[00:20] jjesse: ping [00:22] I am getting to old for staying out all night and getting wasted [00:23] life is rather cruel [00:23] lol Hey apachelogger [00:23] Natty hate VirtualBox on my system [00:23] yo DarkwingDuck [00:23] my computer hates linux :( [00:23] :( [00:24] * stalcup wants a new computer [00:24] Linux runs just fine... it's VirtualBox that hates me [00:24] I swear [00:24] use qemu [00:24] qemu? [00:24] stalcup: join some price game thing? [00:24] I have to use virtual box to do my linux stuff [00:24] apachelogger: good idear [00:24] DarkwingDuck: not-oracle virtualisation ;) [00:25] Oh nice [00:25] * apachelogger thinks he needs another round of drugs [00:25] ohmy [00:25] apachelogger: anything non-oracle would be good [00:25] trying all day to recover from last night [00:25] apachelogger: is it in the repository? [00:26] qemu? [00:26] sure [00:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VciwWFpDwY [00:27] one day I will get an alarm clock that throws depeche mode at me [00:27] oh, imagine how awesome waking up must be like that... [00:27] just write a script so amarok does it for you :P [00:28] sure [00:28] and then amarok crashes or memleaks and stuff [00:28] and then I do not wake up and stuff [00:28] I'd rather trust shadeslayer with all my money === stalcup is now known as vorian [00:28] ooh === vorian is now known as v [00:29] seems I missed LinuxTag call for papers thanks to drinking [00:29] * v waits for maco comment on nick changes === v is now known as stalcup [00:33] done, i promise [00:39] ohhh goody.... something more involved [00:39] * DarkwingDuck goes to read up on qemu [00:54] DarkwingDuck working on something fuN? [00:54] jjesse: trying to get Natty to run in a VM [00:55] me 2 [00:56] i can get ubuntu natty to run but right now my kubuntu natty boots to a black screen [00:57] yeah, that's what mine was doing. [00:57] I recon the new xorg arrived :P [00:58] I'm reinstalling it as the pure Alpha1 and try it from there. [00:58] yup, now on updated ubuntu natty it goes to black screen [00:58] that was the most current daily + update [00:58] So, do not update theh xorg package... Got ya [01:05] apparently [01:06] would be nice if there was notification someplace [01:10] * DarkwingDuck agrees [01:11] If only we had a tool tha we could use to tell people when things like this happened... [01:12] hrmm like twitter? [01:12] Or something that would send a message out to everyone [01:12] Like a mailing list... [01:12] like a mailing list :) [01:12] :D [01:16] Why does the Doc maillist get the user help emails? [01:22] because of the way the help section is written i believe [01:22] Sweet mother of god. [01:22] Here is that wonderful error [01:23] in X? [01:23] No, the alpha1 [01:23] console-setup is in a broken state [01:24] * DarkwingDuck sighs [01:26] jjesse: in VirtualBox how would I trigger tty1? [01:26] hrmm if you have full control of the vm same as normal right? [01:27] Just the mouseover control [01:27] hrm [01:27] It triggers the host. [01:27] don't know then off the top of my head [01:28] :/ [01:36] hmz [01:38] Well, it's a good thing I didn't install 11.04 on my lappy [01:41] DarkwingDuck: X change was announced on either ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-announce [01:42] ahhhhh, the side I'm not subscribed to... [01:42] * DarkwingDuck goes to subscribe to those lists. [02:45] did something broke in kernel on today's updates ? [02:46] nope its X [02:46] or X ... [02:47] so how can I revert it ? [02:48] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html [02:54] thks [05:03] Okay, that link explain what was going on but for those of us testing with black screens... Is there way to fix it for now or, wait for the fix? [05:55] hey DarkwingDuck [05:56] Hye valorie [05:56] you got as far last night as telling me to install bzr [05:56] which I did [05:56] don't update your alpha 1 [05:56] :P [05:56] anything special I should be reading, or ? [05:56] i'm not brave enough for Natty yet [05:56] I gotta USE this puter [05:57] and VMs -- no luck so far [05:57] I mean I got one set up, but never installed kub. successfully in it [05:57] * DarkwingDuck nods [05:57] turns out that was due to a bug, but that's as far as I ever got, testing [05:58] valorie: gimme a sec [06:06] valorie: you know anything about HTML? [06:10] yes, I'm reasonably good [06:11] I code my pages by hand, etc. [06:13] okay good. [06:13] make a folder for kubuntu docs where you will find it. [06:14] done [06:15] navigate to it in konsole [06:17] ok, there [06:17] :~/Documents/KubuntuDocs$ [06:18] now [06:18] type the following: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs [06:20] You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to [06:20] write to Launchpad or access private data. See "bzr help launchpad-login". [06:20] it is downloading, though [06:20] I think I have a lp id [06:20] I have an account [06:21] It's okay... you wont be uploading anything from there. [06:21] https://launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman [06:21] ok [06:22] alrighty, it's done downloading [06:22] Branched 199 revision(s). [06:22] Yup [06:23] Before you check spells, grammer ect you will want to check for new revisions. [06:23] each time. [06:23] the command for that is bzr update [06:23] in cd docs is where the docs are listed. [06:23] so cd to kubdocs, and bzr update [06:24] yup [06:24] current revision is 199 [06:24] They are XML files. [06:24] so, the about file is under about/C/about.xml [06:25] When you open and edit them the simpliest thigns to do is to edit them and save them to a secondary spot to email to myself or jjesse [06:25] So you don't mess up your revisions [06:26] email to both of you, or ? [06:26] One of the other [06:26] of/or [06:27] ok, so maybe ask who is available [06:27] my email is david.wonderly@kubuntu.org [06:27] and jjesse? [06:27] uhhhhh.... I'll have to look it up [06:28] I can email from valorie.zimmerman@kubuntu.org if that will help keep everything ship-shape [06:28] jjesse[@]gmail [06:29] Now, when we file a doc as DONE in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty thats when it's ready for review [06:30] :D [06:30] I need to figure out over the next couple days what docs are done and what needs to be done. [06:30] So we can update that page. [06:31] and with that.. the wife is calling... I bid thee all g'night [06:31] niters [06:31] too confusing valorie? [06:31] well, I don't know how to access the docs [06:32] or edit them [06:32] use kate? [06:32] kubuntu-docs/docs/topicfolder/C/docname.xml [06:32] Yes, you can use kate [06:33] So, example of the about.xml doc... it will be in kubuntu-docs/about/C/about.xml [06:35] question -- I now have the above doc open in kate [06:35] Aye [06:36] where can I see what that doc looks like as published? [06:37] I'm keeping notes about this in kate, as well [06:37] and no, so far nothing is confusing [06:38] oh, sec [06:38] ?? [06:43] sorry, when the old dog wants out of bed, it has to be now [06:43] :D [06:43] or it means a cleanup job [06:43] I'll catch ya tomorrow night. [06:43] and I've already done that once tonight! [06:43] he just turned 16 [06:44] niters -- I'll poke around a bit [06:44] thanks for the help [06:45] Anytime valorie [07:23] Morning all [07:23] DarkwingDuck: long time no see! [07:27] So, Im on the kde 4.6 from the ppa, (4.5.95 - beta 2) and I'm getting the following error with kajong: * kajongg is not correctly installed: modules: No module named animation [07:28] I get the same error, jussi [07:28] do we think its a packaging, or upstream error? [07:29] I've never started it up before, so no clue here [07:29] hm, happens too here in natty http://paste.kde.org/3685/ [07:29] maybe #kde will know? [07:32] heh, #kde-devel , I should have said [07:34] the source has animation.py [07:35] I'll check what list-missing shows [07:41] yofel: thanks :) [07:41] (I miss my mahjong ) [07:48] yeap [07:48] -./usr/share/kde4/apps/kajongg/animation.py [07:48] not the only one it seems [07:48] they drown a bit in the .pyc list :S http://paste.kde.org/3686/ [08:23] better [08:24] no, still fails.. === fenris- is now known as ejat === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:21] apachelogger: i'd be spending all your moniez on neon and conf.kde.in [13:24] :O [13:24] scary [13:24] i hope they aren't space bucks [13:25] oh maybe buy some more bandwidth for myself too :P [13:25] you are a selfish person [13:25] apachelogger: i have like ... 256kbps of bandwidth [13:26] took me 3 hours to download alll of neon [13:26] -l [13:26] because you are not lzmaing it [13:26] actually we are [13:26] im pretty sure we use lzma compression in rules [13:27] then you did something wrong [13:27] also my feet are cold [13:27] also I am hungry [13:27] apachelogger: thats why the download is 500 MB and the install size is 1.5GB [13:27] * apachelogger shall go out find something to eat [13:27] * shadeslayer passes some chips to apachelogger [13:27] apachelogger: dh_builddeb -- -Z lzma [13:28] we have that in our rules file [13:28] you only have one rules file? :O [13:29] thats all that is needed ... one debian/rules [13:29] [ for each package ] [14:00] Riddell: your brand new thinkpad has a bazillion fingerprints :S [14:01] or is it the lighting [15:05] shadeslayer: he probably already had tea on it and stuff :P [15:05] I sure would have ^^ [15:05] hahaha :D [15:06] now i have to write a article on Net neutrality [15:06] *sigh [15:07] oh [15:07] ah [15:07] why is it that mvo has a shitty looking software center [15:07] that is a bit scary [15:07] shadeslayer: what is net neutrality? [15:09] apachelogger: its ISP's being evil and charging you for each GB of pr0n you download [15:09] apachelogger: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/its-here-fcc-adopts-net-neutrality-lite.ars [15:10] its come to india as well [15:10] and im once again in the future [15:12] what what what? [15:12] charging you per pr0n?!?!?! [15:12] wtf [15:12] that is death of the intarwebs right there [15:12] yes it is [15:13] apachelogger: google it and you'll see loads of articles [15:13] I do not like reading [15:13] also I think I will play a computer game [15:14] apachelogger: a friend is interested in Java + KDE [15:14] any suggestions ? [15:15] yep [15:15] lock him away [15:15] hold on [15:15] that was not english, was it? [15:15] s/away/up [15:15] sounds better anyway [15:15] so [15:15] hehe [15:15] * apachelogger looks for game to play [15:16] apachelogger: Steam [16:46] http://i.imgur.com/otzaP.png [16:47] http://i.imgur.com/Zstz0.png [16:48] i prefer the oxygen icons for debs [16:49] call me old fashioned ... but i just like them P [16:49] :P [16:49] those are the oxygen icons for .debs since 4.6 [16:50] indeed, look odd [16:50] where did you get the icon extraction from? [16:51] https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/changes/src/debfile.cpp [16:51] It takes the app icon and then overlays it against the application-x-deb mimetype icon [16:52] I'm contemplating whether or not I want to have the mimetype icon in the background at all, or just have the app icon by itself [16:52] better link: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/debfile.cpp [16:54] oh, it seems like the kde plugin system automatically gives me an overlay of the mimetype icon in the bottom right corner: http://i.imgur.com/80N7o.png [17:01] looks better now I think: http://i.imgur.com/OM5F5.png [17:02] i still prefer my deb icons [17:02] :P [17:11] JontheEchidna: cool! [17:12] JontheEchidna: how is performance? [17:13] apachelogger: tried out Neon yet? [17:13] apachelogger: it got through 108 files in under 5 seconds, so pretty good I think [17:13] shadeslayer: no, I am developing windows nowadays [17:13] JontheEchidna: sweet [17:14] apachelogger: rm -rf /media/Windows -> now thats Development [17:14] I'm still playing with the thumbnail picture [17:15] xpm's don't like being scaled, though: http://i.imgur.com/fiOcJ.png [17:15] I'm thinking I should only use those as a fallback [17:18] JontheEchidna: most definitely [17:18] stupid xpm is way too horrible :P [17:19] JontheEchidna: have you heard of the AppStream project already? [17:19] ximion: I saw glatzor's blog about it [17:20] ah [17:21] at the miniconf, it was decided to use the USC as cross-distro software-center... [17:21] yeah, that's great for the gnomes I guess [17:21] since USC is for GNOME, I took a look at how MSC works... [17:21] usc? [17:21] you don't use Xapian directly, do you? [17:22] usc => ubuntu software center [17:22] only for package searching [17:22] kk [17:22] otherwise I use the .desktop files in app-install-data [17:22] iirc USC has some xapian indexer plugin that goes over those .desktop files [17:22] and uses xapian for everything [17:22] but [17:23] MSC is faster than USC, so... ;=) [17:23] *;-) [17:23] * yofel wonders if that's what keeps usc running for minutes using 100% CPU after closing it... [17:24] ok... hmm, this makes it difficult to use it as cross-distro software center :P (I'm just playing with all this stuff at time to find sane solutions to handle 3rd-party apps...) [17:24] yofel: Might be the aptdaemon python tool [17:24] btw: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/01/24/application-installer-miniconf-trip-report/ [17:24] AppStream will become awesome, if everything works out as planned :) [17:25] JontheEchidna: MSC definitely is faster, but I thought it was because of C++ vs. Python... [17:25] well, there's that too of course :P [17:25] apachelogger: around? [17:25] i need some advice [17:25] though xapian is pretty fast for searching, maybe it is just the pyth0rn [17:25] how do i check if there is form data on a page? [17:26] darn it ... why did i not see KWebWallet::acceptSaveFormDataRequest earlier [17:28] Comparing the time it takes in each app to open the "Installed Software" view would be a pretty good comparison between xapian query and my C++ class for Application data [17:30] apachelogger: oh and btw, I've finished the backend bits needed for adding .debs that you downloaded from another computer to the cache, so that you can install things without internet access [17:32] For a frontend, I plan on adding a menu item for the internetless computer to export a list of packages to download, and a GUI for the internet'd computer to download them to the USB stick [17:32] and then a menu item to open up a dialog to add archives from the USB stick [17:33] it'll be much better than Synaptic's wget script :P [17:34] apachelogger: oh and btw, I've finished the backend bits needed for adding .debs that you downloaded from another computer to the cache, so that you can install things without internet access [17:34] AWESOME ^^^ === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [17:55] jussi: ping [17:57] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: I'm ill, don't count on me on anything at least till Wednesday [17:58] oh, get well soon :) [18:00] DarkwingDuck: yes? [18:01] jussi: long time no see back at ya! :P:P [18:01] yofel: any luck with kahjongg? [18:01] jussi: I've been without a working computer for a bit... back now though [18:01] excellent. mhows the GMS going? [18:03] jussi: seeing that I got this thing less then a week ago I'm still trying to get things built back onto it. [18:04] no, I messed the package I had up, so had to start fresh, but even with all installed filed added it still doesn't work, so it seems the install script for kajongg is broken [18:04] s/filed/files/ [18:04] yofel meant: "no, I messed the package I had up, so had to start fresh, but even with all installed files added it still doesn't work, so it seems the install script for kajongg is broken" [18:05] Quintasan_: get well soon :) [18:07] jussi: thanks for reminding me though, I'll look at it again [18:16] what d I have to install to get video thumbnails? (I'm using Natty) [18:16] afiestas: one sec [18:17] afiestas: ffmpegthumbnailer [18:17] or rather kffmpegthumbnailer [18:18] ookiz, thanks [18:18] shadeslayer: are you using graphicssystem raster as default, now? [18:19] nopety nope [18:19] openoffice doesnt like raster [18:19] good [18:19] buggy? [18:19] also not in the 4.6 ppa for Maverick? [18:19] causing mavock with Intel drivers [18:19] ah [18:20] and we have several ubuntu reports [18:20] it is default in natty. should we revert? [18:20] that's why I asked [18:20] JontheEchidna: wait .. it is? [18:20] im on maverick [18:20] on Natty it is [18:20] yes, we were testing it out for natty and were waiting for feedback [18:20] how does one check if it's enabled? [18:20] looks like we have feedback :o) [18:20] aha ... then there's your feedback :P [18:21] ah QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster [18:21] bug 264259 [18:21] Launchpad bug 264259 in Critic@ Engine "Add an image zoomer feature" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264259 [18:21] kde bug 264259 [18:22] KDE bug 264259 in general "Window content not updated after changes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264259 [18:22] well, I can't find anything yet that crashes here [18:22] mgraesslin: ^^ that one? [18:22] yes [18:22] but we have more [18:22] I am just going through my bug mails [18:22] i dont have QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM set anywhere [18:23] it's probably set at compile time [18:23] yofel: maybe break some more stuff in neon and set that var? :D [18:24] we have an xsession script in kubuntu-default-settings in natty that sets the env var [18:24] sure, add it, can't really get any worse ^^ [18:24] mgraesslin: were enabling that 'feature' in neon .. so you'll still get bug reports .. but from devs :D [18:25] which is not much of a help as we know it's broken ;-) [18:25] hahah... :P [18:26] yofel: maybe we could have something like : breakmyneon [18:26] we just have a confirmance in #kwin from a gentoo user that switching to native fixed the issue [18:26] that enables all sorts of experimental stuff [18:27] Sput: did switching to native fix the issue you mentioned yesterday for you? [18:27] rather a config option somewhere [18:27] mgraesslin: raster might have landed in backports [18:27] JontheEchidna: ^^ ideas on that [18:28] given the bug reports I would assume so [18:28] I don't think it would have unless you backported kubuntu-default-settings [18:28] JontheEchidna: thats what im checking [18:28] mgraesslin: or they could be using apachelogger KCM module to switch stuff [18:28] yes could be [18:28] s/apachelogger/apachelogger's [18:29] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20110130182909-h5vxfa2372u9004m * (etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem debian/changelog) Remove etc/X11/Xsession.d/80qtgraphicssystem, as upstream has reported it to cause "havoc" with the intel drivers [18:29] nope [18:29] mgraesslin: by default its still disabled in maverick [18:29] so they probably used the KCM [18:29] yep [18:30] or all of them are running natty :P [18:30] hm... I need to use my eeePC more, that has natty and intel, but didn't seem broken to me... [18:30] I've done an upload disabling the env var being set in natty [18:30] unlikely [18:30] gotta go in to town now, bbiab [18:30] ciao [18:30] im sleeping as well [18:38] hmmhmm [18:38] what does not cause havoc with teh intel drivers? [18:38] stupid intel -.- [18:40] everything [18:40] my eeePC even gives me 256 color depth today [18:40] the current stack in Natty works very well here [18:41] call yourself lucky then [18:41] in fact, my kde never worked so well and smooth === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [19:05] any kubuntu-devs around? apachelogger? [19:30] debfx: no [19:32] :P [19:33] apachelogger: could you please upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/synaptiks_0.4.0-1ubuntu3.debdiff [19:34] the package has been empty since the last upload but no one noticed it ^^ [19:35] debfx: not on a linux box right now [19:57] shadeslayer: The email on ML about libmarblewidget [19:57] did you get it sorted out [19:57] ? [20:28] yay, the 2.6.38 kernel can handle my laptop screen brightness properly [20:29] Quintasan: do you want your new upload powers to sponsor synaptiks? :) [20:33] JontheEchidna: do you know whether 2.6.38 will be in natty? [20:39] ari-tczew: it's in right now [20:39] * ari-tczew is thinking why 2.6.37 still is in his natty. [20:40] dunno. I have it and I'm even out of date :P http://i.imgur.com/ikF7V.png [21:29] arrr [21:29] debfx: did ye plunder get uploaded? [21:47] Could someone please use their superpowers and confirm/subscribe ubuntu-archive to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knmap/+bug/710358 ? [21:47] Ubuntu bug 710358 in knmap (Ubuntu) "Please remove knmap from the archives" [Undecided,New] [21:57] apachelogger: thanks for uploading [21:57] ryanakca: done [22:05] debfx: Thanks [22:39] debfx: seen http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/synaptiks?content=114270 ? [22:39] being discussed in #debian-qt-kde [22:47] Riddell: rewritten in python, that's a package for apachelogger ;)