| calvin__ | hmmm | 00:44 |
|---|---|---|
| calvin__ | shucks my terminals color sheme is screwey :/ | 00:44 |
| Traveler | Awww, 6 hours and mostly enters and departs and barely any conversations. | 01:39 |
| Traveler | Still must not have enough installed for lvm2 to work right yet. | 01:41 |
| mikedep333 | OK, so that computer/eletronic "liquidation" sale by some "retailer" at the KoP convention Center was pretty much a scam | 03:51 |
| waltman | oh? | 03:51 |
| waltman | I hadn't heard anything about it. | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | on the radio 104.5 ad they advertised "2 lb windows netbooks for $100" and "Android touch-pads for $150" | 03:51 |
| waltman | What was the catch? | 03:51 |
| mikedep333 | that itself sounds like classic shenzhen marketing | 03:52 |
| waltman | shenzhen marketing? | 03:52 |
| mikedep333 | let me find a good explanation | 03:52 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.engadget.com/tag/kirf/ | 03:52 |
| PennBot | Title: Kirf -- Engadget (at www.engadget.com) | 03:52 |
| waltman | Well, you can't be expecting top quality at those prices | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | well, here's the thing | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | I saw both of those | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | the 2 lb windows netbook was a 400 mhz ARM9 or ARM11 windows CE netbook | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | no name brand I'm fairly certain | 03:54 |
| mikedep333 | and the android box was (intentionally) vague, no brand or anything | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | they were selling for $200 each IIRC | 03:55 |
| andrew | Let me guess, there was also a fee to enter? | 03:55 |
| waltman | Was this a computer show? | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | and this was the outside diesplay | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | to get in and see the rest, you had to pay $9 | 03:55 |
| andrew | waltman: no, bankrupty liquidation sale | 03:55 |
| mikedep333 | "bankrupcy liquidation sale", yes | 03:55 |
| waltman | there's a show up in allentown this weekend. you can often find really good deals at those. | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | more like directly imported from china, with the prices increased by by upto 100% | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, the Q-Mart? | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | well, that's quakertown | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.dealextreme.com/ | 03:56 |
| PennBot | Title: Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Worldwide Free Shipping - DealExtreme (at www.dealextreme.com) | 03:56 |
| mikedep333 | DX sells shenzhen goods for typically very good prices. As a store, they're pretty good. | 03:57 |
| waltman | http://www.marketproshows.com/computershows/directions.php?venue=Allentown%20Fairgrounds | 03:57 |
| PennBot | Title: MarketPro Computer Shows (at www.marketproshows.com) | 03:57 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-tft-lcd-linux-2-6-xburst-jz4750-cpu-umpc-netbook-w-wifi-360mhz-128mb-ram-1gb-flash-disk-42888 | 03:58 |
| PennBot | Title: DealExtreme: $127.10 7" TFT LCD Linux 2.6 XBurst JZ4750 CPU UMPC Netbook w/ WiFi (360MHz/128MB RAM/1GB Flash Disk) (at www.dealextreme.com) | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | 360 mhz, but still | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-tft-lcd-google-android-1-6-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-via-wm8505-arm926-42070 | 03:58 |
| PennBot | Title: DealExtreme: $93.19 7" Touch Screen TFT LCD Google Android 1.6 Tablet PC w/ WiFi/Camera (VIA WM8505 ARM926) (at www.dealextreme.com) | 03:58 |
| mikedep333 | so at a "bankrupcy liquidation sale" they were selling something normally worth about $127 for $200, and something normally worth about $93 for $200? | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | YEAH RIGHT | 03:59 |
| mikedep333 | there was no reference as to who was selling it | 04:00 |
| waltman | that netbook seems pretty darn underpowered | 04:00 |
| mikedep333 | although some goods were made by lesser-brand companies like dynex (I think they had a dynex GPS for $70, which sounds like a typical price), it looks like they took the typical cheapest-possible no-name under-powered shenzhen goods in generic intentionally-vague boxes, and marked up the prices a lot | 04:01 |
| mikedep333 | the ad claimed they had notebooks for $125 IIRC, I saw some notebooks inside (past the $9 fee), but I didn't trust them enough to pay that fee by that point | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | oh, they also had lots of jewelry and stuff | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | and that's something else shenzhen produces a lot of | 04:02 |
| waltman | I'm sorry you were disappointed. | 04:02 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.necklace | 04:03 |
| PennBot | Title: DealExtreme: Search for necklace (176 products in 19 categories) (at www.dealextreme.com) | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, yeah, I was kind of hoping to get something for nothing | 04:03 |
| mikedep333 | what I saw was nothing for something | 04:03 |
| waltman | wow, and iphone cable for $1.60! | 04:04 |
| waltman | I should buy that and give it to my labmate who's always borrowing mine! | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, yes, a Plastic & copper cable costs about $1.60 | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | shenzhen is good for cables | 04:04 |
| mikedep333 | I buy shenzhen HDMI cables for $2 - $3 | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | they work great! | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | and just as well as $100 monster cables | 04:05 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/hot-out-of-chinas-knock-off-oven-ipad-clones/ | 04:06 |
| mikedep333 | now, I do own a shenzhen android tablet | 04:07 |
| mikedep333 | the witstech A81E | 04:07 |
| waltman | how's it work? | 04:07 |
| mikedep333 | fairly well | 04:07 |
| mikedep333 | it is made by a company, witstech, that actually stands by their product | 04:08 |
| mikedep333 | I paid about $200 | 04:08 |
| mikedep333 | and the processor is relatively fast | 04:08 |
| mikedep333 | it has a TI OMAP3 like the droid has | 04:08 |
| mikedep333 | an ARM cortex A8 720 mhz, 256MB RAM, 3d acceleration, and 720P video playback | 04:08 |
| mikedep333 | and a cortex A8 has like 2x the real world performance/mhz compared to the old ARM9 or ARM11 | 04:09 |
| mikedep333 | it doesn't try to look like an iPad | 04:09 |
| waltman | but...the iPad looks cool! | 04:09 |
| mikedep333 | it originally ran Windows CE, then they ported android to it | 04:10 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, the fact that it wasn't imitating an iPad was one reason why I bought it | 04:10 |
| waltman | are there any android apps designed to work on tables instead of phones? | 04:10 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, there are lots of apps designed to work on both android tablets & phones | 04:10 |
| mikedep333 | if you want a phone that is all-around good and generally *just works* (TM), then get the archos 70 Internet Tablet for $270 | 04:11 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C | 04:11 |
| mikedep333 | amazon may not have it for $270 ATM, but you can read the user reviews | 04:11 |
| mikedep333 | they got a lot better after the december firmware update | 04:11 |
| mikedep333 | I believe this is a good retailer | 04:12 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/product.asp?PRDCODE=1356-501582&REFID=FR | 04:12 |
| PennBot | Title: ARCHOS 70 Internet Tablet 8GB - 501582 (at www.futurepowerpc.com) | 04:12 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, lots of apps work overall well on 7" tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab or the Archos 70 | 04:12 |
| waltman | I think I'll stick with my iPhone for now :) | 04:13 |
| mikedep333 | however, many of those apps do not work as well on 10" devices like the Archos 101 internet tablet | 04:13 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, yeah | 04:13 |
| andrew | mikedep333: Android 1.x and 2.x weren't designed for (or even technically allowed on) tablet sized devices | 04:14 |
| mikedep333 | andrew, Android 2.3 includes support for larger displays. It's in the SDK notes. | 04:14 |
| mikedep333 | andrew, also, there was a special version of the Android 2.2 SDK for the galaxy tab | 04:14 |
| mikedep333 | in order to get google's official approval and thus the google apps (eg, GMail) and android marketplace, the devices had to include a phone | 04:15 |
| mikedep333 | it was a real mess | 04:16 |
| waltman | for the ipad, people are designing apps specifically for the larger screen. on these android tablets, are you just getting phone apps with bigger fonts? | 04:16 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, it varies from app to app. there are a lot of apps specifically designed for 7" and even 10" tablets in mind | 04:16 |
| mikedep333 | or that have been ported/upgraded to said tablets | 04:16 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, my witstech A81 is 7". I can test out an app if you name one. | 04:17 |
| waltman | what I'm saying is that if you've got 10x more real estate, you generally need a completely different app. | 04:17 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, it various from app to app | 04:18 |
| mikedep333 | however the android system itself and its keyboard only go upto 7" or 8" or so properly | 04:18 |
| waltman | Well, I don't know a damn thing about android apps, so I have nothing to suggest. | 04:18 |
| mikedep333 | it looks bad on 10" devices | 04:18 |
| mikedep333 | at least Android 2.2 is that way | 04:18 |
| waltman | but I'm guessing that the vast majority of android devs are still targetting phones only | 04:19 |
| mikedep333 | http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?topic=5960.0 | 04:19 |
| PennBot | Title: Wits A81E FAQ (at www.slatedroid.com) | 04:19 |
| waltman | whereas that's not the case at all with ios | 04:19 |
| mikedep333 | the A81E has gone through some revisions, such as the A81G. It's also branded as the "Nationite Midnite" | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | waltman, I'm fairly certain the majority of android devs are targetting 7" and larger devices | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | based on my experiences in the marketplace | 04:20 |
| mikedep333 | oh, another thing | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | lots of the chinese tablet makers are GPL violators | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | witstech is one | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | archos is generally pretty good about complying with the GPL | 04:21 |
| mikedep333 | even the pandigital/velocity cruz tablets that are found all over american stores violate the GPL | 04:22 |
| mikedep333 | but generally, major name brand companies are better when it comes to complying with the GPL | 04:22 |
| Traveler | Well, mikedep333 I hope you got your $9 worth of fun from that show. | 04:37 |
| mikedep333 | Traveler, I paid nothing | 04:39 |
| mikedep333 | their sample display showed me enough | 04:39 |
| mikedep333 | their sample included the netbook and "android touch-pad" | 04:40 |
| mikedep333 | to see the rest I would have needed to pay $9 | 04:40 |
| Traveler | at least you saved $9 for another time | 04:43 |
| Traveler | Trying sysresccd to mount lvm, now to change liveCDs. | 04:46 |
| SamuraiAlba | Good bacon to all! | 11:40 |
| SamuraiAlba | Jump back! | 11:40 |
| SamuraiAlba | Kiss myself! | 11:41 |
| SamuraiAlba | 3 Times! | 11:41 |
| * SamuraiAlba channels James Brown | 11:41 | |
| === noskcaj is now known as jackson | ||
| SamuraiAlba | M$ is evil. I have OFFICE on ONE pc, replaced the mobo, it wont reactivate, they told me to buy a new copy. Tough noogies. | 13:19 |
| SamuraiAlba | Mutu, have any air runes? | 14:16 |
| === noskcaj is now known as jackson | ||
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