[00:39] <tripelb> !requirements
[00:39] <tripelb> should link to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Lightweight%20GUI%20alternative%20
[00:40] <tripelb> I found my answer and am trying to help the next person be able to find them too.
[00:40] <tripelb> because the page under !requirements doesnt give them.
[00:42] <tripelb> sorry, I'm all wrong. I still dont know how the basics for installing xubuntu vary from installing ubuntu. Would like to know.
[00:58] <knome> tripelb, installing - varies in no way really.
[01:03] <tripelb> knome - the ubuntu install requirements page said xubuntu is lighter. I was just curious about it.
[01:03] <tripelb> I've got an old Compaq laptop with some windows that I wanted to see if it would work with... ??
[01:04] <tripelb> It has 42Megs RAM. alas. else a lovely machine. Windows something early. I dont remember. 98? at best.
[01:04] <psycho_oreos> that's really small
[01:06] <psycho_oreos> some person came in a fair few hours ago asking how they were to run linux on a laptop with 64MB of RAM. I guess you'll need something like puppy linux/ tinycore OS/ dsl
[02:14] <Freddy2> hi
[02:14] <Freddy2> i've just tried to install 10.10 from 32bit desktop edition, and i always get blocked in the user creation step.. the next button is never enabled.. why?
[02:15] <Freddy2> i mean, i choose my name, machine name, username, both passwords (there is a match) but i can't get this button enabled, no matter what i do
[02:17] <AndrewMC> Freddy2: is the machine's name all lowercase?
[03:03] <mucus> is there a way to transition between work spaces more fluidly than what comes standard?
[03:04] <TheSheep> mucus: "fluidly"?
[03:05] <TheSheep> mucus: you mean animations?
[03:05] <mucus> i guess animations...?
[03:06] <mucus> like let's say i only want to go halfway between desktops?
[03:06] <TheSheep> you can install compiz and get all the fun that comes with it, including flames and wobbly windows
[03:06] <TheSheep> ah, no
[03:06] <TheSheep> that's not possible
[03:06] <mucus> okay then
[03:06] <mucus> i tried extending my screen, but that didn't really work either
[03:07] <TheSheep> you can use virtual screen
[03:07] <TheSheep> have the desktop larger than your screen and make it scroll
[03:07] <TheSheep> that's doable with X alone
[03:07] <mucus> yeah, how would i go about doing that?
[03:08] <mucus> pretending i am a real noob to anything linux, including xubuntu
[03:08] <mucus> (the first distro i am seriously using though)
[03:10] <TheSheep> considering that it's 4 am here I'm not really up to walk you through it, I can only give you some pointers where to look. You basically configure your display in xorg.conf to be larger than your screen.
[03:11] <mucus> alright, thanks
[03:11] <mrroth> is thier a way I can manage with three monitors at work, to have on one screen, windows, on the other osx, and on the third ubuntu desktop
[03:12] <mucus> i'd suppose that could be done with virtual machines . . .
[03:14] <TheSheep> mucus: there is also Synergy
[03:14] <TheSheep> mucus: http://synergy-foss.org/
[03:15] <TheSheep> I mean mrroth
[03:16] <mucus> alright, so i'd have to shut down xorg, then retrieve the configuration?
[03:42] <mrroth> mucus yea virtual machine seem like only way
[03:42] <mrroth> TheSheep:  the ubuntu  box will be a remote box, and so is osx
[03:42] <mrroth> so synergy is for local boxes right
[03:42] <mrroth> my xp workstation is the one that has the three monitors
[11:56] <lostermaz> hi
[12:03] <lostermaz> anybody alive there?
[12:03] <TheSheep> no
[12:04] <TheSheep> !hi
[16:33] <mrroth> how would I do othis, I have three monitors, and one host
[16:33] <mrroth> the host os is windows xp
[16:33] <mrroth> on my third monitor I want remote or xubuntu desktop is tha tpossible
[16:34] <charlie-tca> How to make windows do things might be better asked in ##windows
[16:34] <mrroth> oh
[16:35] <Sysi> on xubuntu you need some kind of remote desktop server, for example something for vnc
[16:36] <Sysi> and client on windows
[17:29] <BarryMcCockiner> Good afternoon, all. My xserver is failing to initialize after installing the proprietary nVidia drivers (via the System > Additional Drivers menu option). I have read in the forums that there is an issue running these drivers with hybrid graphics solutions. I am using xubuntu 10.10
[17:29] <BarryMcCockiner> What is the name of the package that I need to uninstall to restore the pre-prop-driver state?
[17:30] <Sysi> nvidia-current propably
[17:30] <BarryMcCockiner> OK. Will getting rid of that restore the x conf file(s)?
[17:31] <Sysi> ypu can manualle erase them, they don't even exist by default anymore
[17:31] <BarryMcCockiner> ok. I'll reboot back to the prompt and see what happens... then I'll report back in to let you know if it worked. thanks
[17:41] <BarryMcCockiner> OK, that did something. I removed nvidia-current. Now it gets to the splash screen and hangs
[17:41] <BarryMcCockiner> Is there some way to get to a prompt when it hangs like that?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> now you have to boot to recovery menu, and remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:43] <charlie-tca> You can try getting a prompt using Ctrl+Alt+F2
[17:44] <BarryMcCockiner> ok. I'll try that
[17:44] <BarryMcCockiner> I tried that before, but it seemed to be locked pretty hard. I might have to use the livecd and mount the partition
[17:45] <BarryMcCockiner> It might kick me to the prompt after 3 failed boots anyway, like last time
[17:53] <BarryMcCockiner> OK, that fixed it. You saved me. thanks
[17:54] <BarryMcCockiner> I didn't need the 3d acceleration anyway. I just thought the driver might help with video
[18:40] <nysosym> hi there, xubuntu is amazin, thank you
[18:42] <nysosym> anyone has precompiled packages for xfce 4.8?
[18:44] <nysosym> anyone else have problems with shoutcast radio in exaile?
[18:44] <nysosym> can't download the stream list
[19:14] <nysosym> can't type an at on my macbook
[19:14] <nysosym> any solution?
[19:15] <psycho_oreos> might be keyboard binding
[19:18] <nysosym> http://d59.img-up.net/?up=Screenshot7hy0.png
[19:18] <nysosym> i think it's correct
[19:49] <Kurdistan> hey guys/girls. how is xubuntu 11.04 with the new xfce version going?
[19:50] <Sysi> alpha, can be unstable and support at #ubuntu+1
[19:52] <nysosym> Kurdistan, i'll upgrade right now :)
[19:53] <Kurdistan> nice.
[19:53] <Kurdistan> the new xfce seems to be really promising
[19:54] <Kurdistan> I hope you guys/girls manage to do well with natty.
[19:54] <nysosym> yeah, a shame that there is just a ppa for 10.04
[19:54] <Kurdistan> faster and lighter xubuntu would not be wrong
[19:54] <nysosym> in competition with gnome and kde, xubuntu is amazingly fast :D
[19:54] <Sysi> there might will be official ppa at least for LTS, maybe even 10.10
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Kurdistan: very unstable, broken at times
[19:55] <Kurdistan> thats normal, it is :) alpha.
[19:56] <Kurdistan> I mean when the final version comes I hope for lighter and faster xubuntu 11.04.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> personally, I find it very nice. It is much slower today, but we just got the new 2.6.38 kernel, too
[19:57] <nysosym> don't like the way, canoncial goes with ubuntu, i don't need a netbook gui on my machine -.-
[19:57] <Sysi> i tried kde netbook plasma on my netbook, looked cool
[19:58] <nysosym> kde is soooo buggy, i don't like it anymore
[19:58] <nysosym> still laggy selecting files, on a 4 core 3ghz machine with 8gb of ram, that's not acceptable
[19:59] <Sysi> never noticed
[20:00] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca, the new kernel do you think it will be good for xubuntu?
[20:00] <Sysi> with new kde it's always like "yay that one's working now, settings menu is AGAIN different, why that one doesn't work"
[20:00] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:00] <charlie-tca> there are enough upgrades in it to improve a lot of things
[20:01] <nysosym> my feeling about kde is, that the integrate feature by feature without testing
[20:01] <nysosym> *they
[20:01] <nysosym> there is no optimizing in code
[20:01] <Sysi> xfce is nice, but i'm getting tired to aiming panels with mouse pointer
[20:02] <nysosym> yeah something easy like spotlight would be nice to have
[20:02] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca, I will keep an eye on xubuntu then.
[20:03] <nysosym> super+space, type what you want, enter get it
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Sysi: Ctrl+Esc to hit the top panel
[20:03] <Sysi> nysosym: there is gnome-do but i don't mean that
[20:03] <Kurdistan> when I tried xubuntu 10.10 and the release before it was not that much faster then ubuntu and lighter like lxde/lubuntu is.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> no, I guess that is wrong, too. It only goes to the menu
[20:04] <Sysi> charlie-tca: for my experience, in xfce it's bes to put everything in panel and make it wide enough, works quite nicely then
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Kurdistan: but you didn't have to add a bunch of stuff to it, either. what do you in Lubuntu to do word-processing?
[20:04] <nysosym> Sysi you think about a dock? :D
[20:04] <charlie-tca> by default
[20:04] <Sysi> but i'm always searching for something weird  and hoping it's nice :P
[20:05] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca, I have no problem adding stuff after installation.
[20:05] <Sysi> nysosym: pretty much, i just don't like any docks i've seen
[20:05] <nysosym> Sysi, tried osx one?
[20:05] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca, xubuntu with xfce is more polished and allround.
[20:05] <charlie-tca> but the fact is, Lubuntu is not ready for you until you do that, right?
[20:05] <Sysi> nysosym: worse than awn
[20:05] <Kurdistan> that I give you guys cred for.
[20:06] <charlie-tca> and how light is it after you add the apps you need to work with?
[20:06] <Kurdistan> even when I have installed all the thing I need in xubuntu, it is stil faster then xubuntu.
[20:06] <Kurdistan> believe me.
[20:06] <Kurdistan> :) sorry I mean lubuntu
[20:07] <Sysi> openbox is harder to configure than xfwm
[20:07] <Sysi> (lxde vs. xfce window managers)
[20:08] <Kurdistan> sysi thats true.
[20:08] <Kurdistan> like I said in the long run xfce is more polished right now then lxde
[20:08] <Kurdistan> my hope is that xubuntu will be that fast and light.
[20:09] <Kurdistan> becuase I know people that runs xfce under debian and they say it is lighter/faster then xubuntu.
[20:09] <Sysi> xubuntu is nicely snappy, but has all features
[20:09] <Kurdistan> if thats true I dunno.
[20:10] <Sysi> difference beetween xubuntu and debian is, for my experience, that xubuntu works :P
[20:10] <Kurdistan> sysi :) that was a good one.
[20:10] <charlie-tca> um, I think you are going to disappointed. xubuntu does use some of Gnome, and includes stuff for it, because of the way it is built from Ubuntu
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Debian doesn't do that, so it will be lighter
[20:11] <Kurdistan> charlie-tca I see.
[20:11] <Kurdistan> any way I think xubuntu will rock.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> +1
[20:12] <Kurdistan> :) I am in love with all buntus.
[20:12] <Sysi> you can get lighter xubuntu if you install it more debianish way
[20:18] <Kurdistan> sysi thats true.
[20:32] <nysosym> cross your fingers, for my 11.04 upgrade :D
[20:33] <Kurdistan> :)
[20:37] <nysosym> seams fine :)
[20:40] <charlie-tca> nysosym: great! support will be in #ubuntu+1 if you have problems
[20:43] <jk_> question -- I'm running two supposedly-identical Lucid systems, both with automatic update enabled. Several days ago one of them got a kernel update to 2.6.32-28. The other is still at 2.6.32-27 and checking manually reports that it is up to date. Since the move to 28 was a security update, what gives?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> how are you updating?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> jk_: try opening a terminal on the one still at -27, type "sudo apt-get update" without the quotes and hit enter
[20:47] <charlie-tca> then use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" without the quotes
[20:50] <jk_> charlie-tca, won't that do a full distribution upgrade to Meerkat? I definitely don't want to lose the LTS installation on this machine!
[20:51] <jk_> charlie-tca, to answer your question, through system>update manager when not set up automatically. The one that did update was automatic.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> no, that will do a full update to the 10.04 system
[20:53] <charlie-tca> it takes more than that to upgrade versions if you are running Xubuntu
[20:59] <jk_> charlie-tca, after doing the apt-get update, the "linux" generic package that supposedly keeps everything set to the latest still shown -27 as its dependency. Guess I'd better compare the sources.lst files of the two systems to make certain they both address the same repositories!
[21:00] <charlie-tca> did you also do the dist-upgrade command?
[21:00] <charlie-tca> If not, it did not update the system, only the package list
[21:02] <jk_> charlie-tca, no, I was just checking the package list first. Then the thought occurred to me that the one that did do the update might have a different set of repositories...
[21:02] <charlie-tca> then you would be right, after doing "  update ", it did not change anything. It won't
[21:02] <charlie-tca> because it just updated the package list
[21:03] <jk_> charlie-tca, I just did the dist-upgrade; here's its final report: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:04] <Sysi> 64bit xubuntu has nowdays native 64bit flash plugin?
[21:04] <charlie-tca> jk_: and uname -a shows the -27? Have you restarted it lately?
[21:05] <jk_> charlie-tca, yes and yes. going to compare the sources.lst files now.
[21:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:07] <Sysi> ..that wasn't 64bit disk image
[21:08] <jk_> charlie-tca, solved. The one that did update includes the lucid-updates repository; the one that didn't, doesn't. Guess I'd better add it to this machine! Many thanks.
[21:09] <Kurdistan> have good night.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:09] <Kurdistan> I am going to bad. I hope all the buntu dist. the best.
[21:42] <nekoCAT> Hello.  I just switched to the daily build.  It looks nice but I have some questions and comments.
[21:42] <nysosym> #ubuntu+1
[21:43] <nekoCAT> Is there a channel like that for xubuntu?
[21:43] <nysosym> you can use that channel :)
[21:44] <nysosym> i know it's kinda strange ^
[21:44] <charlie-tca> That is the channel for all development versions, kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu
[21:44] <nekoCAT> Thanks.  I'll head there then.
[21:44] <nysosym> np
[21:44] <nysosym> should be named to canoncial+1 :D
[21:45] <charlie-tca> why? Canonical has nothing to do with it. It is a support channel for development versions, not for canonical support
[22:10] <Liv> Hello
[22:11] <Liv> I have an issue installing Xubuntu 10.10. Would anyone be available to help?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[22:19] <Liv> Great, thanks. I prepared the partitions manually using gparted: sda5 for / (formatted ext3), sda6 for swap, sda7 for /home (my old partition, unformatted) and sda8 for /boot (formatted ext2). Then I chose manual partitioning (or whatever the name is in ubiquity) and assigned the partitions as described previously, and made sure not to format any partition (they were all prepared with gparted). The installer launched just fine, and now it hanged
[22:19] <Liv> at "ubuntu CRON [..]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)" in the terminal. Above the terminal the message is 'Removing conflicting operating system files'. It's exactly one our since it stuck. The laptop doesn't seem to be doing anything. What should I do next? Reboot? Leave computer overnight? Thanks
[22:23] <Liv> *hour
[22:24] <charlie-tca> no
[22:24] <charlie-tca> it has to be allowed to erase and reformat the / partition
[22:24] <charlie-tca> It probably got stuck trying to figure out what to do, if it can't do that
[22:25] <charlie-tca> since it can't replace the files on root, now
[22:25] <charlie-tca> It probably is stuck. kill it and start over is what I usually do at that pointy
[22:25] <charlie-tca> s/pointy/point
[22:29] <Liv> hmm, strange, i should reformat / even if it was already erased and formatted? But I understand. Do I kill 'ubiquity'?
[22:29] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:30] <charlie-tca> I agree, strange way to have to do it
[22:31] <Liv> ok, thanks, I'll try it tomorrow. I just hope that the installer didn't mess my Win and Home partitions. Cheers
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Me too
[22:38] <Liv> it seems ok. Home was strangely mounted to /mnt/tmpmount, but otherwise both partitions seem present and fine. bye
[23:04] <mark76> I really wish I didn't have to restart everytime I add something
[23:05] <mark76> Oops. Wrong tab
[23:26] <Ycarene> Ok, this is weird, if I add my user to the vboxusers group, I can't login into my user account through xfce, but if I remove them from it, I can log in.
[23:33] <DoctorTruth> How do you remove a windows based program from Ubuntu that does not work properly from wine? Is there a way to un-install the files?