[01:44] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: OpenOffice's headed on a different path since Oracle's tending to close up its idea of open-source.
[01:44] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: LibreOffice's the way to go, it's the standard office for Ubuntu 11.04.
[01:45] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Also, the developer community behind Libre is huge, huger than that of composed of Oo (mainly a merger of some, if any).
[01:48] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: thank you.
[01:52] <JackyAlcine> no problem ,johnn77
[01:57] <johnny77> If I was to download a program and I had a choice of Linux x86 (rpm), Linux x86 (deb), Linux x64 (rpm), & Linux x64 (deb). Which should I choose?
[02:01] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: What kind of computer are you running? 64-bit? 32-bit?
[02:02] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: And do you know the differences?
[02:02] <johnny77> i think i'm running 32, but how do I make sure?
[02:07] <JackyAlcine1> If so, open System Mointor to the first tab, it should notate whether it's x86 or x64.
[02:18] <Geocosm> Umm... how would I go about uninstalling a botched .net 3.5 install I used winetricks-alpha to install? Every time I try to download it my internet turns off for some reason. And I ^C'd to stop it and now when I try to download it, it tells me it's already installed.
[02:19] <Geocosm> .deb would probably be easier to install, johnny77.
[02:20] <Geocosm> After you figure out if you're running 32-bit or 64-bit.
[02:22] <Nisorin> Hello, my sister just installed Ubuntu Studio on her laptop, and now Windows 7 will not boot or show up on the bootloader. We had Maverick Meerkat dualbooted on it successfully for a while, just had wifi driver issues (Damn broadcom.) Her Windows partitions (main, media & programs) is accessible from Studio, all the files seem to be there and intact.
[02:22] <Geocosm> !grub2
[02:22] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[02:22] <Geocosm> ...
[02:22] <Geocosm> !grub
[02:22] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[02:23] <Geocosm> Uhg. sorry. Lag.
[02:24] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: Is it running now?
[02:24] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Are you still around?
[02:25] <Nisorin> @Jacky I just booted it up, it's at the bootloader now. Only options are Ubuntu, Ubuntu Recovery Mode, and two memory tests.
[02:25] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: Start Ubuntu.
[02:25] <Nisorin> Starting.
[02:27] <Nisorin> It just came up with a couple errors. MODPROBE Fatal, couldn't find a file. Two copies of the same error message, but Ubuntu Studio booted fine anyway.
[02:27] <JackyAlcine> Alright, can you open a terminal window?
[02:28] <Nisorin> Opened.
[02:28] <JackyAlcine> And is Windows partitioned onto the same harddrive?
[02:28] <Nisorin> Yes. The laptop only has one hard drive.
[02:28] <JackyAlcine> Alright.
[02:28] <JackyAlcine> In the terminal, enter:
[02:28] <JackyAlcine> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[02:29] <JackyAlcine> having /dev/sda being the hard drive of your computer.
[02:29] <Nisorin> It said installation finished, no error reported.
[02:29] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: I'm here, sorry had to step away for a bit
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Run 'file /sbin/init' in a terminal.
[02:31] <JackyAlcine> And Nisorin: now run 'sudo update-grub /dev/sda'
[02:31] <Nisorin> Generating grub.cfg
[02:32] <Nisorin> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic
[02:32] <Nisorin> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic
[02:32] <Nisorin> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[02:33] <Nisorin> Done.
[02:33] <JackyAlcine> Hm. That's odd. It should have found Windows..
[02:33] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: It said 32bit. So I should download the x86 deb?
[02:33] <JackyAlcine> johnny77: Yes, the x64 deb won't work.
[02:34] <johnny77> JackyAlcine: ok, thank you.
[02:35] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: Do you have a Windows recovery CD?
[02:35] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: If anything, I think you should re-install the Windows boot loader and try re-installing GRUB over it and see if that'll fix anything.
[02:36] <Nisorin> Sis: I have the discs to reinstall windows, and the discs to reinstall the drivers.
[02:37] <Nisorin> I'm assuming the reinstallation disc would have a recovery console I could use to reinstall the Windows Bootloader?
[02:41] <Nisorin> Just in case, backing up files from the three Windows partitions before trying anything.
[02:43] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: Yeah, but if I remember properly, you might need to download the applicatio FIXMBR.exe from Microsoft. If any, (because I'm a bit hazy about this), consult the forums.
[02:50] <Nisorin> Fix MBR? Master Boot Record?
[02:55] <JackyAlcine> Yup, Nisorin.
[02:56] <JackyAlcine> Nisorin: Because of my lack of experience, I recommend asking in #ubuntu
[02:56] <Nisorin> Alright, I'll go head over there. Came here first because #ubuntu was always massively busy whenever I tried asking about the wireless driver problem in Meerkat.
[03:45] <zeeku> can someone help me, I'm trying to install ubuntu lucid alternate from a usb. I've created the bootable usb using the multisystem/multiboot program. During the installation I get the message no kernel modules found. I have to use the alternate version due to graphics card/freezing problems I face in normal live cd installation.
[03:45] <ikt>  bugger zeeku :(
[03:45] <zeeku> yeah sux
[03:45] <ikt> which multiboot program?
[03:46] <zeeku> its the one from http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[03:47] <zeeku> I've also tried to just burn the iso onto a cd but my disk drive (using brasero) constantly fails and does not complete the burn
[03:48] <zeeku> so the only option i have is to install from usb
[03:48] <ikt> are you trying to install ubuntu by itself on the pc? or alongside other operating systems?
[03:48] <zeeku> then once i do do that, hopefully reconfigure the graphics/video drivers so 10.04 doesn't randomnly freeze
[03:50] <zeeku> I am currently running ubuntu 9.04 right now. I also have fedora 14 on another partition. But no windows ntfs. only ext3 for this ubuntu and the other that fedora uses
[03:51] <ikt> are you using fedora 14?
[03:51] <ikt> I'm just wondering because there's no reason to use multiboot if you just want ubuntu
[03:51] <zeeku> I tried it, but don't like it
[03:52] <ikt> yeah that's cool
[03:52] <zeeku> The main reason I used multiboot is that I am having problems with my cd driver burning cds
[03:52] <ikt> you can use this program:
[03:52] <ikt> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[03:52] <ikt> to make a usb startup disk with ubuntu 10.10
[03:53] <ikt> I recommend it because it works every time :>
[03:53] <zeeku> will that work inside ubuntu?
[03:53] <zeeku> I've used it inside windows before I think but not ubuntu
[03:53] <zeeku> I don't have access to windows at the moment.
[03:54] <zeeku> Even my wine program doesn't work
[03:54] <zeeku> I don't mind replacing 9.04 with 10.04 but only if 10.04 will work.
[03:56] <ikt> yeah it should work on ubuntu
[03:57] <ikt> grab 10.10
[03:57] <ikt> what video card do you have?
[03:57] <ikt> 10.10 latest and greatest :D
[03:57] <ikt> also what os are you using atm?
[03:58] <zeeku> Yeah it is but I unfortunately kept having those damn random freezes so I had to revert back to 9.04
[03:58] <zeeku> funnily 9.10 had freezes as well
[03:58] <ikt> hrmm
[03:58] <zeeku> my videocard is built into my motherboard.
[03:59] <zeeku> its a SIS one
[03:59] <ikt> ah drats :<
[03:59] <ikt> ahhh drats x2
[03:59] <zeeku> yeah I know its annoying.
[03:59] <zeeku> I even had to revert back to using windows at one stage. Grrrr!
[03:59] <ikt> >.<
[04:00] <zeeku> hahaha
[04:00] <ikt> are you unable to get a cheap 2nd hand video card?
[04:00] <ikt> it would save a lot of trouble
[04:00] <zeeku> I can but not soon enough. A bit if a broke student atm
[04:02] <zeeku> I will probably just buy a new system soon as I have enough loot. This is one is seeing its last days.
[04:02] <zeeku> what video cards are compatible with 10.04/10.10?
[04:06] <zeeku> One more question does Unebootin allow different distributions of ubuntu on the same disk(usb), and in so doing allow you o choose which one you boot?
[04:09] <JackyAlcine> zeeku: You'd have to partition up the USB.
[04:10] <ikt> zeeku, sorry I'm getting distracted, using relately recent nvidia or ati video cards is your best bet, anything made by them in the last 1 - 4 years will work fine :)
[04:11] <zeeku> No problems :).
[04:11] <ikt> and nah zeeku, imho you're best bet is to install ubuntu solo, then muck around with other distros in virtualbox
[04:11] <ikt> I do most of my ubuntu testing in virtualbox
[04:11] <ikt> it's one of the best software I have seen in a long time
[04:11] <zeeku> I see... cool.
[04:12] <zeeku> So what do you reccommend I do with regards to my current 9.04
[04:12] <zeeku> I need to be able to reinstall it just incase 10.04 is unusable.
[04:12] <zeeku> Jacky... thanks for your response:)
[04:12] <ikt> oh true
[04:13] <zeeku> I'm wary of my disk(cd) drive at the moment.
[04:14] <zeeku> It just won't burn live cds without errors so I can't even make a backup live cd
[04:14] <ikt> yeah I know what you mean
[04:15] <zeeku> So ideally I'd like to have a bootable 9.04 version on my usb as well. Unfortunately multisystem/multiboot boots directly when I select the "boot from usb" mode
[04:16] <zeeku> So I don't think Unebootin will work with multisystem installed on the same usb drive
[04:16] <JackyAlcine> Not really.
[04:17] <ikt> yeah I didn't realise you're kinda buggered if 10.10 doesn't work
[04:18] <zeeku> hi jacky, total noob here
[04:18] <zeeku> yeah ikt i'm sort of screwed if 10.10 doesn't work
[04:18] <ikt> yeah good point
[04:18] <zeeku> unless I can access fedora 14
[04:19] <zeeku> the main thing is being able to access the net so I can find some solutions...
[04:20] <zeeku> Jacky... how would I get the system to recognize both Unebootin and Multisystem?
[04:20] <zeeku> At the moment it seems multisystem has the priority
[04:21] <ikt> yeah it will
[04:21] <ikt> i wouldn't worry about unetbootin
[04:21] <ikt> it's designed for single installs afaik
[04:22] <zeeku> I see... but its a possible solution at least.
[04:23] <zeeku> The main problem I'm having with multisystem is that its saying that no kernel modules have been found.
[04:23] <zeeku> When trying to install 10.04
[04:25] <zeeku> I don't know where to access the 10.04 kernel possibly replace the 9.04 kernel with it (if that can be done without problems) and have multisystem point to that kernel.
[04:25] <zeeku> So that when 10.04 searches for kernel modules it finds the correct one to use.
[04:27] <zeeku> I think multisystem uses a different kernel altogether( not sure, noob) and because I've created the iso on the usb, the 10.04 is using the kernel on the multisystem (noob)??
[04:28] <RealEyes> im having some trouble with my ethernet cable on my PC, can anyone help me?
[05:35] <bethdo97> after running the install for ver 10.10 I received an error no lsb modules available what does this mean
[05:35] <bethdo97> I was trying to do the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade commands
[05:39] <bethdo97> after installing ver 10.10 on a brand new hard drive with no OS and rebooting system, I can't get bast thhe tty prompt.  It won't boot to thhe desktop
[05:39] <bethdo97> I also can't get the system to download any of the updates or upgrades
[05:41] <bethdo97> I keep getting message Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 No address associated witth with host name) What does this mean and how do I fix it
[05:41] <ikt> hrmm
[05:45] <RealEyes> anyone know about the ethernet drivers on ubuntu? I'm having a problem getting my machine to recognize the ethernet thats plugged in
[05:46] <ikt> should be loaded by deafult
[05:46] <ikt> majority of network chipsets supported
[05:47] <ikt> are you sure it's not a fault with the ethernet card?
[05:47] <ikt> card/port
[05:47] <hobgoblin> I'd run lspci to make sure it's been recognised first
[05:48] <RealEyes> 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
[05:49] <RealEyes> hobgoblin: What is the next step in figuring out the problem?
[05:50] <hobgoblin> have you tried connecting with the network manager in the panel?
[05:51] <ikt> ifconfig ?
[05:51] <RealEyes> autoeth0 doesnt show up in the top panel
[05:53] <RealEyes> http://pastebin.com/Kwg7YEqi
[05:54] <RealEyes> so... what now? :P
[05:55] <hobgoblin> mmm so it is there then
[05:55] <RealEyes> the port is just blinking green
[05:55] <RealEyes> cat5e is plugged in and the router's ethernet light is off
[05:56] <hobgoblin> so is there anything in network manager?
[05:56] <RealEyes> anything like what?
[05:57] <hobgoblin> eth
[05:57] <RealEyes> Wired Network (Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Controller is listed but it is faded out so you cant click it
[05:57] <RealEyes> eth0 does not show up
[05:58] <RealEyes> im on usb0 wired tethering my phone
[05:58] <hobgoblin> cat /etc/network/interfaces     does that show similar to auto lo iface lo inet loopback
[05:58] <ikt> ohh
[06:01] <ikt> are you dual booting with windows?
[06:01] <ikt> RealEyes, :>
[06:01] <ddecator> hm, anyone know if there is a way to auto authenticate a private ssh key that has a passphrase? i'm using ssh keys for my irc server, but i don't want to have to enter my passphrase each time since i have a script that also ssh's to my server, and the connection needs to be reset occassionally, and i don't want to have to check to see if i need to enter my passphrase again
[06:03] <ddecator> back in the spring i remember i would get a pop-up asking for the passphrase, and after i entered it the key would be authenticated until i logged out. now i just get a prompt in the terminal and it needs it each time a connection is made. not sure if i lost that because i moved from gnome to kde or what
[06:03] <RealEyes> yes
[06:03] <RealEyes> ikt, yes I am, why?
[06:04] <ikt> makes me think you've run across an ancient bug
[06:04] <RealEyes> auto lo
[06:04] <RealEyes> iface lo inet loopback
[06:04] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538448
[06:04] <RealEyes> I may have and I ran across a tut on how to fix the bug but it was for 10.04 and Im on 10.10
[06:05] <RealEyes> so i should try this: Shutdown, power down. Unplug your host (this cuts power to the card if wake-on-lan power is maintained). Wait 15 seconds. Plug in. Boot ubuntu. ??
[06:06] <RealEyes> unplug your host means unplug the router or unplug the pc power cable?
[06:06] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1676546
[06:06] <ikt> oh
[06:06] <ikt> unplug from computer
[06:07] <ikt> how is that bug still here :/
[06:07] <RealEyes> unplug the ether net or unplug the power?
[06:08] <ikt> unplug ethernet
[06:08] <RealEyes> k
[06:12] <RealEyes> alright, i will try that and i will brb
[06:19] <BethDO97> how do I get this to boot to the desktop, I seem to have encountered an error in the installation and despite telling it to auto login during setup after rebooting it only takes me to the tty terminal - Why?
[06:26] <ddecator> figured out my problem (i think). for those curious, i use "ssh-agent bash" then "ssh-add" so that terminal window has my passphrase stored and ready to go, then i just launch my script in that terminal and it works (for now at least, hasn't been running long enough for me to know for sure)
[06:28] <ikt> hey BethDO97
[06:29] <BethDO97> ikt  Hi
[06:29] <ikt> very unlucky to have the issue :(
[06:29] <ikt> if you type startx, does anything happen?
[06:31] <BethDO97> I am attempting to download updates at the tty terminal aand some times the message says Ign ......; Sometimes it comes back withh Failed to fetch...... and soometimes (-5 - No address associated with host name) none of theses things sound good.  Does the Ign indicste that these were downloaded and if they were do I have to do something to apply theem to the system?
[06:32] <ddecator> Ign isn't a big deal. the "Failed to fetch" implies that the server is either down or that you have a PPA enabled which was removed. are you just running "sudo apt-get update" right now?
[06:33] <ikt> tbh it just sounds like it's not connected to the internet
[06:34] <ddecator> yah, that could be it as well if it's not fetching anything
[06:35] <BethDO97> It just got done, but  the number of updates shown is the same as before I ran the apt-get update
[06:35] <BethDO97> What iss a PA?
[06:35] <ikt> ppa?
[06:36] <BethDO97> oops - keyboard burped - Yea PPA
[06:37] <ddecator> Personal Package Archive. it allows you to get updates or applications not available on the Ubuntu servers. since you're asking what they are, i'm assuming you're not using any, so that's not part of the problem :)
[06:37] <ikt> !ppa
[06:37] <ubot2> A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk.
[06:38] <ikt> !ikt
[06:38] <ubot2> Factoid 'ikt' not found
[06:38] <ikt> :<
[06:39] <BethDO97> No I don't think I am
[06:39] <BethDO97> I am still just trying to get this thhing to work'
[06:39] <BethDO97> Installed but can't get it to go to the desktop
[06:39] <ddecator> well now that the update is done, try "startx"
[06:39] <ikt> yep :)
[06:40] <BethDO97> is it just startx or sudo startx
[06:40] <ddecator> just startx
[06:45] <BethDO97> got a fataal error - Inserting i915 (/lib/modulless/2.6.35-25-generic-pae/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko): No such device (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected (EE Screens found but none have usable coonfiguration ; Fatal server error: no screens found
[06:45] <BethDO97> This is what it spit back at me after trying the startx command
[06:45] <ddecator> ...well that's interesting
[06:46] <ikt> hrm
[06:46] <ddecator> it sounds like the graphics driver isn't working, but i'm not sure
[06:46] <ikt> yeah that's right
[06:47] <ikt> what version of ubuntu BethDO97 ?
[06:47] <BethDO97> strange thing is that the gui seemed to work fine thru the install - got all the graphics the documentation showed I should get
[06:47] <BethDO97> 10.10
[06:48] <ddecator> i wonder if something didn't install right or an update related to the kernel didn't install right and broke it
[06:49] <ikt> reading up on it I'd say it was to be expected
[06:49] <ikt> intel graphics drivers have a long history of being... not so good since the move to kms?
[06:50] <BethDO97> That was what I was thinking which was why I thought I would get the updates and upgrades, but nothing seemed to download
[06:50] <ddecator> yah, they do crash due to random things, not sure what the progress has been on fixing that
[06:50] <ikt> is it a laptop?
[06:50] <ddecator> BethDO97: did it actually download anything? is the internet connection working?
[06:51] <BethDO97> yes it is a laptop
[06:52] <BethDO97> I don't think anything downloaded
[06:52] <ddecator> ethernet or wireless?
[06:52] <ikt> what type of laptop is it? like the brand and model
[06:54] <BethDO97> Sony Vaio VGD-FE865E   iT  has a brand nnew 500 gb HD which had nothhing installed on it and was partitioned and formatted during the unbutu set up
[06:55] <ikt> yeah, it's definitely a hardware compatibility issue, just trying to see if anyone has a work around/fix
[06:55] <BethDO97> I used iwconfig and don't think any connection is there
[06:55] <ikt> iwconfig is for wireless
[06:56] <ikt> ifconfig is for ethernet
[06:56] <BethDO97> I know that is how it connects
[06:56] <ddecator> yah, if you're trying to connect to a wireless network using just cli it's a pain, but if ikt finds that an update fixes it we can get your wifi working
[06:56] <BethDO97> and besides ipconfig errored
[06:56] <ikt> ifconfig*
[06:59] <BethDO97> when I checked dhclient commaand I got a bunch of access denied responses
[07:00] <ddecator> dhclient needs sudo if i remember correctly
[07:00] <ikt> ^
[07:01] <BethDO97> yea I know I did do sudo - soorry
[07:02] <BethDO97> When I did ifconfig it shows a HWaddress, inet address, Bcast and MASK
[07:03] <ddecator> i'm trying to find the site i used which gave step-by-step instructions when i was getting my server to access our wifi
[07:05] <BethDO97> i use WPA2-TKIP security on it
[07:05] <BethDO97> +ddecator  Thanks
[07:05] <RealEyes> thanks guys! that worked!
[07:06] <ikt> :D
[07:06] <RealEyes> :D!
[07:09] <BethDO97> I putt in the wireless connection information wheen I did the install and it seemed to be working
[07:09] <BethDO97> Should I try rebooting the system?
[07:10] <ikt> yeah definitely
[07:10] <ikt> sudo shutdown -r now
[07:10] <BethDO97> ok be back in a sec
[07:11] <AJH101> hi - i need some help getting the latest version of chrome to run in virtualbox - is this the right channel?
[07:11] <ikt> AJH101, what do you mean chrome run in virtualbox?
[07:11] <ikt> the chrome os ?
[07:12] <AJH101> yes the latest chrome os
[07:14] <ddecator> BethDO97: this isn't the site i used, but it is pretty close: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[07:15] <ikt> what's the problem AJH101 ?
[07:15] <AJH101> will not start
[07:17] <AJH101> int18 boot failure
[07:20] <RealEyes> <.<
[07:20] <AJH101> aha missed a tick box
[07:22] <ikt> AJH101, which one?
[07:23] <AJH101> cd/dvd drive - but now running v slow
[07:23] <AJH101> 1024 memory allocated
[07:25] <ikt> closest I got was someone saying that error usually indicates a corrupt image
[07:25] <AJH101> seems ok now
[07:25] <ikt> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36591
[07:27] <charliemac> how can I look at which Ubuntu I'm using?  (Specifically, 32-bit or 64-bit)
[07:27] <BethDO97> +ddecator - I tried what the link you sent suggested annd got Gtk Warning **: cannot open display
[07:27] <zkriesse> uname -u in terminal i bleive
[07:27] <zkriesse> believe"
[07:28] <zkriesse> charliemac: open up terminal and type in uname -u that should do it
[07:28] <ddecator> BethDO97: at what point?
[07:29] <charliemac> Where would I find the terminal?
[07:29] <JackyAlcine> charliemac: Press Alt+F2
[07:29] <zkriesse> charliemac: Go to Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[07:30] <zkriesse> charliemac: New to the 'buntu?
[07:30] <charliemac> affirmative
[07:30] <ikt> !terminal
[07:30] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:30] <zkriesse> charliemac: Well welcome!
[07:30] <charliemac> Thanks!
[07:30] <zkriesse> :D
[07:31] <ikt> heya zkriesse
[07:31] <ikt> what time is it there?
[07:31] <zkriesse> Oh all of 1:31 am
[07:31] <zkriesse> ikt: Long time no see man..where the hell have ya been?
[07:32] <zkriesse> !zkriesse
[07:32] <ubot2> Factoid 'zkriesse' not found
[07:32] <zkriesse> Argh...oh that's right...the factiod bot is gone
[07:32] <ikt> when did it go?!
[07:33] <ikt> went into a world of warcraft coma :/
[07:33] <zkriesse> Long time ago
[07:33] <zkriesse> lol
[07:33] <zkriesse> I've been in school (college), trying to find work, playing Urban Terror
[07:34] <ikt> me to :)
[07:34] <ikt> except less urban terror
[07:34] <zkriesse> haha
[07:34] <ikt> what are you looking to get a job as/
[07:34] <zkriesse> PaladinWarriors Server man
[07:35] <zkriesse> It's the best
[07:35] <zkriesse> Oh at this point anything
[07:35] <zkriesse> But preferably a tech job
[07:35] <zkriesse> Why
[07:35] <BethDO97> it asked mee to install wpasupplicant and when I tried it said not found so then the page said to create a new wpasupplicant.conf by doing gksu gedit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[07:35] <BethDO97> thats when I gott the can't open display error
[07:36] <ddecator> BethDO97: oh, right, hard to download and install wpasupplicant without internet. i had to download it on a comp as a deb and put it on a flash drive, then install it that way
[07:36] <zkriesse> charliemac: get that working? Terminal I mean
[07:37] <BethDO97> ok I got a usb drive and another computer to use to download
[07:37] <BethDO97> Where do I down load from and what is a DEB ?
[07:37] <charliemac> zkriesse: Typing "uname -u" in terminal turned out an error message, "uname:  invalid option -- 'u'".
[07:37] <zkriesse> argh
[07:37] <zkriesse> gimme just a sec
[07:38] <charliemac> Thank you so much!
[07:38] <ddecator> BethDO97: .deb is to Ubuntu as .exe is to Windows. let me get you a link real quick
[07:38] <BethDO97> ok
[07:38] <ddecator> BethDO97: you said 10.10, right?
[07:38] <BethDO97> yes
[07:39] <kidsodateless> charliemac: uname -a
[07:40] <BethDO97> +ddecator: how do I access the usb drive on the other computer once I get this stuff downloaded?
[07:40] <ddecator> BethDO97: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/wpasupplicant
[07:40] <ddecator> BethDO97: i'll look that up for you too
[07:41] <ddecator> BethDO97: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Manually%20Mounting
[07:41] <BethDO97> Thanks so much - Been at this 3 days tryingg to get this computer worrking for my son.  Getting alittle annoyed but now it is the principle of the thing I will get ubuntu working on it even if it kills me
[07:42] <charliemac> It said, "Linux ubuntu 2.6.35-25-generic-pae #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 21 19:01:46 UTC 2011 i 686 GNU/Linux...
[07:42] <ddecator> BethDO97: no problem. do you know how to use "cd"?
[07:42] <charliemac> So, is that 32-bit or 64-bit?
[07:42] <yofel> 32-bit
[07:42] <ddecator> charliemac: 686 is 32-bit
[07:42] <zkriesse> 32
[07:42] <ikt> BethDO97, i feel for ya, it's just luck of the draw that the laptop you have has a chipset that doesn't play nice with ubuntu :(
[07:42] <yofel> good morning
[07:42] <ddecator> or i686
[07:42] <ddecator> morning yofel
[07:43] <zkriesse> i386 is the 32 bit and i64x is 64bit
[07:43] <ikt> zkriesse, ah just wondering, I'm pretty much same situation as you, except your a lot younger than me :P
[07:43] <zkriesse> ikt: how old are you?
[07:43] <yofel> actually the kernel will display 64-bit as x86_64
[07:43] <JackyAlcine> ddecator: I normally find the bit-set of my computer by entering 'file /sbin/init' into my terminal.
[07:43] <zkriesse> yeah that's what i meant
[07:43] <zkriesse> I knew there was an x in there somewhere
[07:44] <ikt> 24
[07:44] <zkriesse> Heh...
[07:44] <zkriesse> I'm 20 bro
[07:45] <zkriesse> Well, couple months
[07:45] <ddecator> at this age, 4 years makes a world of difference
[07:45] <yofel> JackyAlcine: right, that would work too
[07:46] <JackyAlcine> :D just helping the helpers. ;D
[07:46]  * yofel notes he's 24 too, feels really old with so much kids around :P
[07:47] <ddecator> JackyAlcine: appreciated :)
[07:47] <charliemac> Ok, cool.  (I had to install over the network using the 'clear as mud' Grub instal method here: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html and here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows )
[07:48] <charliemac> Is it better to use
[07:49] <zkriesse> Well depends
[07:49] <charliemac> lol, sorry, "proprietary drivers" or
[07:50] <charliemac> whatever the alternative is called? ;P
[07:50] <yofel> open source drivers ;)
[07:50] <charliemac> Are there times that the
[07:51] <yofel> I can't talk about ATI, but the proprietary nvidia drivers work fine here, but if you don't need 3D/opengl support nouveau is a bit faster
[07:51] <charliemac> additional drivers menu only lists proprietary drivers?
[07:51] <yofel> it does, since the open source drivers are installed and used by default
[07:52] <ddecator> the only disadvantage to the nvidia proprietary drivers is that plymouth looks awful
[07:52] <yofel> natty will handle that better, at least the color depth
[07:52] <ddecator> good
[07:53] <yofel> (if colin doesn't revert the change again, but it seems stable enough this time)
[07:53] <ddecator> i would almost rather have a black screen than the eyesore it is right now, haha
[07:53] <charliemac> lol!
[07:53] <yofel> yeah, the text splash is really ugly
[07:54] <yofel> if you know how, setting the framebuffer resolution by hand isn't really hard though
[07:59] <charliemac> I just went onto rhapsody.com to play a song and it prompted me to adobe/flash download, but there are several different options, surprise
[07:59] <ddecator> charliemac: you can install flash from the official repos
[08:00] <ddecator> what's the package...flashplugin-installer?
[08:00] <charliemac> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[08:00] <zkriesse> just go to software center
[08:00] <zkriesse> Applications -> Software Center -> Search Bar/Flash -> Adobe Flash download
[08:01] <ddecator> or that
[08:01] <charliemac> I'm afraid that if i install flash thru software ctr, it might not be picked up thru firefox later, wrong?
[08:01] <zkriesse> It'll be fine
[08:01] <ddecator> firefox will see it
[08:01] <zkriesse> If not we can always hop on it the other way too
[08:01] <charliemac> Is software ctr the same as the official repos?
[08:01] <charliemac> Cool
[08:02] <zkriesse> Pretty much
[08:02] <zkriesse> Whatever repo's you have selected to be used it'll pull crap from em
[08:03] <zkriesse> Or you can do the lovely search and hunt in the Synaptic Package Manager but I'd not recommend that if you're new to this stuff
[08:03] <zkriesse> Can be quite confusing...heck I still find it to be bonfoogleing
[08:03] <ddecator> yah, it'll just show the "relevant" stuff, such as actual applications, and not the random packages most people don't need to worry about
[08:03] <ddecator> i love synaptic :)
[08:03] <zkriesse> lol I know you do Dray
[08:03] <charliemac> Not sure what repos are.  Hey, I made it through Grub network installation, didn't I?! ;)
[08:03] <zkriesse> ddecator: Hey, I forget, you like wiki do you not?
[08:04] <ddecator> zkriesse: used to do some work on it, but no time right now for it
[08:04] <zkriesse> damn
[08:04] <zkriesse> Was gonna tell ya, I'm reviving WIki FG for BT
[08:04] <zkriesse> Meeting this saturday (Today) at 19:00 UTC
[08:04] <zkriesse> in #ubuntu-meeting
[08:04] <ddecator> charliemac: a repo (repository) is just a collection of packages that are maintained by a group. the official repos are maintained by ubuntu devs who make sure they are all compatible
[08:05] <charliemac> What makes booting slow (before I can log in), loading the display manager, or loading the desktop environment?
[08:05] <ddecator> zkriesse: yah, i'm only slightly involved compared to everything i used to do. just helping BT here and there and going to try doing the whole master/mentor thing for BT and BugSquad combo
[08:05] <zkriesse> Nice
[08:06] <charliemac> ddecator: thank you very much!
[08:06] <zkriesse> Well if ya need testimonials for it I'll set one on your page for ya
[08:06] <yofel> charliemac: before you log in it has to be the system/display manager
[08:06] <yofel> you can use bootchart to find out what makes it slow
[08:06] <ddecator> zkriesse: i think you already have one on there from when i was going to be up for ubuntu membership, which never did happen, haha
[08:06] <zkriesse> damn
[08:06] <zkriesse> Why not?
[08:07] <charliemac> I was thinking of lubuntu because my laptop's at least 5 years old.
[08:07] <charliemac> Where is bootchart located?
[08:07] <zkriesse> charliemac: phillw will love you forever if you converrt to Lubuntu
[08:07] <zkriesse> That's his baby
[08:07] <yofel> I have kubuntu on a 10y old PC, so that system should be fast enough for ubuntu
[08:07] <yofel> charliemac: you need to install it
[08:08] <BethDO97> +ddecator: I tried something - booted from the CD into live and the desktop comes right up, yet when I boot from the  harddrive it still dumps into the terminal
[08:08] <zkriesse> yofel: WTF...not even gonnna say hi to me?!?!?!
[08:08]  * zkriesse pokes yofel 
[08:08] <yofel> zkriesse: I didn't? sooory :S
[08:08] <zkriesse> :D
[08:08] <yofel> zkriesse: HI
[08:08] <zkriesse> Lol it's cool..how ya been my man
[08:09] <yofel> getting headaches from Project Neon - other than that, fine
[08:09] <zkriesse> huh
[08:09] <zkriesse> I know the feeling
[08:09] <zkriesse> (Headaches)
[08:09] <charliemac> I really couldn't figure out how to do a network installation of Lubuntu, so I had to go with the the Natty Narwhal (11.04)
[08:09] <BethDO97> now to figure out why it will boot to live mode but not from the hard drive
[08:09] <ddecator> zkriesse: well, i showed up to the meeting but there weren't enough people to vote, and the following week was when i stopped getting on because i was too busy, so i never attended another hearing
[08:09] <BethDO97> did get a low graphics warning
[08:10] <zkriesse> charliemac: join #lubuntu
[08:10] <yofel> charliemac: as long as you know that natty isn't released yet and may or may not break at any time, ok... (I'm on natty too)
[08:10] <ddecator> BethDO97: so it has never worked? you could try re-installing to see if maybe something just didn't install right. not sure if you want to go through that or not
[08:10] <charliemac> Any suggestions for a DM quicker than GDM?
[08:10] <zkriesse> MAVERICK
[08:10] <yofel> charliemac: iirc there is LXDM, but I never tried it
[08:11] <charliemac> yofel: lol nice to know re natty
[08:11] <BethDO97> My son is taking a class in linus programmingg and I am trying to get this laptop setup so he can use it for hiss class thiss symester
[08:11] <ddecator> BethDO97: very nice of you :)
[08:11] <yofel> charliemac: general natty support is in #ubuntu+1 btw. so feel free to join us there
[08:12] <BethDO97> I have loaded and reloaded this program multiple tiime with absolutely no success
[08:13] <ddecator> BethDO97: i'm sorry to hear that. unfortunately kernel/graphics issues are not something i'm good with, but hopefully someone else will have more ideas on what you can do to get it working
[08:14] <charliemac> joined #lubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[08:17] <charliemac> What does it mean to right click>unmount something on my desktop?
[08:17] <BethDO97> +ddecator: What is a keyring? When I aaccessed the internet connection setup for my wireless connection, I put in the network password and then the keyring password request window popped up
[08:18] <ddecator> charliemac: if it's a usb drive, it disconnects from it so you can remove it
[08:18] <ddecator> BethDO97: the keyring keeps track of certain passwords on your system all in one place, such as network passwords
[08:19] <charliemac> It's the first primary partition, which still holds windows xp, my reserve parachute ;D
[08:19] <charliemac> ddecator: ^^
[08:20] <ddecator> having the hdd mounted allows you to access the files and transfer things back and forth. unmounting will close that connection and you'll just see the hdd so you can mount it again when you need it
[08:20] <ddecator> or rather the hdd partition
[08:22] <ddecator> BethDO97: by the way, you don't need the + symbol when you say my name, it just means that i have "voice" since i'm a member of the team. it's also easier to use tab-complete for nicks. for example, type dd<tab> and it will auto-complete my nick :)
[08:23] <BethDO97> ddecator: cool figured theere was a way to make thhis a little easier
[08:24] <ddecator> alright, i need to get some sleep. good night everyone
[08:25] <BethDO97> ddecator: is there a way to download the updates and other things I need for my hard drive insttall while I am in the live desktop?
[08:25] <yofel> gn ddecator
[08:26] <ddecator> BethDO97: hm, there is a way..
[08:26] <BethDO97> ddecator:  figured I might be able to take advantage of the internet connection and fix the hard drive install whhile I was in the live version
[08:27] <ddecator> BethDO97: look under "update failure" http://iamubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/03/recovering-from-booting-problems-using.html
[08:27] <ddecator> follow those steps and it should update/upgrade the packages for the installed system
[08:28] <BethDO97> ddecator:  thanks again and gn
[08:28] <ddecator> BethDO97: no problem, that's what we're here for :)
[08:29] <charliemac> Is there a better IRC client than webchat.freenode.net, which I have been using?
[08:31] <JackyAlcine> charliemac: There's Pidgin, XChat, KIRC, Ircissi.
[08:31] <JackyAlcine> I'm using Pidgin. :D
[08:31] <yofel> add irssi, quassel, konversation
[08:31] <yofel> for gnome i would recommend xchat
[08:33] <charliemac> I might want something lighter than gnome lol
[08:34] <yofel> for any gtk+ based desktop env
[08:34] <charliemac> !gtk+
[08:34] <ubot2> Factoid 'gtk+' not found
[08:34] <charliemac> eh...
[08:35] <yofel> !gtk
[08:35] <ubot2> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[08:36] <charliemac> yofel: ok, thanks.  lol, i was just on wikipedia :)
[08:36] <yofel> that's just my recommendation, I use quassel, irssi would be command line
[08:43] <charliemac> yofel: can empathy access these IRC rooms?
[08:43] <charliemac> (it came pre-installed)
[08:44] <BethDO97> after going to the terminal tthru the dessktop how do you get baack to the desktopp?
[08:45] <yofel> well it can (somehow), but it's not really good at it
[08:46] <charliemac> xchat isn't showing up in the software ctr
[08:50] <yofel> it should..
[09:43] <charliemac> Where can I enter "/msg nickserv register <password> <email> "?
[09:44] <AbhiJit> charliemac, in the  server tab
[09:44] <AbhiJit> dont do that operation in any channel tab
[09:44] <AbhiJit> and no spces before '/' (slash)
[09:45] <charliemac> is the server tab where it says "Status"
[09:45] <charliemac> ?
[09:45] <charliemac> AbhiJit: ^^
[09:45] <AbhiJit> charliemac, which irc client you are using?
[09:46] <charliemac> webchat.freenode.net
[09:46] <AbhiJit> server tab is anything other than all channels tab. channel tabs are with name e.g. #ubuntu-offtopic  or #ubuntu etc the server tab willbe without that #
[09:46] <AbhiJit> webchat
[09:46] <charliemac> ok
[09:46] <AbhiJit> charliemac, look for the very first tab i think its that
[09:47] <charliemac> Gotcha, thanks.
[09:47] <AbhiJit> charliemac, practically you can do that operation here too in this very text box where you are chatting with me but sometimes new comers types space before / and they revel password
[09:47] <AbhiJit> thats why its safe to do it in server tab
[09:47] <charliemac> ok, that makes sense.  Better safe than sorry
[09:49] <MrChrisDruif> AbhiJit: doesn't /msg go JUST to the nickserv? ;)
[09:49] <AbhiJit> ??
[09:49] <AbhiJit> MrChrisDruif, read my explanation above
[09:49] <AbhiJit> i have lots of 'smart' friend who love to type space before that / and so they reveal their password
[09:53] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...sorry, I'm having breakfast atm so didn't read that about the space....typing with one hand....slow and focus is needed
[09:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> wb leoquant
[11:14] <charliemac> How can I run a windows exe file?
[11:15] <AbhiJit> !wine
[11:15] <ubot2> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu
[11:16] <AbhiJit> !vm | charliemac
[11:16] <ubot2> charliemac: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[11:23] <gunndawg> Hey I just downloaded a Compiz theme with the file formate .emerald, how do I install/activate it ?
[11:25] <charliemac> AbhiJit: thanks.  I just had to do a force quit on the wine configuration app
[11:25] <ikt> gunndawg, wow a .emerald file
[11:25] <ikt> that takes me back
[11:26] <gunndawg> ikt, sorry I am downloading these compiz themes off gnome-look.org
[11:27] <gunndawg> says to select it in fusion icon
[11:27] <ikt> that's ok, it's been a long time since I've mucked around with themes
[11:27] <ikt> probably around the time they merged emerald and fusion?
[11:28] <ikt> ompiz Fusion is the result of a merge between the well-known Beryl composite window manager and Compiz Extras
[11:28] <ikt> beryl!
[11:28] <gunndawg> im not sure, I just want some compiz themes to spice up my theme :)
[11:28] <MrChrisDruif> Beryl? :P
[11:28] <MrChrisDruif> Long time I've heard from that :D
[11:29] <gunndawg> if you go to gnome-look.org and click compiz you'll see them
[11:29] <gunndawg> most the downloads are .emerald format and I've no clue how to use thlem
[11:29] <ikt> yea
[11:29] <ikt> download
[11:29] <ikt> sudo apt-get install emerald
[11:30] <gunndawg> ok got that
[11:30] <ikt> there should be an option somewhere now :S
[11:30] <ikt> maybe under system preferences
[11:31] <ikt> system > preferences > emerald theme manager
[11:31] <gunndawg> ikt ok found that
[11:33] <gunndawg> loaded the them into emerald
[11:33] <gunndawg> but not sure how to activate it, lol
[11:34] <gunndawg> ah there we go
[11:34] <gunndawg> got it :)
[11:34] <ikt> how did?
[11:34] <ikt> i'm stuck on the same thing
[11:34] <gunndawg> load it in
[11:34] <gunndawg> then open up compiz fusion icon
[11:34] <gunndawg> then right click fusion icon and under window decorator select emerald
[11:35] <ikt> compiz fusion icon?
[11:36] <gunndawg> yep
[11:37] <ikt> oh nice
[11:37] <gunndawg> indeed
[11:37] <gunndawg> adds some flavor to my windows :)
[11:37] <ikt> golly
[11:38] <gunndawg> lol
[11:41] <head_victim> I think I"ve busted something. Whenever opening a PDF in any web browser I get the error " error opening file no such file or directory" for both chromium and firefox. Any ideas where to start (purging and restalling doesn't help)
[11:42] <ikt> it's a sign :D
[11:42] <ikt> pdf's are evil :P
[11:42] <head_victim> Yeah I know :/
[11:42] <head_victim> I can download them and open them fine
[11:42] <head_victim> So I must have redirected something somewhere unintentionally
[11:47] <ikt> able to check mime types?
[11:48] <ikt> heh pdf doesn't show up in firefox mime types for me
[11:53] <head_victim> ?
[11:58] <ikt> edit > preferences > applications
[11:58] <ikt> is pdf listed for you?
[12:00] <head_victim> Yeah it's "always ask"
[12:02] <ikt> mine doesn't even get listed :/
[12:06] <head_victim> Hah I poked hard enough that I crashed firefox and now it's restarted it's working :/
[12:24] <charliemac> Anyone know how to activate laptop speakers?
[12:33] <madsailor> <- only has non technical answer for charliemac - since theres noone else answering.  : There should be a speaker icon in thpanel at the top of the ubuntu desktop on the right side that controls audio settings
[12:34] <charliemac> madsailor: Thank you, but unfortunately this problem appears to run a little deeper :/
[12:36] <madsailor> charliemac, you can try #ubuntu ..maybe someone can help there
[12:36] <charliemac> madsailor: good idea, thanks
[12:36] <MrChrisDruif> My speakers work by default...
[12:37] <MrChrisDruif> Is the right output selected?
[12:37] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: ^
[12:37] <charliemac> I'm not entirely sure.
[12:39] <MrChrisDruif> With sound preferences you can see all the output Ubuntu has detected....only really exotic hardware won't be recognized afaik
[12:40] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: I'll check
[12:41] <vangelis> need help with google earth..
[12:41] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: only one output is selected, but that's because only one is availible.
[12:42] <charliemac> *available ;)
[12:42] <MrChrisDruif> charliemac: The output isn't muted? O:-)
[12:42] <charliemac> MrChrisDruif: lol, negative :)
[12:43] <MrChrisDruif> Could have been by accident :)
[12:43] <charliemac> very true
[12:47] <philinux> vangelis: Do you mean installing it.
[12:48] <vangelis> well i have installed it but it won't run. so basically yeah
[12:48] <philinux> vangelis: how did you install it?
[12:49] <vangelis> i went to google site via an ubuntu forum and i downloaded a package which i opened with ubuntu software center
[12:56] <gunndawg> Where is the themes folder at ?
[12:58] <philinux> vangelis: Did you get it here. http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html
[12:58] <vangelis> yap
[12:59] <philinux> ok run it from the terminal and see if any errors reported. Have you enabled a graphics driver
[12:59] <madsailor> gunndawg, ~/.themes , aka /home/yourusername/.themes
[13:00] <vangelis> ok i'll try the terminal. i think it's enabled
[13:00] <gunndawg> madsailor its not there
[13:00] <gunndawg> madsailor I need to reinstall a theme but when I try to drag it over to the apperance window it says it cant copy a directory over a directory, so I need to delete it and re add it
[13:01] <philinux> vangelis: did you install lsb-core as it says here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth#Google%20Earth%20download%20of%20.deb%20files
[13:02] <philinux> vangelis: you can check with this. apt-cache policy lsb-core
[13:02] <madsailor> that's where ubuntu installs it...unless you have since moved it, or have no themes in which case you would create it here and put your themes in it
[13:03] <vangelis> philinux:i didnt install lsb-core.give me a second
[13:03] <gunndawg> madsailor I have installed themes by dragging the theme files into the apperance window
[13:04] <vangelis> philinux: ok, it's working now. thank you very much!
[13:05] <charliemac> Is there an irc client where i can define a server to connect to at startup, to identify me at startup and to automatically join a lit of channels at startup?
[13:06] <yofel> most clients can do that, for identify set the nickserv password as the server password
[13:06] <yofel> and I know that at least xchat, quassel and konversations have an auto-join list (I tried them)
[13:06] <yofel> *konversation
[13:07] <gunndawg> bah, this is so frusterating
[13:09] <madsailor> gunndawg, is this a standard theme (I saw you speaking earlier about emerald)
[13:10] <gunndawg> well its an emerald them with a standard theme to accompany it
[13:10] <gunndawg> I got the emerald part working
[13:10] <gunndawg> want me to show you what one ?
[13:10] <gunndawg> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MatrixUbuntu?content=97423
[13:12] <gunndawg> I cant get the top and bottom bars to work, so the text for applications, places, and system are green
[13:12] <madsailor> did you follow the instructions on the page to insall the cube plugin to compiz
[13:12] <gunndawg> no I didnt install the cube because I didnt care for the cube part
[13:12] <gunndawg> just the colors and 2d layout part
[13:13] <gunndawg> in the Apperance preferences it doesnt even show up, for the GDK theme
[13:13] <gunndawg> it just says custom
[13:13] <gunndawg> the icons are not working either
[13:13] <gunndawg> nothing changed
[13:14] <madsailor> gunn..just a min
[13:15] <gunndawg> ok
[13:16] <madsailor> gunn...you downloaded from 2shared since the link is broken?
[13:18] <gunndawg> yeah
[13:20] <madsailor> gunndawg, this linked to a windows binary, you could not have gotten it from here
[13:21] <gunndawg> I did because its installed
[13:21] <gunndawg> the emerald part is working
[13:21] <gunndawg> im not sure what you downloaded
[13:21] <gunndawg> but the GDK theme part isnt
[13:23] <madsailor> Without knowing the files/sources it's impossible to trace your footsteps and duplicate or solve the problem
[13:23] <madsailor> You must have gotten it from some other link
[13:23] <madsailor> as I said that link is a windows binary (and prob a virus)
[13:23] <charliemac> yofel: ok, i'll switch from pidgin to xchat and try it
[13:24] <gunndawg> madsailor, let me look again
[13:25] <gunndawg> madsailor, http://www.2shared.com/file/12520194/f7af4476/MATRIX_THEME_PACKtar.html
[13:25] <gunndawg> very bottom of page it says Save file to your pc: DOWNLOAD
[13:25] <gunndawg> click download
[13:30] <madsailor> gunndawg, got it....may be a min...working on it
[13:31] <gunndawg> ok thx
[13:32] <gunndawg> when you are ready I can show you a screenshot to show you how far I have gotten, so you can see what I need to fix. I would appreciate it as I really want this theme fully working :)
[13:34] <madsailor> ok gunndawg...what worked for me: 1)extract the tar on your desktop (or other handy location 2)go to your emerald theme manager under system->preferences 3)click on the import button on the top right , navigate to the file yamet-mod.emerald in the folder you extracted and there you go.)
[13:36] <gunndawg> yeah
[13:36] <gunndawg> but then what about the GDK theme and icons you also have to install
[13:36] <Ten-Eight> hi folks...been watching the convo on the matrix theme.
[13:36] <gunndawg> I got the emerald part working
[13:37] <Ten-Eight> question for you, do you HAVE to have Emerald for it to work and is the cube necessary?
[13:37] <gunndawg> Ten-Eight I am not sure
[13:37] <gunndawg> still trying to get it all working
[13:38] <Ten-Eight> I may try it out and see.
[13:38] <gunndawg> madsailor would you like a screenshot of what I have so you can compare it to the screenshot on the authors page to see the diff and what I am talking about ?
[13:38] <Ten-Eight> I'm using 10.04LTS here without Emerald.
[13:39] <gunndawg> http://tinypic.com/r/2gv06r9/7
[13:40] <madsailor> gunndawg, in the folder extracted to the desktop is a readme and further tar files.  You need to follow the readme and extract the contents of those tars....that is where the icons and the rest of the theme lives
[13:40] <gunndawg> madsailor, I did that, I dragged them into the themes window
[13:41] <gunndawg> but no matrix theme shows up on my themes panel
[13:42] <gunndawg> madsailor I just tried to drag it into themes again and it says "Installation for theme "HLMatrix" failed. Can't move directory over directory
[13:43] <gunndawg> which means its already there (because I already did it) but its not showing up in the list
[13:43] <madsailor> okay so  you took file nostromo-1.0.3.tar.gz and drag-drop to appearance window?
[13:43] <gunndawg> yes
[13:43] <gunndawg> as well as HLMatrix.tar.gz
[13:43] <gunndawg> the only new theme it made was called "custom" which is what I have now displayed in the screenshot I sent you
[13:44] <gunndawg> I wish I could somehow remove it so that I can drag it over again and maybe it'll show up
[13:44] <gunndawg> but I cant drag it over again
[13:47] <madsailor> gunn, I think the files are already there....click customize in the appearance window, click the icons tab.  there should be an icon set named nostromo...this is the one you want
[13:48] <madsailor> then the same with window border
[13:48] <gunndawg> ok I got the icons works
[13:48] <gunndawg> working*
[13:49] <gunndawg> wonder why I cant get HLMatrix.tar.gz to work right
[13:49] <gunndawg> so the top bar is black and gradiant like in the picture on the matrix theme page
[13:50] <madsailor> Ten-Eight, sorry for ignoring youfor the window border you need emerald as its an emerald theme.  For the rest (icons windows, wallpaper) you do not)
[13:51] <gunndawg> madsailor I deleted HLMatrix.tar.gz from .themes and re added it by dragging it into the themes page and it says that it installed fine
[13:51] <gunndawg> but it doesnt show up in the themes list
[13:52] <Ten-Eight> no prob....just reading a bit on it. got the file. may try it later this morning.
[13:53] <Ten-Eight> love the Matrix movies...looks like a nice theme...best one I've seen.
[13:54] <gunndawg> good luck getting it to work
[13:54] <gunndawg> i've got it about 75% working, but the last 25% is what makes it come together, otherwise it doesnt look right
[13:54] <Ten-Eight> what ver of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:55] <gunndawg> 10.10
[13:55] <Ten-Eight> okay.
[13:55] <Ten-Eight> haven't used 10.10 yet.
[13:55] <gunndawg> I would be thrilled with it if I could get this working, would look so awesome
[13:56] <Ten-Eight> I like the LTS versions and try to stay with them. I'm on 10.04 right now on this laptop and on the main system at home, 8.04.
[13:56] <gunndawg> I am using 10.10 on this laptop
[13:56] <madsailor> gunndawg, you have to add each aspect seperately under the customize button.  The one you are missing is the controls tab under customize....scroll down to hlmatrix
[13:57] <gunndawg> let me see madsailor
[13:57] <madsailor> my everything is now matrixified as I write this
[13:57] <Ten-Eight> yeah, I want to see too.
[13:57] <gunndawg> omg madsailor
[13:57] <gunndawg> you are a godsend
[13:57] <gunndawg> so is mine now :)
[13:58] <gunndawg> madsilor, wow, I love you
[13:58] <gunndawg> lol
[13:58] <madsailor> haha...just glad we got that sorted
[13:58] <gunndawg> me too, this is soo cool looking
[13:58] <madsailor> now....for me to unmatrixify
[13:58] <gunndawg> you can't deny it ;)
[13:59] <Ten-Eight> alright...can't wait any longer..gotta try it.
[13:59] <madsailor> (it is cool...in a commodore 64 kind of funky retro way)
[13:59] <gunndawg> indeed
[13:59] <Ten-Eight> heh
[13:59] <gunndawg> thanks for putting up with my inpatient self madsailor
[13:59] <gunndawg> you really have made my day
[14:01] <gunndawg> I wonder what those screenlets are, did you install those also? wonder if those matrixfy it even more
[14:02] <madsailor> made my day to sucessfully help.  Didn't try the screenlets...back to my osx/aero/blue based grungy theme
[14:03] <gunndawg> lol madsailor, share a screenshot :)
[14:04] <gunndawg> the screenlets include a binary clock, lol
[14:04] <gunndawg> and a few others, checkin them out
[14:04] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[14:08] <gunndawg> eeek, even webpage text boxes are black with green text, not sure I like that, could ruin the apperance of a site
[14:08] <gunndawg> wonder if I can change that
[14:11] <madsailor> gunndawg, : my desktop...I love the translucent win7- mac osx-esque windows, and the wallpaper makes it http://i56.tinypic.com/29mkfm1.png
[14:12] <madsailor> whoops...still got your icons on there
[14:12] <charliemac> yofel, ok; i like xchat better than pidgin now. thanks.
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> madsailor: What font did you use?
[14:12] <gunndawg> ah nice
[14:12] <gunndawg> lol
[14:12] <gunndawg> I like the font of ur icons though
[14:13] <Ten-Eight> nice screenshot madsailor
[14:14] <Ten-Eight> I got it all working except the window decorations. still showing the old one.
[14:14] <madsailor> font is : steve hand ...it's in the ubuntu repo
[14:14] <Ten-Eight> very cool...except for that.
[14:15] <madsailor> ten eight..the window decorations is what you need emerald for...you can also download that from the ubuntu repo (if you want)
[14:15] <Ten-Eight> so not everything is in the tar then.
[14:16] <gunndawg> madsailor steve hand isnt showing up anything in the package manager
[14:16] <madsailor> it is....but the  yamet-mod.emerald is the window decorations...for which you need emerald
[14:16] <Ten-Eight> I have it and have the mod installed.
[14:17] <Ten-Eight> there doesn't appear to be a way to apply it...unless I'm missing it somewhere.
[14:18] <madsailor> look up throught this convo....system, preferences emerald theme manager once emerald is installed from the ubuntu repo
[14:19] <Ten-Eight> yep..been there.
[14:20] <madsailor> all's well Ten-Eight?
[14:20] <gunndawg> madsailor can I get you to take another look at the matrix theme readme ?
[14:20] <gunndawg> I have a question on one more thing
[14:20] <Ten-Eight> how is the window border listed?
[14:21] <Ten-Eight> seems that emerald is not applying it's theme.
[14:21] <madsailor> gunndawg...it's in one of the font packages.  Type font in the ubuntu software center and it's one of those packages...don't remember which one
[14:22] <gunndawg> madsailor can you open up that readme for the matrix theme once more ?
[14:23] <madsailor> Ten-Eight,  this theme is in 2 parts the window decoration which is emerald (the part of my screenshot that is mac-esque ) and the rest of it
[14:23] <madsailor> Ten-Eight, you have the emerald part squared?
[14:24] <madsailor> gunndawg, ..opening...what do you want to know?
[14:24] <gunndawg> scroll down to the ~CMATRIX MATRIX PROGRAM part
[14:24] <gunndawg> how do I set that up ?
[14:25] <gunndawg> ./configure (first step of that instruction) gives an error in terminal
[14:25] <Ten-Eight> I have emerald installed and the mod imported just fine. everything looks great except the window frame/titlebar stuff. still showing the previous theme (shiki-colors dust).
[14:25] <Ten-Eight> do I need to get compix fusion manager to get that working?
[14:26] <madsailor> gunndawg, that's the cube plugin for compiz that you didnt want to install....to install follow directions on the download site or in the readme link
[14:26] <gunndawg> madsailor alright
[14:28] <madsailor> ten-eight - right click desktop ->change background_>theme tab_>customize button_>controls-> scroll to HLmatrix
[14:28] <gunndawg> madsailor do you think its possible to change the text box color on webpages to normal and keep the matrix theme the same, sorta ruins websites with black/green text boxes, lol
[14:28] <Ten-Eight> got it
[14:29] <Ten-Eight> on the window border, which one do you pick? I don't see one for the matrix theme in the list.
[14:29] <madsailor> gunndawg, with linux (nearly) anything is possible....do I know how to do it....sadly, no
[14:30] <gunndawg> lol ok madsailor, thx anyways
[14:31] <madsailor> should be hl matrix.  if it's not there you need to drag-drop the hlmatrix.tar.gz into the appearances window then follow last instructions
[14:31] <madsailor> @ten-eight
[14:32] <gunndawg> Ten-Eight there was no matrix option for window-border
[14:32] <gunndawg> just controls
[14:32] <gunndawg> and icons
[14:33] <madsailor> <--feels like he is turning the world into neo
[14:33] <gunndawg> haha
[14:33] <gunndawg> I came up with the idea of matrix, you are just telling us how to set it up and jack into it
[14:33] <Ten-Eight> have controls selected as HLMatrix
[14:34] <gunndawg> Ten-Eight then thats it
[14:34] <gunndawg> as long as emearld theme is matrix and controls are matrix then make sure icons are, and your done
[14:34] <Ten-Eight> already had that part done though and it didn't change the window titlebar. Icons are correct. Everything looks good...just need the windows to match.
[14:34] <Ten-Eight> maybe I need to log out and back in
[14:35] <gunndawg> what window
[14:35] <gunndawg> what do you mean
[14:35] <gunndawg> upload a screenshot ?
[14:35] <Ten-Eight> okay...just a sec.
[14:35] <madsailor> ten-eight.....exactly try a restart of your window manager
[14:35] <Ten-Eight> alrighty...hang on.
[14:36] <gunndawg> wonder if I am missing something also then
[14:36] <gunndawg> seems fine to me
[14:36] <gunndawg> I am not sure what he is missing
[14:45] <Ten-Eight> okay guys...logged out and back in, still have the old window title bars and no glow around the windows.
[14:45] <Ten-Eight> screenshot here: http://www.oppalumni.net/Screenshot.png
[14:46] <Ten-Eight> icons work, wallpaper, font color all working. just not getting the windows to match.
[14:46] <madsailor> ten-eight you're missing the emerald part
[14:46] <Ten-Eight> i installed it and it's there...how to I turn it on?
[14:47] <madsailor> you imported in emerald already?
[14:47] <Ten-Eight> the yahmet mod is imported.
[14:47] <Ten-Eight> don't see where to activate it though.
[14:47] <madsailor> should be an unmissable pic/text choice in emerald once imported
[14:47] <Ten-Eight> yeah...it's there.
[14:48] <madsailor> just click on it, it will highlight in the list and apply the effects
[14:48] <Ten-Eight> that's what I'm missing. it's not applying the effects.
[14:49] <Ten-Eight> I do not have the Compiz manager installed...just the default install from 10.04 on a Dell Inspiron 1525 with intel graphics.
[14:50] <Ten-Eight> maybe the mod won't work for 10.04?
[14:50] <Ten-Eight> is there a way to restart the window manager without logging out?
[14:53] <Ten-Eight> aaahh...it did not install the HLMatrix window borders
[14:54] <Ten-Eight> I changed to my Azenis theme and looked in the customize>window border tab.
[14:54] <Ten-Eight> no selection for HLMatrix.
[14:55] <madsailor> aha...ten eight...might have found your issue.  If you install the compiz fusion icon from the ubuntu repo there is a setting to change your window decorator from GDK to emerald
[14:56] <madsailor> gdk is still decorating your windows
[14:56] <Ten-Eight> okay...that's what I'm missing.
[14:56] <Ten-Eight> gimme a sec
[14:56] <bethdo97> When I rebooted the computer I am trying to get ubuntu installed on this morning rather than the wireless connection I had working last night to install updates, the network notifier in the top right corner of the  desktop shows a red exclamatino point and I ccan't figure out how to get it activated again.  The network card in the laptop is active
[14:57] <bethdo97> How do I get the wireless network to be found again and connect it
[14:57] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: getting it
[14:57] <madsailor> Ten-Eight, np...not going anywhere
[14:59] <bethdo97> 2nd question - I need to changge the partiitioning of the hard ddrive on the computer.  When I initially installed ubuntu on a brand new internal hard drive, the only way we could get it to load right was too make only one partition.  I need to split the hard drive intoo 2 separatee spaces one for ubuntu and one for Windows 7.  My son wants to have both systems installed on this system
[15:00] <gunndawg> vimok folks, need to get some shut eye, thank you so much madsailor, huge help!
[15:00] <gunndawg> ok* not vimok
[15:00] <madsailor> np gunndawg...enjoy the new look
[15:01] <gunndawg> lovin the new look ;) even added a desktop terminal
[15:01] <gunndawg> so I can use terminal pinned to my desktop translucent and everything
[15:01] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: hehehehe...that was it my friend.
[15:01] <Ten-Eight> all is matrixed now
[15:02] <Ten-Eight> that is just cool as hell!
[15:02] <Ten-Eight> never played with Emerald before.
[15:02] <gunndawg> I know huh ten-eight :)
[15:02] <Ten-Eight> :D
[15:02] <gunndawg> feels awesome
[15:02] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: thanks for the pointers my friend :)
[15:02] <gunndawg> now download the terminal screenlet and you'll really be matrixed out
[15:02] <Ten-Eight> gunndawg: sure does!
[15:03] <madsailor> bethdo97, q1)not my specialty, but if you have right clicked on the ! and both networking ans wireless are enabled, and you cant find an answer here, try #ubuntu q2)win 7 should be installed 1st, then ubuntu because win7 doesn't do well otherwise...there is a guide on the ubuntu pages...one sec and I'll find it for you
[15:03] <Ten-Eight> heheheheh
[15:04] <Ten-Eight> gunndawg: did you get the screenlets?
[15:04] <madsailor> excellent Ten-Eight
[15:04] <gunndawg> ten-eight the binary clock ?
[15:04] <bethdo97> we installed ubuntu 1st because we couldn't even get the Windows disc to boot when the hard drive was totally empty
[15:04] <gunndawg> ten-eight I wasnt to wild about the binary clock so I dont use it, unless there was some I missed
[15:05] <Ten-Eight> gunndawg: I've not used screenlets before and not keen on having a cluttered desktop.
[15:05] <bethdo97> should I use the Windows disc, reinstall Windows the install xbuntu?
[15:05] <Ten-Eight> that's why I like ubuntu and gnome...nice and clean.
[15:05] <gunndawg> ten-eight you should at least try the terminal screenlet
[15:05] <madsailor> bethdo97,  it's all here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[15:05] <gunndawg> you can mount a tiny translucent terminal window to ur desktop
[15:05] <gunndawg> gives it more of a matrix feel ;) able to type on ur desktop, and its also useful
[15:06] <Ten-Eight> gunndawg: might have to give it a shot then.
[15:06] <gunndawg> its pretty cool, ok im off to get a lil rest
[15:06] <gunndawg> talk to you all later!
[15:06] <Ten-Eight> gunndawg: later my friend.
[15:17] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: http://www.oppalumni.net/deskshot1.png
[15:18] <Ten-Eight> sorry about the slow server...it's at my home and on a cable modemm connection.
[15:22] <madsailor> Ten-Eight, nice...now you need to figure out how to change colors in your IRC client and terminal so EVERYTHING looks like a retro monochrome
[15:23] <madsailor> (and it's weird to see my IRC chat in someone elses screenshot)
[15:25] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: I'm using the IRSSI irc program with the "revolutionary" theme. Easy on the eyes ;)
[15:25] <Ten-Eight> don't know how long I can be "matrixed" until my eyes start freaking out! lol
[15:25] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: hehehehe...yeah, I thought the same when I saw the screenshot from gundawg and saw myself in his window.
[15:28] <madsailor> I lasted about 2.3 minutes if you noticed ;)
[15:28] <Ten-Eight> heheheh...yeah, I noticed.  This theme is cool for the "wow factor" but not for the long term.
[15:33] <Ten-Eight> madsailor: heheh...now I'm back on my Shiki-colors theme (Dust) with the GTK window decorator.
[15:33] <Ten-Eight> easier on the eyes.
[15:34] <Ten-Eight> that theme would freak my wife out if I put it on the main desktop at home ;)
[15:34] <madsailor> so, you're already set for april 1st ;)
[15:34] <Ten-Eight> yep!
[15:34] <Ten-Eight> hehehehe
[18:47] <Rakshasa> Hallo
[18:47] <Rakshasa> I have a problem. My laptop has 3 primary partition (2 of w7, 1 for data, and an extended). The extended contains two root partition for two separate linux os (ubuntu and  slack) one swap and a shared home (of course for two different username). The first os installed is w7, after this i installed skack and ubuntu with burg. Now i decide to reinstall w7 by deleting and rebuilding only the first two primary partitions. The problem than is that n
[18:47] <Rakshasa> ow the two root parts are seen either from gparted and ubuntu live as an empy unallocated block. How can i solve this problem without reinstalling from scratch??
[18:50] <seidos> why not reinstall from scratch?
[18:50] <seidos> Rakshasa ^
[18:50] <Rakshasa> So... what i want to do is only restoring the boot loader
[18:51] <seidos> hey, maybe that's what i want to do
[18:51] <seidos> my hard disk is reporting a lot of bad sectors
[18:51] <seidos> but i think it's because my notebook fell on the floor from the bed
[18:51] <Rakshasa> i but this is impossible because the root partition is unreachable till is seen as an unallocated space.
[18:52] <seidos> i'm running off a liveusb because the hard disk is struggling right now.  it is dying :'(
[18:52] <seidos> so i can't install gparted right now...
[18:54] <seidos> isn't the bootloader installed on the primary partition which has doors7 installed, Rakshasa ?
[18:54] <Rakshasa> yes it's higly probable that falling down the heads touched the disc..
[18:54] <seidos> then it is probably unsalvagable without special tools :'(
[18:55] <seidos> if i could find an SD card i might be able to use that as the OS drive
[18:55] <seidos> perhaps through a minimal install
[18:55] <Rakshasa> NBow i don't remember where the burg installs itself, but i can say i deleted all the two windows primary partition.
[18:55] <seidos> hmmm, heads, i was thinking the "reading arm" was the problem
[18:56] <seidos> Rakshasa: what is the goal for the final state of the system?  ubuntu only installed?  what OS' do you want installed?
[18:56] <Rakshasa> OK
[18:56] <seidos> i should probably review hard drive terminology
[18:57] <seidos> ah, heads read and write to the platters
[18:58] <seidos> interesting, thanks Rakshasa
[18:58] <Rakshasa> ... the goal is: Windows on th first partition. Then data partition, then ubuntu on a partition and Kubuntu on another root partition. Burg as selection system at boot
[19:00] <seidos> Rakshasa: and what is stopping you from doing this?  burg?  i am not familiar with burg.  I assume it is like grub or something.
[19:00] <bethdo97> I finally have managed to geet xbuntu running onn my son's computer. However, when I try to shut down the computer I get a warning that a prograam is still running. In the box that opens up it says unknown not responding. How do I find out what it is and make it close and not open. I have rebooted several times and this keeps happening
[19:02] <bethdo97>  I checked system monitor and when I open it the only thing that shows as running in system monitor There are multiple things listed at sleeping
[19:02] <seidos> bethdo97: well, the first thought that comes to mind is the command "ps aux | grep unknown"
[19:03] <seidos> i just ran it, and i had nothing come up...
[19:04] <seidos> bethdo97: you could install another window manager, like fluxbox or openbox, or gnome, and see if the same problem happens with them
[19:04] <bethdo97> i am new to linux and ubuntu
[19:04] <seidos> bethdo97: how new?  i have been using ubuntu for 2 years, but i still consider myself new -_-
[19:04] <bethdo97> Wednesday
[19:04] <bethdo97> lol
[19:04] <Rakshasa> what is stopping me is that i can't restore ubuntu installations and than the burg because the root partition is seen as unallocated space
[19:05] <bethdo97> seidos: Wednesday
[19:06] <bethdo97> seidos: About 60 gours
[19:06] <bethdo97> hours
[19:06] <seidos> Rakshasa: i would have to think about it.  i have no idea why / would be seen as unallocated space.  it is seen as unallocated in gparted?  but how are you examining /?  from a different /?  on the same hard disk
[19:06] <seidos> bethdo97: ah, humpday.  the hump in the middle of the week...double entejre's are inappropriate
[19:07] <bethdo97> seidos: lol
[19:07] <seidos> bethdo97: does something like sudo apt-get install fluxbox work from a command line?  then see if you can boot into fluxbox from the...er...menu that starts just before the window manager is selected
[19:07] <seidos> there's a word for it...can't think of it
[19:08] <seidos> pedro3005: what is the word for the "boot menu" that comes up before the wm is selected?
[19:08] <pedro3005> login screen?
[19:09] <seidos> pedro3005: that might be it.  do you know what package it is?  it's not unity is it?
[19:09] <pedro3005> depends on the environment
[19:09] <bethdo97> I am teaching myself as I try to get my son's laptop working again
[19:09] <pedro3005> gnome has its screen, kde has its screen etc
[19:10] <seidos> pedro3005: i think openbox and fluxbox share gnome's screen
[19:10] <Rakshasa> so what i want do is simply launching the os with an ubu 10.10 live, after mounting the root (of the partition where the root fs is installed) on the live root and managing the boot loader, this restores the os and revert the system to the original state.
[19:10] <seidos> can't say for kde.  haven't used it in some time.
[19:10] <pedro3005> because openbox and fluxbox aren't desktop environments
[19:10] <pedro3005> they're window managers
[19:10] <seidos> pedro3005: i said wm
[19:10] <bethdo97> seidos: hard drive died - gafe it a nice sendoff with my sledge hammer
[19:10] <bethdo97> gavve
[19:10] <pedro3005> well yeah still
[19:10] <seidos> bethdo97: sledge hammer?  recycling it might have been a better idea
[19:11] <seidos> no
[19:11] <bethdo97> not after all I have gone thru trying to get this system running again
[19:11] <Rakshasa> this trouble is never happened till i use a boot partition.
[19:12] <seidos> Rakshasa: i'm not sure if it's "simple"...and i really don't know what it is you want to do.  let me try:  1.  boot from live cd.  2. errrr?
[19:12] <seidos> Rakshasa: i may not be capable of assisting, but i am trying.
[19:13] <Rakshasa> ok.  the fact are these. I start the lap with the ubuntu live.
[19:13] <seidos> Rakshasa: ah, you want to use a live cd to recover / on the system that is showing up as "unallocated space" from the live cd?
[19:13] <seidos> Rakshasa: but if it's showing up as unallocated space, doesn't that mean there is a problem with how the partition is being read, or the state of the partition?
[19:14] <seidos> Rakshasa: is / encrypted?
[19:14] <Rakshasa> So i search for sda8 but the partition isnt, because is merged with another partition and seen from gparted as unallocated space.
[19:15] <bethdo97> seidos: actually hadn't had a chance to use aa boot partition yet.  That was what I had in mind when I decided to shut things down
[19:15] <seidos> bethdo97: are you spelling words this way on purpose?
[19:15] <Rakshasa> i think at encryption. but no. The uncommon fact is that the partitions resulting merged from gparted analysis are two.
[19:15] <seidos> Rakshasa: is english your first language?  it is difficult for me to parse your language efficiently.
[19:16] <Rakshasa> no
[19:16] <Rakshasa> ok. listen, i have two ubuntu version: ubuntu and kubuntu ok?
[19:16] <seidos> Rakshasa: no worries.  just be aware it may take me more time to comprehend.  but, still, even if i do comprehend, i am not sure what i can do.  i only have one OS installed on my system.  i never dual booted it.
[19:16] <seidos> Rakshasa: ack
[19:17] <Rakshasa> every *ubutnu uses an own partition to store /, these two partition are near.
[19:17] <seidos> *ubuntu *its *partitions
[19:17] <seidos> near?
[19:18] <Rakshasa> near as for example sda7 and sda8 (near as in number and near as in space).
[19:18] <seidos> Rakshasa: i am curious, why did you install a separate installation of kubuntu and not just install the kde environment?
[19:19] <seidos> Rakshasa: ah.  what is the relevance of the proximity of sda7 and sda8?
[19:19] <Rakshasa> because i want try the behavior of kubuntu without any infuence from ubuntu environment or processes
[19:20] <seidos> Rakshasa: interesting.  are you developing for them?
[19:20] <seidos> *to
[19:20] <Rakshasa> the rilevance is that now these two partitions are merged in one unallocated block and i don't know why.
[19:20] <seidos> *relevance
[19:21] <bethdo97> seidos: That will be the next thing I try to figure out.  Evidently there is a known issue with my new computer and haven't had time to figure out that issue out before I had to figure out how to get my son's system working again so he can use it for school
[19:21] <seidos> whoa, that is very strange.  so sda7 and sda8 are merged into one "unallocated block".  i don't know why either.
[19:21] <Rakshasa> exactly.
[19:22] <seidos> sda1, sda2, sda5, sda6 / /home swap ?
[19:22] <seidos> i am missing one...
[19:23] <Rakshasa> i can't mind what happened because the other partitions of extended block and the primary data partition are untouched
[19:23] <seidos> that's strange...gparted is installed on the liveusb
[19:23] <seidos> but during installation, it isn't
[19:23] <seidos> *after
[19:23] <seidos> Rakshasa: you can't mind?  or don't mind?
[19:23] <Rakshasa> i booted with gparted live cd
[19:24] <Rakshasa> this see the unallocated block.
[19:24] <Rakshasa> i booted with  ubuntu dvd spanned on an extyernal hd. this see the unallocated block
[19:24] <Rakshasa> hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhh
[19:25] <Rakshasa> i mind, i mind exaclty what i do.
[19:25] <Rakshasa> i do this:
[19:25] <Rakshasa> install ubuntu
[19:25] <seidos> *external
[19:25] <Rakshasa> install kubuntu
[19:25] <seidos> *sees
[19:25] <seidos> spanned?
[19:25] <Rakshasa> no
[19:25] <seidos> yes
[19:25] <Rakshasa> when i installe ubuntu and kubuntu w7 was installed before.
[19:26] <seidos> huh, how do run fsck on all fs on /dev/sda
[19:27] <seidos> perhaps a wild card
[19:28] <Rakshasa> no this is a thing that i didn't the fschk, but because if an error occurs or occurred before launching gparted, gparted must see the uncorrect state and notice that.
[19:28] <Rakshasa> so i havent any announce and than i didn't any chk.
[19:29] <seidos> perhaps running fsck will remap the hard drive...so it will be salvagable until i can replace it
[19:29] <Rakshasa> so ok..
[19:29] <Rakshasa> wait till i reboot and do this
[19:30] <Rakshasa> see you soon
[19:30] <seidos> see you soon
[21:02] <eee-bang> hi all
[21:02] <eee-bang> emergency... my desktop suddenly died
[21:02] <bioterror> !!
[21:02] <bioterror> explain more
[21:04] <eee-bang> yes, I will.... it suddenly rebooted, then went to a black screen after grub
[21:06] <eee-bang> it seems unstable... sometimes I can get to grub, sometimes not... I just managed to boot from cd
[21:07] <eee-bang> oh, I did not anyway... it restarted halfway through the booting
[21:07] <eee-bang> black screen, beep sounds
[21:08] <eee-bang> btw, this is kristian-aalborg, logging in from another computer
[21:08] <eee-bang> hi holstein et al
[21:08] <geirha> Starting to sound like hardware failure to me
[21:08] <eee-bang> geirha, yes, that's what I think too
[21:08] <eee-bang> but damn hard to figure out _what_ is wrong
[21:08] <geirha> eee-bang: See if you can boot into the memtest, and run that.
[21:09] <eee-bang> from a cd?
[21:09] <geirha> I don't remember if the CD has a memtest option, but your grub menu should, unless you have specifically removed it.
[21:10] <bioterror> has
[21:10] <eee-bang> phew... it was still there... I ran a cleanup script, for a moment I feared I'd removed it
[21:11] <eee-bang> running it now, should take a while
[21:13] <kristian-aalborg> scary stuff.... seems like I might have to get a new box
[21:13] <bioterror> probably
[21:14] <kristian-aalborg> luckilly, I backed up stuff recently
[21:14] <kristian-aalborg> still a bummer, o/c
[21:15] <geirha> Did you build the computer yourself, or did you buy it pre-built?
[21:15] <kristian-aalborg> I think I'll try to get a used Thinkcentre, they seem solid
[21:16] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, or a hp dc7700/dc7800
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> geirha, a mix, actually - I found parts online and had them assembled and sent
[21:16] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror, is that a similar system?
[21:17] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, can be solid as well ;)
[21:17] <bioterror> nothing is idiot proof, but they are okay
[21:17] <geirha> kristian-aalborg: If it's newer than 5 years, you can probably get that fixed for free.
[21:17] <geirha> At least, that's the law in Norway. Denmark probably has similar laws.
[21:18] <kristian-aalborg> I have some fancy needs re. tv-out and spdif... will see how that meets with a TC/ DC
[21:18] <kristian-aalborg> geirha, probably - I'll look into that
[21:19] <kristian-aalborg> I hope it's the ram that are borked, that can be fixed easily
[21:19] <geirha> You could always take the computer apart; remove all components except the harddrives, ram, cpu and motherboard. Then add one and one component until it crashes.
[21:20] <kristian-aalborg> holy...
[21:20] <geirha> kristian-aalborg: The 5 year "guarantee", we call "reklamasjonsrett" in Norway.
[21:20] <kristian-aalborg> went from memtest to black screen and bad sounds... should not happen, right
[21:20] <kristian-aalborg> geirha, so do we, but we spell it properly ;)
[21:21] <geirha> Right, so it's definitely a hardware issue. But whether it was the RAM or some other component is hard to tell.
[21:21] <kristian-aalborg> my power button is blinking frantically now, nothing else happens
[21:22] <geirha> The motherboard manual may have information on what that means.
[21:22] <geirha> Also, some motherboards have some led in the back that that can tell you of certain hardware problems. (Also described in the motherboard manual, if any)
[21:22] <geirha> *leds
[21:44] <kristian-aalborg> geirha, I got this in april 2007 it seems (was this msg lost?)
[21:45] <geirha> appears so
[21:46] <kristian-aalborg> bugger
[21:47] <kristian-aalborg> my router depends on the desktop being plugged in, I found out... I must have wired it in a dumb way
[21:48] <kristian-aalborg> I changed graphics card and sound card for the desktop, probably blew the guarantee there :/
[21:50] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.guloggratis.dk/computere/stationaer/ibm/annonce/9997144
[21:53] <kristian-aalborg> I guess I could move stuff from my ugly tower to that one?
[21:58] <geirha> Looks very small. You'll probably need smaller components
[22:00] <kristian-aalborg> makes sense... I just found the model name, looks at specs now
[22:01] <kristian-aalborg> guess I could get a new video card for it
[22:03] <geirha> A small one line that would be great as a media player, running mythbuntu.
[22:06] <kristian-aalborg> I use my pc for playing movies etc
[22:11] <kristian-aalborg> would anyone have some ideas for diagnosing the current desktop?
[22:26] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, what are the symptoms?
[22:28] <kristian-aalborg> hi seidos
[22:28] <kristian-aalborg> were you here half an hour ago? I posted the symptoms then
[22:32] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, hmmm, not sure, my timestamps aren't on in my irc client for some reason -_-
[22:32] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, it won't boot properly... sometimes I get to grub... sometimes it goes blank and makes scary noises
[22:33] <kristian-aalborg> sometimes, it keeps rebooting
[22:33] <kristian-aalborg> I can
[22:33] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, small keyboard
[22:33] <kristian-aalborg> I can't start anything, none of my OS's or a livecd..
[22:34] <seidos> huh, if livecd doesn't work, sounds like a hardware problem
[22:35] <kristian-aalborg> yes, indeed... I tried running memtest, but the box shut down after a while
[22:36] <seidos> desktop?  laptop?
[22:37] <seidos> if it's POSTing though, then why wouldn't a livecd work unless there is a problem with the ATA controller?
[22:39] <seidos> or perhaps the PS isn't doing it's job
[22:39] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, desktop
[22:40] <kristian-aalborg> POSTing?
[22:41] <seidos> point of service test i think
[22:41] <seidos> it's the process that systems go through when they first boot
[22:41] <seidos> a failed POST usually results in odd beeps
[22:42] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, is your cd-rom on the same ata channel as your hard disk?  can you put it on its own channel?
[22:42] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, where can I see this? in BIOS?
[22:42] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, you have to open your system, and see how the hard disk and cd-rom are cabled.
[22:43] <kristian-aalborg> oh damn
[22:43] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, though it may be possible to see in the BIOS
[22:43] <seidos> channel 1, primary & secondary, channel 2, primary & secondary
[22:43] <seidos> something like this
[22:44] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, will go to bios now - I might lose my wifi, but will be back
[22:45] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, good luck
[22:45] <seidos> _/\_
[22:45] <kristian-aalborg> okay, in bios now
[22:45] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, was that praying hands? not seen that before ;)
[22:46] <seidos> namaste kristian-aalborg ^_^
[22:46] <kristian-aalborg> I have something called IDE channels
[22:46] <seidos> ATA, IDE...non-scsi hard drive I/O protocol
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> IDE channel 0 master: cdrom
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> IDE channel 0 slave: none
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> IDE channel 1 master : hd1
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> IDE channel 1 slave: none
[22:47] <kristian-aalborg> interestingly, my second hdd is not mentioned
[22:48] <seidos> is it external?
[22:48] <seidos> well, separate channels...so that isn't it
[22:48] <seidos> i am thinking live cd really should work
[22:48] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, no, it is in the pc
[22:49] <kristian-aalborg> it was giving me some trouble recently, though
[22:49] <seidos> so, three things i can think of, 1.  can you make a live usb?  2.  can you try a different cd-rom (disk and/or drive) 3.  power supply
[22:49] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, perhaps a separate ide controller card?
[22:50] <kristian-aalborg> 1 - can't boot from usb ---- 2 - tried a few different cd's already --- 3 how to do that?
[22:51] <kristian-aalborg> also no clue how to change ide controller card (?)
[22:51] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, okay.  1.  what about trying the cd's in a different computer?  2.  you would need to acquire a power supply "spare part"
[22:52] <kristian-aalborg> 1 -  the cd's worked a few days ago
[22:52] <seidos> ah, so why don't they anymore?
[22:52] <kristian-aalborg> 2 - I'll have to think if I know someone who could help with that
[22:53] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, because the computer is kaput ;)
[22:53] <seidos> are you in the los angeles area?  i don't have any spare parts though.  well, i do have a power supply, i think it's a 230W
[22:53] <seidos> but it's in a working system
[22:54] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, I am in Denmark but thanks for the thought
[22:55] <kristian-aalborg> trying to boot it, might lose connection
[22:56] <kristian-aalborg> I disabled the hdd in bios, let's see what happens
[22:57] <kristian-aalborg> crazy stuff... I'm on the livecd now
[22:57] <seidos> disabling hard drive did something?
[22:57] <seidos> oooooooo aaaahhhh
[22:57]  * seidos is amazed by technological magic
[22:57] <kristian-aalborg> either that or it's random when it works
[22:58] <seidos> hmmm, perhaps quantum fluctuations in the matrix -_-
[22:58] <kristian-aalborg> seidos, it is kind of mysterious as the boot should look for cd's first
[22:58] <seidos> between socrates, joan of arc, beethoven, ghengis khan, and billy the kid, who would be the best at computers?
[22:58] <kristian-aalborg> socrates
[22:59] <seidos> yeah, that was my thought as well
[22:59] <kristian-aalborg> only billy the kid and beethoven would run linux, though
[23:00] <seidos> you don't think joan of arc was a FOSS type of girl?
[23:00] <kristian-aalborg> probably OpenBSD
[23:00] <seidos> actually, i don't think any of them would "run" linux.  they would use the easiest tool for their job.
[23:00] <seidos> joan of arc didn't need computers, she had God for her strategic guidance
[23:01] <kristian-aalborg> however, what does this say about my desktop?
[23:01] <seidos> oh, sorry, it was the randomness
[23:02] <kristian-aalborg> I'm trying enabling the hdd again
[23:04] <kristian-aalborg> hmm, I can't do that it seems
[23:04] <seidos> you can't reenable the hdd?
[23:04] <seidos> sounds like the hd problem i had
[23:04] <seidos> but i dropped the hd
[23:05] <kristian-aalborg> I much prefer a borked hdd to a borked computer, obviously
[23:06] <seidos> yeah, an entirely borked computer is bad and not-good (!good)
[23:06] <kristian-aalborg> I'll unplug the entire thing and examine the wires - they were the last thing to cause problems
[23:07] <kristian-aalborg> this means I'll probably get disconnected - thanks a bunch and see ya later
[23:07] <seidos> good luck kristian-aalborg
[23:07] <seidos> hope to see you soon ^_^
[23:23] <yax51> ok, so I am trying to install perl, but when I run the install it just quits, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or not....
[23:23] <yax51> is there something else I can do?
[23:25] <seidos> hey yax51 i dunno.  i just reinstalled, let me try out my perl install
[23:26] <yax51> did you run it from synaptic?
[23:26] <seidos> yax51, i didn't even have to install it, worked after an install of karmic.  what are you running?  maverick?  lucid?
[23:26] <yax51> maverick
[23:26] <seidos> yax51, how are you testing it?
[23:27] <seidos> do you have the /usr/bin/perl binary yax51 ?
[23:29] <yax51> seidos: I don't think so...I downloaded it from the perl.org website and when I ran the install.sh it goes through asks me some questions, the says "installing" then quits
[23:30] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: this is weird... I pressed all the cables and the box started fine
[23:30] <seidos> yax51, and you tried from synaptic?  sudo apt-get install perl?
[23:30] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, that is weird...what cables did you press?  the ide cables?
[23:31] <yax51> seidos, reinstalling from synaptic, and if that doesn't work I'll try the latter
[23:31] <seidos> yax51, good luck
[23:31] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: whatever I could find
[23:31] <yax51> seidos: thanks! I'll let you know
[23:31] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, :o  i was hoping to peel back the mystery a bit
[23:31] <kristian-aalborg> I noticed the fan for the power supply is rather dirty - computer has been open for a few weeks
[23:32] <kristian-aalborg> wil wacuum tomorrow
[23:32] <geirha> Yeah, could be processor overheating
[23:32] <seidos> i know of someone that has a server in their garage, it is just a motherboard, ps, etc. mounted onto a piece of plywood.  no cover.
[23:34] <kristian-aalborg> cpu is 40C now, is that much?
[23:35] <seidos> i don't believe it is
[23:36] <geirha> The limit is probably around 70C
[23:36] <seidos> here's a table i found:  http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/CPU/CPU%20Temperatures.shtml
[23:36] <seidos> lists various cpus and their max temps.  but yeah, 70C appears to be a good rule of thumb
[23:37] <geirha> The BIOS will typically have a setting for that
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> I think it may have reached the limit, then powered off
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> weird that the problem persisted, though...
[23:40] <kristian-aalborg> like I said, will vacuum tomorrow, then keep an eye on it
[23:41] <yax51> ok, so its saying that perl is installed and the latest version, however I can't seem to run it
[23:41] <seidos> yax51, well, do you have a perl script to run?
[23:42] <seidos> yax51, you can just type "perl" at the command line...but without a script it will just kind of sit there
[23:42] <yax51> seidos: aaah that makes sense...
[23:43] <seidos> yax51, i have several basic scripts if you want to try one
[23:44] <palhmbs> I have a error in my bash profile that gives the error message: bash: warning: here-document at line 40 delimited by end-of-file (wanted `EOF')  -  bash: /etc/bash.bashrc: line 64: syntax error: unexpected end of file
[23:44] <paultag> palhmbs: did you delete teh EOF on line 44 ?
[23:44] <paultag> palhmbs: regardless make it look like:
[23:44] <paultag>         cat <<-EOF
[23:45] <paultag>         EOF
[23:45] <paultag> if you are trying to get rid of that crap
[23:45] <palhmbs> thanks - will try
[23:45] <paultag> cheers
[23:45] <seidos> hey, two pauls
[23:45]  * seidos bows
[23:47] <palhmbs> seidos, why thank you --- btw paultag- that Ctrl - R tip was awesome -
[23:48] <seidos> palhmbs, what does your nickname mean?
[23:48] <palhmbs> paul home business
[23:48] <palhmbs> and I'm not making much money at the moment
[23:48] <palhmbs> to much learning to do
[23:49] <seidos> i am making zero $
[23:49] <palhmbs> seidos, and yes, I now realise what is could be construed as...
[23:49] <seidos> oh wait, my mom gave me $30 yesterday ^_^
[23:50] <palhmbs> seidos, how old are u? - I'm 32
[23:50] <seidos> palhmbs, i can't...i thought it was like "pal" or friend, and hmbs i had no idea
[23:50] <seidos> palhmbs, same here, 32
[23:51] <seidos> !ot | seidos
[23:51] <palhmbs> pal is my initials for my first 3 names - my dad rigged it that way - Paul - Anton (Dads Father) Lesley (Mothers Father)
[23:51] <ubot2> seidos, please see my private message
[23:52] <palhmbs> paultag, I'm not sure, didn't seem to work -- put EOF at the end of .bashrc
[23:52] <palhmbs> still does the same thing
[23:53] <palhmbs> would messing with .profile stuff it up to?
[23:53] <paultag> hey seidos
[23:53] <paultag> palhmbs: yeah that ctrl + r rocks
[23:53] <paultag> palhmbs: check ~/.bashrc
[23:53] <paultag> palhmbs: but it should be line 40 of that file
[23:54] <paultag> palhmbs: P.S. you should not mess with global files like that
[23:54] <palhmbs> messing with global files is how I learn things
[23:54] <palhmbs> he he he
[23:54] <paultag> haha
[23:55] <gunndawg> Hey is there any way to change the color of text boxes on webpages? I downloaded a theme that I LOVE but it changed the color of text boxes on websites and that kinda takes away/ruins the site
[23:58] <egossett> how do i put my irc nickname on launchpad
[23:59] <kristian-aalborg> seidos: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature - this is the command I use - it keeps giving the temp as exactly 40C - is it working, do you think?