[01:23] <Rosie_o_Donnell> need to make a "new user" in user groups, but it isnt letting me.
[01:24] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[01:25] <Rosie_o_Donnell> i just go to add new user and it does nothing
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> Meh....my virtualbox Lubuntu doesn't work...can
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> 't check it for ya...
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> But do you get any error messages?
[01:28] <Rosie_o_Donnell> nope
[01:28] <Rosie_o_Donnell> guessing it has to do with account elevation
[01:29] <MrChrisDruif> Elevation?
[01:33] <Rosie_o_Donnell> yeah like having a custom account instaed of admin
[01:33] <Rosie_o_Donnell> i have gnome so ill probably just do it there. thannks anyway
[06:00] <jmarsden> Is anyone interested in helping me look at / troubleshoot / fix bug #653628 and bug #635698?
[06:55] <bioterror> jmarsden, for the last one there's a fix
[06:56] <bioterror> as you can read from the comments
[06:56] <bioterror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/635698/comments/6
[06:56] <bioterror> jmarsden, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/635698/comments/11 even better
[06:57] <jmarsden> I'm verifying that fix, and finding interesting things happening... but yes.  Now read comment #41 :)
[06:58] <jmarsden> It's not that I need a fix for personal use for these issues, I'm trying to get them understood and fixed published in Ubuntu.
[07:01] <bioterror> yep
[07:01] <jmarsden> In particular, I am wondering if it is lxdm that should add a Depends: encryptfs-utils to make the autoremove-removes-things-it-should-not problem.
[07:01] <jmarsden> Or if that Depends should be in some other package.
[07:08] <bioterror> somehow I have a feeling that this whole home directory encryption is like a something made with bubble gum and packaging tape
[07:09] <bioterror> two things I hate: plymouth and this
[07:09] <bioterror> :D
[07:11] <jmarsden> bioterror: I think there are certainly some issues in the home dir encryption stuff.  How many of those are Lubuntu-specific remains to be seen.  But people seem to like and use it, so, we need to try to support it :)  Hating isn't likely to be very productive.
[07:14] <bioterror> I used it with my mint installation, worked fine with 10.04, but when hdd fails, it's PITA to get data out of it
[07:15] <bioterror> I just rm -rf'd the image I made of drive as none of the "guides" didnt seem to get my data out, or maybe I'm just unskilled what comes to decrypting home folders ;)
[07:23] <jmarsden> I've never tried that "for real" but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually looks sane as a starting point.
[07:25] <jmarsden> For these two bugs, I think I'll create a new lxdm package that Depends: encryptfs-utils and see if it fixes them... Julien can then tell me why that's a bad idea later :)
[07:53] <bioterror> :)
[07:53] <bioterror> does gdm depend on it?
[07:54] <bioterror> nope
[08:08] <bioterror> I dont even have in natty ecryptfs-utils
[08:08] <bioterror> haaa
[08:29] <jmarsden> I just created bug #710049 about this, let's see what happens.
[08:33] <jmarsden> bioterror: apt-cache rdepends ecryptfs-utils    gets me adduser in Lucid.  And apt-cache rdepends adduser gets me a *huge* list of packages.  I'll check if that is different in Natty.
[08:34] <bioterror> i just checked apr-cache show lxdm and it wasnt in listing
[08:43] <jmarsden> bioterror: What set of repositories do you have selected? lxdm is in universe
[08:44] <jmarsden> Try    rmadison lxdm
[13:41] <Abram> hi
[13:41] <Abram> bioterror there?
[13:42] <Abram> Since I installed another Distru on my Laptop yesterday GRUB only boots the new Distru and no boot entries for the first Distru are found.  The new Distru uses GRUB1 which shows up when booting, the first distru uses GRUB2. I tried to chainload from GRUB 1 menu.lst the first Distru (hd0,0) but when I click on the title in GRUB1 after booting nothing happens. What should I do now? Editing GRUB2 on sda1(hd0,0) or should I install GRUB2 o
[13:42] <Abram> actuall ony /dev/sda1 is Lubuntu 10.10
[13:43] <Abram> on /dev/sda3 is the new Distru 8.04
[13:45] <MrChrisDruif> Distru? Or Ubuntu 8.04?
[13:46] <Abram> ubuntu 8.03
[13:46] <Abram> *04
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> Would've been awesome if you found an 8.03 release ;)
[13:47] <Abram> *hehe*
[13:49] <Abram> i already wrote into GRUB1 menu.lst the chianloader
[13:49] <Abram> +1
[13:49] <Abram> which doesnt work tho
[13:49] <Abram> I wonder what I should do now
[13:49] <Abram> maybe install GRUB2 into mbr?
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't know enough about grub, so I don't know if it's okay if you uninstall that grub 1 and that grub2 would be there again....otherwise that would be another option...
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> Installing grub2 on the mbr
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> It would be able to detect both the distro's installed if I'm not mistaken...
[13:53] <Abram> perfect
[13:53] <Abram> I try this now
[16:31] <esing> hi
[16:34] <esing> MrChrisDruif I didnt succeed with grub2
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> esing: Too bad...
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> So you are also Abram?
[16:34] <esing> I removed grub1 and installed grub2 to ubuntu 8.04
[16:34] <esing> yes
[16:34] <esing> my real name is abram
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[16:34] <esing> :)
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> But what happened?
[16:35] <esing> well after i installed grub2 on ubuntu 8.04 i could still only boot from 8.04
[16:35] <esing> then i entered livecd 1010 and installed grub2 again on my first distru 1010 (sda1)
[16:35] <MrChrisDruif> But the Lubuntu install is this installed?
[16:36] <esing> yes
[16:36] <esing> lubuntu 1010 is my first distru
[16:36] <esing> => sda1
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> What was it again: did you try something like grub update in terminal?
[16:36] <esing> after reinstalling grub2 on lubuntu1010 i could only start lubuntu 1010 from bootloader
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> It'll check the disk for installed distros if I'm not mistaken...
[16:36] <esing> yes
[16:37] <esing> sudo update-grub
[16:37] <esing> but it didnt work
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> That was it....:S
[16:37] <esing> then i tried to install the entries manually
[16:37] <esing> i went to etc/grub.d
[16:37] <esing> and added to 40_custom entries if found in the mounted sda3 (ubuntu 8.04) and added them
[16:38] <esing> then i updated again
[16:38] <esing> but it doesnt show ubuntu 8.04 in bootloader
[16:38] <esing> i can boot only from lubuntu 1010 now
[16:38] <esing> ^
[16:38] <esing> so depressing*g*
[16:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it is :)
[16:39] <esing> you are the pro :D
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> I'm just curious, but why did you want to install 8.04? :)
[16:39] <esing> because of a driver i cant run in 1010
[16:40] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....(and I'm not a pro, just trying to help)
[16:41] <esing> hehe
[16:41] <MrChrisDruif> If I was a pro, I would have solved it no prob right? :P
[16:41] <esing> ye you are right ^
[16:41] <esing> maybe we need to contact a pro
[16:41] <esing> isnt bioterror a pro? ^^
[16:44] <MrChrisDruif> There are a lot of people here that know loads more than me, bioterror is one of them...
[16:46] <MrChrisDruif> You could try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html and the second post
[16:53] <esing> rebooting
[20:21] <jmarsden> Anyone know why after an Lubuntu 10.10 install, there is a set of apt autoremovable packages which seems to include things that should not really be autoremoved?  bug #710049
[20:26] <bladethefox> hello
[20:27] <bladethefox> I need help with gtk-recordmydesktop
[20:27] <bladethefox> it won't open
[20:28] <bladethefox> when I go to the menu and click on it it will not open
[20:28] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Can you be more specific?  What are you trying to do with it?  If you run it from a shell prompt (LXterminal) do you get an error message there?
[20:28] <bladethefox> when I click on it on the menu there is a flash then it won't open
[20:29] <bladethefox> and I tried the other options ie.xvidcap, istanbul, ant they will not record sound
[20:31] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Try it from the command line and pase the error message, so we can help you :)
[20:31] <jmarsden> s/pase/paste/
[20:31] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Sounds like a library it needs is missing, or something like that.
[20:32] <bladethefox> bladethefox@bladethefox:~$ gtk-recordmydesktop
[20:32] <bladethefox> gtk-recordmydesktop: command not found
[20:32] <bladethefox> I installed it from the synaptic package manager
[20:33] <bladethefox> xvidcap works but one problem, no sound
[20:34] <bladethefox> same problem with istanbul
[20:38] <jmarsden> bladethefox: OK, I'll try installing it here, don't go away :)
[20:38] <bladethefox> ok thankies
[20:42] <jmarsden> bladethefox: OK, at the command line you need to type    gtk-recordMyDesktop     # with the M and D Upper Case
[20:44] <bladethefox> jamrsden:/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdMonitor.py:10: DeprecationWarning: The popen2 module is deprecated.  Use the subprocess module.
[20:44] <bladethefox>   import popen2
[20:44] <bladethefox> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop", line 43, in <module>
[20:44] <bladethefox>     main()
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop", line 40, in main
[20:44] <bladethefox>     tr=rmdSimple.simpleWidget()
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdSimple.py", line 515, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.trayIcon=trayIcon(self)
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdTrayIcon.py", line 394, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.tray_popup=iTP.TrayPopupMenu(self.parent,self.parent.values,self.optionsOpen)
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdTrayPopup.py", line 51, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.popupmenu_continueitem.hide()
[20:44] <bladethefox> AttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'
[20:45] <jmarsden> Yow!  OK, now you know what the issue is, at least. What version of gtk-recordMyDesktop did you install and what version of Lubuntu are you running?
[20:46] <bladethefox> lubuntu 10.10 and the gtk-recordmydesktop that is currently in the repositories
[20:47] <jmarsden> Hm.  OK.  I get a bunch of deprecation warnings but it runs, but I'm running Ubuntu 10.04.1 right now.  Time to fire up Lubuntu 10.10 and try it there...
[20:48] <bladethefox> should I get an older release?
[20:50] <jmarsden> Not necessarily... let me test in Lubuntu and see if I can duplicate the issue there.
[20:54] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Ok, I'm seeing the same issue you are seeing.  Looks like gtk-recordmydesktop needs either a newer or older version of some python libraries?  You can try an older version of gtk-recordmydesktop, it might help.
[20:54] <bioterror> !paste | bladethefox
[20:57] <bladethefox> I did mention that xvidcap works but has audio issues
[20:59] <jmarsden> bladethefox: I think I saw an article somewhere about using xvidcap and recording audio separately and combining the audio and video later as a post-processing step...
[21:00] <bladethefox> so I use audacity to record sound and xvidcap to record video then splice them together?
[21:00] <jmarsden> Yes.  See http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Creating_Screencasts   -- old, but the ideas remain valid.
[21:01] <jmarsden> But now I need to go AFK for a while... I'll try to look at the gtk-recordmydesktop issue later if I can.  You might want to file a bug in launchpad about that.
[21:46] <baba> hello there
[21:46] <baba> somebodz at home_
[21:48] <baba> somebodY at home?
[21:49] <bioterror> !ask | baba
[21:49] <baba> i have a problem with installing lubuntu
[21:49] <baba> i installed it, and i dont see the menu
[21:49] <bioterror> somehow I guessed you have a prolem ;)
[21:50] <bioterror> do you see that panel
[21:51] <baba> i onlz can see 2 bottoms wit run and log off
[21:51] <baba> i see the panel
[21:51] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:51] <bioterror> it's lubuntu 10.10?
[21:51] <baba> but onlz 2 tabs there
[21:51] <baba> zes its 10.10
[21:52] <bioterror> hmm
[21:52] <bioterror> alt+f2 and open xterm
[21:52] <bioterror> type:
[21:52] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[21:52] <bioterror> let's make sure you're not missing anything
[21:53] <baba> isnt it inside the package?
[21:53] <bioterror> I want to be sure about this
[21:53] <baba> but it should be inside the installation
[21:54] <baba> when i use live disk its inside
[21:54] <baba> and i dont have a terminal
[21:56] <baba> isnt it inside the ground installation?
[21:56] <bioterror> press alt+f2
[21:56] <bioterror> you get popup window where you type: xterm
[21:56] <bioterror> press enter and you get terminal
[21:57] <baba> ok
[21:57] <baba> now i see the terminal
[21:58] <baba> i am here bY live disk
[21:58] <baba> now
[21:59] <baba> is it normal that i have to install the lubuntu desktop bYmYself?
[22:00] <baba> sorr?, no Y
[22:00] <baba> must copY it from net
[22:00] <bioterror> what
[22:00] <bioterror> you're using livecd instead of real installation
[22:01] <bioterror> szczur, what do you think, should we chroot? ;D
[22:01] <baba> is it usual that i have to install the desktop?
[22:02] <bioterror> as you've noticed, your installation isnt working that well, and we have to ensure that all the packages are there
[22:02] <baba> or should it be installed alreadY?
[22:02] <baba> ok
[22:09] <baba> mabz the problem is that i installed without internet connection?
[22:16] <bioterror> is it?
[22:16] <bioterror> it should not be a prolem
[22:16] <bioterror> but it is suggested
[22:17] <bioterror> as clock is 00:17, I'm about to move to bed as I have to get up around 05:30
[22:17] <bioterror> but I could suggest to try installing it again
[22:18] <baba> i will
[22:18] <bioterror> if it doesnt fix it, then we would like to have you chatting with us from the installation
[22:18] <bioterror> not from livecd
[22:18] <baba> ok
[22:18] <baba> mabz see zou later
[22:18] <bioterror> good night
[22:18] <baba> good night
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well all, I'm off :)