[00:44] <calvin__> hmmm
[00:44] <calvin__> shucks my terminals color sheme is screwey :/
[01:39] <Traveler> Awww, 6 hours and mostly enters and departs and barely any conversations.
[01:41] <Traveler> Still must not have enough installed for lvm2 to work right yet.
[03:51] <mikedep333> OK, so that computer/eletronic "liquidation" sale by some "retailer" at the KoP convention Center was pretty much a scam
[03:51] <waltman> oh?
[03:51] <waltman> I hadn't heard anything about it.
[03:51] <mikedep333> on the radio 104.5 ad they advertised "2 lb windows netbooks for $100" and "Android touch-pads for $150"
[03:51] <waltman> What was the catch?
[03:52] <mikedep333> that itself sounds like classic shenzhen marketing
[03:52] <waltman> shenzhen marketing?
[03:52] <mikedep333> let me find a good explanation
[03:52] <mikedep333> http://www.engadget.com/tag/kirf/
[03:52] <PennBot> Title: Kirf -- Engadget (at www.engadget.com)
[03:54] <waltman> Well, you can't be expecting top quality at those prices
[03:54] <mikedep333> well, here's the thing
[03:54] <mikedep333> I saw both of those
[03:54] <mikedep333> the 2 lb windows netbook was a 400 mhz ARM9 or ARM11 windows CE netbook
[03:54] <mikedep333> no name brand I'm fairly certain
[03:55] <mikedep333> and the android box was (intentionally) vague, no brand or anything
[03:55] <mikedep333> they were selling for $200 each IIRC
[03:55] <andrew> Let me guess, there was also a fee to enter?
[03:55] <waltman> Was this a computer show?
[03:55] <mikedep333> and this was the outside diesplay
[03:55] <mikedep333> to get in and see the rest, you had to pay $9
[03:55] <andrew> waltman: no, bankrupty liquidation sale
[03:55] <mikedep333> "bankrupcy liquidation sale", yes
[03:56] <waltman> there's a show up in allentown this weekend.  you can often find really good deals at those.
[03:56] <mikedep333> more like directly imported from china, with the prices increased by by upto 100%
[03:56] <mikedep333> waltman, the Q-Mart?
[03:56] <mikedep333> well, that's quakertown
[03:56] <mikedep333> http://www.dealextreme.com/
[03:56] <PennBot> Title: Cool Gadgets at the Right Price - Worldwide Free Shipping - DealExtreme (at www.dealextreme.com)
[03:57] <mikedep333> DX sells shenzhen goods for typically very good prices. As a store, they're pretty good.
[03:57] <waltman> http://www.marketproshows.com/computershows/directions.php?venue=Allentown%20Fairgrounds
[03:57] <PennBot> Title: MarketPro Computer Shows (at www.marketproshows.com)
[03:58] <mikedep333> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-tft-lcd-linux-2-6-xburst-jz4750-cpu-umpc-netbook-w-wifi-360mhz-128mb-ram-1gb-flash-disk-42888
[03:58] <PennBot> Title: DealExtreme: $127.10 7" TFT LCD Linux 2.6 XBurst JZ4750 CPU UMPC Netbook w/ WiFi (360MHz/128MB RAM/1GB Flash Disk) (at www.dealextreme.com)
[03:58] <mikedep333> 360 mhz, but still
[03:58] <mikedep333> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-tft-lcd-google-android-1-6-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-via-wm8505-arm926-42070
[03:58] <PennBot> Title: DealExtreme: $93.19 7" Touch Screen TFT LCD Google Android 1.6 Tablet PC w/ WiFi/Camera (VIA WM8505 ARM926) (at www.dealextreme.com)
[03:59] <mikedep333> so at a "bankrupcy liquidation sale" they were selling something normally worth about $127 for $200, and something normally worth about $93 for $200?
[03:59] <mikedep333> YEAH RIGHT
[04:00] <mikedep333> there was no reference as to who was selling it
[04:00] <waltman> that netbook seems pretty darn underpowered
[04:01] <mikedep333> although some goods were made by lesser-brand companies like dynex (I think they had a dynex GPS for $70, which sounds like a typical price), it looks like they took the typical cheapest-possible no-name under-powered shenzhen goods in generic intentionally-vague boxes, and marked up the prices a lot
[04:02] <mikedep333> the ad claimed they had notebooks for $125 IIRC, I saw some notebooks inside (past the $9 fee), but I didn't trust them enough to pay that fee by that point
[04:02] <mikedep333> oh, they also had lots of jewelry and stuff
[04:02] <mikedep333> and that's something else shenzhen produces a lot of
[04:02] <waltman> I'm sorry you were disappointed.
[04:03] <mikedep333> http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.necklace
[04:03] <PennBot> Title: DealExtreme: Search for necklace (176 products in 19 categories) (at www.dealextreme.com)
[04:03] <mikedep333> waltman, yeah, I was kind of hoping to get something for nothing
[04:03] <mikedep333> what I saw was nothing for something
[04:04] <waltman> wow, and iphone cable for $1.60!
[04:04] <waltman> I should buy that and give it to my labmate who's always borrowing mine!
[04:04] <mikedep333> waltman, yes, a Plastic & copper cable costs about $1.60
[04:04] <mikedep333> shenzhen is good for cables
[04:05] <mikedep333> I buy shenzhen HDMI cables for $2 - $3
[04:05] <mikedep333> they work great!
[04:05] <mikedep333> and just as well as $100 monster cables
[04:06] <mikedep333> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/04/hot-out-of-chinas-knock-off-oven-ipad-clones/
[04:07] <mikedep333> now, I do own a shenzhen android tablet
[04:07] <mikedep333> the witstech A81E
[04:07] <waltman> how's it work?
[04:07] <mikedep333> fairly well
[04:08] <mikedep333> it is made by a company, witstech, that actually stands by their product
[04:08] <mikedep333> I paid about $200
[04:08] <mikedep333> and the processor is relatively fast
[04:08] <mikedep333> it has a TI OMAP3 like the droid has
[04:08] <mikedep333> an ARM cortex A8 720 mhz, 256MB RAM, 3d acceleration, and 720P video playback
[04:09] <mikedep333> and a cortex A8 has like 2x the real world performance/mhz compared to the old ARM9 or ARM11
[04:09] <mikedep333> it doesn't try to look like an iPad
[04:09] <waltman> but...the iPad looks cool!
[04:10] <mikedep333> it originally ran Windows CE, then they ported android to it
[04:10] <mikedep333> waltman, the fact that it wasn't imitating an iPad was one reason why I bought it
[04:10] <waltman> are there any android apps designed to work on tables instead of phones?
[04:10] <mikedep333> waltman, there are lots of apps designed to work on both android tablets & phones
[04:11] <mikedep333> if you want a phone that is all-around good and generally *just works* (TM), then get the archos 70 Internet Tablet for $270
[04:11] <mikedep333> http://www.amazon.com/Archos-70-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B00422SH5C
[04:11] <mikedep333> amazon may not have it for $270 ATM, but you can read the user reviews
[04:11] <mikedep333> they got a lot better after the december firmware update
[04:12] <mikedep333> I believe this is a good retailer
[04:12] <mikedep333> http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/product.asp?PRDCODE=1356-501582&REFID=FR
[04:12] <PennBot> Title: ARCHOS 70 Internet Tablet 8GB - 501582 (at www.futurepowerpc.com)
[04:12] <mikedep333> waltman, lots of apps work overall well on 7" tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab or the Archos 70
[04:13] <waltman> I think I'll stick with my iPhone for now :)
[04:13] <mikedep333> however, many of those apps do not work as well on 10" devices like the Archos 101 internet tablet
[04:13] <mikedep333> waltman, yeah
[04:14] <andrew> mikedep333: Android 1.x and 2.x weren't designed for (or even technically allowed on) tablet sized devices
[04:14] <mikedep333> andrew, Android 2.3 includes support for larger displays. It's in the SDK notes.
[04:14] <mikedep333> andrew, also, there was a special version of the Android 2.2 SDK for the galaxy tab
[04:15] <mikedep333> in order to get google's official approval and thus the google apps (eg, GMail) and android marketplace, the devices had to include a phone
[04:16] <mikedep333> it was a real mess
[04:16] <waltman> for the ipad, people are designing apps specifically for the larger screen.  on these android tablets, are you just getting phone apps with bigger fonts?
[04:16] <mikedep333> waltman, it varies from app to app. there are a lot of apps specifically designed for 7" and even 10" tablets in mind
[04:16] <mikedep333> or that have been ported/upgraded to said tablets
[04:17] <mikedep333> waltman, my witstech A81 is 7". I can test out an app if you name one.
[04:17] <waltman> what I'm saying is that if you've got 10x more real estate, you generally need a completely different app.
[04:18] <mikedep333> waltman, it various from app to app
[04:18] <mikedep333> however the android system itself and its keyboard only go upto 7" or 8" or so properly
[04:18] <waltman> Well, I don't know a damn thing about android apps, so I have nothing to suggest.
[04:18] <mikedep333> it looks bad on 10" devices
[04:18] <mikedep333> at least Android 2.2 is that way
[04:19] <waltman> but I'm guessing that the vast majority of android devs are still targetting phones only
[04:19] <mikedep333> http://www.slatedroid.com/index.php?topic=5960.0
[04:19] <PennBot> Title: Wits A81E FAQ (at www.slatedroid.com)
[04:19] <waltman> whereas that's not the case at all with ios
[04:20] <mikedep333> the A81E has gone through some revisions, such as the A81G. It's also branded as the "Nationite Midnite"
[04:20] <mikedep333> waltman, I'm fairly certain the majority of android devs are targetting 7" and larger devices
[04:20] <mikedep333> based on my experiences in the marketplace
[04:21] <mikedep333> oh, another thing
[04:21] <mikedep333> lots of the chinese tablet makers are GPL violators
[04:21] <mikedep333> witstech is one
[04:21] <mikedep333> archos is generally pretty good about complying with the GPL
[04:22] <mikedep333> even the pandigital/velocity cruz tablets that are found all over american stores violate the GPL
[04:22] <mikedep333> but generally, major name brand companies are better when it comes to complying with the GPL
[04:37] <Traveler> Well, mikedep333 I hope you got your $9 worth of fun from that show.
[04:39] <mikedep333> Traveler, I paid nothing
[04:39] <mikedep333> their sample display showed me enough
[04:40] <mikedep333> their sample included the netbook and "android touch-pad"
[04:40] <mikedep333> to see the rest I would have needed to pay $9
[04:43] <Traveler> at least you saved $9 for another time
[04:46] <Traveler> Trying sysresccd to mount lvm, now to change liveCDs.
[11:40] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[11:40] <SamuraiAlba> Jump back!
[11:41] <SamuraiAlba> Kiss myself!
[11:41] <SamuraiAlba> 3 Times!
[11:41]  * SamuraiAlba channels James Brown
[13:19] <SamuraiAlba> M$ is evil.  I have OFFICE on ONE pc, replaced the mobo, it wont reactivate, they told me to buy a new copy.  Tough noogies.
[14:16] <SamuraiAlba> Mutu, have any air runes?