[01:44] johnny77: OpenOffice's headed on a different path since Oracle's tending to close up its idea of open-source. [01:44] johnny77: LibreOffice's the way to go, it's the standard office for Ubuntu 11.04. [01:45] johnny77: Also, the developer community behind Libre is huge, huger than that of composed of Oo (mainly a merger of some, if any). [01:48] JackyAlcine: thank you. [01:52] no problem ,johnn77 [01:57] If I was to download a program and I had a choice of Linux x86 (rpm), Linux x86 (deb), Linux x64 (rpm), & Linux x64 (deb). Which should I choose? [02:01] johnny77: What kind of computer are you running? 64-bit? 32-bit? [02:02] johnny77: And do you know the differences? [02:02] i think i'm running 32, but how do I make sure? [02:07] If so, open System Mointor to the first tab, it should notate whether it's x86 or x64. [02:18] Umm... how would I go about uninstalling a botched .net 3.5 install I used winetricks-alpha to install? Every time I try to download it my internet turns off for some reason. And I ^C'd to stop it and now when I try to download it, it tells me it's already installed. [02:19] .deb would probably be easier to install, johnny77. [02:20] After you figure out if you're running 32-bit or 64-bit. [02:22] Hello, my sister just installed Ubuntu Studio on her laptop, and now Windows 7 will not boot or show up on the bootloader. We had Maverick Meerkat dualbooted on it successfully for a while, just had wifi driver issues (Damn broadcom.) Her Windows partitions (main, media & programs) is accessible from Studio, all the files seem to be there and intact. [02:22] !grub2 [02:22] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [02:22] ... [02:22] !grub [02:22] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [02:23] Uhg. sorry. Lag. [02:24] Nisorin: Is it running now? [02:24] johnny77: Are you still around? [02:25] @Jacky I just booted it up, it's at the bootloader now. Only options are Ubuntu, Ubuntu Recovery Mode, and two memory tests. [02:25] Nisorin: Start Ubuntu. [02:25] Starting. [02:27] It just came up with a couple errors. MODPROBE Fatal, couldn't find a file. Two copies of the same error message, but Ubuntu Studio booted fine anyway. [02:27] Alright, can you open a terminal window? [02:28] Opened. [02:28] And is Windows partitioned onto the same harddrive? [02:28] Yes. The laptop only has one hard drive. [02:28] Alright. [02:28] In the terminal, enter: [02:28] sudo grub-install /dev/sda [02:29] having /dev/sda being the hard drive of your computer. [02:29] It said installation finished, no error reported. [02:29] JackyAlcine: I'm here, sorry had to step away for a bit [02:31] johnny77: Run 'file /sbin/init' in a terminal. [02:31] And Nisorin: now run 'sudo update-grub /dev/sda' [02:31] Generating grub.cfg [02:32] Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic [02:32] Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic [02:32] Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin [02:33] Done. [02:33] Hm. That's odd. It should have found Windows.. [02:33] JackyAlcine: It said 32bit. So I should download the x86 deb? [02:33] johnny77: Yes, the x64 deb won't work. [02:34] JackyAlcine: ok, thank you. [02:35] Nisorin: Do you have a Windows recovery CD? [02:35] Nisorin: If anything, I think you should re-install the Windows boot loader and try re-installing GRUB over it and see if that'll fix anything. [02:36] Sis: I have the discs to reinstall windows, and the discs to reinstall the drivers. [02:37] I'm assuming the reinstallation disc would have a recovery console I could use to reinstall the Windows Bootloader? [02:41] Just in case, backing up files from the three Windows partitions before trying anything. [02:43] Nisorin: Yeah, but if I remember properly, you might need to download the applicatio FIXMBR.exe from Microsoft. If any, (because I'm a bit hazy about this), consult the forums. [02:50] Fix MBR? Master Boot Record? [02:55] Yup, Nisorin. [02:56] Nisorin: Because of my lack of experience, I recommend asking in #ubuntu [02:56] Alright, I'll go head over there. Came here first because #ubuntu was always massively busy whenever I tried asking about the wireless driver problem in Meerkat. [03:45] can someone help me, I'm trying to install ubuntu lucid alternate from a usb. I've created the bootable usb using the multisystem/multiboot program. During the installation I get the message no kernel modules found. I have to use the alternate version due to graphics card/freezing problems I face in normal live cd installation. [03:45] bugger zeeku :( [03:45] yeah sux [03:45] which multiboot program? [03:46] its the one from http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ [03:47] I've also tried to just burn the iso onto a cd but my disk drive (using brasero) constantly fails and does not complete the burn [03:48] so the only option i have is to install from usb [03:48] are you trying to install ubuntu by itself on the pc? or alongside other operating systems? [03:48] then once i do do that, hopefully reconfigure the graphics/video drivers so 10.04 doesn't randomnly freeze [03:50] I am currently running ubuntu 9.04 right now. I also have fedora 14 on another partition. But no windows ntfs. only ext3 for this ubuntu and the other that fedora uses [03:51] are you using fedora 14? [03:51] I'm just wondering because there's no reason to use multiboot if you just want ubuntu [03:51] I tried it, but don't like it [03:52] yeah that's cool [03:52] The main reason I used multiboot is that I am having problems with my cd driver burning cds [03:52] you can use this program: [03:52] http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ [03:52] to make a usb startup disk with ubuntu 10.10 [03:53] I recommend it because it works every time :> [03:53] will that work inside ubuntu? [03:53] I've used it inside windows before I think but not ubuntu [03:53] I don't have access to windows at the moment. [03:54] Even my wine program doesn't work [03:54] I don't mind replacing 9.04 with 10.04 but only if 10.04 will work. [03:56] yeah it should work on ubuntu [03:57] grab 10.10 [03:57] what video card do you have? [03:57] 10.10 latest and greatest :D [03:57] also what os are you using atm? [03:58] Yeah it is but I unfortunately kept having those damn random freezes so I had to revert back to 9.04 [03:58] funnily 9.10 had freezes as well [03:58] hrmm [03:58] my videocard is built into my motherboard. [03:59] its a SIS one [03:59] ah drats :< [03:59] ahhh drats x2 [03:59] yeah I know its annoying. [03:59] I even had to revert back to using windows at one stage. Grrrr! [03:59] >.< [04:00] hahaha [04:00] are you unable to get a cheap 2nd hand video card? [04:00] it would save a lot of trouble [04:00] I can but not soon enough. A bit if a broke student atm [04:02] I will probably just buy a new system soon as I have enough loot. This is one is seeing its last days. [04:02] what video cards are compatible with 10.04/10.10? [04:06] One more question does Unebootin allow different distributions of ubuntu on the same disk(usb), and in so doing allow you o choose which one you boot? [04:09] zeeku: You'd have to partition up the USB. [04:10] zeeku, sorry I'm getting distracted, using relately recent nvidia or ati video cards is your best bet, anything made by them in the last 1 - 4 years will work fine :) [04:11] No problems :). [04:11] and nah zeeku, imho you're best bet is to install ubuntu solo, then muck around with other distros in virtualbox [04:11] I do most of my ubuntu testing in virtualbox [04:11] it's one of the best software I have seen in a long time [04:11] I see... cool. [04:12] So what do you reccommend I do with regards to my current 9.04 [04:12] I need to be able to reinstall it just incase 10.04 is unusable. [04:12] Jacky... thanks for your response:) [04:12] oh true [04:13] I'm wary of my disk(cd) drive at the moment. [04:14] It just won't burn live cds without errors so I can't even make a backup live cd [04:14] yeah I know what you mean [04:15] So ideally I'd like to have a bootable 9.04 version on my usb as well. Unfortunately multisystem/multiboot boots directly when I select the "boot from usb" mode [04:16] So I don't think Unebootin will work with multisystem installed on the same usb drive [04:16] Not really. [04:17] yeah I didn't realise you're kinda buggered if 10.10 doesn't work [04:18] hi jacky, total noob here [04:18] yeah ikt i'm sort of screwed if 10.10 doesn't work [04:18] yeah good point [04:18] unless I can access fedora 14 [04:19] the main thing is being able to access the net so I can find some solutions... [04:20] Jacky... how would I get the system to recognize both Unebootin and Multisystem? [04:20] At the moment it seems multisystem has the priority [04:21] yeah it will [04:21] i wouldn't worry about unetbootin [04:21] it's designed for single installs afaik [04:22] I see... but its a possible solution at least. [04:23] The main problem I'm having with multisystem is that its saying that no kernel modules have been found. [04:23] When trying to install 10.04 [04:25] I don't know where to access the 10.04 kernel possibly replace the 9.04 kernel with it (if that can be done without problems) and have multisystem point to that kernel. [04:25] So that when 10.04 searches for kernel modules it finds the correct one to use. [04:27] I think multisystem uses a different kernel altogether( not sure, noob) and because I've created the iso on the usb, the 10.04 is using the kernel on the multisystem (noob)?? [04:28] im having some trouble with my ethernet cable on my PC, can anyone help me? [05:35] after running the install for ver 10.10 I received an error no lsb modules available what does this mean [05:35] I was trying to do the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade commands [05:39] after installing ver 10.10 on a brand new hard drive with no OS and rebooting system, I can't get bast thhe tty prompt. It won't boot to thhe desktop [05:39] I also can't get the system to download any of the updates or upgrades [05:41] I keep getting message Something wicked happened resolving 'us.archive.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 No address associated witth with host name) What does this mean and how do I fix it [05:41] hrmm [05:45] anyone know about the ethernet drivers on ubuntu? I'm having a problem getting my machine to recognize the ethernet thats plugged in [05:46] should be loaded by deafult [05:46] majority of network chipsets supported [05:47] are you sure it's not a fault with the ethernet card? [05:47] card/port [05:47] I'd run lspci to make sure it's been recognised first [05:48] 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03) [05:49] hobgoblin: What is the next step in figuring out the problem? [05:50] have you tried connecting with the network manager in the panel? [05:51] ifconfig ? [05:51] autoeth0 doesnt show up in the top panel [05:53] http://pastebin.com/Kwg7YEqi [05:54] so... what now? :P [05:55] mmm so it is there then [05:55] the port is just blinking green [05:55] cat5e is plugged in and the router's ethernet light is off [05:56] so is there anything in network manager? [05:56] anything like what? [05:57] eth [05:57] Wired Network (Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Controller is listed but it is faded out so you cant click it [05:57] eth0 does not show up [05:58] im on usb0 wired tethering my phone [05:58] cat /etc/network/interfaces does that show similar to auto lo iface lo inet loopback [05:58] ohh [06:01] are you dual booting with windows? [06:01] RealEyes, :> [06:01] hm, anyone know if there is a way to auto authenticate a private ssh key that has a passphrase? i'm using ssh keys for my irc server, but i don't want to have to enter my passphrase each time since i have a script that also ssh's to my server, and the connection needs to be reset occassionally, and i don't want to have to check to see if i need to enter my passphrase again [06:03] back in the spring i remember i would get a pop-up asking for the passphrase, and after i entered it the key would be authenticated until i logged out. now i just get a prompt in the terminal and it needs it each time a connection is made. not sure if i lost that because i moved from gnome to kde or what [06:03] yes [06:03] ikt, yes I am, why? [06:04] makes me think you've run across an ancient bug [06:04] auto lo [06:04] iface lo inet loopback [06:04] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=538448 [06:04] I may have and I ran across a tut on how to fix the bug but it was for 10.04 and Im on 10.10 [06:05] so i should try this: Shutdown, power down. Unplug your host (this cuts power to the card if wake-on-lan power is maintained). Wait 15 seconds. Plug in. Boot ubuntu. ?? [06:06] unplug your host means unplug the router or unplug the pc power cable? [06:06] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1676546 [06:06] oh [06:06] unplug from computer [06:07] how is that bug still here :/ [06:07] unplug the ether net or unplug the power? [06:08] unplug ethernet [06:08] k [06:12] alright, i will try that and i will brb [06:19] how do I get this to boot to the desktop, I seem to have encountered an error in the installation and despite telling it to auto login during setup after rebooting it only takes me to the tty terminal - Why? [06:26] figured out my problem (i think). for those curious, i use "ssh-agent bash" then "ssh-add" so that terminal window has my passphrase stored and ready to go, then i just launch my script in that terminal and it works (for now at least, hasn't been running long enough for me to know for sure) [06:28] hey BethDO97 === squ1d_ is now known as _CensoredBiscuit [06:29] ikt Hi [06:29] very unlucky to have the issue :( [06:29] if you type startx, does anything happen? [06:31] I am attempting to download updates at the tty terminal aand some times the message says Ign ......; Sometimes it comes back withh Failed to fetch...... and soometimes (-5 - No address associated with host name) none of theses things sound good. Does the Ign indicste that these were downloaded and if they were do I have to do something to apply theem to the system? [06:32] Ign isn't a big deal. the "Failed to fetch" implies that the server is either down or that you have a PPA enabled which was removed. are you just running "sudo apt-get update" right now? [06:33] tbh it just sounds like it's not connected to the internet [06:34] yah, that could be it as well if it's not fetching anything [06:35] It just got done, but the number of updates shown is the same as before I ran the apt-get update [06:35] What iss a PA? [06:35] ppa? [06:36] oops - keyboard burped - Yea PPA === _CensoredBiscuit is now known as CensoredBiscuit [06:37] Personal Package Archive. it allows you to get updates or applications not available on the Ubuntu servers. since you're asking what they are, i'm assuming you're not using any, so that's not part of the problem :) [06:37] !ppa [06:37] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [06:38] !ikt [06:38] Factoid 'ikt' not found [06:38] :< [06:39] No I don't think I am [06:39] I am still just trying to get this thhing to work' [06:39] Installed but can't get it to go to the desktop [06:39] well now that the update is done, try "startx" [06:39] yep :) [06:40] is it just startx or sudo startx [06:40] just startx [06:45] got a fataal error - Inserting i915 (/lib/modulless/2.6.35-25-generic-pae/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915.ko): No such device (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected (EE Screens found but none have usable coonfiguration ; Fatal server error: no screens found [06:45] This is what it spit back at me after trying the startx command [06:45] ...well that's interesting [06:46] hrm [06:46] it sounds like the graphics driver isn't working, but i'm not sure [06:46] yeah that's right [06:47] what version of ubuntu BethDO97 ? [06:47] strange thing is that the gui seemed to work fine thru the install - got all the graphics the documentation showed I should get [06:47] 10.10 [06:48] i wonder if something didn't install right or an update related to the kernel didn't install right and broke it [06:49] reading up on it I'd say it was to be expected [06:49] intel graphics drivers have a long history of being... not so good since the move to kms? [06:50] That was what I was thinking which was why I thought I would get the updates and upgrades, but nothing seemed to download [06:50] yah, they do crash due to random things, not sure what the progress has been on fixing that [06:50] is it a laptop? [06:50] BethDO97: did it actually download anything? is the internet connection working? [06:51] yes it is a laptop [06:52] I don't think anything downloaded [06:52] ethernet or wireless? [06:52] what type of laptop is it? like the brand and model [06:54] Sony Vaio VGD-FE865E iT has a brand nnew 500 gb HD which had nothhing installed on it and was partitioned and formatted during the unbutu set up [06:55] yeah, it's definitely a hardware compatibility issue, just trying to see if anyone has a work around/fix [06:55] I used iwconfig and don't think any connection is there [06:55] iwconfig is for wireless [06:56] ifconfig is for ethernet [06:56] I know that is how it connects [06:56] yah, if you're trying to connect to a wireless network using just cli it's a pain, but if ikt finds that an update fixes it we can get your wifi working [06:56] and besides ipconfig errored [06:56] ifconfig* [06:59] when I checked dhclient commaand I got a bunch of access denied responses [07:00] dhclient needs sudo if i remember correctly [07:00] ^ [07:01] yea I know I did do sudo - soorry [07:02] When I did ifconfig it shows a HWaddress, inet address, Bcast and MASK [07:03] i'm trying to find the site i used which gave step-by-step instructions when i was getting my server to access our wifi [07:05] i use WPA2-TKIP security on it [07:05] +ddecator Thanks [07:05] thanks guys! that worked! [07:06] :D [07:06] :D! [07:09] I putt in the wireless connection information wheen I did the install and it seemed to be working [07:09] Should I try rebooting the system? [07:10] yeah definitely [07:10] sudo shutdown -r now [07:10] ok be back in a sec [07:11] hi - i need some help getting the latest version of chrome to run in virtualbox - is this the right channel? [07:11] AJH101, what do you mean chrome run in virtualbox? [07:11] the chrome os ? [07:12] yes the latest chrome os [07:14] BethDO97: this isn't the site i used, but it is pretty close: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 [07:15] what's the problem AJH101 ? [07:15] will not start [07:17] int18 boot failure [07:20] <.< [07:20] aha missed a tick box [07:22] AJH101, which one? [07:23] cd/dvd drive - but now running v slow [07:23] 1024 memory allocated [07:25] closest I got was someone saying that error usually indicates a corrupt image [07:25] seems ok now [07:25] http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=36591 [07:27] how can I look at which Ubuntu I'm using? (Specifically, 32-bit or 64-bit) [07:27] +ddecator - I tried what the link you sent suggested annd got Gtk Warning **: cannot open display [07:27] uname -u in terminal i bleive [07:27] believe" [07:28] charliemac: open up terminal and type in uname -u that should do it [07:28] BethDO97: at what point? [07:29] Where would I find the terminal? [07:29] charliemac: Press Alt+F2 [07:29] charliemac: Go to Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal [07:30] charliemac: New to the 'buntu? [07:30] affirmative [07:30] !terminal [07:30] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [07:30] charliemac: Well welcome! [07:30] Thanks! [07:30] :D [07:31] heya zkriesse [07:31] what time is it there? [07:31] Oh all of 1:31 am [07:31] ikt: Long time no see man..where the hell have ya been? [07:32] !zkriesse [07:32] Factoid 'zkriesse' not found [07:32] Argh...oh that's right...the factiod bot is gone [07:32] when did it go?! [07:33] went into a world of warcraft coma :/ [07:33] Long time ago [07:33] lol [07:33] I've been in school (college), trying to find work, playing Urban Terror [07:34] me to :) [07:34] except less urban terror [07:34] haha [07:34] what are you looking to get a job as/ [07:34] PaladinWarriors Server man [07:35] It's the best [07:35] Oh at this point anything [07:35] But preferably a tech job [07:35] Why [07:35] it asked mee to install wpasupplicant and when I tried it said not found so then the page said to create a new wpasupplicant.conf by doing gksu gedit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [07:35] thats when I gott the can't open display error [07:36] BethDO97: oh, right, hard to download and install wpasupplicant without internet. i had to download it on a comp as a deb and put it on a flash drive, then install it that way [07:36] charliemac: get that working? Terminal I mean [07:37] ok I got a usb drive and another computer to use to download [07:37] Where do I down load from and what is a DEB ? [07:37] zkriesse: Typing "uname -u" in terminal turned out an error message, "uname: invalid option -- 'u'". [07:37] argh [07:37] gimme just a sec [07:38] Thank you so much! [07:38] BethDO97: .deb is to Ubuntu as .exe is to Windows. let me get you a link real quick [07:38] ok [07:38] BethDO97: you said 10.10, right? [07:38] yes [07:39] charliemac: uname -a [07:40] +ddecator: how do I access the usb drive on the other computer once I get this stuff downloaded? [07:40] BethDO97: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/wpasupplicant [07:40] BethDO97: i'll look that up for you too [07:41] BethDO97: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Manually%20Mounting [07:41] Thanks so much - Been at this 3 days tryingg to get this computer worrking for my son. Getting alittle annoyed but now it is the principle of the thing I will get ubuntu working on it even if it kills me [07:42] It said, "Linux ubuntu 2.6.35-25-generic-pae #44-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 21 19:01:46 UTC 2011 i 686 GNU/Linux... [07:42] BethDO97: no problem. do you know how to use "cd"? [07:42] So, is that 32-bit or 64-bit? [07:42] 32-bit [07:42] charliemac: 686 is 32-bit [07:42] 32 [07:42] BethDO97, i feel for ya, it's just luck of the draw that the laptop you have has a chipset that doesn't play nice with ubuntu :( [07:42] good morning [07:42] or i686 [07:42] morning yofel [07:43] i386 is the 32 bit and i64x is 64bit [07:43] zkriesse, ah just wondering, I'm pretty much same situation as you, except your a lot younger than me :P [07:43] ikt: how old are you? [07:43] actually the kernel will display 64-bit as x86_64 [07:43] ddecator: I normally find the bit-set of my computer by entering 'file /sbin/init' into my terminal. [07:43] yeah that's what i meant [07:43] I knew there was an x in there somewhere [07:44] 24 [07:44] Heh... [07:44] I'm 20 bro [07:45] Well, couple months [07:45] at this age, 4 years makes a world of difference [07:45] JackyAlcine: right, that would work too [07:46] :D just helping the helpers. ;D [07:46] * yofel notes he's 24 too, feels really old with so much kids around :P [07:47] JackyAlcine: appreciated :) [07:47] Ok, cool. (I had to install over the network using the 'clear as mud' Grub instal method here: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html and here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows ) [07:48] Is it better to use [07:49] Well depends [07:49] lol, sorry, "proprietary drivers" or [07:50] whatever the alternative is called? ;P [07:50] open source drivers ;) [07:50] Are there times that the [07:51] I can't talk about ATI, but the proprietary nvidia drivers work fine here, but if you don't need 3D/opengl support nouveau is a bit faster [07:51] additional drivers menu only lists proprietary drivers? [07:51] it does, since the open source drivers are installed and used by default [07:52] the only disadvantage to the nvidia proprietary drivers is that plymouth looks awful [07:52] natty will handle that better, at least the color depth [07:52] good [07:53] (if colin doesn't revert the change again, but it seems stable enough this time) [07:53] i would almost rather have a black screen than the eyesore it is right now, haha [07:53] lol! [07:53] yeah, the text splash is really ugly [07:54] if you know how, setting the framebuffer resolution by hand isn't really hard though [07:59] I just went onto rhapsody.com to play a song and it prompted me to adobe/flash download, but there are several different options, surprise [07:59] charliemac: you can install flash from the official repos [08:00] what's the package...flashplugin-installer? [08:00] http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [08:00] just go to software center [08:00] Applications -> Software Center -> Search Bar/Flash -> Adobe Flash download [08:01] or that [08:01] I'm afraid that if i install flash thru software ctr, it might not be picked up thru firefox later, wrong? [08:01] It'll be fine [08:01] firefox will see it [08:01] If not we can always hop on it the other way too [08:01] Is software ctr the same as the official repos? [08:01] Cool [08:02] Pretty much [08:02] Whatever repo's you have selected to be used it'll pull crap from em [08:03] Or you can do the lovely search and hunt in the Synaptic Package Manager but I'd not recommend that if you're new to this stuff [08:03] Can be quite confusing...heck I still find it to be bonfoogleing [08:03] yah, it'll just show the "relevant" stuff, such as actual applications, and not the random packages most people don't need to worry about [08:03] i love synaptic :) [08:03] lol I know you do Dray [08:03] Not sure what repos are. Hey, I made it through Grub network installation, didn't I?! ;) [08:03] ddecator: Hey, I forget, you like wiki do you not? [08:04] zkriesse: used to do some work on it, but no time right now for it [08:04]