[00:00] <txomon> hello, I have just been in the #ubuntu-classroom and I asked about a case
[00:00] <txomon> charlie-tca, ?
[00:01] <penguin42> a particular bug?
[00:01] <txomon> yes , this
[00:01] <txomon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/485067ç
[00:01] <txomon> ups
[00:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 485067 in linux "wireless card malfunction" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:01] <txomon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/485067
[00:01] <txomon> he told me it was incomplete... but i dont know why
[00:02]  * penguin42 looks
[00:03] <penguin42> txomon: OK, it was marked incomplete because he asked you to confirm it was still happening and to run that command, that I see you've run
[00:04] <txomon> yes
[00:06] <charlie-tca> made it
[00:07] <charlie-tca> txomon: I will subscribe to your bug, so I can follow it up
[00:07] <txomon> ok
[00:07] <txomon> I just submited a curious bug,
[00:07] <txomon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/709955
[00:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709955 in linux "03f0:241d Gobi wireless modem only works when rebooting from windows" [Undecided,New]
[00:07] <charlie-tca> Yes, but jeromy asked to have the mainline kernel tested
[00:07] <txomon> is there anything missing there¿
[00:08] <charlie-tca> txomon: also, the kernel bug triager is overwhelmed by sheer numbers of bugs he gets. I can apologize that the ball got dropped on that bug.
[00:09] <charlie-tca> txomon: you still have the system for bug 485067?
[00:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 485067 in linux "wireless card malfunction" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485067
[00:10] <txomon> oh, I just submited it with your instructions while u explained, so, I don't blame
[00:10] <txomon> charlie-tca, yes, I would have to take it from my sister ;) but yes
[00:11] <charlie-tca> that new bug looks good to me.
[00:12] <txomon> im now in the computer (just 4 u to know)
[00:12] <charlie-tca> new or old?
[00:12] <txomon> new
[00:12] <txomon> so I can submit more info
[00:13] <txomon> (the old one has a lot)
[00:14] <charlie-tca> I don't want no more on it today. I think it has everything the kernel team needs, unless we have you test it in natty
[00:14] <charlie-tca> and, I will leave that up to them...
[00:18] <txomon> ok, I think you have my mail there in launchpad, so dont hesitate in contacting me
[00:19] <txomon> (i'm spa and dont know if I spell correctly everything)
[00:20] <charlie-tca> it's okay. Most of the time, we can read what you mean instead of how it got spelled :-)
[00:20] <charlie-tca> I added a comment on the old bug.
[00:21] <charlie-tca> and, since I only have a few bugs to follow, I will see it again in 3-4 weeks
[00:25] <charlie-tca> txomon: thanks for your patience.
[00:25] <txomon> ok, I will install newly ubuntu
[00:25] <txomon> which one would u prefer?
[00:25] <txomon> an LTS or the latest?
[00:25] <charlie-tca> on a separate partition, or for that 3G modem bug?
[00:26] <txomon> (it is just going to be for the bug)
[00:26] <txomon> the old one
[00:26] <charlie-tca> You don't need to reinstall unless ubuntu is not there now.
[00:26] <txomon> for the modem one, I have the the latest
[00:26] <charlie-tca> We just want to try a new kernel on it
[00:27] <txomon> charlie-tca, there isnt, so that is my question... ¿is it completely indiferent the ubuntu version?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> then you should put maverick on, Ubuntu 10.10
[00:28] <charlie-tca> that gives you a better chance of things working right.
[00:28] <charlie-tca> Or, you can just comment on the bug report that you no longer have that computer and save you a lot of work...
[00:42] <txomon> np I want to make posible for other people to use ubuntu easier
[00:45] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that.
[01:27] <charlie-tca> jibel: you around?
[01:28] <charlie-tca> jibel: I'll catch up to you Monday then. questions about an old bug
[01:35] <jibel> Hey charlie-tca, I'm still there. What's the bug ?
[01:35] <charlie-tca> bug 658900
[01:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 658900 in espeak "package espeak 1.43.03-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/658900
[01:35]  * jibel looking
[01:36] <charlie-tca> VarLogDistupgradTermlog.gz shows many errors starting about line 5556
[01:37] <charlie-tca> I never seen one that failed so much
[01:39] <txomon> hi, can you tell me if this is the correct way to express new features requierement?
[01:39] <txomon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/709978
[01:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709978 in empathy "empathy is not enought good in IRC chat" [Undecided,New]
[01:40] <charlie-tca> Looks good to me, but let's see what someone else thinks, too.
[01:42] <jibel> charlie-tca, iirc update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin. was caused by a previous version of flash which broke the alternatives system.
[01:42]  * jibel now looking for the master bug
[01:42] <charlie-tca> and that broke everything, then?
[01:42] <jibel> yep, duplicates are good for my karma :-)
[01:42] <charlie-tca> yes, they are
[01:42] <jibel> charlie-tca, here is the master bug 429841
[01:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 429841 in flashplugin-nonfree "broken packaging: package flashplugin-nonfree failed to install/upgrade: (breaks upgrade)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429841
[01:43] <charlie-tca> I sure appreciate you looking into it.
[01:44] <jibel> charlie-tca, especially at this time of the night, I should go to bed.
[01:44] <charlie-tca> I don't know how you find this stuff, sometimes. but I sure am glad you are able to!
[01:45] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much for doing that tonight
[01:47] <jibel> charlie-tca, memory training, I learn 500 bugs a day, and in 4 years of contribution to Ubuntu, I've been able to learn them all ;-)
[01:48] <charlie-tca> whew! I wish I could say that.
[01:48] <jibel> I can say that, but I wish I could do that.
[01:49] <jibel> charlie-tca, okay, it's close to 0300AM, time to get some sleep. See you soon.
[01:49] <charlie-tca> good night, jibel. And, thanks again
[05:07] <syntr> I want to know what else I can do about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+bug/654272
[05:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 654272 in gnome-games "Gnibbles cannot start new game. game score is initialized but the game splash (worm with green background) does not disappear" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:08] <syntr> How can it still be undecided? It renders the whole game unplayable :(
[05:09] <hggdh> syntr, what do you mean by undecided?
[05:10] <syntr> hggdh» The level of importance
[05:10] <hggdh> syntr, the way I see it, it is low. I will mark it so
[05:10] <syntr> hggdh» how is it low? When you install the game via apt you can't even use it
[05:10] <syntr> That would confuse anyone
[05:11] <syntr> It used to be included in the default distribution
[05:12] <hggdh> hum. I agree. Medium is more correct
[05:14] <hggdh> syntr, you might now go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org, and try to find a bug matching this
[05:15] <syntr> hggdh» It's ubuntu-specific. works fine on non-ubuntu distributions. It's probably just a packaging mistake
[05:16] <hggdh> syntr, same version, same modification level?
[05:16] <syntr> modification level?
[05:16] <hggdh> fix level. Patches applied.
[05:20] <hggdh> syntr, additionally, this package is in Universe -- not in the default (main) repository. It might have been demoted, IDK, but it is *not* in main
[05:22] <syntr> hggdh» yes, it was demoted. Ubuntu has removed a lot of gnome-games with each iteration of the OS
[05:23] <syntr> but just because it's in the universe repository doesn't mean no one will ever find it lol
[05:24] <hggdh> I did not say that.
[05:26] <hggdh> *YOU* can help. Try to find out what is wrong. I know for a fact it works on Natty (current devel). You state it does not work in Maverick
[05:26] <hggdh> So something changed from before Maverick to Maverick, and something changed again from Maverick to Natty.
[05:27] <hggdh> these are good points to start your search
[05:27] <hggdh> but just caming in here and complaining is really not going to help
[05:28] <syntr> I did try a while ago when I still had ubuntu on my main machine...but not being a developer I had no clue what to do other than reinstall
[05:28] <syntr> actually, in any big project things are overlooked so it helps to a point :)
[05:29] <hggdh> indeed. But, even better than just point is to actually go and try to find the issues, and work out a fix
[05:29] <micahg> syntr: it was demoted after karmic
[05:30] <syntr> micahg» yeah. Ubuntu has been becoming more of a "serious" distro :)
[05:31] <micahg> syntr: that's not it, as space is needed on the CD I think games were the first thing to do
[05:31] <micahg> s/do/go
[05:31] <syntr> oh, maybe that as well. it is nice to be able to use a CD, as some distros require a dvd
[05:32] <micahg> syntr: I think Ubuntu is trying hard to make sure the final releases still fit on a CD
[05:32] <hggdh> micahg, this is indeed correct
[05:33]  * hggdh considers it sort of a waste of time. CDs are already obsolete
[05:33] <ikt> it's more of an arbitary line
[05:33] <ikt> keeps the os nice and tight
[05:33] <hggdh> and lean
[05:33] <micahg> syntr: If I backport the version from natty to my PPA, would you be able to test and see if anything has been fixed?
[05:33] <syntr> hggdh» I did try to make it work for about an hour. I tried deleting the title-screen SVG among other things....I had no clue how to compile from source or even read the source...I eventually gave up but the e-mail notifications brought it back to my attention
[05:34] <syntr> micahg» absolutely :D
[05:34]  * hggdh goes hit the bed. Tempus fugit
[05:38] <syntr> micahg» what's a PPA?
[05:38] <micahg> syntr: personal package archive
[05:38] <micahg> err, a straight backport won't work :-/
[05:39] <syntr> :(
[05:39] <micahg> syntr: it's ok, I found a way to do it
[05:46] <micahg> syntr: I assume you're on maverick?
[05:47] <syntr> micahg» Not at the moment...I'm installing it in a VM on another machine right now.
[05:47] <micahg> syntr: ah, which release are you on?
[05:48]  * micahg is uploading for maverick ATM to a PPA
[05:48] <syntr> lol not sure if Windows counts as a release. I'm on my laptop...but I'll be ready in like 15 minutes on the other computer
[05:48] <micahg> ok, np will probably take longer than that to build
[05:49] <syntr> alright. I have all night :D thanks for trying to help :)
[05:52] <micahg> syntr: should be ready in about an hour ppa:micahg/ppa
[06:03] <syntr> micahg» sudo add-apt-repository ppa:micahg/ppa , right?
[06:03] <micahg> syntr: yes
[06:52] <syntr> micahg» how will I know when it's ready?
[06:52] <micahg> syntr: i386 is ready
[06:54] <syntr> micahg» I'm sorry...never used ppa...don't really know how to tell it to install yours
[06:54] <micahg> syntr: my version is higher than the archive version, so it'll be chosen
[06:55] <syntr> oh, ok
[06:58] <syntr-vb> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/universe gnibbles i386 1:2.32.0-0ubuntu1 [358kB] ... displays a white screen going in. Does not continue past New Game
[06:58] <micahg> syntr-vb: you need to update your apt-cache to see my version
[06:59] <syntr-vb> via sudo apt-get update?
[06:59] <syntr-vb> done so :|
[06:59] <micahg> syntr-vb: can you pastebin apt-cache policy gnibbles
[07:01] <syntr-vb> micahg: http://pastebin.com/v7DK8gpU
[07:01] <micahg> syntr-vb: try to update again, it's not showing up yet for you
[07:02] <syntr-vb> micahg: did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <syntr-vb> no updates available
[07:03] <micahg> syntr-vb: hmm, not published yet, give it another 30 minutes or so
[07:03] <syntr-vb> is there a way to be notified?
[07:04] <micahg> syntr-vb: not that I know of
[07:04] <syntr-vb> ok
[07:05] <micahg> syntr-vb: you could run: watch -n600 'sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy gnibbles'
[07:05] <micahg> update and show you what packages are available every 10 minutes
[07:06] <syntr-vb> cool :D
[07:06] <syntr-vb> yeah, I definitely added you right because I have "Hit http://ppa.launchpad.net maverick Release.gpg"
[07:29] <syntr> micahg» can't I just download the .deb files on the site?
[07:30] <micahg> syntr: it's not updated yet?
[07:30] <micahg> weird
[07:40] <syntr-vb> micahg: Installed gnome-games-common.deb and gnibbles.deb, no change
[07:40] <syntr-vb> I'm off to bed, I don't know why it still doesn't work :/
[07:41] <micahg> syntr-vb: I don't know then, maybe get a backtrace where it fails?
[07:42] <syntr-vb> I don't know what that means
[07:42] <syntr-vb> I'll be back tomorrow :D
[09:39] <ikt> can someone check: https://bugs.launchpad.net/totem/+bug/705361
[09:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705361 in totem "movie player "take screenshot" not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:39] <ikt> and set to triaged if everything looks right =)
[18:37] <bbordwell> I am trying to debug a possible crash in evince but running 'sudo gdb evince' '(gdb) run' outputs Starting program: /usr/bin/evince
[18:37] <bbordwell> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled]
[18:37] <bbordwell> No protocol specified
[18:37] <bbordwell> Cannot parse arguments: Cannot open display:
[18:37] <bbordwell> Program exited with code 01.
[18:37] <bbordwell> any ideas?
[18:40] <penguin42> bbordwell: Can you run evince as root anyway? e.g. just do sudo evince?
[18:41] <bbordwell> penguin42, ah that does not work....thats the problem, but gdb requires root privileges now...
[18:41] <ansgar> bbordwell: Why not just use 'gdb evince'? There is no need to be root to debug something.
[18:41] <penguin42> bbordwell: are you sure it needs root?
[18:42] <penguin42> bbordwell: I know it stops you attaching to a separate process - but it should let you run something directly?
[18:43] <bbordwell> penguin42, ah yes sorry i have not had internet for some time so i am rusty....gdb only needs root to attach to a process.
[18:43] <bbordwell> thanks
[18:43] <penguin42> bbordwell: It's fairly easy to reenable attach as well
[18:51] <bbordwell> hmm i looked at my backtrace to make sure i have all the -dbgsym packages and I found something strange, has anyone ever seen something like this? #38 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[18:55] <yofel> that looks like an invalid 64bit address?
[18:58] <bbordwell> yofel, does that make the backtrace unusable?
[18:59] <yofel> no idea, I don't look at that many backtraces, depends where it is I guess
[19:04] <bbordwell> alright i will just attach i to the bug report and see what the devs t hink
[19:27] <akshatj> GUI in natty is not starting after an update, how do I report a bug?
[19:28] <akshatj> (In virtualbox BTW)
[19:44] <nonix4> How should I report data-corruption bug related to cryptswap? As in against which package?
[19:46] <akshatj> failsafe X is also failing to start
[19:55] <nonix4> Which package generates /etc/crypttab during installation? It fails to account for device names changing between initial installation and next boot, thus creating a dataloss situation.
[19:55] <ikt> akshatj, already known afaik
[19:55] <akshatj> ikt: ok
[19:56] <ikt> akshatj, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10410999#post10410999
[19:56] <penguin42> bi
[19:56] <penguin42> nonix4: It's a bit silly for it to use device names rather than uuid's
[19:56] <ikt> wops, wrong thread
[19:59] <ikt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1677834&page=2
[20:02] <akshatj> ikt: thanks
[20:03] <ikt> :))
[20:06] <nonix4> penguin42: debian-installer?
[20:07] <penguin42> nonix4: If it's the normal installer on ubuntu it's ubiquity unless you used the alternate cd in which case I think it probably is debian-installer
[20:08] <nonix4> penguin42: alternate cd it was, yup
[20:09] <penguin42> nonix4: Yeh so I think but am not sure it's debian-installer
[20:11] <nonix4> debian-installer package description says it only contains docs, hmm... well, guess I file against that for now and fix later :)
[20:11] <nonix4> although it being dataloss... should it also be in releasenotes?
[20:17] <akshatj> the panel and sidebar are gone :(
[21:50] <ikt> would it be wise to move this bug to the moonlight plugin?
[21:50] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/703609
[21:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703609 in totem "Cant playback a live stream video" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:51] <ikt> given that now it reports: The silverlight application is using DRM-protected content, which Moonlight does not support.
[21:53] <micahg> ikt: yeah, you can change it to moon, and ask the user to try moonlight-plugin-mozilla
[22:08] <nonix4> I think bug 584067 should be marked as high importance because of the potential for severe data loss.
[22:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584067 in debian-installer "setting up swap encryption from alternate CD uses unstable device nodes" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584067
[22:15] <ikt> cheers micahg