[00:06] <devush> hi trying to share the directory in 10.10 running on vmware player under XP host.
[00:06] <devush> i can ping the XP host from ubuntu and access the internet though vmware NAT setup.
[00:06] <devush>  but can not ping from the XP to ubuntu. ? is there any firewall by default. how to change that
[01:15] <HazRPG> hmmm, I appear to be getting DOS and Port Scans from freenode :/
[01:15] <HazRPG> anyone else getting this?
[01:16] <HazRPG> or at least I'm guessing 85.190.0.3 is freenode...
[01:18] <Azelphur> HazRPG: how do you figure it's a DoS?
[01:23] <HazRPG> Azelphur: My router logged and reported it as such
[01:24] <HazRPG> logged like 10 times
[01:24] <Azelphur> routers are generally stupid
[01:24] <Azelphur> my old one would continually log me playing TF2 as a DoS attack
[01:24] <HazRPG> my internet also went down not long after it logged those
[01:24] <Azelphur> it's probably just freenode scanning for open proxies, a lot of networks do that
[01:25] <HazRPG> yeah I know freenode does that - I remember reading it somewhere on their website under the terms of use or something like that
[01:27] <Azelphur> :)
[01:27]  * HazRPG always reads the fine print ;)
[01:28] <HazRPG> I was just checking to make sure it was a false negative on my router's part
[01:28] <HazRPG> might see if I can set up a rule to ignore that IP as a DoS
[01:30] <HazRPG> I really have a sudden urge to wipe my server... I blame hak5 for that lol
[01:30] <Azelphur> o.O
[01:31] <HazRPG> By the face I'm guessing you don't know what hak5 is then xD
[01:31] <HazRPG> hak5.org <== mega awesome sauce of a web-show
[01:31] <Azelphur> it's some tech blog?
[01:31] <HazRPG> sort of ... but in video form ;)
[01:32] <HazRPG> I've learned so much from these guys ever since they started up in 2005
[01:33] <HazRPG> I highly recommend season 6-7.
[01:33] <HazRPG> Think there's a torrent on their forum to grab the older episodes
[01:33] <Azelphur> cool :)
[01:35] <HazRPG> new stuff so far is CES conference stuff mainly, which has some awesome new gadgets n stuff coming out - but the thing that's really got me going is the cool project they've got going - making some a VPS of your own - and making a cluster of them too
[01:35] <HazRPG> [thus the reason I want to format my server haha]
[01:37] <HazRPG> That, and the fact that I REALLY want to get my hands dirty with some ubuntu server stuff
[01:37] <HazRPG> or debian - whichever
[01:37] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I already have a big ubuntu server :)
[01:38] <HazRPG> Azelphur: nice :P
[01:38] <Azelphur> HazRPG: http://game.azelphur.com/forum/low-down-new-server
[01:39] <hamitron> poser ;/
[01:41] <HazRPG> wow
[01:42] <Azelphur> :D
[01:42] <HazRPG> do your players help fund it?
[01:42] <Azelphur> HazRPG: yea
[01:43] <Azelphur> I get a bit off adsense too.
[01:43] <HazRPG> I mean I know that's a pretty decent price for that kind of server, but its not exactly pocket change :P
[01:43] <HazRPG> ah cool
[01:43] <Azelphur> HazRPG: you can see donation stats on the left
[01:43] <Azelphur> they include adsense too
[01:43] <HazRPG> cool
[01:44] <HazRPG> pretty impressive use of drupal there I must say :)
[01:44] <Azelphur> ty :D
[01:44] <HazRPG> theme hand coded?
[01:44] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I quite like the server status thing in the top left too
[01:44] <Azelphur> nope, the theme is pixture_reloaded
[01:45] <Azelphur> but the donations and server status thing is custom code
[01:45] <HazRPG> yeah I was going to say I've not seen those two before
[01:45] <HazRPG> ^^,
[01:45] <Azelphur> :)
[01:45] <Azelphur> the game servers have a plugin that updates their status in MySQL as it changes
[01:45] <Azelphur> and the website just pulls from that
[01:45] <hamitron> how long does stuff from boffer take to arrive azel?
[01:46] <Azelphur> hamitron: dunno, like a week?
[01:46] <hamitron> cool
[01:46] <hamitron> :)
[01:46] <hamitron> I got the pack of skype keyboards
[01:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:47] <HazRPG> boffer?
[01:47] <Azelphur> HazRPG: I have my own mini qdb/bash.org too in drupal :P
[01:47] <HazRPG> heh nice :P
[01:48] <HazRPG> never really messed around with drupal much, feel inspired to do so for my next rendition of my portfolio site
[01:48] <Azelphur> it's a great tool :)
[01:48] <HazRPG> my current one became more of a code template then an actual portfolio site :P
[01:48] <HazRPG> http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/
[01:49] <Azelphur> :)
[01:49] <HazRPG> should forward you to /port_mine/
[01:49] <Azelphur> yea
[01:49] <HazRPG> since / is my original one and it looks really dated now
[01:50] <HazRPG> for you to really get a feel of the template you'd have to see the proper php side of the code - however I also tried to make a nicely structured html side too
[01:51] <HazRPG> that way it could /potentially/ fit into any website
[01:51] <HazRPG> css-wise I mean
[01:54] <Azelphur> hehe :)
[01:57] <HazRPG> wow, I started that site in 2008 xD
[01:58] <HazRPG> it was used for this project http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/bat/ and they were quite happy with it, however hasn't been merged to the main site yet
[02:00] <Azelphur> :D
[02:06] <HazRPG> cos it was a "project" for uni to work for a company for free :/
[02:06] <HazRPG> it was me an 3 other dudes
[02:06] <HazRPG> I was doing the site, someone else did designs and another grabbed and formatted the content
[02:06] <HazRPG> I had the hard job basically - but well I'm good at it, or at least I'd say I was
[02:07] <HazRPG> and well, the content guy failed the year, so he's re-doing it
[02:07] <HazRPG> and well he's decided to continue doing the same project :/
[02:07] <HazRPG> which I think is a dumb move
[02:07] <HazRPG> since he's not a coder, by any means
[02:07] <HazRPG> but well whatever
[02:08] <HazRPG> it will, hopefully, replace this: http://borderairtraining.com/
[02:08] <HazRPG> which, sadly, looks a mess
[02:09] <HazRPG> I think I talk to much sometimes
[02:09] <HazRPG> too*
[02:09]  * HazRPG sits quietly
[02:13] <hamitron> :)
[02:14] <HazRPG> hamitron: sup dude :)
[02:16] <hamitron> just chilling
[02:16] <hamitron> literally
[02:16] <hamitron> cold again :/
[02:21] <HazRPG> same
[02:21] <HazRPG> can't wait for spring
[07:39] <matelot> can someone help me figure out why I can not access my home netwrok http server
[07:40] <matelot> from external
[07:58] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:58] <AlanBell> matelot: sounds like something you need to set up on your router
[07:59] <matelot> AlanBell I did port-forwarding, let me show
[08:00] <matelot> http running: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/328610/
[08:03] <matelot> port forwardiong: http://i.imgur.com/3gAQ6.jpg
[08:14] <AlanBell> matelot: I think that your http server is bound to localhost
[08:15] <matelot> AlanBell oh really , how to fix that ?
[08:15] <AlanBell> you have given it a port, but not an IP address
[08:15] <matelot> iI can see the page locally like : http://192.168.1.102:8080/
[08:16] <matelot> that's where I port-forwarding to (192.168.1.102)
[08:18] <AlanBell> oh ok, maybe it is working
[08:19] <AlanBell> so you can see it from another machine on your local network
[08:19] <AlanBell> the router settings look ok (although you are currently forwarding all ports from 80 to 8080 to that machine)
[08:20] <AlanBell> how are you testing it from the outside?
[08:42] <matelot> AlanBell: sorry just back now - I test from my workplace PC via RDP
[08:50] <AlanBell> fair enough
[08:52] <AlanBell> that should work
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - quiet in here isn't it?
[09:22] <AlanBell> BOO
[09:27] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:29] <AlanBell> would never have put you as an in the night garden fan czajkowski
[09:29] <czajkowski> thats it
[09:29] <AlanBell> iggle piggle and the tombelyboos and so on
[09:29] <czajkowski> more amusing is the mickey mouse and his tool kit game
[09:30] <czajkowski> yes
[09:30] <czajkowski> dora the explorer is also good, but a bit advanced for a 2 year old
[09:30] <AlanBell> ¡Hola!
[09:35] <czajkowski> :s
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> OUCH MY LEGS
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> (http://goo.gl/maps/BjXC)
[10:08] <gabrieluk> hello!
[10:12] <gabrieluk> Im using the touchpad of my laptop.why do i feel the mouse goes faster horizontal than vertical?
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> because there are more pixels horizontally and it's compensating?
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> also, humans are biased -- up/down things always seem smaller than left/right ones :)
[10:14] <gabrieluk> :)
[10:15] <gabrieluk> i dunno...it just feels wierd...it looks that whrn i go left/right goes faster...i dont have this feeling on windows or mac
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> I don't know what it could be
[10:19] <gabrieluk> btw,i'm loving being a linux guy finally :P
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> nice to hear
[10:20] <popey> morning all!
[10:20]  * MartijnVdS upgrades laptop to natty
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: morning!
[10:23] <daubers> Morning
[10:26] <DJones> Morning all
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> everyone's waking up :)
[10:26] <DJones> Heh
[10:27] <DJones> Is there a way to tell how much video memory is being used?
[10:28] <DJones> Or more specifically, how much is available
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> DJones: good question :)
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea how to look that up
[10:33] <DJones> One updates finish, I'll try installing sysinfo & hardinfo
[10:34] <DJones> s/One/Once
[10:34] <gabrieluk> DJones,this might help u http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1398776
[10:35] <Thingymebob> MartijnVdS: Use lspci to find you device then lspci -v -s 00:02.0 where the number represents the address of your video device
[10:36] <DJones> Hmmh, Memory at fecf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
[10:40] <gabrieluk> DJones,sry,i just "googled" that,the link does not answer
[10:40] <DJones> gabrieluk: No worries, I've found one that might help, but I think the answer is the 4K
[10:40] <DJones> actually, maybe not
[10:44] <gabrieluk> Is there a link with cool clt commands that i can "play" around to learn ubuntu?not a beginners guide,just a list with cool and usefull commands
[10:45] <Thingymebob> DJones: This is a nice one grep: -i ram /var/log/Xorg.0.log; grep -i mem /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:47] <DJones> Thingymebob: Thanks, 131072 KB
[10:49] <gabrieluk> look what i found,it might be usefull http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1543783
[10:53] <DJones> gabrieluk: "clt" commands, was that meant to be "cli" commands?
[10:54] <gabrieluk> lol,yes and no.clt ,control line terminal
[10:55] <gabrieluk> cli,control line interface,right?
[10:58] <DJones> !cli
[10:58] <DJones> Maybe something useful in that
[11:05] <gabrieluk> thanks,i dont know where i heard clt..lol
[11:07] <gabrieluk> !clt
[11:08] <gabrieluk> who  da heck told me clt...o myy
[11:27] <Thingymebob> gabrieluk: http://www.commandlinefu.com/
[11:38] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:40] <brobostigon> bbc news have killed click again, for other stuff, :(
[11:45] <bigcalm> popey: there's a fun little rollercoaster near the spawn point now :)
[13:03] <czajkowski> Aloha
[13:04] <brobostigon> afternoonings czajkowski
[13:09] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[13:28] <jacobw> good afternoon ubunteros
[13:28] <brobostigon> afternoonings jacobw
[13:29] <HazRPG> hey hey
[13:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG
[13:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: o/ :)
[13:29] <Gringo> guys quick question is there something similar to nero i can download?
[13:30] <AlanBell> brassero burns CDs and things
[13:30] <jacobw> Brasero is included in the default install
[13:30] <HazRPG> Gringo: for ubuntu? Use brassero
[13:30] <BigRedS> depensd how similar you're after. There is a pay-for Nero for Linux. Else K3B is quite close, and brasero less so but easier
[13:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :) o/
[13:30] <BigRedS> K3B involves a whole bunch of additional libraries that you'd probably rather not need to install
[13:31] <Gringo> brassero anygood? already in ubunto or i need to apt-get?
[13:31] <jacobw> I'd give Brasero a go first, seen as its in the default install it should meet the needs of most users
[13:31] <BigRedS> already there, but I think it goes by "CD burning" or something in the menu
[13:31] <HazRPG> Gringo: already in there dude ;)
[13:31] <Gringo> tried it but it broze on me
[13:31] <Gringo> i put wreritable disc dragged few mp3's and broze up
[13:31] <HazRPG> froze you mean?
[13:32] <Gringo> yes, sorry
[13:33] <Gringo> says starting recording but my dvd drive aint doing nothing
[13:34] <HazRPG> give it a moment, it'll start burning - are you making an audio CD?
[13:34] <HazRPG> if it is, it'll be normalising audio/etc
[13:34] <Gringo> i dragged few mp3,s to it, itsre-writeble disc
[13:36] <HazRPG> hmm, not sure - never tried a used a rewritable
[13:36] <Gringo> says burning audio cd, and starting to record under the the bar that goes across but the bar is stuck in the middle
[13:36] <brobostigon> help.ubuntu.com/community might be worth a look.
[13:37] <Gringo> any other program
[13:37] <HazRPG> Gringo: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[13:37] <Gringo> latest
[13:37] <brobostigon> 10.10 ?
[13:37] <brobostigon> 11.04?
[13:38] <Gringo> 10.04 (lucid)
[13:39] <Gringo> 64bit
[13:39] <HazRPG> Gringo: the reason brobostigon asks is because 10.10 is the last version released and 11.04 is the latest but still in alpha stages
[13:40] <HazRPG> Gringo: have you downloaded all the lastest updates/patches?
[13:40] <brobostigon> however 10.04 was the last LTS i believe,
[13:40] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah :)
[13:40] <HazRPG> Gringo: LTS = Long Term Support
[13:40] <Gringo> ah thanx, i downloaded it few days ago using wibi so i thought i had latest, how do i get 1010?
[13:41] <HazRPG> Gringo: you can either download an ISO for the latest from: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[13:41] <Gringo> what happens with the short term support?
[13:42] <HazRPG> Gringo: the way ubuntu works is, a new version is released every 6 months
[13:42] <HazRPG> which is where you get the version numbers "<Year>.<Month>"
[13:43] <HazRPG> so 10.10 = 2010 October
[13:43] <brobostigon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:43] <AlanBell> you can upgrade 10.04 to 10.10
[13:43] <Gringo> the short version will we still get support? if not what happens after 6 months
[13:43] <HazRPG> the LTS versions of ubuntu will be updated for 5 years I think
[13:43] <AlanBell> it won't prompt you to do so until the next LTS though
[13:43] <Gringo> and after 5 years? ubuntu no more?
[13:44] <brobostigon> Gringo: its describes the support periods onthe site mentioned.
[13:44] <Gringo> sorry guys im new to ubuntu always used windows
[13:44] <HazRPG> Gringo: its cool dude, don't worry - we were all there at one point too ;)
[13:44] <brobostigon> definatly, :)
[13:44] <brobostigon> we are here to help,Gringo :)
[13:44] <HazRPG> regular versions of ubuntu (not LTS) will still get updates for a year or 2 years I think?
[13:45] <HazRPG> oh, its 3 years
[13:45] <HazRPG> my mistake
[13:45] <HazRPG> so regular = 3 years support, LTS = 5 year support
[13:45] <AlanBell> there is a nice chart explaining it somewhere
[13:45] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah I was trying to find it :P
[13:45] <brobostigon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[13:45] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[13:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: On the ball there dude ;)
[13:46] <Gringo> after 3 years what does that exactly mean? we dont get ubuntu updates?
[13:46] <AlanBell> correct, but you have new versions you can upgrade to
[13:47] <HazRPG> Gringo: basically yeah - but after 3 years, there will have been 6 versions of ubuntu been released
[13:47] <AlanBell> updates are things like security fixes, small things that fix the versions of applications you already have
[13:47] <Gringo> oh i see but then u can upgrade to a new version and have further updates?
[13:47] <AlanBell> releases will take a load of applications up a full version level and could have more substantial changes
[13:48] <Gringo> how do i get 10.10 within ubuntu? package manager?
[13:49] <AlanBell> update manager
[13:49] <AlanBell> which is in the system menu somewhere
[13:49] <AlanBell> then go to the settings button
[13:50] <AlanBell> third tab is updates
[13:50] <brobostigon> however as its lts,dontyou have to tell it to allow upgrades to normalversios, and not just lts's.
[13:50] <AlanBell> at the bottom there is a dropdown "show new distribution releases"
[13:50] <Gringo> guys 1 more quick question, just click on the update manager and check for updates it found 3 but its saying not authenticated  you are about to install software that cant be authenticated, is this safe?
[13:50] <AlanBell> change that from "Long term support releases only" to "normal releases"
[13:51] <brobostigon> ah, i just noticed, :)
[13:51] <HazRPG> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the difference between a linux distro (e.g. ubuntu) and a microsoft release (e.g. Windows) is that linux is ever changing to fix bugs, errors, security, visuals of how things look, etc... so you'll find that updates for your system will happen almost daily or weekly of some kind.
[13:51] <AlanBell> HazRPG: nope, you are wrong :)
[13:51] <brobostigon> HazRPG: or even by minute or hour.
[13:52] <HazRPG> xD
[13:52] <Gringo> guys this updates are ok? not authenticated
[13:52] <AlanBell> Gringo: yeah, it is OK
[13:52] <HazRPG> Gringo: yeah dude, you won't have to worry as much as you do on a windows machine
[13:52] <Gringo> thanx guys i will try to upgrade and report back, thanx again guys , i appreciate your help
[13:53] <brobostigon> Gringo: pleasebackup, justtobe safe,before hand.
[13:53] <AlanBell> if you change that dropdown then update manager should offer a distribution upgrade to 10.10
[13:53] <HazRPG> Gringo: btw, another way to upgrade is by downloading the ISO and using the burned CD to upgrade
[13:53] <Gringo> i dont need firewall or antivirus? im only using firewall from my router
[13:53] <AlanBell> HazRPG: only the alternate CD
[13:53] <AlanBell> !firewall
[13:54] <AlanBell> !virus
[13:54] <HazRPG> AlanBell: does ubuntu not accept upgrades from CD anymore?
[13:54] <AlanBell> HazRPG: not the live CD as it doesn't contain the packaged packages as such
[13:54] <brobostigon> ie, proper debian packages.
[13:54] <HazRPG> AlanBell: oh, heh I thought it worked on both
[13:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I'm sure back in 6.06 I upgrade to 6.10 via a LiveCD :s
[13:57] <HazRPG> upgraded*
[13:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: was it ncurses or live installation  ?
[14:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ?
[14:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: the installation cd method, you used.
[14:01] <HazRPG> I could have sworn when I popped the LiveCD back then of 6.10 it asked if I wanted to use it as a repo, and then update-manager suggested an upgrade using the disc
[14:01] <brobostigon> HazRPG: as the ncurses,ie alternate installer has proper debian packages. however the live cd doesnt.
[14:01] <HazRPG> it still had to download a few files during install - but was handy
[14:02] <HazRPG> you know, could easily have been the alt-CD but I didn't realise
[14:02] <HazRPG> (I always download all versions, since I can distribute it around to people :))
[14:02] <AlanBell> I think the live CD has about 3 packages on it so it does prompt you but it doesn't actually do much
[14:03] <HazRPG> brobostigon: personally I find it's easier to keep /home on a separate partition and just re-install the whole O/S from scratch ^^,
[14:03] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i test both ways, sometimes it works better than others,
[14:04] <brobostigon> personally i prefer, the alternate cd, as i like the ncurses debian installer.
[14:04] <AlanBell> contents of the /pool directory on 10.04 LTS http://paste.ubuntu.com/559896/
[14:05] <AlanBell> you can do a magic trick where you do an over the top install without nuking /home and without separate partitions
[14:06] <HazRPG> really?
[14:06] <Azelphur> AlanBell: you own omg ubuntu?
[14:06] <AlanBell> I think popey may have written about it somewhere
[14:06] <AlanBell> Azelphur: gah, no
[14:06] <Azelphur> haha
[14:07]  * Nafallo waits for btrfs to land instead
[14:07] <AlanBell> d00d and humphreybc do
[14:07] <AlanBell> Azelphur: why on earth would you think that?
[14:07] <Azelphur> I see :)
[14:07] <Azelphur> your recent twitter post says "Our exclusive interview with Linus Torvalds" and links to omgubuntu
[14:07] <HazRPG> xD
[14:08] <AlanBell> links to a post on OMG entitled "Our exclusive interview with Linus Torvalds"
[14:08] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:09] <AlanBell> http://www.ohso.co/about.html
[14:10] <Azelphur> fun :p
[14:10] <Azelphur> sigh, x freeze again :(
[14:11] <Azelphur> haha, thats interesting
[14:11] <Azelphur> since X crashed twice in a matter of minutes i decided to reboot
[14:11] <AlanBell> popey is now running a session in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> Thingymebob: that's total video memory, not "in use" or "unused" :)
[14:12] <Azelphur> now it says device /home is busy
[14:12] <AlanBell> do go watch/heckle
[14:12] <AlanBell>                     ^^^^^^ actually don't do that bit
[14:12] <Azelphur> xD
[14:13] <AlanBell> The session is called "How to fix a broken machine"
[14:13] <Azelphur> there, got my PC back up after the X crash now :P
[14:16] <Pendulum> sounds like Azelphur could use popey's session...
[14:17] <Azelphur> haha
[14:17] <Azelphur> Pendulum: I doubt his session will cover quad screen setups which cause X instability
[14:17] <Pendulum> fair enough
[14:17] <Azelphur> I am in there though :D
[15:03] <popey> wish i had more time to cover more stuff
[15:04] <AlanBell> it was good
[15:04] <AlanBell> and I appreciated the chicken hilight in it :)
[15:04] <popey> hehe :)
[15:14]  * czajkowski has some fillet steak in, pepper sauce and potato gratins
[15:14] <czajkowski> just made some white chocolate buns :D
[15:16] <AlanBell> they do look nice
[15:16] <czajkowski> :D
[15:21] <HazRPG> hmmm, anyone know if its costly to use a CNC machine?
[15:22] <HazRPG> OMG HE'S GOING TO MAKE A PORTAL SHIRT!
[15:22] <HazRPG> :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O !!!!!!!!
[15:23] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you're getting far too domestic :P Where's the JD?
[15:23] <czajkowski> Pendulum: bottle of wine
[15:23] <HazRPG> heh, that was meant for a different chat... but still!
[15:24]  * HazRPG watching The Ben Heck Show
[15:24] <HazRPG> engineering ftw!
[15:24] <czajkowski> Pendulum: Red and white
[16:22]  * Neoti now has ubuntu 10.10 on my new system!!! \0/
[16:22] <brobostigon> :)
[16:23] <Neoti> hey brobostigon. hows u
[16:24] <brobostigon> Neoti: alittlecool, myhip and backhurt, but otherwise good. how about you?
[16:24] <Neoti> i have a couple broken nails my leg hurts .... just put a bed up .... can sleep a lot better tonight !! yey ...
[16:26]  * brobostigon gets Neoti a drink,
[16:27]  * Neoti accepts drink!!..... suggests a coffee for us both!!
[16:27] <samuel> ;p
[16:27]  * czajkowski grins at AlanBell 
[16:27] <brobostigon> scp --- Pot of coffee ------ Neoti's Hand
[16:28] <Neoti> Nice!!! ....
[16:28]  * Neoti off to make a well deserved coffee.....
[16:28] <samuel> whts this about
[16:29] <brobostigon> samuel: we are the uk ubuntu loco itc channel.
[16:29] <brobostigon> irc*
[16:30] <samuel> righty ho, im quite new to ubuntu and ll
[16:31] <bigcalm> Neoti: on 1st read, I thought you had broken a couple of nails while installing Ubuntu 10.10
[16:32] <brobostigon> samuel: welcome, :)
[16:32] <samuel> thanks :)
[16:32] <brobostigon> :)
[16:33] <samuel> forgive me for being dumb but whats an irc channel
[16:34] <bigcalm> This is
[16:34] <brobostigon> yes.
[16:34] <bigcalm> #ubuntu-uk is an IRC channel
[16:34] <brobostigon> onthe network freenode
[16:35] <samuel> yes i see.
[16:35] <bigcalm> Freenode is a network of IRC servers. Within that network, you have thousands of channels
[16:35] <brobostigon> irc = internet relay chat
[16:35] <samuel> what does it get used for?
[16:35] <brobostigon> samuel: you name it.
[16:35] <bigcalm> Conversations such as this :)
[16:35] <samuel> :0)
[16:36] <samuel> would i be right in saying that it one could use it for I.T support??
[16:37] <brobostigon> samuel: yes, :)
[16:37] <brobostigon> like here, :)
[16:37] <samuel> thats cool
[16:37] <HazRPG> samuel: delayed, but welcome :)
[16:37] <jacobw> that is the primary function of this channel
[16:38] <HazRPG> indeed
[16:38] <bigcalm> Well, within the realms of Ubuntu anyways
[16:38] <bigcalm> -s
[16:38] <HazRPG> one of the many frequents of this channel should be able to help with most problems ubuntu related - if not, we try our best to see if we can find a solution somewhere
[16:39] <jacobw> it isn't a guarantee though, everybody here is a volunteer and isn't obliged to answer any given question
[16:39] <jacobw> but most people try to answer most questions
[16:40] <samuel> seems convenient
[16:40] <HazRPG> oh, don't feel insulted if no one replies straight away, remember some people are logged in on here from work, home, etc so some of them might not be around when you asked the question straight away - but they do try their best as soon as they do become available
[16:42] <HazRPG> some people might have also seen the question and have started looking it up for you, and will reply when they've found a solution - all depends on the type of people
[16:43] <samuel> ok well thankyou all and thanks for the warm welcome
[16:43] <HazRPG> no problem, hope to see you around :)
[16:44] <HazRPG> I find it odd that we only really get like 152 people in this channel
[16:44] <HazRPG> or sometimes a bit more
[16:44] <HazRPG> would have thought there was more people in the UK using ubuntu than that
[16:44] <mattt> anyone in/around london want to buy a relatively new msi wind u230 netbook?  :D
[16:45]  * HazRPG lives far north
[16:45]  * brobostigon also, kinda,south midlands.
[16:46] <HazRPG> brb
[16:49]  * Neoti had a nice cup of coffee.... back now
[16:50]  * jacobw has also just had a nice cup of coffee
[16:50] <jacobw> milk first ftw
[16:51] <brobostigon> Neoti: me too, a nice coffee aswell. :)
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: some people in this channel aren't in the uk at all ;)
[16:54] <mattt> MartijnVdS: then get out!
[16:54] <mattt> (kidding)
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[16:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... but they are brits though right?
[16:54]  * MartijnVdS is Dutch
[16:54] <HazRPG> I mean I know ball is british...
[16:54] <HazRPG> oh really?
[16:55]  * HazRPG hugs MartijnVdS
[16:55] <mattt> MartijnVdS: where in nl?
[16:55]  * brobostigon also hugs MartijnVdS 
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: in the middle between all the big cities :)
[16:55] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I fucking love love nl dude
[16:55] <jacobw> did you know that hjkl scrolls in evince the same that it does in vi?
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> mattt: (in a town called "Alphen")
[16:56] <HazRPG> I would really love to go to the Blender studio in amsterdam!
[16:56] <mattt> MartijnVdS: unsurprisingly, never heard of it :D
[16:56] <OmNomSequitur> What's the maximum amount of RAM a 64-bit Ubuntu install can address?
[16:56] <jacobw> "the continent" ftw
[16:56] <mattt> would love to do a road trip through holland
[16:56] <HazRPG> OmNomSequitur: Err... lots?
[16:57] <OmNomSequitur> ...
[16:57] <brobostigon> OmNomSequitur: its probebly inthe terabytes.
[16:57] <HazRPG> OmNomSequitur: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[16:57] <Nafallo> hopefully more than terabytes :-)
[16:57] <HazRPG> OmNomSequitur: 16EB enough?
[16:57] <Nafallo> otherwise we'll need 128-bit soon.
[16:57] <brobostigon> petabytes.
[16:57]  * mattt heads off to watch the game
[16:57] <jacobw> OmNomSequitur: 2^64 bits i imagine
[16:58] <jacobw> give or take a few :p
[16:58] <HazRPG> 16.8 Million TB ;)
[16:58] <brobostigon> :)
[16:58] <HazRPG> OmNomSequitur: which is why I said lots ;)
[16:58]  * Nafallo grins
[16:58] <Nafallo> the initial response was off by a "few millions"
[16:59]  * brobostigon wishes the football away.
[16:59] <HazRPG> erm, your more likely to find limits within your hardware then you are the operating system
[16:59]  * HazRPG agrees with brobostigon
[16:59] <MartijnVdS> mattt: in the middle between Amsterdam and Rotterdam (north/south), and in the middle between Utrecht and Leiden (east/west)
[16:59]  * HazRPG goes to make himself a shisha pipe with some watermelon tobacco :)
[17:00] <Nafallo> hardware wise the biggest I've seen in a single system is 4TB.
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> mattt: or just check google maps :P
[17:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I've been to both Utrecht and Amsterdam :)
[17:00] <jacobw> :o that's huge
[17:00] <HazRPG> I stayed in Utrecht, but took the train to Amsterdam, what a lovely country :)
[17:01] <brobostigon> and greatbeer, :)
[17:01] <HazRPG> totally :)
[17:01]  * HazRPG was really amused by the bicycle parks xD
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they're useful
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: we have an apple-shaped bicycle park here :)
[17:05] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.metaalnieuws.nl/nieuws/4826/fiets-stallen-in-een-appel-van-thermisch-verzinkt-staal-.html
[17:29] <HazRPG> haha awesome
[17:29] <HazRPG> just loaded his shisha pipe
[17:29] <HazRPG> almost time to smoke :)
[17:30] <HazRPG> cherry flavour :)
[17:30] <HazRPG> (this is what happens when one gets too lazy to go to the shop to get cigs xD)
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> that, or you quit :P
[17:31] <HazRPG> that would be too easy xD
[17:31] <bigcalm> Good luck
[17:32]  * brobostigon wants a pipe like the one HazRPG has.
[17:32] <gord> phew, finally finished my minecraft project
[17:33] <HazRPG> brobostigon: they're awesome :)
[17:34] <brobostigon> HazRPG: however to do so, iwould either have to into the shed, according to out rental agreement, i am not allowed to smoke inside.
[17:34] <brobostigon> our*
[17:34] <HazRPG> heh the joys of my parents working abroad :)
[17:34] <brobostigon> :)
[17:34] <HazRPG> also, mum smokes so she doesn't mind
[17:35] <brobostigon> i see.
[17:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i think iwill have to make a geek leir, a build a shed with electricity and heating etc.
[17:36] <gord> i don't let anyone smoke in my house, not sure if its against my rental agreement, but its sure against gords "i don't want my house to stink of smoke" rule
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> gord: I have that rule as well :)
[17:36] <dutchie> gord: what is your minecraft project?
[17:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: go for it :P
[17:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i think i will save abit of money, and do it,
[17:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: problem solved then.
[17:37] <gord> dutchie, its on popeys server
[17:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ^^,
[17:38] <HazRPG> I've never done much in the ways of woodworks... but I'll lend a hand if ya want :)
[17:38] <brobostigon> brobostigon's geek leir, :)
[17:38] <dutchie> i was hoping to get some work done today and not play minecraft
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> "Welcome to my underground lair"
[17:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thank you for the offer.
[17:38] <dutchie> oh well
[17:38] <HazRPG> I'm good with network cables, a crimp tool, etc
[17:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: thts would definatly be helpful.
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: can you do wireless cables?
[17:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: xD
[17:39] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: lay cables under the back lawn.
[17:39]  * HazRPG <== doesn't trust wireless
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you need better quality wifi cables :)
[17:39] <brobostigon> :)
[17:40] <HazRPG> nah, all you need is some CAT5/6 and some bare copper wires
[17:40] <HazRPG> rap copper wires around CAT5/6
[17:40] <HazRPG> attach each end to an antenna... sorted
[17:41] <HazRPG> wireless cables xD
[17:43] <brobostigon> :)
[17:47] <HazRPG> gonna see if the phones have been reinstated in egypt and give my mum a call - see how the Egyptians are doing
[17:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i saw earlier, they were. on one of the rss i am subscribed to.
[17:50]  * brobostigon swears he heard a cracking noise when he just moved.
[17:51] <Pendulum> brobostigon: that does happen sometimes
[17:51] <suprengr> brobostigon:  that'll be the the splinter in the finger
[17:51] <suprengr> [..& hi all o/  ]
[17:51] <brobostigon> Pendulum: yes, i am just concerned as to idf it was related to my osteoporosis.
[17:52] <brobostigon> suprengr: nope.
[17:52] <Pendulum> brobostigon: fair enough. I've got a condition called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome so I constantly snap, crackle, and pop
[17:53]  * suprengr thinks whooops... made a boo boo there
[17:53] <brobostigon> Pendulum: ah, interesting.
[17:56] <Pendulum> brobostigon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehlers%E2%80%93Danlos_syndrome (if you're interested)
[17:56] <brobostigon> Pendulum: thank you, yes.
[17:57] <Pendulum> brobostigon: if you have questions, feel free to PM me
[17:58] <brobostigon> Pendulum: will do, :)
[17:58] <Pendulum> (although it looks like I may be teaching a class now so I may take some time to respond ;) )
[17:59] <brobostigon> no worries.
[18:00] <Neoti> Hey people i need a screen capturing program like greenshot or snagit for ubuntu .... any ideas ?
[18:06] <suprengr> Neoti: Video or still? For normal screen capture 'with a plus' [better choices] try looking at "Shutter" -  in normal repos / software manager... & normal 'don't blame me's' apply,
[18:08] <Neoti> i need one for stills and one for doing screen casts like on my vblog here http://www.youtube.com/uandmeboth12?gl=GB&hl=en-GB
[18:08] <DJones> !screencast
[18:19] <selinuxium> Hi all
[18:25] <HazRPG> woo, families doing ok
[18:26] <HazRPG> although apparently they started throwing tear gas on the street where my mum lives
[18:26] <HazRPG> joys lol
[18:26] <brobostigon> thats good to hear, they are ok.
[18:28] <HazRPG> tottaly
[18:29] <HazRPG> Hopefully Mubarak will be a good boy and step down ^^,
[18:30] <directhex> HazRPG, no problems calling them? i guess the phones are back?
[18:31] <directhex> oh no, looters hit the egypt museum /o\
[18:31] <popey> evening all
[18:32] <HazRPG> directhex: yeah, just came back on a few hrs ago apparently lol
[18:32] <HazRPG> popey: evening
[18:32] <HazRPG> directhex: really!?
[18:32] <HazRPG> directhex: you watching the news?
[18:33] <directhex> HazRPG, i am
[18:33] <HazRPG> directhex: ... I need to get me a TV in this room T_T
[18:33] <bigcalm> Evening popey
[18:33] <directhex> HazRPG, online streaming
[18:33]  * HazRPG light bulb flashes over head
[18:33] <Pendulum> HazRPG: glad your family is okay!
[18:34]  * HazRPG facepalms himself
[18:34] <HazRPG> thanks :)
[18:34] <HazRPG> I think we should make an open-sourced government for them xD
[18:35] <directhex> http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
[18:39] <HazRPG> directhex: yeah, I was watching it :P
[18:40] <HazRPG> but the arabic version
[18:40] <HazRPG> sometimes its funny to stop the differences in news
[18:40] <directhex> HazRPG, my arabic isn't quite good enough for the news
[18:41] <HazRPG> :p
[18:41] <HazRPG> directhex: wait, you know arabic at all?
[18:41] <directhex> no!
[18:41] <HazRPG> ^^,
[18:45] <popey> anyone on natty noticed the "grab handles" for resizing a window up or left are _outside_ the window?
[18:47] <HazRPG> gotta love english news, and trying to pronounce names right xD
[18:48] <HazRPG> altho its spent tahrir - its sort of pronounced as Tah-rear
[18:48]  * czajkowski yawns 
[18:48] <HazRPG> popey: don't think I have dude
[18:48] <popey> are you on natty now in unity?
[18:49] <HazRPG> nah, not right now
[18:49] <HazRPG> got it on my laptop
[18:49] <HazRPG> which is off
[18:49] <HazRPG> I'll check it in a moment, gotta go sort something else out first
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> AlJazeera English is also on freeview and freesat
[18:53] <HazRPG> still need a tv ;)
[18:53] <popey> AIUI a new satellite is going up to sit with Astra ones in place and will have a smaller footprint MartijnVdS
[18:54] <popey> apparently channels will move to that so you scummy europeans cant steal our telly :)
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: Not if the channel islands need to keep "in focus" :)
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: and Northern Ireland
[18:54] <popey> it's quite a funky footprint
[18:54] <HazRPG> rofl
[18:54] <HazRPG> really?
[18:54] <HazRPG> that's just plain daft
[18:55] <HazRPG> they should make a world network - to share all channels
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: also, Al Jazeera English is on Astra 1 as well, so I can watch it anyway
[18:55] <HazRPG> that would be awesome :)
[18:55] <popey> sure
[18:55] <popey> I meant more our beloved BBC :)
[18:55] <HazRPG> oh lol
[18:55] <popey> Don't want you watching Total Wipeout (UK Edition) now do we!
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'll find a way of watching :)
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: don't worry
[18:55]  * popey shakes fist at europeans
[18:55] <HazRPG> torrents \o/
[18:56] <HazRPG> er, I mean iPlayer via VPN!
[18:56] <HazRPG> er... I mean
[18:56] <HazRPG> don't do illegal things people!
[18:56] <brobostigon> get_iplaayer via a proxy
[18:56] <HazRPG> *fags fingers*
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: do you know the name of the new sat?
[18:57] <popey> no
[18:57] <popey> someone at work was talking about it
[18:57] <popey> ITVHD isnt on freesat is it?
[18:57] <HazRPG> I want BASR :(
[18:57] <Nafallo> yeah... cause that works so well with the Internet :-P (global network, except Egypt)
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: it is
[18:58] <popey> is c4hd?
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: no
[18:58] <popey> ah, that was it
[18:58] <HazRPG> Nafallo: ?
[18:58] <popey> yeah, C4HD will move over to the new satellite so it will appear on freesat
[18:58] <HazRPG> Badr <== I mean
[18:59] <HazRPG> that's the satellite I want to pick up
[18:59] <HazRPG> or nilesat/arabsat/hotbird
[18:59]  * HazRPG missing watching arabic films
[18:59] <Nafallo> HazRPG: what?
[18:59] <directhex> hotbird 6 you can get from the uk
[18:59] <HazRPG> directhex: oh realy?
[19:00] <directhex> HazRPG, you'll need a dish pointed at it, of course
[19:00] <HazRPG> I bought a box from egypt last time I was there, just need a dish to go side-by-side my astra (sky) one
[19:00] <HazRPG> directhex: obviously ^,^
[19:00] <directhex> HazRPG, cyfra+ runs on HB6/8/9, and plenty of polish people in the UK tune that
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: Someone projected the "horror footprint" (used by Polish channels to keep them inside Poland) onto the UK: http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/jalumsx/footprint.jpg
[19:03] <HazRPG> directhex: apparently BADR4 can be picked up in the UK: http://www.arabsat.com/pages/BADR4.aspx
[19:03] <HazRPG> can imagine it being weak though
[19:03] <gabrieluk> Hya.Is there any free software for email marketing for ubuntu?
[19:03] <directhex> HazRPG, you'll need a 1m dish
[19:03]  * popey points gabrieluk at AlanBell who may know the answer
[19:04] <directhex> HazRPG, maybe 135cm
[19:04] <popey> gabrieluk: when you say "email marketing" do you mean "spam"?
[19:04] <gabrieluk> AlanBell,that one is for ya
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: kingofsat.net for channel lists per satellite, to see if a sat is visible: http://www.dishpointer.com/
[19:04] <HazRPG> directhex: so tempting to just a a MASSIVE one
[19:04] <directhex> HazRPG, a 2m dish would get you badr6
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if it's visible, and you're in the footprint, and have a large enough dish, you can receive :)
[19:04] <HazRPG> I think my dad got a 2m dish in saudi xD
[19:04] <gabrieluk> popey,yes ,kind of...i have a list of 5000 ,and i want to send them html email
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> I know people have 2m dishes in Turkey to get Dutch tv from Astra 1 and 3
[19:04] <popey> gabrieluk: :(
[19:05] <gabrieluk> is not really spam,cause they are rellated to the theme of the email,altough they dont know me
[19:05] <popey> did they ask for the mail?
[19:05] <gabrieluk> no
[19:06] <popey> thats spam then
[19:06] <gabrieluk> hehe,so i will be a spamer,if you want to label a simple email campaign ;P
[19:06] <popey> :(
[19:06] <gabrieluk> whats the problem then,this is normal,you have a product ,and you want to reach people
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: we'll see :)
[19:07] <popey> it may be "normal" but that doesn't make it "right"
[19:08] <directhex> freedom 0
[19:08] <gabrieluk> this is done for thousand of companies man,don't make me look the bad guy....i'm looking for sponsorship for a free project
[19:08] <popey> freedom 0 doesn't force people to support duff practices
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: good thing the new satellites won't launch until q4-2012 :P
[19:09] <popey> :) MartijnVdS
[19:09] <gabrieluk> popey,so u are saying you are the anti-spam guy?lol
[19:09] <popey> did I say that?
[19:09] <gabrieluk> well,it looks like
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> aren't most people anti-spam?
[19:09] <popey> clearly not
[19:09] <directhex> gabrieluk, i don't know of any email marketing software, but it's not something anyone here has much experience with. the problem you'll face, as always, is pushing enough SMTP traffic. you can't just run your own locall, since it'll get greylisted, and no relays like spammers
[19:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i would say yes.
[19:10] <gabrieluk> well,if is a bad spam to millions of people yes...but if  is for a noble cause ,for few thousands..that are related with the topic somehow is different,isn't?
[19:10] <czajkowski> most unsolicited mail I get gets marked as junk and added to spam list
[19:10] <BigRedS> gabrieluk: not IMO
[19:11] <HazRPG> wish I knew how to mount a satellite dish :/
[19:11] <BigRedS> unsolicited 'charity' email generally just lowers my opinion of the charity
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you're on the internet
[19:11] <directhex> HazRPG, with some bolts!
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there are 100s of howtos :)
[19:11] <gabrieluk> kk,so here i am,i new spammer in the area...hope i wont be crucified :(
[19:11] <HazRPG> yeah, but it helps when the dish you buy comes with all the bits xD
[19:12] <BigRedS> But, even with permission to send mass mail out (from the recipients) It's *hard* to send it out with any gurantee that everyone will get it
[19:12] <HazRPG> the instructions I got, was NO WHERE NEAR close to what was in the box
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there are forums full of people who can help ;)
[19:12] <HazRPG> and there were bits missing (I'm pretty sure of it) or rather bits for other things :s
[19:12] <directhex> gabrieluk, i don't think there's any spam software in the archive, so your best bet is just to google about
[19:12] <HazRPG> spam software?
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: do you have a dish only? does it include an LNB?
[19:13] <gabrieluk> lol.spam software....i feel like a hacker already ,doing nasty things...nasty,nasty
[19:13] <popey> reminds me, I should put my quad-lnb up
[19:13] <HazRPG> I have 2 LNB's from Egypt, A receiver (also from Egypt) and a dish
[19:13] <HazRPG> isn't spam software called scripts? And usually it's the script kiddies that use them?
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: find a satellite forum, there are loads of people who can help online
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not always
[19:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I can see myself putting a massive hole in the wall and fudging it up somehow xD
[19:15] <BigRedS> It *is* possible to have a lot of people who have signed up to receive your email...
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: when that happens, call someone to repair it :)
[19:16] <HazRPG> BigRedS: yeah, but normally that'd be done in php - and called mailing lists :P
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> proper mailing lists are python anyway
[19:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Good point. Think I need to get me some better drills and drill bits.
[19:16] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: you mean launchpad? :-)
[19:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Really?
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: mailman
[19:17] <HazRPG> arghhh really need smokes now xD, brb shops
[19:17] <popey> \o/ mailman
[19:17] <HazRPG> popey: btw, I had the same troubles on laptop as you mentioned earlier
[19:17] <HazRPG> postal \o/
[19:17]  * brobostigon scp's HazRPG some of his kentucky tobacco.
[19:17] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: sounds more like flesh and blood :-P
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: pythons are flesh and blood :P
[19:18] <popey> doesnt the author of mailman work for canonical now?
[19:18] <popey> he wrote the mailing list bit of launchpad
[19:19] <gabrieluk> talking about canonical,have you guys ever had an experience with their paid support?any good?#
[19:20]  * popey points to jpds 
[19:20] <popey> hey jpds, what's canonicals paid support like? :D
[19:20]  * czajkowski hands popey a bun 
[19:20] <Nafallo> jpds is not sales :-)
[19:21] <popey> heh
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: and you are? :P
[19:21] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: no
[19:22] <Nafallo> *sigh* what have I eaten to make my tummy feel so achy :-/
[19:22]  * brobostigon should really not put his beer on his desk within arm reach.
[19:22] <czajkowski> Nafallo: too many crazy energy drinks?
[19:23] <Nafallo> czajkowski: almost none. I've gone over to water.
[19:23] <czajkowski> oh MY Jack Daniels!
[19:24] <Nafallo> one of the Tesco foods must have been bad.
[19:24]  * Nafallo takes anti-ache pills
[19:25]  * Nafallo idly wonders of he's with Alien...
[19:26] <suprengr> HazRPG: are you trying to contact / help Egypt?
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/29/ot-the-return-of-the-chillies/
[19:27]  * mattt needs help w/ his taxes -- any recommendations for a personal tax expert?  :)
[19:34] <HazRPG> suprengr: how do you mean?
[19:34] <HazRPG> suprengr: contacted mum using my skype credit
[19:35] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: oh yeah, you were saying do the dish myself - I hate heights >_<
[19:35] <suprengr> HazRPG:  as in... if u are you trying to contact & help Egypt democracy? I hope this helps.  Good luck. try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/560007/
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if you have a good view of the horizon, you can mount a dish waist-high if you want to :)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you can do that as long as you can see the horizon from where the dish is
[19:36] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: interesting
[19:37] <HazRPG> I think I should be able to from my garden where the sky dish is
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: check that dishpointer site -- it'll tell you a minimum height
[19:37] <HazRPG> although that's high up, but might be able to do it :)
[19:37] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: cool
[19:38] <HazRPG> need to get a better bracket to hold the dish with, since the one I got doesn't assemble right
[19:38] <HazRPG> i.e. doesn't assemble at all to the dish xD
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: call someone to do it for you :)
[19:38] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: that means spending lots of money xD
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not lots... if it's a good guy he should be able to do it in less than an hour
[19:39] <HazRPG> I guess
[19:39] <HazRPG> I'll look into it
[19:39] <HazRPG> need to fix the electric shower too :/
[19:40] <HazRPG> which has decided to stop producing enough hot water (more like warm) and pressure :/
[19:40] <HazRPG> shouldn't be too hard to do that though
[19:40] <HazRPG> I think
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I want one of these: http://www.wavefrontier.us/images/CPIC_Boise.gif
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: up to 16 satellites at once :)
[19:41] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: haha nice
[19:41] <HazRPG> what are they called?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> Wavefrontier T90
[19:41] <HazRPG> or is it a special dish that does that?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> what kind of dish do you have?
[19:42] <HazRPG> errrmm... moment xD
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that's the whole thing, dish + extra reflector = T90
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (it's one set: the dish and reflector need to be calibrated)
[19:44] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah
[19:44] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: the one I've got is a fortec star I think
[19:44] <HazRPG> 90cm
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: just a normal offset dish then :)
[19:45] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: indeed
[19:45] <HazRPG> but like I said, the thing doesn't assemble right :/
[19:46]  * brobostigon noms on roast chicken and curried couscous. :)
[19:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: well the back panel of the dish is there, and the arm that comes out of the front of the dish... however the stand, just seems like it came with the wrong parts and doesn't assemble right
[19:48] <HazRPG> the instructions given were completely wrong too
[19:49] <HazRPG> also fearful that the 90cm dish won't be adequate enough to pick up the satellites I want
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you want BADR6 right?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> you'd need almost 2m of dish
[19:49] <HazRPG> well I have two LNB's so would be nice to get BADR6, and either hotbird or nilesat
[19:50] <HazRPG> think nilesat would be out of reach altogether though :(
[19:50]  * HazRPG feels like a dumbass right now
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> also 2m
[19:51] <HazRPG> just tried to access nilesat.com.eg ... but well Egypt's internet is off xD
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> Some sat experts in the Netherlands say they can barely see Nilesat's carrier waves
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yeah, we should call it "gypt" now.. not so much E-
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[19:52] <HazRPG> ;)
[19:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: did you ask someone or something?
[19:53] <HazRPG> "sat experts"
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no, I'm on a Dutch sat forum, and it has a "Search" button :)
[19:53] <mattt> MartijnVdS: ha!
[19:53] <HazRPG> ah xD
[19:55] <HazRPG> essentially, if I can access Nile TV (pref the english one, cos they usually show subbed arabic films :) - and well my arabic isn't perfect), MBC1-4, MBC Action, Mazzika, Melody, *thinks* and other arabic channels ... me would be happy :)
[19:55]  * brobostigon wonders if HazRPG can lend him his pipe, as brobostigon cant find his pipe. :(
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: find a UK sat forum, find the experts/real hobbyists :)
[19:56] <HazRPG> :P
[20:02] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ooo! Nile TV International (the english one) is apparently on hotbird :D
[20:04] <HazRPG> don't seem to recognise any of these other ones T_T
[20:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: found it , yay:)
[20:04] <HazRPG> http://www.lyngsat.com/hotbird.html
[20:04] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[20:04] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: lyngsat and kingofsat.net are your friend :)
[20:04] <HazRPG> yeah lyngsat is my favourite site to view
[20:05]  * brobostigon goes into existng cold shed, with his eeepc for abit.
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't have the frequencies in enough detail sometimes
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: time to freeze LIKE A MAN
[20:05] <HazRPG> true
[20:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, :(
[20:05] <HazRPG> I want that satellite you showed me earlier T_T
[20:05] <HazRPG> what was it called again?
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the dish, you mean? Wavefrontier T90
[20:06] <HazRPG> yeah, thanks :)
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/dish-setup-single-sat-multi-sat-motorised-systems/87844-wave-frontier-t90-where-get.html
[20:08] <brobostigon> hopefully the eeepc will survive th cold, ?
[20:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: just run some cpu-intensive stuff on it ;)
[20:08] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes,
[20:09]  * brobostigon fires up blender
[20:09] <HazRPG> surely cold = good for PC's right?
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can overclock it better
[20:09] <brobostigon> HazRPG: moisture is more difficult,
[20:09] <HazRPG> true...
[20:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: torcs ?
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:10] <HazRPG> but, but, but... water cooling xD
[20:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its an opengl car racing game.
[20:10] <brobostigon> damn, forgot m beer, :(
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> good idea! beer!
[20:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Chris Jones] Monitoring an Apple Airport Express/Extreme with Munin - http://www.tenshu.net/archives/2011/01/29/monitoring-an-apple-airport-expressextreme-with-munin/
[20:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] OT  The return of the Chillies - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/29/ot-the-return-of-the-chillies/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ot-the-return-of-the-chillies
[20:17]  * brobostigon goes back inside, into the warm.
[20:17] <AlanBell> oh, chilli planting season :)
[20:17] <brobostigon> igive up.
[20:21] <popey> brobostigon: hmm?
[20:21] <popey> it could be minecraft'o'clock
[20:21] <Pendulum> yay for warmth!
[20:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: am I right in thinking that non of the american satellites can be picked up in europe?
[20:21] <Pendulum> ergh. every time someone mentions minecraft I consider buying it
[20:22] <brobostigon> popey: i survived the cold for alittle while like a man, but couldnt for too long.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they're all below the horizon, yes
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: some of the sats over the atlantic can be picked up though
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they carry NasaTV
[20:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also ESA TV
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: NASA and ESA have TV channels that broadcast science programs/updates on missions/etc.
[20:23] <HazRPG> ah
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they're on Atlantic Bird 1
[20:23] <HazRPG> ooo cool
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html -- and again, the dishpointer.com site can tell you if a satellite is above or below the horizon from your position on the planet:)
[20:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: oh yeah, there's pretty cool coverage of Atlantic Bird 1 around most of the world it seems
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: nah, not most of the world :)
[20:26] <HazRPG> http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/125e.html <==
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: there's this problem with the earth being spherical and the satellite being on one side of it :P
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no pacific/asian coverage, see :)
[20:26] <HazRPG> well yeah I know that ^^,
[20:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the earth is semi-spherical.
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: for most intents ant purposes, spherical is a good approximation :)
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I was trying to make a point
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> and*(
[20:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: however it is accurate,
[20:27] <brobostigon> isnt'
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's sphere-ish.
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: happy now? :P
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's not pancake-ish
[20:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, :)
[20:27] <brobostigon> no.
[20:28] <brobostigon> spheroid i do believe is the word.
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: stop picking nits :)
[20:29]  * brobostigon shuts up.
[20:29] <brobostigon> :)
[20:30] <HazRPG> hmm, interesting... if I move my Sky dish like half a cm to the right, I could get arabsat off it xD
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: except it's too small
[20:30] <HazRPG> well, yeah... xD
[20:31]  * MartijnVdS listens to the Police - Walking on the Moon
[20:31]  * brobostigon thinks MartijnVdS has a good thought.
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: on vinyl :)
[20:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: dark side.
[20:33] <brobostigon> :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I listened to some Zappa yesterday.. it's .. weird
[20:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very, yes.
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: also, it was weird.. sides 1 and 4 were on one LP, 2 and 3 on the other
[20:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm, very weird, yes.
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> apparently Blonde on Blonde has the same "layout"
[20:37] <brobostigon> ok.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: did you see my image link yesterday?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://i.imgur.com/dFYri.jpg
[20:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no, let me look.
[20:38] <brobostigon> lol
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the original 12" :)
[20:38] <popey> MartijnVdS: i know someone who would appreciate that
[20:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh,
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: you? :)
[20:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: have you tried using DishPointer?
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: once
[20:40] <HazRPG> the app I mean
[20:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i like, that.
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: too expensive :)
[20:42] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hmm, this is weird, I told it (on the site) to list satellites I can receive and nilesat is on there ... but dish size is unknown... plus the footprint would lead me to believe that receiving it would be impossible
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: which one is nilesat?
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> ah 7W?
[20:44] <HazRPG> yeah
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: "Outside of footprint" for me
[20:44] <HazRPG> same
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> and I'm closer to Egypt than all of the UK :)
[20:44] <HazRPG> but why would it show it on the list :S
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> because it's in the "visible arc"
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> it's above the horizon
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> it's just not pointed at you
[20:45] <HazRPG> makes sense
[20:45] <HazRPG> :(
[20:46] <HazRPG> although I think I saw that Nile TV Int. is on BADR :)
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> my appartment is east/west-oriented.. so I need 2 dishes if I want satellites from both sides :)
[20:46] <HazRPG> :P
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> I need a 3m dish for some satellites 8-)
[20:48] <HazRPG> same xD
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> ah wait C-band, that's old-style
[20:49] <HazRPG> what's the difference between C & K?
[20:49] <HazRPG> or is it Ku?
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Ku = 12-18GHz
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: C-band is 3.4&5.8GHz
[20:50] <HazRPG> ah
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and the bandwidth on C-band is smaller, and the transmissions aren't always DVB
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: some of those "satellite uplink trucks" use it afaik
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_truck
[20:52] <HazRPG> wow, if I want BADR 6 I need 120cm
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> that's not too moch
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> much
[20:53] <HazRPG> but BADR3/4 is fine on a 90cm - which I have
[20:53] <HazRPG> and hotbird is fine on 90 too
[20:57]  * HazRPG wonders if we can get Hotbird & BADR off the same point of the dish
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not likely, if they're in different positions, you'll need multiple LNBs on a rail
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and maybe a "wide" dish
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> (with a focal area instead of a point)
[20:58] <HazRPG> ah, I do have multiple LNB's
[20:58] <HazRPG> I've got 2
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> ARGH!!
[20:58]  * MartijnVdS shouts at compiz in natty
[20:58] <HazRPG> (4 if you include the 2 on my sky dish xD)
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> If I drag a window around, I don't want to maximize it thankyou
[20:58] <HazRPG> :P
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> also, I want windows to "bump into" each other.. and they don't
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> the plugin is active
[20:59] <HazRPG> weird :s
[20:59]  * MartijnVdS blames the whole unity-is-compiz crack
[21:00] <HazRPG> :P
[21:00] <HazRPG> it will be
[21:01] <HazRPG> hmm, well the general direction of both directions seem to be roughly 25-45 degree angle differences
[21:02] <HazRPG> I'm sure if I pointed it inbetween the two and placed the LNBs right I might be able to get both
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not really.. your dish would beed to be "bent" in a way it probably isn't
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: unless you have a Visiosat or Wavefrontier dish :)
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: (the "Big bisat" line)
[21:05] <Neoti> hey guys just converted another windows user to ubuntu!!!
[21:05]  * Neoti is happy !!!!
[21:05] <HazRPG> hurray :D
[21:05] <Neoti> !ubuntu
[21:05] <HazRPG> I've managed to get one of my friends to change too :P
[21:05] <brobostigon> Neoti: you have pointed said user to here for help ?
[21:05] <HazRPG> he's been wearing the ubuntu tee for about a year that I got him, but never actually installed it
[21:05] <HazRPG> (only ever running it off LiveCD)
[21:05] <Neoti> to both the forum and IRC #ubuntu-uk
[21:06] <HazRPG> but he's not got it install pure on his laptop :)
[21:06] <Neoti> and asked them to call me for help to ...
[21:06] <brobostigon> Neoti: thats good.
[21:06] <Neoti> yep.
[21:07] <Neoti> there usb wifi card did not work but i found a fix .... thats the only thing i had to fix everything else on there computer was picked up ... YEY!!!!!!!
[21:07] <brobostigon> yay Neoti :)
[21:07]  * Neoti wobbling those windows!!!!!
[21:08] <brobostigon> lol
[21:08] <brobostigon> Neoti: you should show this person gnome-shell and eventually  gnome3. it will slow them awayeven more.
[21:08] <Neoti> he he
[21:08] <brobostigon> blow*
[21:08] <Neoti> one step at a time
[21:09] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[21:09] <Neoti> i just want them to use it for a night and get use to it etc...
[21:09] <brobostigon> good idea. ease.
[21:09] <Neoti> i have put xchat on there for them ... and they know how to use irc as they used it in windows
[21:09] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: :( I don't want to have 3 dishes mounted to my room/house
[21:09] <HazRPG> roof*
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: T90 \o/
[21:10] <HazRPG> ^^,
[21:10] <brobostigon> altohugh as i beleieve, ubuntu will never have true gnome3, as it will be optional as unity will be standerd. so, well.
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: if you do it right, it can even replace the freesat/sky dish :)
[21:10] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what am I going to do with my old dish though :P
[21:11] <popey> brobostigon: define "true gnome3" ?
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: slide down a hill in the snow 8-)
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: put on ebay?
[21:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: haha
[21:12] <brobostigon> popey: that doesnt exist yet, good point. however as gnome2 is now in debian without any specific changes from standerd gnome.
[21:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ebay was a thought, however like I said the mounting pole doesn't assemble right :P
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> time for some sleep
[21:13] <popey> brobostigon: what makes you think ubuntu wont ship gnome3?
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> gubuntu 8-)
[21:14] <brobostigon> popey: seperatly, to install serpatly from unity.
[21:17] <popey> brobostigon: pretty sure ubuntu will ship gnome3 in the repo
[21:19] <popey> especially if debian does
[21:20] <brobostigon> popey: agreed, yes, inrepo. thats what i was trying to say,
[21:22] <popey> sorry, i dont see how that means "ubuntu will never have true gnome3"
[21:24] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: night dude
[21:24] <popey> wouldn't be surprised if someone created a gnome3 (no unity) derivative of ubuntu
[21:25] <brobostigon> popey: thts a good thought,:)
[21:26] <HazRPG> you can get 1Gbps from Cat5e can't you - you don't need Cat6 right?
[21:26] <HazRPG> popey: I wouldn't either
[21:26] <popey> I'm not sure it's a _good_ idea
[21:27] <HazRPG> popey: which, using Cat5e for a 1Gbps backbone?
[21:27] <brobostigon> interesting though,
[21:27] <popey> no idea
[21:28]  * brobostigon shuts up now. as he is tipsy.
[21:29] <popey> oh, ok then.
[21:29] <AlanBell> HazRPG: I think yes, but run length might be longer on cat6
[21:30] <HazRPG> AlanBell: only going to be fitting it around my house :P
[21:31] <brobostigon> i might do something i did a long time ago, start from alternate cd, cli only, and then build from there, as a challange, again. however, i would love to try unity, it is definatly looking interesting from what i have seen.
[21:36] <HazRPG> AlanBell: looking to buy a nice big roll of Cat5e or possibly Cat6
[21:36] <HazRPG> and finally have some tidy cables around here :P
[21:36] <AlanBell> and a crimp tool :)
[21:36] <HazRPG> already have one of those ;)
[21:37] <HazRPG> already got the wall boxes too
[21:37] <AlanBell> I once made about 200 patch cables
[21:38] <HazRPG> technically the wall boxes are in the right places so far, but the cables they're using are really old and were just off-cuts of other cables I had lying around
[21:38] <HazRPG> nothing is neatly tucked away though, and I'm wanting to put one of my other boxes in the living room and finally get my PS3 off wireless
[21:39]  * HazRPG wonders if it'll be best to trunk them through the walls and under the floorboards or if it'll just be easier to tack them to the wall :/
[21:43] <penguin42> AlanBell: And then noticed that you could buy them online for less than the cost of the cables and connectors?
[21:43] <AlanBell> penguin42: this was a long time ago
[21:44] <AlanBell> I was just so pleased not to be running about with a 50ohm terminator on my keyring any more
[21:45] <penguin42> AlanBell: Haha, you know that's not a bad idea - I'm sure I still have one some where
[21:46] <AlanBell> it was a major innovation to have people cutting their own cables only able to too out their own computer
[21:46] <AlanBell> take out
[21:57] <markjones> AlanBell, the presentation I did went well, ianto went home because he was exhausted. There was a lot of interest in Ubuntu
[21:58] <brobostigon> markjones: thats really good to hear,, :)
[21:58] <AlanBell> great markjones
[21:58] <AlanBell> got photos?
[21:58] <markjones> It's been video'd
[21:58] <markjones> and had photos taken
[21:58] <brobostigon> markjones: can you link us up, please.
[21:59] <markjones> not up yet
[21:59] <markjones> give them a few days
[21:59] <brobostigon> markjones: could you give me a shout whenit is please.
[21:59] <markjones> yup
[22:00] <brobostigon> iechyd dda markjones :)
[22:00] <brobostigon> diolch,*
[22:00] <markjones> AlanBell, Kaia asks why you haven't spoken to her in ages
[22:01] <AlanBell> heh
[22:04] <brobostigon> shine on you crzy diamond, is too sad, :(
[23:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: woah! I've had like 24 downloads of my extension so far!
[23:05] <HazRPG> that's awesome :)
[23:05] <brobostigon> HazRPG: wicked, :)
[23:05] <HazRPG> since I've only had it up for like a day
[23:05] <brobostigon> cool
[23:06] <HazRPG> although so far one guy has reviewed it with just one star :(
[23:06] <brobostigon> hmm.
[23:06] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[23:06] <HazRPG> I thought it worked well, guy didn't even leave a comment for it
[23:08] <HazRPG> I did say in the description that it was basically the same as the Google one, but with tweaks to get it to work for applications instead of just feeding it to a Google or other RSS feed account online
[23:09] <HazRPG> You'd think that if someone was going to rate something, they'd at least leave a comment to say why :/
[23:11] <HazRPG> I guess I'll see what happens in the next couple of days
[23:12] <brobostigon> yes. think positivily.
[23:19] <Neoti> Hi All, just created a system for XBMC i love the fact i can remote control it from my phone (Andriod) if there a online video plug in that includes some XXX lol..... like the online video plug in for Media portal .........
[23:20] <brobostigon> nos da,sleep well,me tired bunny.
[23:58]  * Neoti Goodnight ubuntu people!!! Loves ubuntu too much!!!!