[00:44] hmmm [00:44] shucks my terminals color sheme is screwey :/ [01:39] Awww, 6 hours and mostly enters and departs and barely any conversations. [01:41] Still must not have enough installed for lvm2 to work right yet. [03:51] OK, so that computer/eletronic "liquidation" sale by some "retailer" at the KoP convention Center was pretty much a scam [03:51] oh? [03:51] I hadn't heard anything about it. [03:51] on the radio 104.5 ad they advertised "2 lb windows netbooks for $100" and "Android touch-pads for $150" [03:51] What was the catch? [03:52] that itself sounds like classic shenzhen marketing [03:52] shenzhen marketing? [03:52] let me find a good explanation [03:52] http://www.engadget.com/tag/kirf/ [03:52] Title: Kirf -- Engadget (at www.engadget.com) [03:54] Well, you can't be expecting top quality at those prices [03:54] well, here's the thing [03:54] I saw both of those [03:54] the 2 lb windows netbook was a 400 mhz ARM9 or ARM11 windows CE netbook [03:54] no name brand I'm fairly certain [03:55] and the android box was (intentionally) vague, no brand or anything [03:55] they were selling for $200 each IIRC [03:55] Let me guess, there was also a fee to enter? [03:55] Was this a computer show? [03:55] and this was the outside diesplay [03:55] to get in and see the rest, you had to pay $9 [03:55] waltman: no, bankrupty liquidation sale [03:55] "bankrupcy liquidation sale", yes [03:56] there's a show up in allentown this weekend. you can often find really good deals at those. [03:56] more like directly imported from china, with the prices increased by by upto 100% [03:56] waltman, the Q-Mart? [03:56] well, that's quakertown [03:56] http://www.dealextreme.com/ [03:56] Title: Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Worldwide Free Shipping - DealExtreme (at www.dealextreme.com) [03:57] DX sells shenzhen goods for typically very good prices. As a store, they're pretty good. [03:57] http://www.marketproshows.com/computershows/directions.php?venue=Allentown%20Fairgrounds [03:57] Title: MarketPro Computer Shows (at www.marketproshows.com) [03:58] http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-tft-lcd-linux-2-6-xburst-jz4750-cpu-umpc-netbook-w-wifi-360mhz-128mb-ram-1gb-flash-disk-42888 [03:58] Title: DealExtreme: $127.10 7" TFT LCD Linux 2.6 XBurst JZ4750 CPU UMPC Netbook w/ WiFi (360MHz/128MB RAM/1GB Flash Disk) (at www.dealextreme.com) [03:58] 360 mhz, but still [03:58] http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-tft-lcd-google-android-1-6-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-via-wm8505-arm926-42070 [03:58] Title: DealExtreme: $93.19 7" Touch Screen TFT LCD Google Android 1.6 Tablet PC w/ WiFi/Camera (VIA WM8505 ARM926) (at www.dealextreme.com) [03:59] so at a "bankrupcy liquidation sale" they were selling something normally worth about $127 for $200, and something normally worth about $93 for $200? [03:59] YEAH RIGHT [04:00] there was no reference as to who was selling it [04:00] that netbook seems pretty darn underpowered [04:01] although some goods were made by lesser-brand companies like dynex (I think they had a dynex GPS for $70, which sounds like a typical price), it looks like they took the typical cheapest-possible no-name under-powered shenzhen goods in generic intentionally-vague boxes, and marked up the prices a lot [04:02] the ad claimed they had notebooks for $125 IIRC, I saw some notebooks inside (past the $9 fee), but I didn't trust them enough to pay that fee by that point [04:02] oh, they also had lots of jewelry and stuff [04:02] and that's something else shenzhen produces a lot of [04:02] I'm sorry you were disappointed. [04:03] http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.necklace [04:03] Title: DealExtreme: Search for necklace (176 products in 19 categories) (at www.dealextreme.com) [04:03] waltman, yeah, I was kind of hoping to get something for nothing [04:03] what I saw was nothing for something [04:04] wow, and iphone cable for $1.60! [04:04] I should buy that and give it to my labmate who's always borrowing mine! [04:04] waltman, yes, a Plastic & copper cable costs about $1.60 [04:04] shenzhen is good for cables [04:05] I buy shenzhen HDMI cables for $2 - $3 [04:05] they work great! [04:05] and just as well as $100 monster cables [04:06] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/hot-out-of-chinas-knock-off-oven-ipad-clones/ [04:07] now, I do own a shenzhen android tablet [04:07] the witstech A81E [04:07] how's it work? [04:07] fairly well [04:08] it is made by a company, witstech, that actually stands by their product [04:08] I paid about $200 [04:08] and the processor is relatively fast [04:08] it has a TI OMAP3 like the droid has [04:08] an ARM cortex A8 720 mhz, 256MB RAM, 3d acceleration, and 720P video playback [04:09] and a cortex A8 has like 2x the real world performance/mhz compared to the old ARM9 or ARM11 [04:09] it doesn't try to look like an iPad [04:09] but...the iPad looks cool! [04:10] it originally ran Windows CE, then they ported android to it [04:10] waltman, the fact that it wasn't imitating an iPad was one reason why I bought it [04:10] are there any android apps designed to work on tables instead of phones? [04:10] waltman, there are lots of apps designed to work on both android tablets & phones [04:11] if you want a phone that is all-around good and generally *just works* (TM), then get the archos 70 Internet Tablet for $270 [04:11] http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C [04:11] amazon may not have it for $270 ATM, but you can read the user reviews [04:11] they got a lot better after the december firmware update [04:12] I believe this is a good retailer [04:12] http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/product.asp?PRDCODE=1356-501582&REFID=FR [04:12] Title: ARCHOS 70 Internet Tablet 8GB - 501582 (at www.futurepowerpc.com) [04:12] waltman, lots of apps work overall well on 7" tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab or the Archos 70 [04:13] I think I'll stick with my iPhone for now :) [04:13] however, many of those apps do not work as well on 10" devices like the Archos 101 internet tablet [04:13] waltman, yeah [04:14] mikedep333: Android 1.x and 2.x weren't designed for (or even technically allowed on) tablet sized devices [04:14] andrew, Android 2.3 includes support for larger displays. It's in the SDK notes. [04:14] andrew, also, there was a special version of the Android 2.2 SDK for the galaxy tab [04:15] in order to get google's official approval and thus the google apps (eg, GMail) and android marketplace, the devices had to include a phone [04:16] it was a real mess [04:16] for the ipad, people are designing apps specifically for the larger screen. on these android tablets, are you just getting phone apps with bigger fonts? [04:16] waltman, it varies from app to app. there are a lot of apps specifically designed for 7" and even 10" tablets in mind [04:16] or that have been ported/upgraded to said tablets [04:17] waltman, my witstech A81 is 7". I can test out an app if you name one. [04:17] what I'm saying is that if you've got 10x more real estate, you generally need a completely different app. [04:18] waltman, it various from app to app [04:18] however the android system itself and its keyboard only go upto 7" or 8" or so properly [04:18] Well, I don't know a damn thing about android apps, so I have nothing to suggest. [04:18] it looks bad on 10" devices [04:18] at least Android 2.2 is that way [04:19] but I'm guessing that the vast majority of android devs are still targetting phones only [04:19] http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?topic=5960.0 [04:19] Title: Wits A81E FAQ (at www.slatedroid.com) [04:19] whereas that's not the case at all with ios [04:20] the A81E has gone through some revisions, such as the A81G. It's also branded as the "Nationite Midnite" [04:20] waltman, I'm fairly certain the majority of android devs are targetting 7" and larger devices [04:20] based on my experiences in the marketplace [04:21] oh, another thing [04:21] lots of the chinese tablet makers are GPL violators [04:21] witstech is one [04:21] archos is generally pretty good about complying with the GPL [04:22] even the pandigital/velocity cruz tablets that are found all over american stores violate the GPL [04:22] but generally, major name brand companies are better when it comes to complying with the GPL [04:37] Well, mikedep333 I hope you got your $9 worth of fun from that show. [04:39] Traveler, I paid nothing [04:39] their sample display showed me enough [04:40] their sample included the netbook and "android touch-pad" [04:40] to see the rest I would have needed to pay $9 [04:43] at least you saved $9 for another time [04:46] Trying sysresccd to mount lvm, now to change liveCDs. [11:40] Good bacon to all! [11:40] Jump back! [11:41] Kiss myself! [11:41] 3 Times! [11:41] * SamuraiAlba channels James Brown === noskcaj is now known as jackson [13:19] M$ is evil. I have OFFICE on ONE pc, replaced the mobo, it wont reactivate, they told me to buy a new copy. Tough noogies. [14:16] Mutu, have any air runes? === noskcaj is now known as jackson