[00:02] <NewLad> hello
[00:02] <NewLad> anybody here ;)
[00:03] <seidos> kristian-aalborg, i'm not sure, i don't really know how it "works", but i get 60C when i run the command
[00:03] <egossett> hi NewLad and cprofitt
[00:03] <yax51> hi!!
[00:03] <NewLad> could someone please help me
[00:03] <palhmbs> gunndawg, i think you would have to try asking on a different channel for that specific browser
[00:03] <NewLad> should be a basic problem but im new to ubuntu
[00:03] <holstein> NewLad: gedit is a basic program
[00:04] <holstein> NewLad: is that all you're looking for?
[00:04] <NewLad> i just downloaded lucid lynx and installed it on my netbook...when i tried it from the USB the wireless network worked...after i installed it it told me it couldnt find the dricer
[00:04] <palhmbs> NewLad, go ahead - any and all here will try their best to help you
[00:05] <NewLad> i tried to activate it but got an erroramssage
[00:05] <holstein> NewLad: what error message
[00:06] <holstein> no network?
[00:06] <holstein> NewLad: the easiest way to do it is to wire the machine up
[00:06] <holstein> to wired internet
[00:06] <NewLad> it didn even start the download
[00:06] <holstein> to download the proprietary bit
[00:07] <NewLad> that should fix the pproblem do you think?
[00:07] <holstein> NewLad: not sure
[00:07] <holstein> i would expect the live disc to behave similarly to the install
[00:07] <NewLad> thats what i thought
[00:07] <NewLad> strange eh?
[00:07] <NewLad> anyhow, i give it a shot
[00:08] <NewLad> cheers
[00:08] <holstein> NewLad: good luck
[00:15] <seidos> hey paultag
[00:16] <seidos> delayed reaction
[00:42] <NewLad> hi there
[00:42] <NewLad> sorry me again
[00:42] <NewLad> that wiring it up didnt work but i got the errormassage her
[00:43] <seidos> *errormessage
[00:43] <holstein> NewLad: shoot
[00:43] <holstein> you can use pastebin if its big
[00:43] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:45] <NewLad> failes to fetch http:br.archrive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/poolmain/m/manpages/manpages-dev_3.24-1ubuntu1_all.de could not resolve br.archrive.ubuntu.com
[00:45] <holstein> NewLad: are you online?
[00:45] <NewLad> yes under windows
[00:45] <holstein> on the machine in question
[00:45] <NewLad> its the same one
[00:46] <NewLad> but no
[00:46] <holstein> when you are booted up into buntu
[00:46] <holstein> are you online?
[00:46] <NewLad> not under the installed version, the usb one works
[00:47] <holstein> NewLad: what wireless card?
[00:47] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ the output of lspci
[00:47] <holstein> well, actually
[00:48] <holstein> that will be difficult without internet
[00:48] <holstein> just run lspci
[00:48] <holstein> and tell me what the network controller is
[00:48] <NewLad> im here under windows right now
[00:48] <holstein> right on
[00:49] <NewLad> not sure where to rund lspci
[00:49] <holstein> i suppose you can google the model
[00:49] <holstein> and find it that way
[00:49] <holstein> or look in the device manger or whatever
[00:49] <holstein> in windows
[00:49] <NewLad> well the card is broadcom 802.11n network adapter
[00:50] <holstein> so, you probably need a proprietary driver
[00:50] <NewLad> ok
[00:50] <holstein> the easy way is to wire up the network
[00:50] <NewLad> i suppose i cant donwload it under windows and use it under linux, can i?
[00:50] <holstein> NewLad: sure
[00:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[00:54] <techmik67> anyone into cm7 building and installing?
[01:18] <NewLad> back again...still windows thoug im afrad
[01:19] <NewLad> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[01:19] <NewLad> i downloaded the first one
[01:19] <NewLad> is that correct?
[01:19] <holstein> NewLad: depends on your device
[01:20] <NewLad> what would you need to know to determin that
[01:20] <holstein> i usually run lspci
[01:20] <NewLad> sorry now, this is all new to me
[01:20] <holstein> NewLad: no worries
[01:20] <holstein> its just challenging since you're not in buntu now
[01:20] <holstein> takes longer :/
[01:20] <holstein> for you
[01:21] <NewLad> thanks for you help i appreciate this
[01:21] <holstein> NewLad: if i were you
[01:21] <holstein> i would just DL a bunch of them
[01:21] <NewLad> im listening
[01:21] <NewLad> ah ok
[01:21] <NewLad> makes sense all right
[01:21] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[01:21] <holstein> whatever it says there
[01:21] <holstein> under 'no internet access'
[01:22] <holstein> the buntu packages might be easier to use
[01:22] <holstein> still, i would just get as many as possible
[01:22] <holstein> NewLad: its interesting that it works with the USB stick
[01:22] <holstein> and not now
[01:22] <holstein> NewLad: i would also
[01:23] <holstein> before doing anything else
[01:23] <holstein> fully shutdown the machine
[01:23] <holstein> maybe even take the battery out
[01:23] <holstein> and boot back up
[01:23] <NewLad> ok ill try that as well
[01:24] <holstein> NewLad: just gotta try some things
[01:24] <holstein> totally do-able
[01:24] <holstein> NewLad: what computer?
[01:25] <gunndawg> Could someone tell me how to change the color of text boxes that appear on webpages ?
[01:25] <holstein> sometimes you can find helpful info in wikis or forums by googleing ubuntu and the exact model
[01:25] <gunndawg> my current theme makes them black
[01:25] <holstein> gunndawg: html
[01:25] <holstein> ?
[01:25] <holstein> you'd have to code the page
[01:25] <gunndawg> holstein, no I mean default, becaue every page has black text boxes based on my theme
[01:25] <gunndawg> so its not the sites html
[01:25] <holstein> OIC
[01:26] <holstein> gunndawg: that should be in the theme setting
[01:26] <gunndawg> I use both an emerald and a GTK theme
[01:26] <gunndawg> so which settings ?
[01:26] <holstein> system - preferences - appearances
[01:26] <holstein> customize
[01:27] <holstein> colors tab?
[01:27] <gunndawg> oh I see, for Input Boxes
[01:27] <holstein> i would assume input boxes
[01:27] <holstein> *not positive
[01:27] <gunndawg> hmm so no way to keep it default for webpages but keep them black for my GUI
[01:27] <gunndawg> dang
[01:27] <holstein> hmmm
[01:27] <holstein> im sure theres some way
[01:28] <gunndawg> I am hoping so
[01:28] <holstein> chromium can ignore the theme
[01:28] <holstein> system theme
[01:28] <gunndawg> oh it can ?
[01:28] <holstein> AFAIK
[01:28] <gunndawg> I use firefox, but should probably use chrome
[01:28] <holstein> nah
[01:28] <holstein> theres probably a plugin for FF too
[01:29] <holstein> its just never come up for me
[01:29] <NewLad> so i donwloaded a few of them drivers...when im under linux how do i actually install them/
[01:29] <holstein> maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/8336/how-can-one-make-firefox-ignore-my-gtk-theme-entirely
[01:29] <gunndawg> holstein, care to help me find one ? ;)
[01:30] <gunndawg> I am reading a possible solution holstein
[01:30] <holstein> NewLad: depends
[01:30] <holstein> the .deb packages are click and run
[01:30] <holstein> kinds like a .exe would be
[01:30] <NewLad> thers never just a straight forward answer, is there =D
[01:30] <holstein> other that that
[01:30] <holstein> other than that*
[01:31] <holstein> it depends on the package
[01:31] <holstein> there is usually documentation though
[01:31] <NewLad> mhm mhm i just plau around a bit and hope for the best ;)
[01:31] <holstein> about what you need, and how to install
[01:31] <NewLad> thanks so far holstein
[01:31] <holstein> NewLad: the .deb's are easy :)
[01:31] <holstein> and preferred
[01:31] <holstein> the .debs from the repos
[01:32] <NewLad> i shall try it so
[01:32] <gunndawg> holstein I think it might just be a matter of using a diff theme in firefox via tools > addons >themes, gonna test now
[01:32] <holstein> yeah
[01:32] <holstein> that looks easy
[01:32] <holstein> i was just getting around to checking that link
[01:32] <holstein> more thoroughly
[01:33] <gunndawg> holstein, yep, firefox even has a ubuntu theme ;) fixed my text box problem :)
[01:33] <holstein> :)
[01:34] <gunndawg> the tabs still use my GTK theme though, meh
[01:34] <gunndawg> oh well
[01:34] <gunndawg> holstein, nevermind it didnt fix my text box problem
[01:34] <holstein> :/
[01:34] <gunndawg> googles next box is normal, but then I go to youtube and its still black
[01:35] <holstein> env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/Simple/gtk-2.0/gtkrc firefox
[01:35] <holstein> what does that do?
[01:35] <gunndawg> was just about to try that
[01:35] <gunndawg> but I dont want it to kill my GTK theme
[01:35] <gunndawg> i'll give it a go
[01:36] <holstein> i just ran it
[01:36] <gunndawg> it indeed works
[01:36] <holstein> cool
[01:36] <holstein> so you got a couple options then
[01:38] <gunndawg> wonder what other themes I can use with that method
[01:38] <gunndawg> this one is very very plain, lol
[01:38] <holstein> i guess you can look in /usr/share/themes
[01:39] <gunndawg> yeah, I'll also need to make a shell script
[01:39] <gunndawg> to launch a browser
[01:39] <holstein> maybe Dust
[01:39] <holstein> or one of the not-so-dark ones
[01:39] <gunndawg> holstein, I use a matrix green/black theme, so dark wouldnt be so bad ;)
[01:43] <midhuno> hi all
[01:49] <gunndawg> holstein, you there ?
[01:49] <holstein> sure
[01:49] <holstein> whaddup
[01:50] <gunndawg> seems like no matter what theme I plug in there, it doesnt change
[01:50] <gunndawg> its always "simple"
[01:50] <gunndawg> tried redmond, dust, etc
[01:50] <holstein> make sure you got the jargon right
[01:51] <holstein>  /use/share/themes/Dust
[01:51] <holstein> not dust or whatever
[01:51] <holstein> other than that, im nor sure
[01:51] <holstein> not*
[01:52] <gunndawg> #!/bin/bash
[01:52] <gunndawg> env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/Dust/gtk-2.0/gtkrc firefox
[01:52] <gunndawg> thats the shell script I have been running
[01:53] <holstein> gunndawg: hmmm
[01:53] <holstein> its working for me
[01:53] <gunndawg> hm yeah it might have changed, but still black text boxes
[01:53] <holstein> i tried Simple, Dust and Redmond
[01:53] <gunndawg> let me try another one
[01:54] <gunndawg> alright Redmond works
[01:54] <gunndawg> its a pretty basic theme
[01:55] <holstein> you can probably find one that will hit some happy middle ground
[01:56] <gunndawg> hoping so, not all of them work with this method however
[01:56] <gunndawg> I am trying them out
[01:56] <holstein> modern, darkish, without black boxes
[01:58] <gunndawg> most of these do not work
[01:58] <gunndawg> only found 2 or 3 that do
[01:58] <holstein> interesting
[01:59] <gunndawg> grrr :(
[01:59] <holstein> seems like whichever i try works
[01:59] <gunndawg> really :?
[01:59] <holstein> must have something to do with the theme you're running
[02:00] <holstein> Zenyellow didnt seem to work
[02:00] <gunndawg> yeah dang, wonder if chrome is a better choice
[02:00] <gunndawg> I dont even have Zenyellow in my themes
[02:01] <holstein> maybe just tweaking your theme a bit
[02:01] <holstein> i used to try the dark themes
[02:01] <gunndawg> well it seems if I tweak the "input box" color it really screwes up my theme
[02:01] <holstein> and gave up on them
[02:01] <gunndawg> though it fixes the black box problem in firefox, it really screws my theme
[02:02] <holstein> looks slick
[02:02] <holstein> as long as you dont need to read anything ;)
[02:02] <gunndawg> lol
[02:02] <gunndawg> its pretty easy on the eyes for me
[02:02] <gunndawg> I quite like it
[02:02] <gunndawg> wanna see a screenshot ?
[02:02] <holstein> sure
[02:02] <gunndawg> ok hang on
[02:04] <gunndawg> http://tinypic.com/r/2vtwdbr/7
[02:04] <gunndawg> yeah the background/wallpaper might be a bit intrusive on the eyes, might change that
[02:05] <holstein> hehe
[02:05] <holstein> yeah, a bit too much contrast for me
[02:05] <holstein> slick :)
[02:05] <gunndawg> heh
[02:05] <gunndawg> just need to fix the browser, wonder if chrome would be a fix
[02:06] <holstein> it'll give you something else to tweak about for a few days ;)
[02:07] <gunndawg> yeah, i guess
[02:08] <gunndawg> http://tinypic.com/r/xc3gcy/7
[02:08] <gunndawg> that pic shows my dilema
[02:08] <gunndawg> you can see how it would be annoying
[02:09] <holstein> eh
[02:09] <holstein> when i was doing it
[02:09] <holstein> i just went with it
[02:09] <holstein> i thought it was kinda cool
[02:09] <gunndawg> when you were doing what? lol
[02:09] <holstein> a black theme like that
[02:10] <gunndawg> oh ok
[02:10] <gunndawg> yeah it would be ok if every webpage on the net was a black/green theme ;)
[02:10] <holstein> i think it was black a green too
[02:10] <gunndawg> but as a web developer my self, I am very OCD when it comes to styles
[02:10] <gunndawg> seeing those black text boxes and green text makes me wanna vomit, I am very picky as a developer
[02:11] <gunndawg> It looks great as my GUI, but when it carries over to the browser then its not so pretty
[02:13] <holstein> i theme the terminal like that still
[02:13] <gunndawg> yeah
[02:13] <holstein> green/black
[02:14] <gunndawg> dang, now "Simple" doesnt even work right when it launches
[02:14] <gunndawg> it used to
[02:15] <gunndawg> ok how do I get chrome on here? lol
[02:15] <holstein> i like env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/Weightless-industry/gtk-2.0/gtkrc firefox
[02:15] <holstein> gunndawg: sudo apt-get install chromium
[02:15] <holstein> gunndawg: sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[02:15] <holstein> ^^
[02:15] <gunndawg> k downloading it
[02:16] <gunndawg> this damn thing is gonna force me to write my own browser if it doesnt fix it, lol
[02:16] <gunndawg> I've done it before on windows
[02:17] <gunndawg> holy crap chrome is awesome, problem solved
[02:17] <gunndawg> it even utilizes my GTK theme as black/green for the chrome GUI but doesnt mess with the webpages
[02:17] <gunndawg> so now chrome actually looks like it belongs on my system, without messing up the pages
[02:23] <gunndawg> holstein, chrome even has a option for "Use GTK Theme"
[02:24] <holstein> gunndawg: no mp3 support out of the box
[02:24] <holstein> with chromium
[02:24] <holstein> but you can copy the plug in over from chrome
[02:25] <ddecator> firefox 4.0 works better on my system than chromium. just sayin', haha
[02:25] <holstein> ddecator: its fast again right?
[02:26] <gunndawg> ddecator, but firefox has complications with my GTK theme
[02:26] <ddecator> holstein: yup, much faster than 3.6, seems to load as fast as chromium for me
[02:26] <gunndawg> gives me black text boxes, etc
[02:26] <holstein> ff4 is not quite as peppy as chromium
[02:26] <holstein> on my system
[02:26] <ddecator> gunndawg: such as? the metacity theme should work fine, and you can use a persona to make it blend in better
[02:26] <holstein> BUT very close
[02:26] <gunndawg> ddecator if you wanna show me how then great, I can show you a screenshot of what its doing if you want
[02:27] <ddecator> yah, cold startup is a little slower, but not bad
[02:27] <ddecator> gunndawg: i can try to help, sure
[02:27] <gunndawg> http://tinypic.com/r/xc3gcy/7
[02:27] <gunndawg> thats what it does with firefox
[02:28] <gunndawg> very very ugly for displaying webpages, I use a matrix green/black GTK theme and it looks great as a GUI, but shouldnt carry over to my browser
[02:29] <ddecator> hm, well you can try using a persona, but i'm not sure if that would change the text color at all
[02:29] <gunndawg> ddecator, im open to giving it a try, not familiar with personas however
[02:29] <ddecator> gunndawg: http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/
[02:30] <ddecator> you can hover the cursor over them to preview them
[02:30] <ddecator> should work with 3.6+
[02:31] <gunndawg> let me try
[02:32] <ddecator> plus using small icons would save you screen real-estate
[02:32] <gunndawg> they even have an animated matrix one which would be great for my GTK theme
[02:32] <gunndawg> however no, personas do not fix the problem
[02:32] <gunndawg> still ugly black text boxes, lol
[02:33] <ddecator> hm, yah, i'm not sure that can be helped without changing the theme
[02:33] <ddecator> i'm guessing it'd still happen with 4.0
[02:34] <gunndawg> chromium seems to have gotten it right by allowing you to actually use ur GTK theme as a theme
[02:34] <gunndawg> and even without using ur GTK theme in chromium, just using the default setup/theme doesnt show black text boxes
[02:34] <kendrickLeiter> Hey, I need some input. I installed a DLink WDA2320 on a desktop; Ubuntu 9.04 won't recognize the hardware? Thoughts?
[02:35] <ddecator> yes and no. chromium just allows you to use the theme to change the colors of the window decoration, but that doesn't integrate the entire theme as much as firefox. depending on the theme, one or the other may look better
[02:35] <gunndawg> ddecator, I guess the bottom line is, chromium displays webpages as they were inteded to be, without carrying my GTK theme settings over to the text boxes, buttons, etc
[02:36] <ddecator> gunndawg: and i'm just saying that that's true, but some people like their webbrowser to use their theme so it integrates with the system better :)
[02:37] <gunndawg> ddecator, but I cant use my theme in firefox without it ruining the look, and flow the the website, black text boxes on white bakgrounds just kills it
[02:37] <gunndawg> and looks terrible
[02:37] <gunndawg> so there has to be some sort of happy medium
[02:38] <holstein> kendrickLeiter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=387832
[02:38] <holstein> might need backports?
[02:38] <holstein> i would check lspci
[02:38] <holstein> then just google around i suppose
[02:38] <holstein> maybe try some other live CD's
[02:38] <holstein> see if anything auto-magical happens
[02:41] <kendrickLeiter> Thanks. Had found that thread already off Google, but will try the live CD and see if it helps
[02:42] <holstein> does it show up in lspci?
[02:43] <kendrickLeiter> I'm very new...what is lspci?
[02:43] <holstein> kendrickLeiter: open up a terminal
[02:43] <holstein> and run
[02:43] <holstein> lspci
[02:43] <holstein> you should see the device listed there
[02:43] <kendrickLeiter> Ahhh. Thank you. Will check and see right now
[02:44] <holstein> doesnt mean that its going to work
[02:44] <holstein> but its a good first step
[02:45] <holstein> gotta run...
[02:45] <kendrickLeiter> thanks for your help
[02:54] <kendrickLeiter> Hey, I need some input. I installed a DLink WDA-2320 on a desktop; Ubuntu 9.04 won't recognize the hardware? Thoughts?
[02:58] <MrChrisDruif> kendrickLeiter: You could check google and see what is says....or try ubuntu 10.10 (9.04 isn't LTS)
[03:01] <kendrickLeiter> I don't have a means of backing up; and I'm worried about losing data. Going to 10.10 from a live CD, is there a cause for concern?
[03:06] <gunndawg> sweet, I just transformed my laptop into a desktop station. took the desktop monitor off the desk, plopped down the laptop and plugged in an extra mouse and keyboard
[03:06] <gunndawg> so much easier
[03:08] <MrChrisDruif> kendrickLeiter: Well...."install" from a liveCD (without a separate /home partition) means that everything is wipe
[03:08] <MrChrisDruif> Upgrade from current installation isn't ideal, I've had issues in the past after a version update
[03:08] <MrChrisDruif> version=release
[03:08] <gunndawg> Is Pidgin still the best alternative for using AIM, and MSN messengers on ubuntu ?
[03:08] <kendrickLeiter> Thanks; I almost lost my data.
[03:10] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: It's your best bet.
[03:10] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I even use it for iRC.
[03:10] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: In my eyes; yes
[03:11] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, I prefer Weechat-curses for my IRC, its more of a terminal based/style client
[03:11] <MrChrisDruif> But Empathy is also multi-protocol...but I've had a bug with it...
[03:11] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine,MrChrisDruif, I'll give Pidgin a shot, thx
[03:12] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I chose Pidgin primarily because of its extensibility. I personally love software you can "plug on" to.
[03:12] <MrChrisDruif> kendrickLeiter: But try to find a way of backing up your data, even upgrading can (in extremely rare cases) remove user data
[03:12] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, what do you mean by that? (curious)
[03:14] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Well, I left Empathy because of its lack of a plugin structure, and Pidgin allows any to just create and install a plugin. Personally, I like adding little features to programs that ease my use. Like in Chrome, or in LibreOffice, or even in IDEs such as NetBeans or Geany.
[03:14] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: There are lots and lots of plug-ins available for Pidgin
[03:14] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, MrchristDruif, sounds excellent. I am a bit of a manipulator my self, sounds great
[03:15] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, MrChrisDruif, I have got my entire GUI set up with a GTK and emerald theme to mimick the matrix ;)
[03:15] <JackyAlcine> I have a plugin for Pidgin that allows you to watch YouTube videos in the window, or share a screenshot.
[03:15] <JackyAlcine> :D lol
[03:15] <gunndawg> I just need to find a dock that has a matrix style green/black theme and it'll be complete
[03:16] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: I saw something like that pass this day...
[03:16] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif saw a matrix styled dock ?
[03:16] <MrChrisDruif> JackyAlcine: which plug-in is that? :-/
[03:17] <MrChrisDruif> And no, but someone was asking questions about installing some matrix theme...
[03:17] <MrChrisDruif> I could try to read back, but it was probably you :)
[03:17] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif, oh ok, its a great theme, loving it, bit tricky to set up however
[03:17] <JackyAlcine> MrChrisDruif: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-embeddedvideo/ for video
[03:17] <JackyAlcine> And for screenshos: http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-sendscreenshot/
[03:18] <MrChrisDruif> Great, thanks JackyAlcine :)
[03:18] <MrChrisDruif> I'll have a look tomorrow
[03:18] <JackyAlcine> No problem.
[03:18] <gunndawg> I am also using a terminal screenlet which embeds a terminal window of my sizing to the desktop, pretty neat
[03:27] <gunndawg> got quiet in here
[03:29] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Sorry, I'm a developer and I'm under the heat of pushing out to deadlines. =x
[03:29] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: If you're not looking for help though, head to #ubuntu-beginners-offtopic
[03:30] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, no help needed at the moment, I am a developer as well, thats why I ventured to linux to see what I can do here
[03:30] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Are you interested in helping with Unity? There's currently a class session in #ubuntu-classroom about it.
[03:31] <yax51> ok so the resolution on my screen got changed and now I can't access the menus to change it back, is there a shortcut key to use?
[03:32] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, will give it a look! thx
[03:32] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You won''t be able to talk though, go to #ubuntu-classroom-chat to ask questions and talk with peers.
[03:32] <JackyAlcine> It'll be redirected to #ubuntu-classroom by the instructors.
[03:33] <gunndawg> What is the unity project ?
[03:33] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: Alt+F2 > Monitors ?
[03:34] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: It's a new desktop interface for Ubuntu. If you're curious about it, you should test-run Natty Narwhal Alpha 1 and see for yourself.
[03:34] <seidos> !unity
[03:34] <ubot2> Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com and http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/31/unity-some-further-clarification-points/ for more information. Have a question, check http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/unity
[03:34] <MrChrisDruif> And the desktop doesn't move with the mouse?
[03:34] <gunndawg> oh I've seen Natty before
[03:34] <JackyAlcine> I think the Ubuntu One setup is fantastic now, it looks too cool to me.
[03:35] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: Or run the netbook remix, it also go Unity, but not in the way like natty is going to get
[03:35] <holstein> how about alt-F2 gnome-display-properties
[03:35] <holstein> yax51:
[03:35] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif I'd like to mess with Natty a bit more, but think I'll wait until it progresses in terms of development
[03:36] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: Hence I suggested netbook remix...it's available for 10.10 and 10.04 if I'm not mistaken :)
[03:36] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I love playing with dangerous code that's not perfected ;)
[03:37] <gunndawg> I am also quite new to Ubuntu, as you can tell by now I am sure, Not sure I'd be of much use poking around unpolished code ;) could fry my own hardware
[03:37] <yax51> holstein: thanks that worked
[03:37] <holstein> :)
[03:38] <gunndawg> I have spent the last 2 days just personalizing, and customizing the look and feel. Havent even gotten into the nitty gritty of what this system can do, heh
[03:38] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: I'm "customizing" every day :)
[03:39] <MrChrisDruif> I'm gonna make a deviation of the Elementary Icon set...
[03:39] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif, I do not doubt it, its been quite an addicting adventure so far, I find my self tweaking settings into the early AM hours
[03:40] <MrChrisDruif> I think they've got too much of the same color....gonna change the folders with the orange ones from Ubuntu :P
[03:40] <gunndawg> just now put a translucent terminal window on the desktop
[03:40] <MrChrisDruif> But I'll be off.....twenty to five AM here :P
[03:41] <gunndawg> okie dokie
[03:41] <MrChrisDruif> (Holland, probably your next question ;))
[03:41] <gunndawg> see ya about
[03:55] <seidos> paultag, ah, i don't think i can download the source from apt-get, i get an error message.  could the fact that i am using karmic now have something to do with that?
[03:55] <paultag> seidos: yeah, could be. git clone git://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox.git
[04:06] <yax51_> does anyone know anything about virtualbox? I can't seem to release the mouse...
[04:10] <AbhiJit> yax51_, right control button
[04:12] <yax51_> AbhiJit: yeah, that doesn't work...
[04:12] <AbhiJit> yax51_, #vbox
[04:12] <yax51_> AbhiJit: thanks
[04:47] <seidos> how do i download source from git://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox.git ?
[04:47] <seidos> i tried git git://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox.git and wget git://git.fluxbox.org/fluxbox.git
[04:47] <seidos> but that didn't work
[04:47] <seidos> git clone?
[04:48] <seidos> hmmm, looks like it
[05:06] <eyebyte> hello all
[05:12] <eyebyte> anyone up?
[06:37] <gunndawg> Hey, anyone know why when I try to launch TF2 in steam, it gets to the part where it says "Preparing to Launch Team Foretress 2" but the game never launches
[06:39] <gunndawg> hey Gnea
[06:39] <gunndawg> I got a brain scratcher for ya
[06:42] <yax51> does anyone know a chat client, other then skype that allows video?
[06:42] <yax51> that works on maverick?
[06:44] <gunndawg> Gnea..
[06:46] <JackyAlcine> Hey, gunndawg, you're still around. lol.
[06:47] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: And Pidgin supports video chat.
[06:48] <Guest46477> hi guys, I'm having some problems compiling software from source code. can anybody help me :)
[06:49] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine
[06:49] <gunndawg> how do I get to task manager
[06:49] <gunndawg> I need to close some processes
[06:50] <Guest46477> I have managed to download and extract the contents of the .tar file but beyond that I get stuck.
[06:51] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You're a Windows user. :D Open System Monitor if you can, open a terminal and type in gnome-system-monitor. IF you can't do neither of that, switch to a TTY and run top, and when you find the process name, run killall <processname>
[06:51] <JackyAlcine> Guest46477: Usually source distros incorporate a configure/auto.conf file. Do you see that?
[06:52] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: sorry is that directed at me?
[06:52] <gunndawg> got it Dackyalcine, now why did you want me to install video chat plug-in?
[06:52] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You asked what supported video chat  in Ubuntu ;)
[06:53] <JackyAlcine> and Guest46477: yeah, the one with your name, I'm helping you out.
[06:54] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: Let me check the directory - one moment
[06:55] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: yes there is a file by the name of configure
[06:56] <JackyAlcine> Guest46477: Alright, now navigate to that directory in a terminal window (cd <directory>).
[06:56] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: done
[06:56] <JackyAlcine> run ./configure
[06:57] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: I ran it and got the following error message: configure: error: in `/home/alvin/Downloads/alienarena-7.50':
[06:57] <Guest46477> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables
[06:57] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: It's a game
[06:58] <JackyAlcine> There isn't a autoconf file?
[06:58] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine:let me double check
[06:58] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: not that I can see
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> Guest46477: alright run 'make' in that folder.
[06:59] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, I never asked what supported video chat, lol
[06:59] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: ok
[06:59] <JackyAlcine> Guest46477: Just for reference, there should be a README and INSTALL file in that directory explaining the proper rules for compiling.
[07:00] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[07:01] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: the readme file specifies the same thing   $ ./configure
[07:01] <Guest46477>   $ make
[07:01] <Guest46477>   $ sudo make install
[07:02] <JackyAlcine> Hmm.. Can you link me to a download of this code?
[07:03] <Guest46477> JackyAlcine: sure thing: http://red.planetarena.org/aquire.html
[07:05] <Guest46477> you can use anyone of the download links
[07:11] <gunndawg> alright im back
[07:12] <Guest81145> sorry my connection dropped out
[07:13] <JackyAlcine> Guest81145: you should associate a nickname (/nick <nickname>) so I could identify you easier, but I'm downloading the SVN repo right now.
[07:22] <gunndawg> Tryin to figure out what else I wanna do with my setup
[07:23] <gunndawg> I would use a dock but cant find one that uses a matrix theme to match the rest of my GUI
[07:23] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You looked at CarioDock?
[07:25] <Guest81145> I would recommend AWN
[07:25] <Guest81145> It's stable fast and unobtrusive
[07:30] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, no, is it good ?
[07:31] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: It's pretty flexible, can support OpenGL, and has a bunch of themes, I'd believe that there's one for you.
[07:32] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, will give it a look!
[07:35] <Jimbo> Hi I am trying to install a lightweight version of ubuntu on an old Toshiba 1800 Has a trident video card any clues as to which (old) version may install easily ??
[07:37] <gunndawg> installing it now JackyAlcine
[07:37] <gunndawg> Jimbo there is lbuntu
[07:37] <gunndawg> which is a light version of Ubuntu
[07:38] <Jimbo> Hi tried that would not even start to install Suspect hot hardware it is 40 deg C here today
[07:38] <JackyAlcine> !lubuntu | Jimbo
[07:38] <ubot2> Jimbo: lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support.
[07:39] <Jimbo> Will try to start Lbuntu install again
[07:40] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, alright I got that dock installed, quite nice
[07:40] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, would gnome-look.org carry themes for it ?
[07:56] <gunndawg> welcome back JackyAlcine
[07:56] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Thanks, and yes, gnome-look.org has.
[07:56] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, not sure they have a matrix theme however :(
[07:58] <gunndawg> welcome back again, having connection issues ?
[07:58] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Yeah, but I think I fixed it.
[07:58] <gunndawg> oh ok
[07:58] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: They might have something similar to it, there's a good chance of it.
[07:59] <gunndawg> They do not have a seperate section for cairo dock themes so its kinda hard to sort thru all their stuff
[07:59] <gunndawg> if I could get a lime green sorta theme, that'd be sufficient
[07:59] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Right click the dock and go to the settings, there's a list of themes in there.
[08:00] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, aye, not very sutiable ones ;)
[08:01] <JackyAlcine> hm..
[08:01] <gunndawg> between GTK, Emerald, and Cairo Dock I will one day have a finished matrix setup
[08:01] <gunndawg> Emerald, and GTK have been nice so far
[08:03] <andrew_46> gunndawg: You are outfitting your desktop with Matrix themes?
[08:03] <gunndawg> andrew_46, yes, and so far its pretty cool lookin
[08:03] <gunndawg> just need to get a theme for Cairo Dock
[08:04] <gunndawg> with all the effects, colors, emerald themes, GTK, etc... opening a simple terminal box looks like im ready to jack into the matrix, lol
[08:04] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Not many people know that a recent version of MPlayer will allow you to play movies back with a Matrix video out setting
[08:05] <gunndawg> andrew_46, what do you mean?
[08:05] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Just a sec and I will rustle up a screenshot
[08:06] <gunndawg> im still trying to figure out how to organize these icons on the dock
[08:06] <gunndawg> and what those little spacers are for because so far I have 2 icons for irc chat window, only need the 1, not sure why its showing 2
[08:10] <andrew_46> gunndawg: The Owls of Ga'Hoole played with MPlayer and matrixview: http://www.andrews-corner.org/tmp/matrixview.png
[08:11]  * andrew_46 thinks perhaps this is one for huuuge Matrix fans only....
[08:12] <gunndawg> andrew_46 yeah just a theme and desktop is good enough for me :)
[08:19] <gunndawg> this cairo dock is kind of annoying me considering its not set up right
[08:23] <andrew_46> gunndawg: Just looking at some screenshots of cairo dock, looks very much like the Apple dock?
[08:24] <gunndawg> andrew_46, yeah but dont all docks look like apple docks? lol
[08:25] <andrew_46> Looks like it I guess :). I have never really dabbled in this area
[08:26] <gunndawg> ah never used a dock?
[08:26] <gunndawg> they can be cool, but also annoying
[08:26] <gunndawg> the effects and the fact that this utilizes OpenGL is kinda cool
[08:26] <gunndawg> but I dunno
[08:26] <andrew_46> I use a pretty vanilla installation of xfce, not much in the way of extras
[08:27] <gunndawg> i'll show you a screenshot of my setup if you want
[08:27] <andrew_46> Sounds good
[08:29] <gunndawg> http://tinypic.com/r/1zvx5qh/7
[08:30] <andrew_46> Very nice, just needs a movie playing with -vo matrixview :)
[08:31] <gunndawg> meh, that might be to much
[08:31] <gunndawg> I really like the green/black theme though, and the green glow around windows
[08:32] <andrew_46> But where is the dock?
[08:32] <gunndawg> and the Chromimum browser uses your theme for its browser
[08:32] <gunndawg> so its all set up for my browser also
[08:33] <gunndawg> andrew_46 I turned the dock off because I couldnt get it to function how I wanted
[08:33] <andrew_46> gunndawg: More work ahead :)
[08:34] <gunndawg> andrew_46 yeah, if I could a green/black theme for the dock to match and fit my current theme then I'd be more motivated to figure it out, heh
[08:35] <andrew_46> hobgoblin: hi :)
[08:35] <hobgoblin> hi
[08:35] <gunndawg> hey hey
[08:35] <andrew_46> gunndawg: I will no post a screenshot of my own desktop as it is more than a little sparse compared to yours :)
[08:38] <tdn> I have just installed Kubuntu 10.10 on my laptop. For some reason wifi does not wokr. I cannot even see knetworkmanager. This has worked out of the box as long as I can remember, but for some reason does not in 10.10. How to fix this?
[08:40] <gunndawg> andrew_46, alright
[08:40] <gunndawg> andrew_46 I need to run to the store, so save it for when I get back ok? like 15mins
[09:00] <gunndawg> alright im back
[09:02] <gunndawg> gonna reboot
[09:09] <JackyAlcine> try asking for in #ubuntu
[09:14] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, what are some decent C and C++ compilers for Ubuntu ?
[09:14] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: compilers or IDEs?
[09:14] <gunndawg> I suppose IDE's
[09:14] <yofel> !ide
[09:14] <ubot2> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, pida, monodevelop, geany - Others: eclipse, netbeans, qtcreator
[09:15] <JackyAlcine> yofel's the man.
[09:15] <JackyAlcine> :D
[09:15] <yofel> hm. codeblocks isn't on the list, but quite good
[09:15] <gunndawg> lol, I have vim, I use it for shell scripting
[09:15] <gunndawg> but I dont think it compiles C or C++
[09:15] <yofel> yay, a fellow vim user :D
[09:15] <JackyAlcine> I recommend NetBeans over all. Its code completion and refactoring is amazing.
[09:15] <yofel> no, compiler would be gcc / g++
[09:15] <JackyAlcine> For C++ at least.
[09:15] <gunndawg> ah ok, codeblocks works in ubuntu?
[09:16] <yofel> sure
[09:16] <gunndawg> I dont know that I wanna deal with the hassle of setting up my own compiler, would rather use an IDE that has one pre-configured
[09:16] <yofel> !info codeblocks
[09:17] <yofel> hm, archive lookup disabled I guess..
[09:17] <gunndawg> I am familiar with codeblocks yofel, used it many a time on winbloz
[09:17] <gunndawg> winblowz
[09:17] <yofel> ^^
[09:18] <gunndawg> I am making the slow transition to linux, I removed it entirely from my laptop and put ubuntu on my laptop (using it now)
[09:18] <gunndawg> and eventually when I get more and more comfortable with ubuntu, my desktop machine will be getting blessed as well ;)
[09:18] <gunndawg> blessed and de-cursed
[09:18] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Try Eclipse.
[09:19] <gunndawg> JackyAcine, in my experience, Eclipse is a java ide/compiler, does it work with other languages ?
[09:19] <yofel> I think the archive version of eclipse is the java version, for C/++ you'll need the one from the website
[09:19] <gunndawg> ah ok
[09:20] <yofel> gunndawg: see http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/
[09:21] <gunndawg> yofel, which one of these do you suggest I get?
[09:21] <gunndawg> nvm
[09:21] <gunndawg> IDE for C/C++ dev
[09:21] <gunndawg> ;)
[09:21]  * gunndawg needs to put his beer away
[09:21] <yofel> I would guess so, I never used eclipse for anything other than java myself
[09:21] <gunndawg> yofel, I've been a long time C,C++,C# and recently Java dev on windows
[09:22] <gunndawg> so I am coming to linux to see what I can do here :)
[09:22] <gunndawg> loving linux so far btw, love the freedom
[09:30] <head_victim> This might sound stupid but I'm still looking to see if there is a way to "probe" usb devices. I have an internal card reader with multiple card readers hanging off what is essentially a USB device. When I accidentally hit the wrong button and remove it via the gui I cannot use the card reader again until another reboot. I do not have easy access to unplug and replug the device as it's directly connected to the MB on the ins
[09:30] <head_victim> ide of the case. Suggestions?
[09:31] <gunndawg> hey yofel any way to get rid of the white line highlighting on eclipse ?
[09:33] <yofel> no idea, sorry
[09:35] <gunndawg> lol, I can compile the code but cant run it, says its missing a binary, bah
[09:37] <ikonia> then it's not compiled
[09:42] <gunndawg> hi ikonia
[09:42] <gunndawg> didnt see ya sneak in here ;)
[09:48] <MrMintanet> Hello.  Is anyone awake?
[09:49] <Gnea> hello
[09:49] <gunndawg> I am
[09:49] <gunndawg> Hi Gnea
[09:49] <MrMintanet> I am getting an error when I startup Ubuntu.  It says something to the affect of "Serious errors were found on your hard drive" press I to ignore... etc. etc. etc.
[09:49] <Gnea> sup gunndawg
[09:49] <MrMintanet> The drive it is identifying passes all SMART tests
[09:49] <MrMintanet> What could be the problem?
[09:49] <gunndawg> just settin up a C++ dev enviroment here on ubuntu :)
[09:49] <Gnea> MrMintanet: does it eventually actually finish booting up?
[09:49] <MrMintanet> I didn't wait for it
[09:49] <Gnea> awesome
[09:49] <MrMintanet> I just hit "I"
[09:50] <Gnea> oh
[09:50] <Gnea> you should try it again, but wait for it to do its thing
[09:50] <Gnea> likely it's fscking the drive
[09:50] <JackyAlcine> MrMintanet: yes, let fsck do its job.
[09:50] <JackyAlcine> MrMintanet: you might regret it later.
[09:50] <MrMintanet> Is there any way to find out what it is doing?
[09:50] <JackyAlcine> MrMintanet: press ESC, it'll toggle the terminal windwo
[09:50] <Gnea> er, it's fscking the drive.... sort of like what chkdsk does for FAT32/NTFS
[09:50] <JackyAlcine> *window
[09:51] <MrMintanet> But it is a spare drive
[09:51] <MrMintanet> And I just formatted it
[09:51] <Gnea> it doesn't matter
[09:51] <Gnea> if it needs to fsck, it's going to fsck
[09:51] <MrMintanet> Ok, sorry, but what are you saying I should do?
[09:51] <Gnea> and interrupting it can cause more problems than solutions
[09:51] <Gnea> reboot, let it do its thing... go make a pizza or something
[09:51] <JackyAlcine> Gnea: lol, make a pizza. :D
[09:52] <MrMintanet> It didn't want to scan.  It asked "Press I to ignore, S to skip, or M to manually repair" or something like that...
[09:52] <JackyAlcine> MrMintanet: Press F.
[09:52] <Gnea> JackyAlcine: heh, heard of eggdrop?
[09:52] <MrMintanet> I will reboot.  Sorry.  I have a new born son and haven't gotten much sleep lately!
[09:52] <gunndawg> congratz on the new born
[09:52] <Gnea> MrMintanet: understandable
[09:52] <gunndawg> :)
[09:52] <Gnea> yes, congrats :)
[09:52] <MrMintanet> Trying to setup a kick ass media server for the home using Ubuntu
[09:53] <gunndawg> MrMintanet, well ubuntu will do it :)
[09:53] <MrMintanet> I have a GoogleTV from Logitech Revue and I want to get it all fung shwaaaaay for my wife.
[09:53] <Gnea> MrMintanet: sounds do-able. heh, a good friend of mine who's also an open source geek just had his first son just a couple months ago... everytime I see him, he looks like he's about ready to fall over in his chair lol
[09:53] <gunndawg> MrMintanet, dont pass off fancy technology in lue for a few nights out with the guys ;)
[09:55] <MrMintanet> I really think that the Logitech Revue is horrible
[09:55] <MrMintanet> I am shocked at how pathetic it is at using various codecs
[09:55] <gunndawg> never used it
[09:55] <Gnea> don't know much about the lotitech revue
[09:55] <Gnea> *logitech
[09:55] <MrMintanet> It's pretty cool... in theory.  lol
[09:55] <MrMintanet> Ok, rebooting
[09:55] <MrMintanet> Let's see if I know what I'm doing
[09:55] <gunndawg> ok
[09:55] <MrMintanet> THX
[09:56] <Gnea> oh my
[09:56] <gunndawg> Gnea, I downloaded the C/C++ IDE of netbeans from their site and it arrives in a shell file, .sh
[09:56] <gunndawg> but when I open it
[09:56] <gunndawg> I get an error
[09:56] <Gnea> gunndawg: how did you try to open it and what's the error?
[09:57] <gunndawg> gedit has not been able to detect the character encoding.
[09:57] <Gnea> oh
[09:57] <Gnea> don't use gedit lol
[09:57] <Daniel0108> gunndawg, you have to make the shell file executable
[09:57] <gunndawg> I tried to both double click it, and tried to run it manually via terminal
[09:57] <Gnea> it's a shell script with a binary attached inside
[09:57] <gunndawg> so... what do I do?
[09:57] <gunndawg> lol
[09:57] <Daniel0108> gunndawg, right click on the shell script, click properties
[09:57] <Gnea> well, to run it manually, chmod 700 and then run it from the terminal
[09:57] <Daniel0108> go to the permissions tab, gunndawg
[09:58] <gunndawg> ok Daniel0108
[09:58] <Daniel0108> gunndawg, and tick Allow executing file as program
[09:58] <Daniel0108> then close the properties dialog and open the shell script ;)
[09:58] <gunndawg> Thank you Daniel
[09:58] <gunndawg> and Gnea I wasnt ignore your advice, DAniel0108 was just on-to something :)
[09:58] <Daniel0108> Your welcome, gunndawg ;)
[09:59] <JackyAlcine> lol, or chmod +x <filename> :D
[09:59] <gunndawg> JacyAlcine, well, thats just another trick of the trade I need to learn
[09:59] <Gnea> yeah, that works too
[09:59] <gunndawg> I am not a know it all anymore :(
[09:59] <gunndawg> I am out of my realm!
[10:00] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I left Windows around early August last year. And I learned so much about computers ever since.
[10:01] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I can't go back, Windows is SO constricting.
[10:01] <Gnea> JackyAlcine: you have stepped over from the darkside... ;)
[10:02] <JackyAlcine> :D and I'm embracing the light!
[10:02] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine I have used ubuntu for 3 - 4 days now and I have already preached that same thing to a buddy
[10:03] <gunndawg> i told him "you know, after using linux I feel like windows is so locked down, and primitive, and on top of that, you gotta PAY for litterly everything, even protection"
[10:04] <gunndawg> heck, they even want you to pay for winzip, just to extract .zip files! (of course I never paid ;)... )
[10:04] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: There are some advantages that Windows has, but I think my time in Ubuntu will be the times when such features will be so easy to find.
[10:04] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Neither have I! I used 7zip :D
[10:04] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine , aside from gaming, what advantage does winblowz have over linux ?
[10:04] <gunndawg> I used winrar
[10:05] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Word processing (notice the lack of a grammar engine in LibreOffice/OpenOffice, there's one in AbiWord i think) is one.
[10:06] <gunndawg> JackyAlcine, I used OpenOffice even when I was on winblowz, lol
[10:06] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[10:06] <gunndawg> hello kristian
[10:07] <Gnea> I tend to play games only in linux these days, there's a good number of them
[10:07] <gunndawg> Gnea, I was about to get into gaming here and installed wine and steam so I could do it
[10:07] <gunndawg> but what games do you play that run good on linux ?
[10:08] <JoeMaverickSett> PyChess, GLTron, SuperTuxKart, Chromium BSU
[10:08] <Gnea> I've found that steam really sucks - it's just another lock-in and some games don't work right
[10:09] <JoeMaverickSett> battle for wesnoth and 0 A.D :)
[10:09] <gunndawg> Gnea ah ok
[10:09] <gunndawg> crap now I wanna install this netbeans because its not the right version, but im not sur how to, I didnt get it via package manager
[10:09] <gunndawg> so I dont know how to uninstall it, lol it isntalled via that shell script
[10:09] <Gnea> gunndawg: frozen buggle, megaglest, battle for wesnoth, osmos, lincity, among others
[10:09] <JoeMaverickSett> Gnea: osmos is really cool. :D
[10:10] <Gnea> JoeMaverickSett: yeah, I still haven't gotten around to getting the full version yet
[10:10] <JoeMaverickSett> Gnea: me too. :|
[10:10] <Gnea> but I'm considering it when I can afford it
[10:10] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: http://www.penguspy.com <-- all linux games. ;)
[10:10] <kristian-aalborg> which command should I use to get the CPU temperature? ATM I use "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature", but I always get the same result...
[10:11] <gunndawg> how do I uninstall this netbeans, lol
[10:11] <Gnea> kristian-aalborg: install lm-sensors
[10:11] <gunndawg> I cant even uninstall something, I feel so noob :(
[10:11] <Gnea> gunndawg: sudo apt-get remove package
[10:12] <gunndawg> Gnea but i didnt download it via apt
[10:12] <Gnea> gunndawg: oh... the .sh?
[10:12] <MrMintanet> Ok, I'm back!  :(
[10:12] <Gnea> MrMintanet: sup?
[10:12] <gunndawg> Gnea, yes
[10:12] <MrMintanet> I continue to get that error when booting up
[10:12] <MrMintanet> There is no "F" for fix option
[10:12] <Gnea> gunndawg: run it like this:  ./file.sh --help
[10:13] <Gnea> gunndawg: see if it has an uninstall function
[10:13] <MrMintanet> I , S, or M are the only options
[10:13] <gunndawg> Gnea ok
[10:13] <Gnea> MrMintanet: okay, there ought to be a way to make it so that you don't see any GUI during bootup, but all of the text from the kernel that tells you exactly what's going on
[10:14] <MrMintanet> It's a black screen, then shows "Ubuntu 10.10" in very boring text...  four red and white dots below...
[10:14] <gunndawg> Gnea, no uninstall script
[10:14] <Gnea> MrMintanet: yeah, that's the bootup GUI
[10:14] <MrMintanet> Then it displays the error
[10:14] <MrMintanet> I know these drives are healthy.
[10:14] <Gnea> gunndawg: meh.. that's why I don't like installing from .sh files
[10:15] <gunndawg> Gnea, its usually frowned upon in windows, but can I just delete the netbeans folder ?
[10:15] <Gnea> gunndawg: I try to go out of my way to find a .deb somewhere
[10:15] <MrMintanet> If it's any help, I just set these drives up to "mountall" in the /etc/fstab
[10:15] <Gnea> gunndawg: that might actually work
[10:15] <MrMintanet> Would that be the source of that problem?
[10:15] <gunndawg> ok
[10:15] <Gnea> MrMintanet: if they're not system drives, possibly
[10:15] <MrMintanet> They are spare drives
[10:15] <kristian-aalborg> Gnea: this is a desktop
[10:15] <kristian-aalborg> ?
[10:16] <gunndawg> Gnea, well its gone, but I still have the netbeans icon showing up in the applications > programming menu :(
[10:16] <Gnea> MrMintanet: IOW, if they're not important to the basic running system, then they aren't critical and no, shouldn't be included in fstab
[10:16] <Gnea> kristian-aalborg: what?
[10:16] <marku379> hi there
[10:16] <MrMintanet> I need these drives to mount on startup
[10:16] <MrMintanet> I am setting up a file server
[10:17] <MrMintanet> I want all of the drives to be mounted on boot
[10:17] <kristian-aalborg> I thought lm-sensors was for laptops only
[10:17] <marku379> im new to linux and looking for a player which can play .avi
[10:17] <Gnea> MrMintanet: the system will find them and mount them for you, you don't need them in fstab
[10:17] <JackyAlcine> marku379: Totem and VLC can.
[10:17] <MrMintanet> I will try again
[10:17] <MrMintanet> Sheeeesh
[10:17] <marku379> what would yous recommend?
[10:17] <MrMintanet> :(
[10:17] <Gnea> kristian-aalborg: nope, it works on anything
[10:17] <marku379> thanking tyou JackyAlcine
[10:17] <JackyAlcine> no problem, marku379
[10:18] <Gnea> MrMintanet: they ought to mount in /media/somewhere if not set in fstab, should work fine
[10:18] <MrMintanet> This is the line I added to /etc/fstab  ->  dev/sdb1 /media/DATA ext4 defaults 0 1
[10:18] <gunndawg> Gnea, I removed the netbeans folder now the icon still shows up under the Applications > programming menu (with a ? as an icon)
[10:18] <kristian-aalborg> aha, I have it already.... "sensors" gives the same output as the command I showed before
[10:18] <MrMintanet> Anyone?
[10:18] <Gnea> MrMintanet: yeah, I'd just remove that line and reboot, it should mount it on its own after all is said and done there
[10:19] <Gnea> kristian-aalborg: okay
[10:19] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: well, you could also delete that by right clicking the menu > Edit Menu > go to the appropriate category for it (probably Programming) > delete that.
[10:20] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, Thank you. I know this is very basic and easy stuff but until I learn it, I wont know it, so I appologize for the easy fixes
[10:20] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: nah, it's ok. that's what people in this room are here to do, to help each other. ;)
[10:20] <MrMintanet> When I boot up my system, i have two brand new drives (one hooked up externally via eSATA and the other connected internally SATA) both on the same controller.  The drives pass smart tests and all diagnostics, however... when I boot my system, my boot haults and says that there is a critical error with my system, I can "Ignore" "Skip" or "Manually Repair" the problem.  I have added "dev/sdb1 /media/DATA ext4 default
[10:20] <MrMintanet> s 0 1" to the end of my /etc/fstab file so that these spare drives mount on startup.   Can anyone advise what I am doing wrong?
[10:21] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, thanks :)
[10:21] <kristian-aalborg> Gnea: it just seems weird that the temp. is exactly the same at all times?
[10:21] <gunndawg> I am gonna try that Battle for Wesnoth game now, brb :)
[10:22] <Gnea> er
[10:22] <Gnea> kristian-aalborg: perhaps you need something that keeps a constant eye on it for you on the desktop, like gkrellm
[10:23] <JoeMaverickSett> perhaps, conky? :D
[10:24] <Gnea> or conky :)
[10:32] <gunndawg> wow Battle for Wesnoth is awesome
[10:32] <gunndawg> love games like this
[10:35] <gunndawg> can't imagine how many other quality games are out there
[10:35] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: search around at the website/link i gave ya. pretty cool stuffs. ;)
[10:36] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, yes sir, I am looking now :) excited
[10:36] <gunndawg> I <3 linux
[10:36] <geirha> openttd
[10:36] <geirha> great game too
[10:36] <gunndawg> I have made a few simple games my self using the SDL library in C++, wonder if I can contribute here on linux
[10:37] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: hit me with it. ;)
[10:37]  * gunndawg gives JoeMaverickSett an air high five
[10:37] <gunndawg> they even have MMORPG's for linux? free to play?
[10:41] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett that site you gave me wants credit card info to download the games
[10:43] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: O_O
[10:44] <gunndawg> JoeMaverickSett, thats not fun!
[10:44] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: i don't need to give my credit card info.
[10:44]  * JoeMaverickSett doesn't even have one.
[10:45] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: which game did you try to download?
[10:45] <gunndawg> the Mad Motocross game
[10:45] <gunndawg> something like that
[10:45] <gunndawg> Mad Skills Motocross
[10:46] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: well, it has a "buy" version and "demo"
[10:46] <gunndawg> yeah
[10:46] <JoeMaverickSett> gunndawg: and penguspy.com doesn't provide direct downloads, it links to homepages.
[10:47] <gunndawg> maybe the Ubuntu Software Center spoiled me
[10:48] <JoeMaverickSett> well, just because it's a linux game it doesn't always mean it's free. although most i play are. e.g Osmos or World of Goo, you need to pay to play the full version.
[10:48] <gunndawg> heh
[10:48] <gunndawg> that yeah I got spoiled and carried away
[10:48] <gunndawg> thought I was in a 100% free world ;)
[10:49] <gunndawg> when im only in a 99% free world
[10:49] <JoeMaverickSett> if you searched only for free games, you will get free games. :D
[10:50] <gunndawg> but that motocross game is listed on their as free
[10:50] <gunndawg> when I click that button
[10:50] <gunndawg> lol
[10:50] <gunndawg> the free button
[10:51] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, i get it, it's autoclicked so if you go and click it, it shows only commercial, the button has to be _blue_ to indicate it has been clicked. :D
[10:52] <JoeMaverickSett> if it is white, it means you cancel it.
[10:52] <JoeMaverickSett> look at the URL. :D
[10:53] <gunndawg> well then the game shows up on both free and not freet
[10:53] <gunndawg> im confused
[10:53] <gunndawg> lol
[10:55] <gunndawg> looks awesome enough I might buy it
[10:55] <gunndawg> reminds me of excite bike on nintendo
[10:56] <gunndawg> with enhanced physics
[10:56] <gunndawg> I don't mind supporting developers
[11:05] <newlad> hello, me again
[11:05] <newlad> ;)
[11:06] <newlad> a descent misuc playe, what would you use?
[11:06] <newlad> music player
[11:08] <newlad> is amarok any good?
[11:09] <gunndawg> hmmm I been wondering that my self
[11:09] <head_victim> If you want a full featured player then if you're using kde I'd suggest amarok, if you're using gnome I'd suggest exaile.
[11:10] <JoeMaverickSett> banshee! :D
[11:12] <newlad> thanki you
[11:13] <newlad> ill give them a try
[11:15] <gunndawg> Anyone know how to change the color of the text that people write to you in Pidgin?
[11:15] <gunndawg> its black by default but my theme calls for a black background so I have to highlight the text to read messages
[11:21] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: Preferences > Conversations.
[11:22] <gunndawg> JacyAlcine that just configures the outgoing messages
[11:22] <gunndawg> not the incoming
[11:23] <gunndawg> "This is how your outgoing message text will appear when you use protocols that support formatting."
[11:26] <MrMintanet> Hey, guys/gals
[11:26] <MrMintanet> Got a question, if anyone's awake.  )
[11:26] <gunndawg> sure
[11:27] <gunndawg> go ahead
[11:27] <gunndawg> I will try to help
[11:54] <newlad> is it possible to load my misuc saved under windows straight into exaile?#
[12:13] <gunndawg> im back!
[12:14] <iGee> hello
[12:15] <newlad> gunndawg: is is possible to load my misuc under windows into exaile?
[12:16] <iGee> exaile is good
[12:18] <gunndawg> newlad, im not sure ;(
[12:18] <gunndawg> I am new to linux my self
[12:18] <gunndawg> though it should be possible
[12:19] <newlad> dont seem to be clever enough ti figure it out =)
[12:21] <MrMintanet> I'm wanting to setup a web based camera surveillance program that I can access from anywhere.  I also want to be able to use pan/tilt/zoom.  Anyone?
[12:46] <iGee> Excuse , i have a problem with python2-6 idle under ubuntu10.04,who can help me
[12:47] <bioterror> !ask | iGee
[12:47] <ubot2> iGee: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[12:50] <iGee> sorry :-/  i install python idle thought Ubuntu Software Center
[12:52] <iGee> python idle can be used,but when i open a new window(ctrl+n),new window come out ,then i cannot input anything
[12:53] <gunndawg> does anyone know how to se the text color on the incoming text/messages on pidgin (msn)
[12:53] <gunndawg> I have a black bg, and the default incoming text is black
[12:59] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: You might have to disable incoming formatting.
[12:59] <JackyAlcine> gunndawg: I was looking for an option to change that, but it doesn't seem to have one.
[12:59] <ikonia> gunndawg: try to ask your question in one channel instead of across multiple channels
[13:00] <szczur> gunndawg, go to tools > Preferences
[13:01] <szczur> on Coversations tab click on the font and choose foreground colour
[13:01] <szczur> choose the colour you want
[13:02] <JackyAlcine> szczur: That changes _your_ foreground color.
[13:04] <szczur> hmm
[13:07] <gunndawg> im back :) I fixed my pidgin issue
[13:07] <gunndawg> thanks all
[13:56] <JustCJs> hello.ḿ having a problem wim with the cairo-dock in fluxbox
[13:57] <JustCJs> ve only been able to get fake transparancy to work
[13:57] <JustCJs> but this is kind of a waste of res as iḿ running xcompmgr anyway
[13:58] <MrChrisDruif> Does xcompmgr provide transparancy?
[13:59] <JustCJs> if i recall correctly it should.. or do i need something
[13:59] <JustCJs> like transset?
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> Are you sure it is running? Try "xcompmgr &" in terminal
[13:59] <MrChrisDruif> It should provide transparancy
[14:00] <JustCJs> yeah, is runnin.
[14:00] <JustCJs> the cairo dock just shows a black background
[14:01] <MrChrisDruif> Did you follow these ( http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Transparency ) instructions?
[14:01] <JustCJs> hm,ill take a look, thanks
[14:02] <JustCJs> other features seem to work fine though
[14:05] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, great to hear :)
[14:05] <MrChrisDruif> But you are running normal ubuntu right?
[14:06] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry...forgot your first line O:-)
[14:06] <JustCJs> yeah, actually i am
[14:06] <JustCJs> i seem to be able to get transparancy with transset-df
[14:06] <JustCJs> but somehow cairo-dock retains its black background
[14:07] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...I'm not experienced with Cairo dock...but isn't there an setting you might need to change?
[14:08] <JackyAlcine> JustCJs: Sounds like Metacity's composting is disabled. I'm not too sure about how to fix that; Ubuntu Tweak does it for me.
[14:08] <JustCJs> :/m running fluxbox actually
[14:08] <JustCJs> perhaps i should try if it works in metacity
[14:09] <JustCJs> i could try turning off opengl mode?
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> Might work, I don't know...
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> I don't really like cairo dock
[14:11] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[14:11] <JustCJs> very strange, it works fine in openbox :P
[14:11] <JustCJs> must be a fluxbox issue i suppose..
[14:12] <MrChrisDruif> I'm using Docky...only missing a few things to remove my top bar :P
[14:13] <JustCJs> hm, does it use gnome libs?
[14:14] <MrChrisDruif> Docky....don't know for sure ....prolly will
[14:15] <MrChrisDruif> If I remember right, you can check deps with aptitude [program]
[14:15] <MrChrisDruif> Or apt-get install [program] -i (or just say no when it's has shown it deps)
[14:15] <JustCJs> oh, right :P thks for your help anyway
[14:22] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome :)
[14:40] <AJH101> hi is chromium os the bleeding edge version of chrome os?! i am trying to run chrome is a virtual machine but it does not seem to recognise my keyboard. Any ideas?
[14:43] <geekosopher> AJH101: pardon my limited knowledge but is chrome os anyways related to ubuntu?
[14:44] <MrChrisDruif> geekosopher: In a very distant line ;) Both Open Source :)
[14:45] <JackyAlcine> geekosopher: And both use the Linux kernel.
[14:46] <JackyAlcine> AJH101: Not necessarily, the "bleeding edge" of Chrome/ium OS would be found on the Chromium project page.
[14:46] <MrChrisDruif> Ow...that too :P
[14:48] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't count Chrome/ium OS as a full desktop...would function enough for me :)
[14:49] <bioterror> what would mr. stallman think about this
[14:50] <MrChrisDruif> Amazing how a few people are legends in Open Source :P
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> Well...I don't know how he thinks about it....he draws his own plans...
[14:52] <MrChrisDruif> Into building a microkernel or something with his foundation...
[14:53] <MrChrisDruif> Hurd
[15:04] <vigs> QUESTION: When I try to add any repository, it gives me an error like : "Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~libreoffice/+archive/ppa: <urlopen error [Errno 111] Connection refused>"
[15:05] <vigs> Why does this happen?
[15:05] <vigs> If it helps, I am behind my Institute's proxy server
[15:05] <vigs> I use the command like this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[15:08] <geekosopher> vigs: the */api/1.0* part seems offending... though it should not have happened when adding a repo through add-apt-repository command
[15:08] <vigs> not only for this ppa, it happens for all ppa's that I try to add
[15:08] <MrChrisDruif> vigs: I can add it no problem...
[15:09] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe it is because of the proxy...
[15:09] <vigs> MrChrisDuff: That's what I suspect. But what's the solution?
[15:10] <MrChrisDruif> That I don't know :)
[15:10] <MrChrisDruif> Haha...ChrisDuff :P (Duff is an american beer brand xD)
[15:11] <vigs> oops typo ... sorry
[15:11] <MrChrisDruif> Well..I like it, it's okay :)
[15:12] <vigs> great :)
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> Would be easier to pronounce in English anyway :P
[15:38] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[15:38] <kristian-aalborg> would it be uncool to pin the kernel so that it newer gets updated again?
[15:38] <MrChrisDruif> How do you mean kristian-aalborg?
[15:38] <kristian-aalborg> everything works on the machine and I don't have space to unpack it
[15:39] <kristian-aalborg> hi MrChrisDruif
[15:39] <MrChrisDruif> Hai kristian-aalborg :)
[15:39] <yofel> hm, well you can remove the meta packages
[15:39] <kristian-aalborg> I mean so that update-manager etc no longer looks for a new kernel
[15:39] <yofel> that will prevent any future updates, but not installing security updates is your decision
[15:39] <yofel> yep, remove 'linux-image-generic'
[15:39] <kristian-aalborg> yofel: how risky would it be?
[15:40] <yofel> no idea, I'm not a security expert
[15:40]  * kristian-aalborg joins #security
[15:43] <holstein> ive done that before kristian-aalborg
[15:43] <holstein> for hardware support
[15:44] <kristian-aalborg> removed that package, holstein?
[15:45] <holstein> well, i forget how i did it exactly
[15:45] <holstein> but i used an older kernel
[16:04] <kristian-aalborg> so this is weird... I unchecked everything but "security updates" in update manager, and now it no longer wants to get a new kernel
[16:04] <geirha> kristian-aalborg: The latest kernel update is not a security update
[16:05] <geirha> And it'll only nag you about updates if there are new security updates available
[16:05] <kristian-aalborg> but... the kernel handles security
[16:05]  * holstein turned off update manager
[16:06] <geirha> (with default settings that is)
[16:07] <geirha> kristian-aalborg: That's far from the only thing the kernel does
[16:07] <kristian-aalborg> yes, I know
[16:09] <kristian-aalborg> but it's ususally counted among security stuff?
[16:09] <geirha> Often, but in this case the update did not involve any security fixes.
[17:21] <nhandler> Anyone have any experience setting up vlc to stream a video to be watched in a web browser? I'm trying to set it up to stream to my cr-48
[17:40] <rnr> hi
[17:40] <rnr> i need read ext4 fs from winxp. it's posiblle?
[17:41] <AbhijiT> rnr, its possible
[17:41] <holstein> rnr: you can always read from a live CD
[17:41] <AbhijiT> you can install ext4 driver
[17:41] <AbhijiT> but its sometimes know to break partition. use onn your own responsiblity
[17:41] <holstein> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-read-ext3ext4-linux-partition-from-windows-7.html
[17:41] <holstein> as well
[17:41] <holstein> listen to AbhijiT though
[17:42] <holstein> i havent actually tried it
[17:42] <AbhijiT> yeah
[17:42] <rnr> ok.. im trying
[17:44] <holstein> i cant imagine a scenario where a live CD wouldnt do the trick
[17:44] <l0ve> The religious fighting stopped- "The fighting has stopped in Jos" http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/01/20/us-nigeria-clashes-idUSTRE60J1O220100120
[17:45] <nlsthzn> reading ext4 can be done... but not writing AFAIK...
[17:53] <rnr> men, work's fine! thnx a lot
[18:29] <bioterror> has someone managed to get rid of plymouth
[18:29] <nlsthzn> why, don't like your splash screen :p
[18:30] <bioterror> what splash screen?
[18:30] <bioterror> I cant remember when I've last time seen one
[18:30] <bioterror> I would rather see init than this blank screen full of emptyness
[18:34] <nlsthzn> apt-get remove plymouth?
[18:34] <bioterror> plymouth is used for running daemons and stuff simultaneously
[18:35] <nlsthzn> oh, so it isn't just a pretty picture some of the time
[18:35] <nlsthzn> btw, how you mods holding up with the forums being so iffy?
[18:35] <bioterror> :D
[18:36] <bioterror> with humour
[18:36] <nlsthzn> lol, seen enough threads being nuked etc :D
[19:31] <bethdo97> I just got done installing Windows 7 onto a previously installed Ubuntu 10.10 hard drive.  While partitioning a new 500 gb wd hard  drive for this endeavour I created a 250 gb storage partition for my son to be able to store music and videos of 2  bandss he manages so he can allow easy download of the multimedia files without people having access to his OS files.  Will this partition automaatically be found
[19:32] <zkriesse> It should
[19:32] <zkriesse> But that's windows...not ubuntu
[19:33] <bethdo97> I created it because previous people said if it was created and formated aseither Fat32 or NTFS botb OS's would be able to access it
[19:34] <zkriesse> INdeed
[19:34] <zkriesse> It should be accessible
[19:35] <bethdo97> Is there a good way to fix the boot loader so bot OS can be found on computer startup and make it easy for my son to select which system he wants to open?  I found EasyBCD and iReboot from neotechnologies but are there any other options?
[19:35] <zkriesse> You mean grub?
[19:35] <zkriesse> !grub
[19:35] <ubot2> grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards.
[19:35] <zkriesse> !grub2
[19:35] <ubot2> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[19:36] <bethdo97> Thanks a bunch
[19:37] <zkriesse> bethdo97: Certainly...that should be what you're looking for
[19:38] <zkriesse> If its not then definitely come back
[19:40] <nit-wit> bethdo97, so your booting straight to windows now correct?
[21:25] <bethdo97> I have finally managed to get winndows 7 & Ubuntu installed on the same HD.  I  am at the point of fixing the Grrub2 loader.  I booted from the live Cd to the ubuntu 10.10 desktop and mounted the partition with ubuntu installed.  The instructions claim a nautilus window will open where I aam supposed to add the commaands to up date Grub2, then the one to add to MBR. Where is the terminal to enter  said commaands?
[21:26] <bioterror> for example alt+f2 and then type gnome-terminal
[21:26] <bioterror> or you can type xterm
[21:26] <ibuclaw> now why would you want to do that? (xterm)
[21:26] <bioterror> as xterm is so beautiful!
[21:27] <bioterror> and it is bundled with Xorg
[21:27] <ibuclaw> guilty as charged
[21:27] <aveilleux> bioterror: May as well just use gnome-terminal
[21:27] <aveilleux> bioterror: Keyboard shortcuts and all that
[21:29] <bioterror> I use urxvt, not taking part in this conversation about terminals ;)
[21:29] <bioterror> but we can discus who's terminal gets launched fastest ;)
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> Ow....you can also start gnome-terminal with Ctrl+Alt+T
[21:31] <bioterror> hurrhh! works in lubuntu too
[21:31] <bioterror> horrible lxterminal :D
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[21:33] <bioterror> I love these fake transparent backgrounds
[21:33] <bethdo97> is there a more user friendly terminal replacement
[21:34] <zkriesse> bethdo97: Ah, I don't believe so....for installing software/applications you have the Software Center
[21:34] <zkriesse> But for doing hard core commands there's the terminal
[21:34] <zkriesse> Once you get used to it it's a balst
[21:35] <zkriesse> "blast"
[21:35] <bioterror> DOS/Windows has 4DOS and nowdays powershell ;)
[21:36] <bethdo97> zkriesse: That is my problem too, I can't type very well
[21:36] <zkriesse> Ahahaha...I'm usually pretty decent
[21:36] <bethdo97> 20 years out of practice since I finally did away with my last MSDos 7.2 machine
[21:40] <bioterror> bethdo97, you can improve your terminal with scripting your shell ;)
[21:41] <bioterror> or improving it, how ever you want to say it
[21:41] <kendrickLeiter> Desktop wireless desktop card WAS working; switched wireless cards to DLink; did not work. Switched back to Linksys, and now original card is not working. Possibly not mounted?
[21:42] <bioterror> kendrickLeiter, open terminal and look at "dmesg"
[21:42] <bioterror> it should tell you something
[21:43] <kendrickLeiter> bioterror, it gave what seems like a hundred lines of stuff
[21:44] <bioterror> !paste | kendrickLeiter
[21:44] <ubot2> kendrickLeiter: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[21:47] <kendrickLeiter> it's all on a separate computer without Internet access; so I can't paste. Is there any  line in particular to look for? I can type it
[22:15] <yax51> hello anyone know how to update th codecs so I can use MSN video on maverick?
[22:16] <ikt> msn video
[22:16] <ikt> ew
[22:16] <ikt> sorry that's not helpful :P
[22:16] <ikt> which msn videos exactly?
[22:17] <yax51> trying to use the video chat in live messenger, I am using maveick, but my girl is using windows and the codecs are not compatable
[22:18] <yax51> I guess I am trying to update my codecs or something so they are compatable...
[22:19] <seidos> not sure, aside from installing ubuntu-restricted-extras what can be done
[22:20] <ikt> installing everything gstreamer related and praying to zeus
[22:20] <seidos> i guess the idea is, does a package exist that can be installed to get the ability to use msn video to do what you want
[22:20] <seidos> ikt: i dunno, maybe praying to the MOTU
[22:21] <seidos> yax51: perhaps there's a multiplatform webchat client that you and your girl can use?
[22:23] <yax51> seidos: well skype is all right, but it keeps dropping
[22:25] <seidos> yax51: why is it dropping?
[22:25] <seidos> might be possible to solve that problem...i dunno
[22:25] <seidos> MSN might drop too, if you got it working
[22:25] <yax51> seidos: not sure, could very well be my internet connection...
[22:26] <seidos> yax51: could be.  hmmm, not sure how you could test your connection for robustness.  i have some ideas, but i'm not sure how helpful they would be
[22:29] <yax51> seidos: my connection sucks...its a usb airport type through verizon, and thats the only way to get internet out where I live
[22:31] <seidos> yax51: how does bit torrent work for you?
[22:31] <jmarsden> yax51 and seidos: mtr to a well known server (google.com, yahoo.com, etc.) might get you some idea of where packets are being dropped.  It is an enhanced traceroute that shows per-hop packet statistics.  Video over known bad Internet connections is... well, asking for a lot :)
[22:32] <seidos> jmarsden: indeed
[22:33] <yax51> seidos: I avoid them for the moment, jmarsden: thanks
[22:34] <seidos> yax51: i think bit torrent is probably the best way to determine the maximum capability of your connection
[22:35] <yax51> well when I do a speed test via speakeasy, I get about 100Kb down
[22:41] <bethdo97> I am looking for an opinion -  I have just completed setting up a dual boot system with ubuntu 10.10 and Windows7 installed.  I had to install ubuntu 1st because my new hard drive and old laptop refused let me install Win 7 then ubuntu.  I have ubuntu 10.10 on the 1st HD partition; Windows 7 on the 2nd partition and a 3rd partition set up as a file share for both systems to use.
[22:43] <zkriesse> bethdo97: Ok, well what's the actual question? :D
[22:45] <bethdo97> I have been trying to duplicate the instructions for fixing thhe grub2 start up so I can have a choice beetween the 2 OS's. Could i reinstall ubuntu using wubi so it would be easier for my son to switch between the two systems of is there an easier way to get an option menu to shhow up on boot
[22:45] <bethdo97> zkriesse: phone rang in middle of question
[22:46] <seidos> bethdo97: so you can't actually dual boot the system?  installing ubuntu first didn't solve the problem?
[22:50] <aveilleux> seidos: Why would you install Ubuntu first? If you do that, Windows' bootloader wrecks GRUB.
[22:50] <bethdo97> No the windoows installation wiped out my MBR so now only Windows boots since that partition was made active during the install.  I need to get the other disc partition to be acctive too so that I can have an option which system to boot
[22:50] <aveilleux> bethdo97: Do you have the option of starting over?
[22:51] <bethdo97> starting what over?
[22:51] <aveilleux> bethdo97: The install process of both OSs. The standard way to install is Windows first, then Ubuntu, since Ubuntu will pick up the Windows installation and add it to the bootloader.
[22:53] <bethdo97> Can I just reinstall over the original installation and add Ubuntu to the previously created Ubuntu partition?
[22:53] <gunndawg> Anyone know why the sound works on my laptop speakers but when I plug my headphones in, the sound doesnt work in the headphones ?
[22:53] <zkriesse> Ok, it's best to do this
[22:53] <zkriesse> Install Windows (It's a pain in the ass I know but it's easier in the long run...) and then do Ubuntu via Wubi
[22:54] <aveilleux> zkriesse: Noooooooooooooooooo....
[22:54] <zkriesse> It's how I've heard
[22:54] <zkriesse> Not that it's best
[22:54] <aveilleux> zkriesse: Wubi causes more problems than it'll solve
[22:54] <zkriesse> Just general word that's come to my ears has been that
[22:57] <aveilleux> bethdo97: You can re-install Ubuntu over your current Ubuntu install, yes... if that's what you're asking
[22:57] <bethdo97> zkriesse: I have to agree with aveilleux about Wubi.  I want to put ubuntu onto my sysstem after I get done fixing my son's
[22:57] <aveilleux> bethdo97: and theoretically that should solve your problem
[22:57] <zkriesse> bethdo97: Hey, agree with aveilleux as He's usually right :D Better than I am for sure
[22:58] <gunndawg> could someone help me get sound working from my headphones when I plug them into the headphones jack in my laptop
[22:58] <bethdo97> I tried Wubi on a commputer at work and it had more bugs than my german sheppard.
[23:00] <bethdo97> If I reinstall ubuntu over my current install then both Win 7 & Ubuntu will be accessable  in Grub2?
[23:01] <bethdo97> Will I have to do anything to setup a menu option on boot?
[23:02] <holstein> bethdo97: i wouldnt expect better hardware support with a native install vs. a wubi install
[23:02] <aveilleux> bethdo97: You shouldn't, no
[23:02] <holstein> assuming thats what you mean by bugs
[23:03] <seidos> gunndawg: do you have another device to test the headphones on?
[23:03] <gunndawg> Seido, yeah they work fine on my windows system
[23:04] <seidos> !tab | gunndawg
[23:04] <ubot2> gunndawg: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[23:04] <seidos> gunndawg: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[23:04] <gunndawg> 32bit 10.10
[23:05] <zkriesse> gunndawg: Does the system recognize your audio driver(s)?
[23:05] <gunndawg> zkriesse: I am assuming so if sound plays fine thru the laptop speakers
[23:05] <zkriesse> K just thought I'd ask
[23:06] <zkriesse> One must consider all possibilities
[23:06] <bethdo97> holstein: it wasn't hardware issues that were the problems but rather we wanted to set it up for kids too be able to use 2 computers in my waiting room to play some educational games on but the wubi kept shutting down unexpectedly
[23:06] <seidos> gunndawg: this sounds like a bug to me.  perhaps you should create a bug in launchpad?  if you need it to work now, you can do two things, test with a different version of ubuntu, and mess with alsa
[23:07]  * zkriesse glowers at alsa
[23:07] <seidos> gunndawg: another idea:  there may be something in the mixer that needs to be turned up for headphones to work
[23:07] <gunndawg> seidos: but when I plug the headphones in, the sound still plays thru the speakers, it like the headphones arent "enabled" or something
[23:09] <seidos> gunndawg: hmmm, yeah, not sure how built in speakers are "turned" off when headphones are plugged in
[23:09] <gunndawg> seidos: nore am I :(
[23:09] <zkriesse> What kind of laptop/pc is this?
[23:09] <seidos> gunndawg: but, you could check alsamixer (run it from a shell) to see what headphone vol. level is set to
[23:09] <gunndawg> seidos: I am partially deaf and without headphones I cannot clearly hear anything on the coputer :(
[23:10] <gunndawg> zkriesse: this is a toshiba satelliter C655
[23:10] <zkriesse> Hmm
[23:10] <seidos> gunndawg: i need to do some neural processing.  my memory is presently failing me.
[23:10] <bethdo97> gunndawg: I had a similiar problem when I installed 10.10 initially.  Heaadphones weren't inserted when I installed ubuntu the 1st time.  built in speakers worked but not headphones. I plugged them in and reinstalled ubuntu 10.10 and voilla headphones and speakers both worked
[23:10] <seidos> gunndawg: i have a toshiba satelitte u305-s7448.  my condolences
[23:11] <seidos> bethdo97: +1
[23:11] <gunndawg> seidos: I do not mind this laptop, its less than a month old and does everything I need it to
[23:11] <bethdo97> gunndawg: I have a Toshiba L675
[23:11] <gunndawg> bethdo97: so I have to completely reinstall ubuntu ? ugh
[23:11] <seidos> gunndawg: i am less than thrilled with my toshiba.  battery is essentially dead, fujitsu hard disk is limping from a single 1 meter drop
[23:12] <bethdo97> I  think it is in the drivers that come with the system and how ubuntu handdles them.
[23:12] <seidos> gunndawg: perhaps you could try rebooting with headphones plugged in?
[23:12] <gunndawg> seidos: might try that
[23:12] <bethdo97> gunndawg: I don't know if it will work on your system but I know it worked on my son's
[23:12] <seidos> gunndawg: i am trying to remember the command in a shell to get you your version of alsa
[23:13] <gunndawg> let me try a reboot and see what happends
[23:13] <seidos> i haven't been able to restore from backup, which has my shell command cache file :|
[23:13] <seidos> because of damaged fujitsu drive
[23:15] <Xlight1357> I am having trouble creating an ubuntu forum account. I get    Fatal error: Existing data passed is not an array Called set_existing in [path]/register.php on line 421 in [path]/includes/class_dm.php on line 235.  Can anyone tell me what im doing wrong? Thanks
[23:15] <seidos> cat /proc/asound/version
[23:15] <gunndawg> no luck on restart
[23:15] <seidos> gunndawg: cat /proc/asound/version to check what version of alsa you are running
[23:16] <gunndawg> seidos: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.23.
[23:17] <seidos> gunndawg: ah!  remove and reinstall alsa with head phones plugged in
[23:17] <seidos> gunndawg: i think the packages are alsabase and alsautils
[23:18] <gunndawg> bah, so I do have to reinstall ubuntu ?
[23:18] <bethdo97> gunndawg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://www.atoztoa.com/2010/01/install-alsa-latest-version-in-ubuntu.html were the places I reviewed to figure out what the isue was
[23:18] <seidos> gunndawg: i don't know, i am speculating that removing and reinstalling the *alsa packages* may fix the problem
[23:19] <gunndawg> seidos, can I remove it and reinstall it without having to reinstall the whole system ?
[23:19] <seidos> gunndawg: so you can try sudo apt-get remove alsa-utils && sudo apt-get remove alsa-base
[23:20] <seidos> gunndawg: yeah.  they are just packages.  dunno if it will work, but it's worth a try :)
[23:20] <seidos> then with headphones plugged in, sudo apt-get install alsa-utils && sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[23:20] <gunndawg> ok they are removed
[23:20] <gunndawg> ok
[23:20] <gunndawg> trying now
[23:21] <seidos> then restart OR (more *fun*) try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart and try to see if sound works
[23:21] <gunndawg> ok they are reinstalled
[23:21] <seidos> if it doesn't you can restart OR (more *fun*) try pulseaudio -killall
[23:21] <seidos> and then alt-f2 pulseaudio and try again
[23:22] <gunndawg> seidos: should I just restart first before trying that ?
[23:22] <seidos> gunndawg: i would restart as a last resort
[23:22] <gunndawg> seidos: ok
[23:22] <seidos> gunndawg: i don't like to restart unless i have to
[23:22] <gunndawg> seidos: so sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils ?
[23:23] <seidos> gunndawg: "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart"
[23:23] <gunndawg> seidos: command not found
[23:24] <gunndawg> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[23:24] <seidos> gunndawg: i guess restart then :|
[23:24] <gunndawg> ok, brb
[23:26] <gunndawg> still comin thru the speakers :(
[23:27] <seidos> drat
[23:27] <seidos> gunndawg: when you installed the alsa packages did you have the headphones installed?
[23:27] <gunndawg> seidos: yes
[23:28] <seidos> gunndawg: you could try the same thing with the pulseaudio package
[23:28] <gunndawg> ok
[23:29] <holstein> gunndawg: you tried pavucontrol ?
[23:29] <gunndawg> holstein: I dont think so
[23:29] <holstein> worth a try
[23:29] <gunndawg> holstein: not sure what that is
[23:30] <gunndawg> seidos: so "sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio" ?
[23:30] <holstein> seems to have more controls for pulse
[23:30] <holstein> but, if you're getting rid of pulse
[23:30] <holstein> dont sweat it
[23:30] <gunndawg> holstein: sounds like I am just gonna reinstall pulse
[23:30] <holstein> id probably try the most current alsa
[23:30] <holstein> then do like you are
[23:30] <holstein> just tweak
[23:31] <gunndawg> holstein: alright how do I get the most updated alsa ?
[23:31] <seidos> isn't 1.0.23 the most recent alsa?  it is more recent than my version
[23:32] <holstein> i would even try some testing branch or whatever
[23:32] <holstein> the latest there is
[23:32] <holstein> gunndawg: what hardware?
[23:32] <holstein> some VIA chip ?
[23:33] <gunndawg> holstein: how can I find that ?
[23:33] <holstein> your hardware?
[23:33] <gunndawg> holstein: yes, I am not exactly sure what this laptop is running
[23:33] <holstein> you can run lspci
[23:33] <holstein> also
[23:33] <holstein> aplay -l
[23:33] <holstein> and arecord -l
[23:34] <holstein> this would all just gather info though
[23:35] <gunndawg> holstein: ok lspci is turning up a whole slew of info, not sure what part you want
[23:35] <holstein> gunndawg: you can dump the whole thing in pastebin
[23:36] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[23:36] <holstein> if thats easier
[23:36] <gunndawg> holstein:  ok
[23:37] <gunndawg> holstein: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/LeMZnLHN
[23:37] <gunndawg> holstein:  looks like line #7 maybe ?
[23:39] <holstein> gunndawg: try checking http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549565
[23:39] <holstein> before tweaking too much else
[23:40] <holstein> #5 is the promising bit
[23:40] <gunndawg> holstein: ok
[23:45] <gunndawg> hey that link worked! sound in my headphones!
[23:45] <gunndawg> just adding that line to the alsa config file
[23:46] <seidos> awesome \o/
[23:46] <seidos> i'll have to read it
[23:47] <gunndawg> seidos: and I can unplug them and sound works in speakers, then plug them back in and it works in the headphones, perfect
[23:48] <holstein> gunndawg: :)
[23:49] <seidos> thanks holstein
[23:49] <holstein> anytime
[23:50] <gunndawg> yes thanks holstein
[23:58] <gunndawg> kinda funny that I use "options snd-hda-intel model=dell-vostro" to fix the issue
[23:58] <gunndawg> and I dont even have a dell
[23:58] <holstein> hehe
[23:59] <ibuclaw> gunndawg, well, you could have similar hardware to what they ship.