[17:00] <arch_is_awesome> ping
[17:00] <Mkaysi> pong
[17:01] <arch_is_awesome> Although I already wrote it earlier... ping (Mkaysi already ponged)
[17:02] <shadeslayer> \o
[17:02] <hakimsheriff> is da meeting starting?
[17:03] <arch_is_awesome> Yes.
[17:03] <serfus> seems like we are not too much, missing some key people, but we'll be fine :)
[17:04] <phillw> #help
[17:04] <nisshh> shall we start then?
[17:04] <arch_is_awesome> Yes.
[17:04]  * MH0 sneaks in
[17:04] <MH0> Hia
[17:04] <nisshh> ok
[17:04]  * arch_is_awesome is Laughing
[17:04] <nisshh> #startmeeting
[17:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:04. The chair is nisshh.
[17:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:04] <nisshh> can i get a headcount to see who is here then please
[17:04] <serfus> o/
[17:04] <Mkaysi> o/
[17:04]  * phillw here
[17:05]  * arch_is_awesome is ponging
[17:05] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, ?
[17:05] <MH0> o/
[17:05] <nisshh> cool
[17:05] <nisshh> ok, first topic
[17:05] <MH0> arch_is_awesome: Say "o/"
[17:05] <skfin> o/
[17:05] <shadeslayer> o/
[17:05] <arch_is_awesome> Oops, I just usually use ping pong okay
[17:05] <arch_is_awesome> o/
[17:05] <nisshh> [TOPIC]Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic: Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:06] <nisshh> now, i dont know who is actually doing projects, anyone?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> i'll be in and out of this channel .... so just ping me if you want something from me :P
[17:06] <nisshh> shadeslayer, ok
[17:06] <Kaia> o/
[17:06] <hakimsheriff> wait i will be back
[17:06] <MH0> I can do a few projects
[17:06] <MH0> Just need the ideas :)
[17:06] <nisshh> serfus, do you know?
[17:07] <arch_is_awesome> I might reboot my computer at some point, I am having problems with peripherals
[17:07] <MH0> I can work on that youth.ubnut.com
[17:07] <serfus> i think AndrewMC was about to start mentoring
[17:07] <nisshh> was he
[17:07] <nisshh> ok
[17:07] <MH0> serfus: Its okay
[17:07] <skfin> nisshh: I have a project about getting planet stable and not to break every day, estimated completion date: never
[17:07] <phillw> nisshh: the guy who was going to do the website has had to resign, there is a replacement available, but the council would need to discuss that as it does them access to my server.
[17:07] <nisshh> skfin, ok
[17:07] <nisshh> phillw, yep, we can talk about that later in -council then
[17:08] <MH0> phillw: Can we pijng in -council after meeting? :)
[17:08] <nisshh> ok, shall we move on then?
[17:08] <MH0> nisshh: Yup
[17:08] <nisshh> ok
[17:08] <phillw> of course, the agreement last meeting is that I only give root access to one person.
[17:09] <nisshh> [TOPIC]New Members of the Council
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic: New Members of the Council
[17:09] <nisshh> ok
[17:09] <nisshh> as far as i know, the only changes here
[17:09] <nisshh> are two new members
[17:09] <arch_is_awesome> I have never gone to a meeting before.
[17:09] <MH0> arch_is_awesome: Stay cool :)
[17:09] <nisshh> me and MH0
[17:09] <MH0> :)
[17:10] <nisshh> MH0, michaelh?
[17:10] <MH0> nisshh: Yeah Im michealH
[17:10] <nisshh> ok
[17:10] <serfus> i'm quite new as well
[17:10] <nisshh> and jasono also got op in -youth
[17:10] <nisshh> ok, and serfus :)
[17:10] <arch_is_awesome> Quick Question - Does launchpad keep track of members?
[17:10] <MH0> So If you need me or ryan I have no issues with people PMing me
[17:10] <MH0> arch_is_awesome: Yes
[17:11] <MH0> arch_is_awesome: Verified members are added
[17:11] <nisshh> ok, moving along
[17:11] <arch_is_awesome> One sec. what is the launchpad page?
[17:11] <serfus> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-youth
[17:11] <nisshh> http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-youth
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-youth
[17:11] <nisshh> i think
[17:11] <arch_is_awesome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-youth ?
[17:11] <arch_is_awesome> Ahh.
[17:11] <nisshh> thats the one yes
[17:12] <nisshh> forgot the tilde
[17:12] <serfus> arch_is_awesome, seems like you are already a part of the team
[17:12] <arch_is_awesome> For some reason I am on the list....
[17:12] <arch_is_awesome> That is what I meant.
[17:12] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, i think i accidently approved you the other day, before we got a chance to vote you in :)
[17:13] <arch_is_awesome> Member since: 2010-02-16
[17:13] <hakimsheriff> so lets vote now
[17:13] <nisshh> oh ok
[17:13] <nisshh> ok
[17:14] <skfin> Is AndrewMC around?
[17:14] <nisshh> [VOTE] Membership of arch_is_awesome
[17:14] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Membership of arch_is_awesome.
[17:14] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:14] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:14] <serfus> skfin, no he isn't
[17:14] <serfus> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from serfus. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:14] <Mkaysi> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from Mkaysi. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:14] <Muscovy> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from Muscovy. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:14] <nisshh> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from nisshh. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[17:14] <hakimsheriff> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from hakimsheriff. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[17:14] <Kaia> +1
[17:14] <MootBot> +1 received from Kaia. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[17:14] <skfin> +0
[17:14] <MootBot> Abstention received from skfin. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[17:14] <nisshh> [ENDVOTE]
[17:14] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 6
[17:14] <nisshh> ok
[17:15] <nisshh> welcome to the team arch_is_awesome
[17:15] <serfus> arch_is_awesome, welcome aboard!
[17:15] <skfin> I dont know enough about him to vote for :)
[17:15] <skfin> Welcome anyways!
[17:15] <hakimsheriff> Welcome!!!
[17:15] <arch_is_awesome> Thanks.
[17:15] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, maybe you could tell us a bit about yourself then>
[17:15] <nisshh> ?
[17:15] <arch_is_awesome> Okay then,
[17:15] <nisshh> just quickly
[17:16] <arch_is_awesome> I usually use chakra or ubuntu linux, I know python and pyqt
[17:16] <skfin> +1 :)
[17:16] <arch_is_awesome> Also I am 12, live in jacksonville, FL USA
[17:16] <phillw> arch_is_awesome: having a wiki page is always handy :)
[17:16] <nisshh> nice
[17:16] <nisshh> +1 to what phillw said
[17:16] <arch_is_awesome> I am in 6th Grade
[17:16] <arch_is_awesome> Okay, all done (for now)
[17:17] <Kaia> arch_is_awesome: you have a launchpad page don't you?
[17:17] <arch_is_awesome> https://launchpad.net/~stephenmac7
[17:17] <Kaia> ^link to arch_is_awesome
[17:17] <nisshh> phillw, do you know anything about the new team process/etc? (the next topic)
[17:18] <nisshh> phillw, ?
[17:18] <phillw> nisshh: we are recruiting council members, that way there should always be enough around for meetings.
[17:18] <hakimsheriff> i want to be 1
[17:18] <nisshh> ok
[17:18] <nisshh> hakimsheriff, we offer, not the other way around :)
[17:19] <hakimsheriff> okay, sorry
[17:19] <nisshh> ok, do we have any other new members that need voting on?
[17:19] <phillw> they must have signed the CoC and have a wiki page for them to be considered.
[17:20] <arch_is_awesome> I have seen Zach's wiki page, I am not so sure I can write that much about myself
[17:20] <serfus> arch_is_awesome, i will help you, don't worry :)
[17:20] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, it doesnt need to be that extensive
[17:20] <nisshh> ok, moving along
[17:20] <Mkaysi> arch_is_awesome: My wikipage is better example. It's so small. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/mkaysi
[17:20]  * pedro3005 appears
[17:20] <arch_is_awesome> I'll take a look,
[17:20] <nisshh> [TOPIC]Slightly New Team Process/Ideas
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic: Slightly New Team Process/Ideas
[17:21] <nisshh> ok
[17:21] <phillw> arch_is_awesome: you ought to try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
[17:21] <phillw> lol
[17:21] <nisshh> so apart from the council recruiting new members
[17:21] <nisshh> does anyone have any idea's for the team?
[17:21] <arch_is_awesome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw is quite extensive :)
[17:21] <nisshh> Mkaysi, arch_is_awesome, phillw, serfus, ?
[17:22] <hakimsheriff> helping people getting more involved with ubuntu teams
[17:22] <serfus> i know about the mentoring plan, tough not enough
[17:22] <nisshh> yes
[17:22] <MH0> Oop.. Havent been watching
[17:22] <nisshh> serfus, we must ask zach about that :)
[17:22] <pedro3005> well, if I may, I was discussing that in the channel recently. It seems that there's too much attention to the infrastructure of the team (i.e. bureaucracy) and not much attention to actually doing stuff
[17:22] <arch_is_awesome> nisshh: Thinking...
[17:22] <skfin> I will be away now on, please ping me if you guys need me->
[17:22] <arch_is_awesome> pedro3005, I agree, that is what I was about to say... :)
[17:22] <nisshh> pedro3005, yes, the mentoring system will change that soon, although ideas are welcome
[17:23] <phillw> I'm pretty full with padawans at the moment, I'd like jasono to get involved to further his knowledge.
[17:23] <nisshh> thats cool
[17:23] <serfus> i just took arch_is_awesome as my "padawan"
[17:23] <arch_is_awesome> About the mentoring system, how exactly is that going to work? Email, Jabber, or what?
[17:24] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, tbh, im not sure, its something zkreisse has been working on, i have yet to ask him about it
[17:24] <Mkaysi> Email, Jabber or IRC.
[17:24] <nisshh> i assume that IRC/email will be used
[17:24] <serfus> arch_is_awesome, i will catch you up after the meeting
[17:24] <Kaia> Can i be your padawan serfus?
[17:24] <arch_is_awesome> query?
[17:24] <arch_is_awesome> or in some mentoring channel?
[17:24] <arch_is_awesome> (If it is IRC)
[17:24] <serfus> not a channel i don't think so
[17:24] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, i would say, just in -youth
[17:24] <phillw> arch_is_awesome: I finally nagged the UBT council into submission and bioterror is the 1st mentor (I quickly sold his slave to him :P )
[17:25] <nisshh> anyone have anything else to say before we move on?
[17:26] <serfus> guess not :P
[17:26] <nisshh> ok
[17:26] <arch_is_awesome> Yes, the mentoring, what is the plan (meaning how is it going to work)
[17:26] <phillw> nisshh: can you post up the UBT link onto your wiki area?
[17:26] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, like i said before, i dont know the details, i will ask zach as soon as i see him though :)
[17:26] <nisshh> phillw, what link?
[17:26] <arch_is_awesome> Are the metors going to see what the users know and then build on that?
[17:26] <arch_is_awesome> nisshh okay
[17:27] <serfus> there is no a complete plan
[17:27] <serfus> yet
[17:27] <arch_is_awesome> Okay, moving on...
[17:27] <nisshh> arch_is_awesome, basically, as most mentoring systems work, each mentor will be assigned one or more mentee's and then they can sort of guide them
[17:27] <nisshh> thats all i know
[17:27] <nisshh> righto
[17:27] <arch_is_awesome> Okay then, that is enough.
[17:28] <nisshh> [TOPIC]Any concerns, questions, or ideas? Please, bring them up!
[17:28] <MootBot> New Topic: Any concerns, questions, or ideas? Please, bring them up!
[17:28] <nisshh> ok, if anyone has any questions, go ahead
[17:28] <MH0> nisshh: Right
[17:28] <Mkaysi> I know that padawans are called as slaves, but they are only joking (but I think that they aren't).
[17:28] <MH0> I want to say something
[17:28] <nisshh> MH0, go ahead
[17:28] <phillw> nisshh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/
[17:28] <nisshh> phillw, what about it?
[17:29] <MH0> Earlier there was a spam attack outside UY, and I think us (the council) needs to defibne what to do as being as some spam links may not be nice to see
[17:29] <MH0> We need to think of a policy to deine such a thing
[17:29] <arch_is_awesome> I agree
[17:29] <MH0> I think AndrewMC, had one, thoguh
[17:29] <nisshh> but if this attack happened in channels outside of the youth teams, i dont see it as our issue?
[17:29] <Mkaysi> MH0: evilMichealH +1 supybot with badwords (with URLs) +2
[17:30] <nisshh> zkriesse, hey
[17:30] <nisshh> you late
[17:30] <nisshh> your*
[17:30] <zkriesse> I know
[17:30] <zkriesse> Internet troubles
[17:30] <nisshh> zkriesse, we are on the last topic :)
[17:30] <Mkaysi> nisshh: #ubuntu-stack was attacked by spamming.
[17:30] <zkriesse> nisshh: Who's chairing
[17:30] <MH0> zkriesse: Can you +Vv arch_is_awesome In UY
[17:30] <nisshh> Mkaysi, right, which is not our channel, so i fail to see what it has to do with us
[17:30] <MH0> zkriesse: nisshh
[17:30] <phillw> MH0: there has been a discussion on the doc email list about spam attacks, the best way is for those who know wiki to subscribe to the pages, that way they get alerted for every change and can see the changes.
[17:30] <Kaia> hey zkriesse
[17:30] <serfus> i don't think we should involve bans with other channels
[17:31] <nisshh> agreed
[17:31] <MH0> serfus: But spam links may not be very Touth freindly esp. from spambots
[17:31] <MH0> *youth
[17:31] <nisshh> MH0, we only need to moderate spam in the youth channels
[17:31] <arch_is_awesome> agreed
[17:31] <phillw> MH0: there are so many of us admin to go around!
[17:31] <Mkaysi> If spambots are attacking #ubuntu-stack why they couldn't attack #ubuntu-youth ?
[17:32] <serfus> sure, but we have no sign that he will attack our channel
[17:32] <nisshh> outside of that, its not something the youth team can really control
[17:32] <zkriesse> They haven't, it's not our channel, if they do we'll do something
[17:32] <nisshh> exactly
[17:32] <MH0> Okies
[17:32] <zkriesse> But until they do we have our own channel to maintain...plus we haven't been ASKED to help that channel
[17:32] <MH0> Just a idea :)
[17:32] <hakimsheriff> i agree with zkriesse
[17:33] <Mkaysi> IDEA: Setup supybot with BadWords and add spam URL:s as badwords.
[17:33] <MH0> I was talking about a poliy for spams outside UY to be banned inslide UY incase spambots had bad links
[17:33] <nisshh> Mkaysi, we arent putting your bot in -youth, its way too spammy
[17:33] <serfus> i too agree with zkriesse and nisshh
[17:33] <arch_is_awesome> I agree with serfus
[17:34] <nisshh> ok
[17:34] <Mkaysi> nisshh: My bot would cause problems, and I am not talking about it.
[17:34] <nisshh> heh
[17:34] <nisshh> ok
[17:34] <nisshh> anyone have any other questions?
[17:34] <Mkaysi> nisshh: Ubot4 is supybot? Couldn't it do that? (BadWords is comes by default in supybot)
[17:34] <nisshh> zkriesse, im charing btw
[17:34] <zkriesse> Ok, while a team opinion is good on such a matter on spambots in other channels, ultimately somthing of that nature would be a council decision
[17:34] <nisshh> chairing*
[17:35] <zkriesse> nisshh: So i've noticed...I appreciate you taking charge
[17:35] <nisshh> Mkaysi, im not familiar with the bots
[17:35] <nisshh> zkriesse, yeah, it was either me or serfus really
[17:35] <MH0> nisshh: And me? :P
[17:35] <serfus> MH0, you were not here as well
[17:35] <nisshh> oh, or MH0 :)
[17:35] <serfus> when we have started
[17:36] <nisshh> MH0, but you werent her at the time :)
[17:36] <zkriesse> Really who chairs the meeting for UY is council members
[17:36] <zkriesse> Not just anyone
[17:36] <nisshh> yeah
[17:36] <serfus> anyhows let's continue
[17:36] <nisshh> ok, so if no one else has anything to add, i will end the meeting?
[17:37] <zkriesse> Hold on
[17:37] <zkriesse> So all topics have been covered?
[17:37] <arch_is_awesome> zkriesse: Yes
[17:37] <Kaia> i have nothiing to add
[17:37] <zkriesse> Ok then
[17:37] <nisshh> zkriesse, well, as much as could be without you here, yes
[17:38] <zkriesse> Well then let's go through it a bit
[17:38] <zkriesse> We've still got half an hour
[17:38] <nisshh> sure
[17:38] <serfus> okay
[17:38] <zkriesse> Ok, back to first topic if you please nisshh
[17:38] <arch_is_awesome> Need to leave for a sec.
[17:38] <nisshh> ok
[17:39] <zkriesse> #project status(s)
[17:39] <nisshh> [TOPIC]Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:39] <MootBot> New Topic: Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:39] <serfus> zkriesse, we didn't have much to say about topic 1 and 2
[17:39] <nisshh> what serfus said
[17:39] <zkriesse> Well, I kinda wanted to know...how are they progressing
[17:39] <zkriesse> Ok then, Topic 3 is one I do need to talk about
[17:39] <nisshh> i dont even remember who had projects last meeting
[17:39] <MH0> zkriesse: I have a new proposition for a project
[17:39] <zkriesse> MH0: We'll take care of that in UY
[17:40] <nisshh> maybe we need a projects page on the wiki zkriesse?
[17:40] <MH0> In UYC? Its concerning the Website
[17:40] <zkriesse> nisshh: Indeed you're very right on that
[17:40] <nisshh> ok
[17:40] <zkriesse> nisshh: Topic 3 if you please
[17:40] <nisshh> [ACTION] nisshh to setup a project summary page on the wiki
[17:40] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nisshh to setup a project summary page on the wiki
[17:40] <nisshh> sure
[17:41] <nisshh> [TOPIC]New Membership Process Discussion
[17:41] <MootBot> New Topic: New Membership Process Discussion
[17:41] <nisshh> zkriesse, go ahead
[17:41] <zkriesse> Ok, due to the UY Council growing in size, we will be having a slightly different membership process
[17:41] <MH0> Mentorship at last? :)
[17:42] <nisshh> Mkaysi, serfus, arch_is_awesome, you all listening?
[17:42] <zkriesse> For a while it was simply, "Apply, check the users lp and wiki page(s) if applicable, and then choose an experienced mentor to lead said applicant"
[17:42] <serfus> sure
[17:42] <zkriesse> Well, skip last part
[17:42] <zkriesse> Just find em, get them a wiki page, they're in
[17:42] <nisshh> yep
[17:42] <nisshh> so whats changing?
[17:43] <hakimsheriff> dats good
[17:43]  * Mkaysi is listening.
[17:43] <zkriesse> But, since we are getting a sizable council, we should be able to find a few more good experienced folks who are willing to help lead/mentor the inexperienced or those who wish to be mentored in a particular subject
[17:43] <zkriesse> Not necissarily will it be the Council doing the leading but us and a few others who ask/and are approved to do so
[17:44] <zkriesse> That make any sense?
[17:44] <serfus> so we will get the mentoring project more sorted out
[17:44] <serfus> that's good
[17:44] <zkriesse> Yes indeed serfus
[17:44]  * hakimsheriff agree with zkriesse completly
[17:44] <nisshh> zkriesse, i think once the process gets worked out, a mentoring page in the wiki would be good
[17:45] <arch_is_awesome> Google just sent a new computer here, I forgot about it.
[17:45] <arch_is_awesome> I will come to the next meeting.
[17:45] <zkriesse> nisshh: I was gonna work on that..if you'd like to collaborate with me on that and the project page that'd be awesome
[17:45] <nisshh> sure
[17:45] <arch_is_awesome> Just need to get this to work, curiosity is killing me,
[17:45] <serfus> arch_is_awesome, sure, i'll update you
[17:46] <nisshh> zkriesse, have anything else to add?
[17:46] <zkriesse> arch_is_awesome: Don't worry, there will be logs
[17:46] <zkriesse> nisshh: For that topic? Nadah
[17:46] <nisshh> ok
[17:46] <nisshh> any other topic?
[17:46] <zkriesse> And that somewhat merges into topic four so we're good!
[17:46] <nisshh> ok
[17:46] <zkriesse> If nobody has anything else to add feel free to end the meeting nisshh
[17:46] <nisshh> ill end the meeting then
[17:46] <nisshh> yep
[17:46] <nisshh> #endmeeting
[17:46] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:46.
[17:47] <zkriesse> Thanks all for coming, and I appreciate the amazing participation
[17:47] <hakimsheriff> bye everyone
[17:47] <serfus> what zkriesse said :P
[17:47] <nisshh> i will post the link to the logs to the mailing list for everyone
[17:47] <hakimsheriff> okay thx
[18:50] <zkriesse> Ten minutes to meeting
[18:58] <zkriesse> Ok, before it starts can I get a show of hands? Who's here for the Ubuntu Beginners Team (BT) Wiki Focus Group Meeting
[18:58] <MH0> Im Lurking
[18:59] <zkriesse> Ok
[18:59] <zkriesse> Anyone else?
[18:59] <zkriesse> [startmeeting]
[18:59] <zkriesse> #startmeeting
[18:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:59. The chair is zkriesse.
[18:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:59] <zkriesse> Ok, welcome to the BT WIki Focus Group Meeting
[18:59] <zkriesse> Been a while since we've had one of these I know but that is changing
[19:00] <zkriesse> If the wiki will cooperate I shall have a meeting agenda lol
[19:00]  * MH0 hopes the wiki aint playing up
[19:00]  * MH0 gets the boot :P
[19:01] <UndiFineD> plenty of bugs in the wiki
[19:01] <zkriesse> [Link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs#Meetings
[19:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs#Meetings
[19:01] <zkriesse> There's the agenda for the meeting
[19:01] <zkriesse> Ok, first topic!
[19:01] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 1 - Start of meeting, show of hands etc.
[19:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Topic 1 - Start of meeting, show of hands etc.
[19:02] <zkriesse> Ok, so....welcome to the meeting, glad you're here, if yo could just toss out your name and say "Im here!" or something that'd be great!
[19:02] <MH0> Im Here o/
[19:02] <UndiFineD> something that is great
[19:02] <zkriesse> UndiFineD: Joker....
[19:03] <zkriesse> collinp: You here for the meeting too?
[19:03] <collinp> Somewhat.
[19:03] <zkriesse> Yay!
[19:03] <zkriesse> Ok, well...moving on then
[19:03] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 2 - Time to get the team back on track...
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Topic 2 - Time to get the team back on track...
[19:04] <zkriesse> Alright, as of late the BT has been going through some restructuring so I've been loathe to make any sudden movements which could possibly upset everything...but now that the boat is stable well, time to get stuff moving again!
[19:05] <zkriesse> Since we're almost into Spring (At least we dang well better be...too cold for me :P) I'd like for us to start getting prepared for the Summer of Documentation project
[19:05] <zkriesse> It's a great project, one which is fun, and awesome as it helps do a few things
[19:06] <zkriesse> Helps get the Wiki cleaned up and maintained, AND helps those who are interesed in wiki/doc work to learn more about the wiki and how the innards of it works
[19:06] <zkriesse> Any suggestions for a jump start to the wiki fg?
[19:07] <MH0> Hmm... So for the Summer of oc project
[19:07] <MH0> What will happen, all the unedited pages get deleted or?
[19:07] <zkriesse> We will be working more closely with the Ubuntu Documentation Team this year, helping them train new recruits, taking on some of the ones they need to have trained, and overall easing of their workload
[19:08] <zkriesse> MH0: Good question, the Summer of Documentation Project is basically the cleaning up/editing/and yes, deleting of old, forgotten pages on the help.ubuntu.com/community and wiki.ubuntu.com pages
[19:08] <MH0> Can we start now or is there a perticular date for it?
[19:09] <zkriesse> Well the "Summer of Doc" implies that it starts in the summer but the cleaning and maintaining of the wiki is a constant battle
[19:09] <zkriesse> So while there isn't a "Start Date" perce, there is a big "party" for the start of the project
[19:09] <zkriesse> Usually on the first day of summer or that
[19:09] <MH0> What priority pages will require cleanup?
[19:10] <zkriesse> Thats another good question
[19:10] <zkriesse> If you take a look at, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[19:11] <zkriesse> You'll see that it lists a huge amount of "tags" that can be put on the help.ubuntu.com/community pages
[19:11] <zkriesse> If you don't know what the whole "Tag" thing is don't worry
[19:11] <zkriesse> That is easily explained and learned...
[19:11] <MH0> I know Tagging :)
[19:11] <zkriesse> On each page you can tag a page, and based upon the tag it will require less or more attention
[19:12] <MH0> So the most tagged + main pages are priority?
[19:12] <zkriesse> This is also where I kinda introduced a bug system for this whole thing
[19:12] <zkriesse> It can depend
[19:12] <zkriesse> But usually yes, tagged pages have been truly recognized as "Needing Cleaning" or etc
[19:13] <phillw> zkriesse:
[19:13] <zkriesse> phillw: ?
[19:13] <phillw> this may come as a flood, but from the email list...
[19:13] <phillw> > Over the last month or so i have been using the Recent Pages page
[19:13] <phillw> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecentChanges?max_days=7 
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[19:13] <phillw> Hi
[19:13] <phillw> If is a persistant problem you can evaluate to introduce a TexCha [1] or
[19:13] <phillw> added in wikiconfig.py more range ip in hosts_deny = [ ]
[19:13] <phillw> In italian wiki we exclude some chinese range ip.
[19:14] <zkriesse> !pastebin | phillw
[19:14] <zkriesse> Ok, when I mentioned "Bug System" i'm sure some of you were like "Bugs???? For a wiki page? Seriously?"
[19:15] <phillw> it is about vandalised pages, I'm sorry that I can not be more active, I'm still on duty shift as my bar staff has a poorly son.
[19:15] <zkriesse> phillw: It's fine phillw
[19:15] <zkriesse> phillw: Appreciate the notice
[19:15] <zkriesse> Well yes, I was and am serious...I introduced a bug system on the BT Wiki LP page last year for tracking who edits what pages for the SOD (Summer of Documentation) project
[19:15] <zkriesse> If you go to Well yes, I was and am serious...I intro
[19:16] <zkriesse> dangit
[19:16] <MH0> to bad there want a request for adminship becuase I would clearly block vandals ect.
[19:16] <zkriesse> MH0: it takes much time and progress to become a Wiki Admin
[19:16] <MH0> Yeah
[19:16] <zkriesse> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[19:16] <MH0> I fully understand that
[19:16] <zkriesse> If you look at that page you'll see some bugs that are listed
[19:16] <zkriesse> Those are old but a very good example of what I'm speaking about
[19:17] <MH0> Okies
[19:18] <MH0> So when would new bugs apper?
[19:18] <MH0> *appear
[19:18] <zkriesse> When you edit a page on the wiki for the SoD project I usually ask that you go to that page and file a bug...List the Wiki/Community Help page URL, the nature of the "Bug" (General Cleanup, complete overhaul, spell checking/edits, etc) and if it's been triaged, or if it's in progress
[19:19] <MH0> So as we look around
[19:19] <MH0> We can tag pages for SOD?
[19:19] <zkriesse> If that doesn't make sense, please...ask and I'll explain in more detail
[19:19] <zkriesse> Yes
[19:19] <zkriesse> If it's an edit for the Summer of Documentation project do that
[19:19] <zkriesse> Otherwise do not
[19:19] <zkriesse> This is just for the SoD project alone
[19:19] <MH0> zkriesse: It didnt make sence
[19:19] <phillw> zkriesse: you will getting two extra people for the next SOD, possibly 3 :)
[19:19] <zkriesse> phillw: Rad my man
[19:20] <MH0> What pages are under sod?
[19:20] <zkriesse> All wiki/community help pages
[19:20] <phillw> any page that needs updating
[19:20] <zkriesse> Ok, lemme say it this way
[19:20] <MH0> oh so all help.ubuntu.com?
[19:20] <zkriesse> help.ubuntu.com/COMMUNITY
[19:21] <zkriesse> and wiki.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <MH0> Yeah
[19:21] <MH0> Duh I amskign too many Q's
[19:21] <MH0> So when will the switchover to the new theme take?
[19:22] <zkriesse> When the SoD project starts, and say, Bobby wants to edit help.ubuntu.com/community/examplepage for the SoD project, he would file a bug on the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod page, list the page URL, the nature of the bug/edit, and then list if it's been triaged, work in progress, etc
[19:22] <MH0> on help.ubuntu.com
[19:22] <zkriesse> That is a question which I have no answer atm
[19:22] <MH0> Triaged = Ready for SoD to work on?
[19:23] <zkriesse> Triaged is it's been taken care of
[19:23] <zkriesse> Or is being worked on
[19:23] <phillw> it may be worth mentioning that currently the italics is not working on the new scheme
[19:23] <MH0> pI noticed
[19:24] <MH0> phillw: ^^
[19:24] <phillw> the bug has been assigned to AlanBell
[19:24] <zkriesse> Or you can do "In Progress, Fix Committed, Confirmed, Invalid, Incomplete, Fix Released"
[19:24] <zkriesse> Those are the main ones I request ya use
[19:24] <UndiFineD> so we need more tagging, bugfiling and fixups
[19:24] <zkriesse> But if in doubt contact me or someone else who's done one
[19:24] <zkriesse> UndiFineD: BTW I got your request to join, pm me after meeting and we'll discuss it
[19:25] <UndiFineD> :)
[19:25] <MH0> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhpBB2 << This will be Outdated?
[19:25] <MH0> Its now PhpBB3 isnt it?
[19:26] <zkriesse> Well I imagine that some use PhpBB2 still so it's not current
[19:26] <phillw> MH0: some people still run it, but phpbb3 is the current version.
[19:26] <zkriesse> But neither is it outdated
[19:26] <MH0> Marked as Cleanup?
[19:27] <zkriesse> It would just be good to leave the page/check it for errors, and put an notice on the page either at the top or the bottom that phpBB3 is the current version and that it's page can be found at "foo"
[19:27] <phillw> MH0: the page would simply need a mention that there is now phpbb3 and a link.
[19:28] <zkriesse> After that it'd be fine to leave
[19:28] <MH0> zkriesse: Need to learn these TAAAGGGS off by heart :P
[19:28] <zkriesse> Just bookmark the page
[19:28] <zkriesse> As each tag links to a separate page with all the pages that have been tagged with that particular tag
[19:29] <MH0> Okies
[19:29] <MH0> Got the 2 wiki ninjas with me ;D
[19:29] <MH0> So, Anything else I would need to do as per SoD?
[19:29] <zkriesse> And if i page has been marked for removal OR you think it should be removed, don't do ANYTHING without first consulting phillw or myself
[19:30] <zkriesse> MH0: Just the usual after that, stay safe and curteous in editing as it's other peoples work that you're changing, make sure you edit correctly and always follow wiki guidelines
[19:30] <phillw> +1 I promised Phil Bull that I will retain a copy on my system and my server.
[19:31] <zkriesse> And always, ALWAYS talk to me or phillw if yo have a question
[19:31] <MH0> It says before adding Tags I need to consult Doc team?
[19:31] <zkriesse> Yes..you always should....or you can ask me or phillw and we'll find out for you
[19:31] <zkriesse> Which is why we hang out in #ubuntu-doc
[19:31] <phillw> MH0: yes you do need to do so.
[19:31] <MH0>  /joinign
[19:31] <MH0> Gah! keyboard
[19:32] <zkriesse> phillw: BTW can I have you join #ubuntu-beginners-wiki ?
[19:32] <zkriesse> That's pretty much topic 2
[19:32] <zkriesse> Before I jump onto topic 3 any questions?
[19:32] <MH0> It only took 20 mins *chuckle*
[19:32] <phillw> zkriesse: ....... yeah I will, but there is only so much of me to around the teams.
[19:33] <zkriesse> phillw: I just like to have yo there is all
[19:34] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic - 3 Whos still around?
[19:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Topic - 3 Whos still around?
[19:34] <UndiFineD> o/
[19:34] <MH0> o/ Im new, In a way
[19:34] <zkriesse> I figured i'd ask...is anyone around from last year in the team?
[19:34] <zkriesse> MH0: Yes...you're very new
[19:34] <phillw> zkriesse: done, and added to autojoin
[19:35] <zkriesse> phillw: Ty my good man
[19:35] <UndiFineD> and for me the same as phillw is having
[19:36] <zkriesse> Ok....i gues on to topic four then
[19:36] <zkriesse> [TOPIC] Topic 4 - Ideas/Suggestions and Q&A
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Topic 4 - Ideas/Suggestions and Q&A
[19:37] <zkriesse> I think the topic speaks for itself, any ideas? Bring em up...any suggestions? We buy those too...and we always sell Q&A
[19:38] <zkriesse> Anything? Anything at all?
[19:40] <UndiFineD> no you were quite clear :)
[19:40] <zkriesse> Well then I guess I shall end it the meeting
[19:40] <zkriesse> Thanks all for showing, I appreciate you coming and all the questions...afterwards ya can find me in #ubuntu-beginners-wiki for wiki/doc related matters
[19:41] <zkriesse> #endmeeting
[19:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:41.
[19:43]  * MH0 slacks
[19:44] <MH0> Meh, getting ready for Tour Meeting
[22:55] <redfelixk30> hallo at all