[03:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Thinkpad T410 and Kubuntu - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4381
[05:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.killmydaynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/KMDN-Daily-PicDump-No.64_90-550x550.jpg
[07:16] <Sysunix> Hi everyone, I've got a little problem with my packard bell laptop. my headphone doesn't work and they seem to not even be in alsamixer..
[07:17] <Sysunix> An idea ? :/
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: try the standard graphical mixer app
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: you should be able to use it to select the outout
[07:19] <Sysunix> there isn't "headphone" in the app
[07:20] <Sysunix> MartijnVdS*
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: in the "Hardware" tab, there's a dropdown box
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> what does it contain?
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: also, check the "Output" tab, it has a "Connector" dropdown to specify which one to use
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> brb, making breakfast
[07:22] <Sysunix> hum, there is : analog stereo duplex/output, digital stereo HDMI and digital stereo duplex
[07:23] <Sysunix> when i try to test the headphone, the sound come from the speakers
[07:23] <Sysunix> not from the headphone :/
[07:29] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: and the "Output" tab?
[07:29] <Sysunix> i've got just one thing
[07:29] <Sysunix> "analog stereo"
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> and the other list is from the hardware tab?
[07:30] <Sysunix> yep
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> might be a bug then
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> !audio
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: try that troubleshooting link
[07:30] <Sysunix> i don't understand why i don't even have the headphone in alsamixer
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: because (part of) the sound chip is wired up in a way Ubuntu doesn't expect, I think
[07:32] <Sysunix> mh
[07:33] <Sysunix> my english isn't that good, it'll take me a while to read all this page ^^ Have you seen something which could help me in this page ? (the troubleshooting one)
[07:33] <MartijnVdS> hm that troubleshooting page is a bit .. bad
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> Sysunix: I can't help you any further at the moment, I don't know anything about this :)
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> !weekend
[07:37] <Sysunix> ok MartijnVdS :) Thanks for tried
[08:51] <Neoti> hey all
[08:52] <HazRPG> howdy
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> \o HazRPG
[08:53] <Neoti> im looking for an XBMC online video thing line onlinevideos in mediaportal for apple trailers and xxx and stuff....
[08:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: o/
[08:53]  * MartijnVdS designates today as "Prepare kitchen for disassembly-day"
[08:54] <HazRPG> Neoti: You mean like an addon/plugin?
[08:55] <Neoti> yes... also i download an adon and try and install zip from with in xbmc and it fails also when i try and extract the zip directly in to the xmbc fiolder it says i have no permission.... how do i get around that...
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> how did you install xbmc?
[08:57] <HazRPG> Neoti: Also, I'm guessing your using ubuntu, not windows, right?
[08:57] <Neoti> i followed the commands here... http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Installing_XBMC_for_Linux
[08:57] <Neoti> only the top four
[08:57] <Neoti> and its ubuntu 10.10
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> ok, so you have the xbmc package
[08:58] <Neoti> yep... i also plaid with my andriod and remote controlled it last night .. was cool...
[08:58] <Neoti> just need to install plug ins etc
[09:00] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:00] <HazRPG> AlanBell: mornin o/
[09:02] <HazRPG> Neoti: It really depends on the type of plugin you want to install dude apparently
[09:03] <HazRPG> apparently video plugins go in the /plugins/video/ folder, music in the /plguins/music/ folder, pictures in the /plugins/pictures/ folder and other programs (and launchers, etc) are in /plugins/programs/
[09:03] <HazRPG> they go into your home directory btw
[09:04] <Neoti> ok i want to install the XBMC Zone installer from xbmczone.. it says download it load up xbmc navigate to the dir and select the zip to install i do that and get installation failed
[09:04] <HazRPG> Neoti: So for example you had a video plugin you wanted to install, you would copy the directory in the zip file to ~/.xbmc/plugins/video/
[09:04] <HazRPG> Neoti: http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=HOW-TO_install_and_use_plugins_in_XBMC#Manually_installing_plugins
[09:04] <Neoti> also how do i change the address bar to show the address as i want to go to ~/.xbmc but see no way of navigating to it in the explorer, i can do in terminal but want explorer lol
[09:05] <HazRPG> you mean nautilus :P
[09:05] <Neoti> yes
[09:05] <HazRPG> erm, easiest way (since I don't like how you can't type into it anymore :/) is go to your home directory
[09:05] <HazRPG> press CTRL+H
[09:06] <HazRPG> that'll show hidden folders
[09:06] <HazRPG> and look for .xbmc
[09:06] <Neoti> ah.. thanks
[09:06] <HazRPG> you can even start typing that and it'll find it that way too
[09:06] <HazRPG> CTRL+H will hide those folders again btw
[09:11] <HazRPG> I think if I'm right, the XBMC Zone needs to go into /plugins/programs/
[09:13] <HazRPG> however you don't /need/ to install XBMC Zone, you can just download the plugins/addons directly from their site and unzip them into the plugins directories I told you about
[09:13] <HazRPG> from my understanding of it at least
[09:13] <HazRPG> Neoti: Hope that helps ya dude
[09:14] <Neoti> so where to i extract xbmc zone to ... ?
[09:14] <HazRPG> ~/.xbmc/plugins/programs/ I think
[09:15] <HazRPG> still looking around to make sure
[09:15] <HazRPG> they're website is pretty poor :/
[09:15] <HazRPG> their*
[09:18] <HazRPG> Neoti: Apparently there are 3 more commands you can do. If you want a selection of skins type: sudo apt-get install xbmc-skin-*
[09:18] <HazRPG> if you want more remotes: sudo apt-get install xbmc-eventclients-*
[09:19] <HazRPG> and if you want more scripts: sudo apt-get install xbmc-scripts
[09:20] <Neoti> also in ~/,xbmc there is no plugins dir theres addons but no plugins
[09:20] <HazRPG> hmm
[09:20] <HazRPG> try putting them in the addons folder then
[09:20] <HazRPG> if not, make a plugins folder
[09:20] <Neoti> i did that....
[09:21] <HazRPG> which?
[09:21] <HazRPG> both?
[09:21] <Neoti> there is no ~/,xbmc/plugins
[09:22] <HazRPG> Neoti: That's what I mean, try putting them in the addons folder - if it doesn't work putting them in there, then make a plugins folder inside ~/.xbmc/
[09:23] <HazRPG> Neoti: Btw, the guys @ #xbmc might be able to help you out more
[09:23] <Neoti> ok .... but i see now why people like windows morethen linux windows "install exe done" linux download no what ... lol ..... though i linux still but i see why a lot of people like windows...
[09:24] <HazRPG> or #xbmc-linux :)
[09:25] <HazRPG> Neoti: dude, don't think that way... xbmc plugins still need to be placed in the same folder on a windows machine
[09:26] <Neoti> on a qwindows machine its much much easiyer tho..... i would have been done by now ... lol ....
[09:26] <HazRPG> there just isn't an easy way to put plugins in for xbmc it seems - that's the developers fault, not linux ;)
[09:26] <HazRPG> Neoti: You say that, but I'm on a windows machine right now - and even I'm having trouble getting these plugins to work xD
[09:27] <HazRPG> gotta remember, even in the windows world, not everyone makes their packages easy for people to run
[09:27] <HazRPG> but still, even in the linux world, most people will make a .deb file so that its easy for you to install their stuff
[09:28] <HazRPG> in fact, some will even try to get their software added into repo's much like the Ubuntu Software Manager thing
[09:28] <HazRPG> don't you think the software manager is better than the windows one?
[09:28] <HazRPG> I mean the windows one will just show you what's installed so you can remove it
[09:28] <HazRPG> the ubuntu one, has software you can actually install!
[09:29] <Neoti> yeah program installation is fine in windows its install exe done, in linux its apt-get or .deb / the problem is that on windows its easyer to make changes then on linux IE the changes i am trying to do here etc....
[09:29] <HazRPG> again, like I said - not necessarily, it all boils down to the developer of the software
[09:30] <HazRPG> I mean XBMC doesn't have an easy way to install their plugins
[09:30] <Neoti> also i have just downloaded xbmc to windows and installed the zip file fine and it just took 3 mins ... so you can now see what i mean ...
[09:30] <HazRPG> really?
[09:30] <HazRPG> it failed on mine :(
[09:31] <Neoti> dont get me wrong ubuntu is great and i like it .... but on the configuration side its a little harder then windows... which is why *some* people just stick with windows...
[09:31] <Neoti> it would be easy to convert people to ubuntu if things like this where sorted out i guess ...
[09:32] <HazRPG> the problem doesn't lie that its easy or not, the problem is there are too many variants on linux available - each one working different to the next
[09:33] <HazRPG> if more people converted to ubuntu, then people might start making standard set of installers (.deb) files
[09:33] <HazRPG> think about it this way... reason it is so easy in windows, is because windows has dominated the application market for years
[09:34] <HazRPG> for a software developer to make linux apps, they have to make several different types of installers depending on what distro you use
[09:34] <HazRPG> with windows, windows accepts just one .exe
[09:34] <HazRPG> in linux, there is .rpm, .deb, etc
[09:35] <Neoti> i see your point i totally agree but in my example just now linux i tried for 30 mins got no where still have not got it working , windows working near enough straight away... etc....
[09:35] <HazRPG> I just wish the whole community of linux would adopt just one installer type, and stick with it for all distros of linux - then and only then, would it be easier
[09:35] <Neoti> yes i agree on the installation side one installer would be good
[09:36] <Neoti> and i do like the synaptic manager and the ubuntu one ... as compared to windows for example ...
[09:36] <Neoti> and some things on ubuntu work better then windows ....
[09:36] <HazRPG> I think as a community, it would be better if everyone agreed on one type, and all helped to develop it to be the standard linux way of installing
[09:36] <HazRPG> Neoti: Yeah I agree
[09:37] <Neoti> in ubuntu im kept up to date on all chat services i have on windows i have to either install loads of clients or use something like trillion and sigh up for yet another user name etc...
[09:37] <HazRPG> Neoti: Best thing I like about ubuntu, is the fact that ALL software automatically gets updates
[09:38] <Neoti> again this is good and bad ...
[09:38] <Neoti> but mostly good
[09:38] <HazRPG> Neoti: btw, in windows you can use things like pidgin instead of trillian - that's what I use ;)
[09:39] <AlanBell> would be good if android used .deb too
[09:39] <HazRPG> Neoti: Yeah, its mostly good - because instead of going to each website to download updates for a piece of software, they're all located under the update manager
[09:39] <HazRPG> AlanBell: would be harder for them to use .deb wouldn't it?
[09:40] <AlanBell> don't see why
[09:40] <HazRPG> aren't android apps essentially java applications?
[09:40]  * HazRPG recalls seeing something like that in the SDK
[09:40] <AlanBell> yes, in a special not-java kind of way
[09:41] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah, its weird :/
[09:41] <AlanBell> there are plenty of java applications packaged as .deb files
[09:41] <HazRPG> wonder why google decided to make a complete new (*sigh*) installer type :/
[09:42] <HazRPG> completely*
[09:42] <AlanBell> they rewrote the JVM to avoid licensing it from Sun, then Oracle bought Sun and are now sueing Google
[09:42] <HazRPG> AlanBell: that doesn't surprise me
[09:42] <AlanBell> android packages are basically .jar files, which are basically .zip files
[09:43] <HazRPG> indeed
[09:43] <HazRPG> you could argue that .deb is basically a .zip too though ;)
[09:43] <AlanBell> yup
[09:46] <HazRPG> btw, Neoti: XBMC Zone hasn't been updated since 2008
[09:46] <HazRPG> and XBMC has changed from using "plugins" to "addons" like you said
[09:46] <HazRPG> so best to do the below: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Unofficial_Add-on_Repositories
[09:46] <HazRPG> instead of using XBMC Zone
[09:46] <HazRPG> since the plugins aren't supported from Zone anymore
[09:48] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Do you work for canonical at all? Or do some projects for ubuntu?
[09:48] <HazRPG> just interested
[09:49] <AlanBell> I don't work for Canonical, but I do work with their corporate services team from time to time
[09:49] <HazRPG> was a reason to why I asked that, but can't remember now (was going to suggest something that the devs could maybe work on)
[09:49] <AlanBell> I am involved in several areas of the Ubuntu project now
[09:49] <HazRPG> cool
[09:50] <HazRPG> ah! yes, now I remember
[09:50] <HazRPG> chat
[09:50] <HazRPG> wouldn't it be a good idea if ubuntu was made in such a way, that people could login to irc - without having to know what irc was, or even how the "chat" thing worked
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: they should know what to expect though
[09:51] <HazRPG> so that people can get logged into their local LoCo irc channel, or the standard #ubuntu channel
[09:51] <AlanBell> they kind of can
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: nobody may be around to help
[09:51] <HazRPG> for help/support
[09:51] <AlanBell> HazRPG: if you launch xchat-gnome it autoconnects to freenode, tries to use your username as a nick and connects to #ubuntu-countrycode
[09:52] <AlanBell> which in our case connects to #ubuntu-GB, which redirects to here
[09:52] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Yeah I know, but if you don't install xchat - then you'd never know would you
[09:52] <AlanBell> agreed
[09:53] <AlanBell> getting xchat on the default install would be good in my opinion
[09:53] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I agree, but that could be the disclaimer at the start though
[09:53] <AlanBell> or another IRC client with similar loco-connecting functionality
[09:53] <HazRPG> AlanBell: indeed
[09:54] <HazRPG> just from experience, I end up being the support guy that my fellow converts contact - and well I don't mind that, but well gets annoying after a while xD
[09:54] <HazRPG> I mean, there was one day - I got like 8 phone calls around roughly the same time because of an update xD
[09:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: See, that could be a feature mentioned on the homepage of the ubuntu site about ubuntu. "Xchat client installed by default - this will connect to your local community, to help with some problems you may encounter. Please note: These are volunteers, and will try to help if they are available..." something along them lines and that the forum is the best place if they want more help, etc
[09:57] <AlanBell> hey, send them all here
[09:57] <AlanBell> with the new loco site http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/
[09:57] <AlanBell> we have http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[09:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I've been trying to get coophi to join IRC for ages now, but he keeps saying "I'll get round to it"
[09:57] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/join-the-conversation/
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> time for tea!
[09:58] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Yeah, I am liking how beta.ubuntu-uk.org is coming along :)
[09:59] <HazRPG> still think the logo in the corner needs changed though
[09:59] <AlanBell> the map is almost working
[09:59] <HazRPG> (top-right podcast one)
[09:59] <AlanBell> yes, I only went mad with the colours so that the podcast folk would object and change it for me
[10:00] <HazRPG> AlanBell: good plan ;)
[10:00] <HazRPG> heck, I've been tempted to change it xD
[10:02] <HazRPG> hmm, I just thought - if all the LoCo's have a "join the conversation" type things on their site... well, maybe, just maybe, one of the dev's could make a - I don't know - a desktop widget / greeting / intro / thing...
[10:02] <HazRPG> (dev's of ubuntu I mean)
[10:02] <HazRPG> and in the intro, it could point them to their local LoCo depending on country setting, etc
[10:02] <HazRPG> that would be more useful
[10:02] <AlanBell> anyone can be a dev of ubuntu
[10:02] <HazRPG> heh, yeah I know :P
[10:02] <AlanBell> there are nice python IRC libraries
[10:03] <Neoti> well i sorted out my xbmc now ...
[10:03] <HazRPG> but my skills aren't exactly that great
[10:03] <Neoti> thanks for the help HazRPG
[10:03] <HazRPG> Neoti: No problem dude, I'm guess #xbmc-linux were more help though :P
[10:03] <Neoti> nope.
[10:03] <Neoti> well
[10:03] <Neoti> kinda
[10:03] <Neoti> the plugins page was the only help
[10:04] <Neoti> i now have the content i wanted apple trailers and game trailers etc .... so im good ...
[10:04] <HazRPG> :)
[10:05] <HazRPG> Neoti: Personally, I use Boxee - which is a variant of XBMC
[10:05] <HazRPG> and, well so much easier to use then XBMC
[10:06] <HazRPG> Neoti: Worth checking out: http://www.boxee.tv/
[10:06] <AlanBell> HazRPG: mad corner podcast thing has been removed until the launch of Season 4
[10:06] <HazRPG> AlanBell: woot!
[10:06] <HazRPG> guessing you have magic ninja ftp access then :OP
[10:07] <HazRPG> :P*
[10:07] <AlanBell> magic ninja wordpress access
[10:07] <HazRPG> oh, really this is made with wordpress :o
[10:07]  * HazRPG impressed
[10:08] <AlanBell> yeah
[10:08] <HazRPG> AlanBell: any reason why there's a nasty purple box around the photo though?
[10:08] <Neoti> you'll have to make a video for youtube of it ...
[10:08] <HazRPG> Neoti: Boxee you mean?
[10:09] <HazRPG> there's a video on their site if I recall
[10:09] <AlanBell> the tasteful aubergine border you mean?
[10:09] <Neoti> i will look at it later... for now i have moved from GBpvr to MediaPortal to xbmc... im just a media center slut....!!!!! lol
[10:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah, it looks wrong somehow
[10:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: first time I saw it about a week or so ago... I thought it was clickable
[10:10] <HazRPG> Neoti: If I recall I recommended Boxee to you when others were shouting XBMC xD
[10:11] <Neoti> i know but i looked at xbmc first and thought "o shiny and pritty" and sorta stuck with it ... sorry Haz.... i will look now ...
[10:11]  * Neoti Thinks he offended HazRPG..... About to fix that tho!!! SORRY!!!!!
[10:11] <HazRPG> Neoti: Nah dude, don't be sorry - we're a community dude :) we'll all have our own opinions as to what works best for us
[10:13] <markjones> Where I was this weekend: http://bit.ly/dEXMnm
[10:13] <HazRPG> Neoti: Personally I like Boxee, because they're getting sponsors from things lik Vudu movies, NetFlix, etc (and yes although those are american brands, it won't be long before the BBC and stuff try to get involved)
[10:14] <HazRPG> Neoti: I recall seeing somewhere before boxee lauched (back in alpha) their promise to keep boxee free and open
[10:15] <HazRPG> Neoti: They'll be making their money from their sponsors, their boxes that they've made, etc... so as a whole I can see them striving to better goals then XMBC - but that's just me
[10:15] <HazRPG> plus since it's the same base, plugins for either work fine
[10:16] <HazRPG> markjones: why does this guy look familiar to me: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryn_s/5399282735/in/set-72157625934186738/
[10:16] <Neoti> in xbmc is there away to use my wintv 3000 card by huppage?
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: he's you, you see him every day in the mirror?
[10:17] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Not quite :P
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: just guessing :)
[10:17] <HazRPG> hmm, does ubuntu actually have an official page on facebook?
[10:18] <HazRPG> with the whole boom of all things going social media :/
[10:19] <HazRPG> I'm sure I have a friend that looks like him
[10:20] <HazRPG> omg wait... he looks like that kid from superbad xD
[10:21] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[10:21] <AlanBell> 326,220 people like this
[10:21] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah I've noticed that, but it could just be fan-based
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> argh
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> because one type of Intel wlan chip has issues with 802.11n they've disabled it on ALL iwlagn devices?
[10:22]  * MartijnVdS pokes around in /etc/modprobe.d/
[10:22] <HazRPG> heh, wow 2 of my mates "liked" that page ^^,
[10:22] <HazRPG> one of them I met here on this channel, and one irl
[10:22] <AlanBell> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2205498133
[10:22] <AlanBell> I think that one may be more official or something
[10:22] <AlanBell> I don't know the difference between a group and a page really
[10:23] <HazRPG> both can be made by anyone (much like a wiki)
[10:24] <HazRPG> a page however, can be automatically made by simply putting "keyword" in your "info" section of your profile
[10:24] <HazRPG> a group, has to actually be made
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> one of those also contains wikipedia content
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> by default
[10:25] <MartijnVdS>         tx bitrate: 162.0 MBit/s MCS 12 40Mhz
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:25] <HazRPG> with groups, you've got discussions, etc so its more like making a community (much like google groups, etc), and a page, is just for updates
[10:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ?
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I've disabled the disabling of 802.11n in the iwlagn driver
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: /etc/modprobe.d/intel-5300-iwlagn-disable11n.conf
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> I have a 6300, but it still triggered and disabled the N bit
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> which is unfortunate, because N works fine
[10:27]  * Neoti getting coffee!
[10:27] <HazRPG> heh, nice :)
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> now all I need is N and ipv6 on my ps3 and I'm completely in the 21th century ;)
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> st
[10:28] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I wish I could get N for my PS3 too, and my router :/
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: My ISP gave me a Fritz!Box 7340.. it has native ipv6-over-dsl support, and wifi-n :)
[10:29] <HazRPG> I wish I'd studied engineering, and electronics at school
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> no concurrent 2/5GHz though :(
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what did you study?
[10:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: The only subjects they had available :/
[10:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: My parents moved to saudi for work
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: so.. you have a BA in knitting? :P
[10:31] <HazRPG> so for my GCSE's I had to take English, Computing, Bio, Chem, Phys, then either History, French or Geography
[10:31] <HazRPG> Math was a must too
[10:31]  * HazRPG tries to remember other subjects
[10:31] <HazRPG> arabic was a must, but well my arabic was poor for reading/writing so I got opt-ed out for it
[10:32] <HazRPG> if the example was spoken - I would have been able to pass with flying colours
[10:32] <HazRPG> exam* not example xD
[10:33] <HazRPG> I took English Lit. but we didn't have teachers for it - but thankfully we had a british teacher, who said she'd teach me it after school hours and managed to get a classroom organised with the principle
[10:33] <HazRPG> think there was 3 of us in total that took it
[10:34] <HazRPG> erm... think that was it
[10:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I've got a HND in Computing?
[10:34] <HazRPG> shame though, cos I taught everything I know myself - didn't actually learn anything at college
[10:35] <HazRPG> I mean I wrote my first piece of HTML when I was 13
[10:35]  * MartijnVdS just did Dutch, English, Math [option B, the harder one :)], Phys, Chem, History, and a few "non-exam" subjects.. then tried studying CS for a year and dropped out because Linux was too much fun :P
[10:35] <HazRPG> (hurray for web crawler apps back in the 90's)
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Hotbot!
[10:35] <HazRPG> ?
[10:36] <HazRPG> oh heh lol
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> that was one of the early search engines
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> with altavista, yahoo, etc.
[10:36] <HazRPG> nah, I was old-school - didn't know about search engines until much later on
[10:36] <HazRPG> I used an actual web crawler app to sprawl through the net
[10:37] <HazRPG> it was called Bee something or other
[10:37] <HazRPG> haha no way
[10:37] <HazRPG> www.pagetutor.com <== still exists!
[10:37] <HazRPG> that was the site that taught me my basics xD
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> my dad taught me GW-BASIC when I was 9 or 10
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> so I've been programming since then :)
[10:38] <HazRPG> looks like it hasn't changed much either
[10:38] <HazRPG> yeah I crawled for "How to make a computer program" at the same time as "How to make a website"
[10:39] <HazRPG> so I wrote my first HTML and C++ HelloWorld app back when I was 13
[10:39] <HazRPG> I hated computing at school though, because we had to make a VB6 app for a database - when all I wanted to do was C++ coding
[10:40] <HazRPG> even when I went to college, they pushed VB6 down our throats
[10:40] <HazRPG> :/
[10:40] <HazRPG> was so glad my HND involved C++ and Java
[10:41] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Was that for the ZX?
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no, DOS :)
[10:42] <HazRPG> haha old-school
[10:43] <HazRPG> did some Basic myself at one point
[10:44] <HazRPG> BlitzBasic <== that's the one
[10:45] <HazRPG> made a really really simple game in blitzbasic
[10:46] <markjones> HazRPG, he is @nwdls on twitter, Rhodri ap Dyfrig is his real name.
[10:46] <markjones> and.. yeah, i dunno :P
[10:46] <HazRPG> markjones: yeah, he looks like this kid: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2395586/
[10:47] <markjones> aah, xD
[10:47] <HazRPG> but a European version of him
[10:47] <HazRPG> smile/glasses look similar though
[10:48] <HazRPG> markjones: what was the event about dude?
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: a European version? You mean half his weight? :P
[10:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: that... and the fact that he's paler - with a more european facial structure
[10:50] <HazRPG> eye type, hair, facial expressions, etc
[10:51] <HazRPG> makes him look sort of british / sort of european
[10:51] <HazRPG> where as the guy from superbad, you can tell he's american
[10:51] <markjones> HazRPG, It was an event about technology and the Welsh Language, there were talks on everything from Wordpress to Ubuntu
[10:51] <HazRPG> markjones: nice :)
[10:51] <HazRPG> markjones: were was it hosted?
[10:52] <HazRPG> I'm tempted to get my friends to go to Ucubed - looks like it could be fun
[10:52] <markjones> HazRPG, it was hosted in Wales at Aberystwyth University, we were using the same building the BBC has a newsroom and studio in :D
[10:53] <HazRPG> haha nice
[10:54] <markjones> yeah. t'was ace
[10:56] <AlanBell> cloud computing meets parenting /o\
[10:56] <HazRPG> xD
[10:57] <HazRPG> anyone going to Ucubed btw?
[10:57] <AlanBell> lots of tears due to entering a club penguin password with caps lock on too many times and now the account is locked for an hour
[10:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: oops >_<
[10:59] <HazRPG> this guy is dumb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsW-eXhMZzc
[10:59] <AlanBell> heh, he is totally not getting that it is locked out on my computer as well as the children's one
[11:00] <HazRPG> bet he didn't realise that the xbox360 games have a video section on them
[11:01] <HazRPG> if he had a DreamCast in the past, he'd have known the same thing - because you get a message when you put a DreamCast game into a stereo saying "this is a DreamCast game..."
[11:01] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ^^,
[11:05]  * Neoti Looking at Mythbuntu and Boxee... need a media center that supports My TV Capture card... or might just buy a newone... any suggestions for one that supported under ubuntu?
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> the mythbuntu wiki has lists
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> (of supported cards)
[11:07] <bigcalm> I have a dual head digital card in my mythtv box. But I haven't used that box for about 2 years. Need to sell it really
[11:08] <Neoti> whats the card ?
[11:08] <dutchie> bigcalm: ooh, i might be tempted to take that off you
[11:08] <MartijnVdS> I have a sat card in my desktop
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> don't really use it that much tbh
[11:09] <bigcalm> Can't remember :)
[11:10] <bigcalm> dutchie: http://www.lazygnome.net/diary/592
[11:11] <bigcalm> Very old blog entry, doesn't say much about it, but that's the case
[11:12] <dutchie> looks quite shiny
[11:12] <HazRPG> Neoti: #boxee <==
[11:12] <bigcalm> It's a very quiet case. Silicon buffers on the mounts for the harddrives and DVD drive
[11:12] <Neoti> im thereHaxRPG
[11:12] <bigcalm> 2 x 120mm fans
[11:13] <bigcalm> (I think)
[11:13] <Neoti> should be HazRPG
[11:13] <bigcalm> 2gb ram (max that the mobo will take)
[11:13] <Neoti> im also just reading the link from lazygnome ...
[11:13] <Neoti> seems good ...
[11:14] <Neoti> i want a list of every bit of hardware supported by ubuntu ... does such a list exsist !???? i wander...
[11:15] <bigcalm> Neoti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/
[11:16] <Gringo> Hey guys can i use utorrent with ubuntu?
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> !torrent
[11:18] <Neoti> Doh , my wintv PVR 3000 is not supported https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaHauppauge DOH DOH DOH... !!!!!!!
[11:18] <bigcalm> It might be at a later date
[11:19] <Darael> Neoti: The hardware support doesn't list everything that'll work, just the ones that have been tested.  If it's not mentioned, give it a go?
[11:19] <HazRPG> Gringo: nope, there is a torrent program already built in
[11:19] <HazRPG> as MartijnVdS just pointed out :P
[11:20] <Darael> Listing absolutely everything that works would presumably require having a list of every single model of each component that exists, which doesn't seem likely somehow...
[11:21] <HazRPG> Neoti: Best way is to test it out
[11:22] <HazRPG> Gringo: How's things going anyways? With your whole switching to ubuntu.
[11:22] <HazRPG> going good so far?
[11:22] <bigcalm> Time to go walking :)
[11:22] <Darael> Neoti: Also bear in mind that the only thing listed on that page as not working hasn't been tested since 2005 - there's a good chance it's been made to work in the intervening six years.  Try it, maybe it'll work.
[11:26] <Neoti> ok im selling Hauppauge WinTV HVR-3000 - DVB-T/DVB-S it includes all cables and the remote, plus the remote has never been used.
[11:26] <HazRPG> !kernel
[11:27] <christhecoolboy> hey AlanBell :)
[11:27] <HazRPG> Neoti: Btw, support for that card was added in kernel 2.6.28-rc1
[11:27] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: o/
[11:28] <HazRPG> Neoti: The version of the kernel in Ubuntu 10.10 is 2.6.35 - so your TV card should work out of the box :)
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> so what can I do?
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> I cant even install it
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> its static...
[11:28] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: hi \o
[11:28] <Neoti> oh ... ok ... did not know that ...
[11:28] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: do you have an external monitor to plug in?
[11:29] <HazRPG> Neoti: Here's for reference: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-3000
[11:29] <christhecoolboy> Not where I am at the moment
[11:29] <HazRPG> Neoti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview#Linux kernel 2.6.35
[11:29] <Neoti> i guess im still a newb
[11:29] <christhecoolboy> isnt there a command
[11:29] <christhecoolboy> that I can put
[11:29] <HazRPG> Neoti: Thing to remember is that the kernel controls everything, so drivers are usually included with the kernel
[11:30] <Neoti> ah so if i plug this card in it will get picked up? also what is a good program for viewing the stations ?
[11:30] <Neoti> in ubuntu ....
[11:31] <HazRPG> Window does the same thing (sorta), except microsoft don't tend to keep on-top of drivers for ALL devices like linux tries to
[11:31] <AlanBell> I have a black prototype webbook that is broken and has no hdd, I used to have a white one which was more functional but I can't find it right now
[11:32] <HazRPG> Neoti: Not sure, my TV card I use to have got washed away in the floods in 2005... and I didn't start using linux until 2006
[11:32] <HazRPG> Neoti: My guess would be XBMC, Boxee, MythTV, etc
[11:32] <christhecoolboy> ;'(
[11:32] <AlanBell> ah, there it is
[11:33] <HazRPG> what's the problem exactly christhecoolboy?
[11:33] <christhecoolboy> when I try to install
[11:33] <christhecoolboy> its all static
[11:33] <christhecoolboy> and I cant see a lot
[11:33] <christhecoolboy> just static
[11:33] <HazRPG> you mean when you try to install ubuntu?
[11:33] <christhecoolboy> yeah
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> when I start the CD
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> its fine
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> then as soon as the screen loads
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> static
[11:34] <HazRPG> ohhh
[11:34] <AlanBell> it is a crappy chipset
[11:34] <HazRPG> heh, I thought you meant it would only let you put a static IP address
[11:34] <AlanBell> openchrome drivers
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> well, my sister wanted a netbook
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> and that was only £30
[11:36] <HazRPG> hmm, what netbook we talking about here?
[11:36] <AlanBell> yay, power supply and it boots
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> elonex webbook
[11:36] <AlanBell> crappy company too
[11:36] <AlanBell> totally screwed us over
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> my mum bought it for my sis
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> cause it was cheap
[11:36] <HazRPG> AlanBell: what have you tried so far?
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> and my sis is 7
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> so its a good first netbook
[11:37] <AlanBell> HazRPG: the last article I wrote was 9.10
[11:37] <AlanBell> but I think I got 10.04 up on it
[11:37] <HazRPG> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> me?
[11:37] <AlanBell> http://webbookblog.com/ubuntu-9-10-the-karmic-koala/
[11:38] <HazRPG> heh, was just about to say I saw a forum somewhere that they were running 8.xx
[11:39] <christhecoolboy> isnt there a command I can put it before it installs
[11:39] <christhecoolboy> and how do I do it?
[11:39] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:39] <christhecoolboy> morning brobostigon
[11:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: morning \o
[11:39] <AlanBell> you could try the alternate CD
[11:40] <AlanBell> this webbook isn't seeing it's hdd at the moment
[11:40] <brobostigon> morning HazRPG and christhecoolboy :)
[11:40] <HazRPG> oh wait, so the LiveCD is fine - but once its install it messes up?
[11:40] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell :)
[11:40] <christhecoolboy> no the Live CD is messed up too
[11:41] <AlanBell> HazRPG: it is a *very* screwed up machine, the EDI information that the bios provides is a lie
[11:41] <HazRPG> ouch!
[11:41] <AlanBell> the control keys were fitted the wrong way round too, just shows the quality
[11:42] <HazRPG> :/
[11:43] <AlanBell> ah, it has no HDD, that will be why the BIOS isn't seeing it :)
[11:43] <HazRPG> xD
[11:43] <daubers> Morning
[11:44] <HazRPG> daubers: morning \o
[11:44] <HazRPG> AlanBell: wait, do you have his netbook on you?
[11:44]  * daubers has just been and got more flight cases from maplins as they're #15 off at the moment
[11:44] <AlanBell> you have to love the little hole in the case where the webcam would be if they paid to fit one
[11:44] <christhecoolboy> HazRPG, he has the same netbook
[11:45] <HazRPG> ah
[11:45] <AlanBell> and the bluetooth symbol on the keyboard is a nice touch. Would have been nicer if they had fitted a bluetooth chip.
[11:46] <christhecoolboy> AlanBell, isnt there a way of putting in extra commands before the disc loads...
[11:46] <HazRPG> xD
[11:47] <HazRPG> you can in the alt-version of the disc I think
[11:47] <christhecoolboy> HazRPG, huh?
[11:48] <HazRPG> there's two types of ubuntu discs
[11:48] <HazRPG> desktop Live CD
[11:48] <HazRPG> and desktop Alternative Install CD
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> ok
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> I got a thing up
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> boot options
[11:49] <HazRPG> AlanBell is properly going to be the best man to help you out since he has the hardware :)
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> what is nomodeset
[11:49] <jacobw> morning
[11:49] <HazRPG> jacobw: mornin \o
[11:50]  * AlanBell has a booted webbook
[11:50] <AlanBell> running 10.04
[11:50] <christhecoolboy> what do I do on "Other Options"
[11:50] <christhecoolboy> to get it to work with graphics
[11:50] <AlanBell> 1024x600 resolution, no screen corruption
[11:51] <christhecoolboy> how?
[11:51] <christhecoolboy> I am a bit of a noob
[11:51] <AlanBell> I used the technique of slapping in random hdds from my desk drawer until the bios recognised one and it booted
[11:52] <christhecoolboy> boot options blah blah... "quiet splash --"
[11:52] <christhecoolboy> what do I put after all of the "blah blahs"
[11:53] <AlanBell> http://pastebin.com/qeNFfNbe
[11:53] <AlanBell> that is the xorg.conf that works
[11:53] <AlanBell> it won't autodetect the graphics and get it right
[11:53] <christhecoolboy> how do I put that on the Boot Options?
[11:54] <AlanBell> and I don't think you can edit the xorg.conf of a live CD before it boots
[11:54] <AlanBell> I think you need to find a vga monitor
[11:54] <christhecoolboy> I dont have one :(
[11:54] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: from what I can... yeah what AlanBell said ^^,
[11:54] <AlanBell> only temporary
[11:55] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: what are you using right now?
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> All my computers have built in screens
[11:55] <AlanBell> just borrow one somewhere, do the install and download that xorg.conf
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> I have 1 imac
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> 1 touch screen PC
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> and 2 laptops
[11:55] <HazRPG> ouch
[11:55] <HazRPG> got a friend you can borrow one from?
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> nope
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> No friends, awww
[11:56] <AlanBell> you *might* be able to do a text mode install from the alternate CD, and boot to a command line and edit the xorg.conf
[11:56] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: not in London next week are you?
[11:56] <christhecoolboy> nope
[11:56] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: I live on the border of england/scotland if your near there
[11:57] <AlanBell> try a library/school/office or something
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> they wont let you mess with the monitors :(
[11:57] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: you'd be surprised, if you ask
[11:58] <christhecoolboy> hmmmmm...
[11:58] <christhecoolboy> I wonder...
[11:58] <christhecoolboy> does my TV have VGA?
[11:58] <AlanBell> flat panel TV with vga input
[11:58] <HazRPG> if you go into a secondary school and see if the techies will help you get your netbook plugged into a monitor - I'm sure they will
[11:59] <HazRPG> or even previous college you use to go to, etc
[11:59] <AlanBell> I am going to upgrade this one to 10.10 and see what happens
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> VGA input on a flat-panel TV?
[11:59] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah some do
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> MartijnVdS, most HD TV's do
[12:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: My friend has a samsung that does, and so does my sister
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> My old TV had one
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> but my new one only has HDMI
[12:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Really depends on the manufacturer really and model
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> sure
[12:01] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: you'll need a VGA cable to be able to hook it up though
[12:01] <christhecoolboy> I *might* have one somewhere
[12:02] <jacobw> does anyone know of a guide to getting banshee set up with the ubuntu one music store? i'm having trouble with previously downloaded tracks
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: try "re-load library" (from the Tools menu)
[12:02] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I just thought, on the LiveCD - one would guess it still boots everything up even though the screen is screwy - think you'd be able to press CTRL+ALT+F1?
[12:03] <AlanBell> HazRPG: good suggestion, I seem to recall that not working though
[12:03] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Ah :/
[12:03] <AlanBell> in fact on this one with working X I have broken consoles
[12:04] <HazRPG> :(
[12:04]  * MartijnVdS had to unbreak X on natty this morning
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> it was crashing on some evdev stuff related to the USB HID devices that my bluetooth dongle presents to the world
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> as in real SEGVs
[12:05] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: random
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: maybe it's the "16 buttons" bit
[12:05] <HazRPG> possibly
[12:05] <HazRPG> I think its time for some coffee
[12:06] <HazRPG> looks like coffee time to me
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> nah
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> tea
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> it's time for tea.
[12:06] <HazRPG> as in dinner?
[12:06] <HazRPG> or as in tea the drink?
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> tea the drink :)
[12:06]  * HazRPG always gets annoyed when people call dinner "tea"
[12:06] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: looking at http://www.openchrome.org/trac/wiki/About it seems that there might be a possibility that the 3d hardware could work again one day
[12:07] <HazRPG> AlanBell: You seem like the kind of guy that would know, is it hard to make your own OEM discs for ubuntu?
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: oem-config-remaster - Remaster a CD with additional oem-config functionality
[12:07] <HazRPG> with settings, etc that I would normally do
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that's a package :)
[12:08] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Sweet :)
[12:08] <AlanBell> the webbook uses oem-config-prepare
[12:09] <AlanBell> that is/was an option on the alternate CD
[12:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I was just thinking, because it might be an idea for christhecoolboy to make a CD that has the Xconf changes he needs - that way he won't have to worry about it in future
[12:11]  * HazRPG wonders why he went into the kitchen again
[12:11] <domjohnson> Can fsck cause data loss?
[12:11] <HazRPG> oh yeah! coffee!
[12:12] <AlanBell> HazRPG: we actually made bootable SD cards that dropped a disk image onto the hdd for restores
[12:12] <AlanBell> never explored custom CDs really as there is no optical drive
[12:16] <domjohnson> Why might a USB External HDD not show up in lsusb or nautilus?
[12:16] <domjohnson> Or Gparted?
[12:16] <brobostigon> domjohnson: is it powered  ?
[12:16] <domjohnson> Yes
[12:16] <brobostigon> is itplugged in inthat case?
[12:16] <domjohnson> And it looks like its plugged in - the LED is flashing
[12:17] <brobostigon> ok.
[12:17] <brobostigon> domjohnson: how about in dmesg ?
[12:18] <HazRPG> AlanBell: oh really?
[12:18] <domjohnson> Ok, its recognised now
[12:18] <domjohnson> But
[12:18] <domjohnson> it says 'an operation is already pending'
[12:20]  * HazRPG tempted to install proxmox on my server
[12:21] <christhecoolboy> Minecraft should be called Digdugcraft! ROFL
[12:21] <HazRPG> I still haven't played minecraft >_<
[12:21] <HazRPG> do you actually have to pay for minecraft?
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> HazRPG, yes
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> about £10
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> its cheaper than normal video games
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> normal games are like £39.99
[12:23] <HazRPG> I think they should put minecraft on steam :P
[12:23] <christhecoolboy> does that mean that I can have a cup of tea?
[12:25] <HazRPG> yeah I normally buy indie games, more fun, cheaper :)
[12:25] <domjohnson> Got it working now :)
[12:25] <domjohnson> Cheers brobostigon - unplugged it and plugged it back in (the power), rebooted, and it worked.
[12:31]  * HazRPG can't believe I just bought minecraft T_T
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> "Have you tried turning it off and back on again" 8-)
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it's been nice knowing you 8-)
[12:32] <HazRPG> ^^<
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: good luck with the addiction
[12:32] <HazRPG> ^^,
[12:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I have smoking for that ^^,
[12:32] <HazRPG> Rush is more addictive anyway
[12:32] <HazRPG> (game on steam)
[12:33] <HazRPG> ok this game laggggs like crazy >_<
[12:36] <jonsaint> john7274..
[12:38] <czajkowski> Aloha
[12:38] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> \o czajkowski
[12:39] <AlanBell> o/
[12:40] <czajkowski> hows folks
[12:41] <HazRPG> how do you build anything :S
[12:41] <HazRPG> \o hey
[12:42] <markjones> HazRPG, you have to hit stuff to get bricks
[12:42] <HazRPG> markjones: yeah I got that bit :P
[12:42] <HazRPG> got loads of stuff so far
[12:43] <markjones> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting
[12:43] <markjones> make a Cratg
[12:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: how's you?
[12:43] <markjones> *Crafting table ASAP
[12:44] <czajkowski> Pendulum: good had yummy breakfast
[12:45] <Pendulum> :)
[12:45] <markjones> HazRPG, prod me in about 5 hours if you want any more help
[12:51] <HazRPG> its getting dark... doesn't that mean bad things xD
[12:54] <HazRPG> I managed to crash the game somehow xD
[13:01] <HazRPG> markjones: can't get the crafting table to work :/
[13:03] <HazRPG> ah ha! nvm
[13:03] <Myrtti> booyah.
[13:03] <Myrtti> Finland... snowy
[13:05] <Thingymebob> The day the routers died! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 hilarous
[13:07] <AlanBell> awesome
[13:11] <HazRPG> I died :(
[13:14] <HazRPG> wow, popey has spent a lot of hours on this game hasn't he T_T
[13:14] <HazRPG> just logged in on his server
[13:15] <Nafallo> Thingymebob: \o/
[13:16] <HazRPG> I don't think I /get/ this game
[13:16]  * HazRPG 's mind boggles
[13:16] <HazRPG> I understand second life though :/ which is weird
[13:17] <directhex> it's like second life, but you punch trees, and it doesn't use Mono
[13:17] <HazRPG> directhex: yeah I know, but I can understand 3D modelling...
[13:18] <directhex> HazRPG, well, think of it more like voxel modelling :p
[13:18] <HazRPG> anything you need, you create - which I guess is similar here, except you have to /find/ the materials you want to use lol
[13:18] <HazRPG> which is a pain to me xD
[13:18] <directhex> HazRPG, punch more trees
[13:21] <christhecoolboy> hey AlanBell?
[13:21] <AlanBell> o/
[13:21] <christhecoolboy> its installed
[13:21] <christhecoolboy> where do I put that file you sent me?
[13:21] <AlanBell> awesome
[13:21] <christhecoolboy> ^^
[13:21] <AlanBell> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:22] <HazRPG> directhex: that's all well and good, but don't I need to make doors, torches, etc?
[13:22] <directhex> HazRPG, from wood, primarily. which is sourced from tree punching
[13:22] <HazRPG> torches need coal :/
[13:22] <christhecoolboy> ok
[13:22]  * christhecoolboy has a problem
[13:22] <HazRPG> and I can't find any blocks to get that from :/
[13:23] <christhecoolboy> :(
[13:23] <directhex> HazRPG, dig down!
[13:23] <christhecoolboy> I cant see text
[13:23] <christhecoolboy> its like || box | ||
[13:24]  * HazRPG pushes minecraft to one side before I get really hooked
[13:24] <HazRPG> I'll come back to it later xD
[13:24] <christhecoolboy> and unity keeps on crashing?
[13:24] <christhecoolboy> :(
[13:25] <AlanBell> can you get to a terminal christhecoolboy?
[13:26] <AlanBell> my upgrade has another hour or so to go
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> no
[13:26]  * HazRPG omg I forgot I had chumbawamba
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> when I move the mouse
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> to the unity
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> it crashes
[13:26] <AlanBell> oh :(
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> sounds like unity
[13:26] <AlanBell> when you log on do you have an option to go to the classic desktop or something like that?
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> no
[13:26] <christhecoolboy> it auto logs in
[13:27] <AlanBell> can you log out?
[13:27] <christhecoolboy> erm...
[13:27]  * christhecoolboy has terminal
[13:28] <HazRPG> christhecoolboy: are you using 11.04?
[13:28] <AlanBell> yay
[13:28] <christhecoolboy> no
[13:28] <christhecoolboy> 10.10
[13:28] <christhecoolboy> netbook
[13:28] <HazRPG> ah
[13:28] <HazRPG> was wondering how you had unity xD
[13:29] <christhecoolboy> xorg.conf is empty?
[13:30] <christhecoolboy> In terminal
[13:31] <christhecoolboy> I wrote 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[13:31] <christhecoolboy> without the 's
[13:31] <AlanBell> wget -O /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=qeNFfNbe
[13:31] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: do that ^^
[13:32] <christhecoolboy> ok
[13:32] <AlanBell> it will download the xorg.conf and put it in the right place
[13:32] <AlanBell> actually stick sudo in front of it
[13:32] <AlanBell> sudo wget -O /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=qeNFfNbe
[13:32] <HazRPG> hmm, does anyone know what happened to zabadda?
[13:33] <brobostigon> gksudo gedit     -    sudo nano  .only sudo for cli apps, and gksudo for gui apps, othertwise breakage possible.
[13:33] <selinuxium> morning!
[13:33] <HazRPG> never see him in irc anymore
[13:33] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh yeah, whatever happened to that adrino card you were messing around with about 6-12months ago?
[13:34] <HazRPG> brobostigon: you were having time issues if I recall
[13:35] <christhecoolboy> wget: invalid option -- '0'
[13:35] <brobostigon> HazRPG: different tactic something much simpler, i simplief the plan from then, i now have it picking up signals from the various car hydraulic components, and out putting the right singnalbased onswitch and potentiometer position.
[13:35] <AlanBell> capital O
[13:36] <AlanBell> oOoO
[13:36] <christhecoolboy> saved
[13:36] <christhecoolboy> I thought it was zero
[13:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah cool
[13:36] <AlanBell> short for Output file
[13:36] <christhecoolboy> now what about unity?
[13:36] <christhecoolboy> its crashing
[13:37] <christhecoolboy> also, is that done now?
[13:37] <selinuxium> Hi guys, would anyone know how to record a stream from ustream? I have a gig tonight that they are streaming..
[13:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: however with the plans my dad gave me a few days ago, we will need something that can multithread and has more program memory and ram.
[13:37] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: ok, reboot and cross fingers,toes and other stuff and for good measure hold a black cat under a ladder
[13:38] <christhecoolboy> ok
[13:38] <christhecoolboy> xD
[13:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: or connect several controllers togather.
[13:39] <christhecoolboy> it says about a kernal panic?
[13:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah
[13:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmmm...
[13:40] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: bother
[13:40] <brobostigon> HazRPG: anf i am doing my best to keep everything as OSS as possible.
[13:41] <christhecoolboy> what do I do? ;'(
[13:41] <christhecoolboy> oooooh
[13:41] <christhecoolboy> it works
[13:42] <christhecoolboy> now we need to fix problem too
[13:42] <christhecoolboy> the weird thing
[13:42] <christhecoolboy> its not showing text
[13:42] <christhecoolboy> on the top
[13:42] <christhecoolboy> screen
[13:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[13:43] <HazRPG> I'm sure you could get several adrino's together
[13:44]  * HazRPG trying to remember what the project was for exactly...
[13:44] <HazRPG> I know it was car related xD
[13:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: however as it is, i am sure we will be able to find an arduino with enough memory.
[13:44] <HazRPG> :)
[13:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i did say, :)
[13:44] <brobostigon> maybe.
[13:45] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: it started working?
[13:45] <christhecoolboy> yup
[13:45] <christhecoolboy> now...
[13:45] <christhecoolboy> when I try desktop version
[13:45] <AlanBell> nice
[13:45] <christhecoolboy> its all fine
[13:46] <christhecoolboy> how do I fix it?
[13:46] <AlanBell> so unity is broken
[13:46] <AlanBell> I don't think that is going to work
[13:46] <AlanBell> mutter probably uses some accelleration stuff that isn't available in openchrome
[13:46] <brobostigon> HazRPG: 1KB, is going to be making it tight inprogram memory.
[13:47] <christhecoolboy> any fixes?
[13:47] <AlanBell> after I have upgraded this one to 10.10 I will probably upgrade again to the development version 11.04
[13:47] <AlanBell> christhecoolboy: probably not
[13:47] <christhecoolboy> oh :(
[13:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I'm sure it'll be fine
[13:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: besides, if you release it as an actual piece of hardware - they'll be able to make one with bigger memory
[14:00] <HazRPG> hey guys, having a mild problem with bootup of ubuntu 10.10
[14:01] <HazRPG> seems that sometimes it'll boot and sometimes it won't
[14:05] <HazRPG> it'll just freeze at the terminal
[14:05] <HazRPG> this is after the bootloader
[14:05] <HazRPG> with a blank cursor at the top left
[14:05] <HazRPG> I'll have to restart, and try to boot again to try and get in
[14:07] <HazRPG> don't know what causes it
[14:08] <brobostigon> HazRPG: very good point, yes, :)
[14:08] <HazRPG> do you get that too?
[14:12] <brobostigon> HazRPG: is it sticking justafter grub,but before the kernel buffer messages. ?
[14:13] <HazRPG> yeah
[14:13] <brobostigon> Linux debian 2.6.37-trunk-686 #1 SMP Thu Jan 6 14:39:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:14] <brobostigon> HazRPG: however i am using debian sid/unstable with the above kernel and most recent grub2.
[14:18] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I'm just using standard ubuntu 10.10 with current updates
[14:18] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i dont think we can compare then.
[14:25] <HazRPG> its just weird how it just randomly does that before booting the O/S :/
[14:26] <HazRPG> it did this in 10.04 too
[14:26] <HazRPG> but was fine in other versions before that
[14:27] <Neoti> im back
[14:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: on my eeepc,with 10.10, i didnt have the problem, however here it sid its there. and it seems to only do it, it seems, when gnome-shell plays up, and i have to force restart.
[14:28] <brobostigon> Neoti: wb. :)
[14:29] <Neoti> just booted windows up on my other partition on this computer loaded the huppage capture card and the software kept crashing ..... i got 0 analogue stations 0 digital stations and 1 radio station ... YIPEE!!!! lol .... ARGH!!! DAM WINDOWS!!!!!
[14:29] <Neoti> so i am going to try my luck on ubuntu!
[14:30] <Neoti> also stupid Q is UK east or west europe.... i can not think
[14:30] <brobostigon> western europe.
[14:31] <brobostigon> Neoti: poland, turkey etc is eastern europe
[14:32] <Neoti> ah ... good.. i thought it was west ... just thought i would check ... i had freevo selected on west but thought its always best to check ... he he
[14:32] <brobostigon> :)
[14:32] <brobostigon> ok.
[14:37] <Neoti> ok i have the huppage thing installed i have also install TVtime to test picture output, i have a device hooked up to composite 1 and i can see the picture etc... i can not get TV on here becuse the area is crap , but how do i get a picture in XBMC now that i now my card sorta works lol
[14:46] <HazRPG> Neoti: should have a setup section somewhere in XBMC somewhere
[14:50] <selinuxium> Does anyone know how to record a stream from ustream? I am gigging tonight and the club is streaming it. Would really like to record it...
[14:50] <Neoti> ok this video shows TV being used i just cant find how to enable it... and i cant find stuff on the net either....
[14:50] <Neoti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAFZBrUz3Rs&feature=related
[14:55] <daubers> Nice!
[14:55] <daubers>  Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x4e00003 (Update Man); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck.
[15:03] <christhecoolboy> I need help :(
[15:05] <christhecoolboy> AlanBell?
[15:07] <AlanBell> sorry, I am off out now
[15:07] <AlanBell> catch me later in the week or ask your question and someone may know
[15:07] <AlanBell> my webook upgrade appears to be failing
[15:08] <christhecoolboy> its an emergency :(
[15:36] <Thingymebob> wow unity is bad right now
[15:55] <HazRPG> just used nano for the first time \o/
[15:55] <brobostigon> :)
[15:55]  * HazRPG +1 ubuntu skill
[15:56] <brobostigon> much easier to use than other alternatives.
[15:56] <HazRPG> couldn't be bothered loggin out of my sister's session to login to mine to change /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:56] <brobostigon> ah,
[15:56] <HazRPG> (she doesn't have admin access at all)
[15:56] <czajkowski> c
[15:56] <brobostigon> i see.
[15:56] <HazRPG> so CTRL+ALT+F1
[15:57] <HazRPG> which I use often anyways - quicker to access the terminal that way
[15:57] <HazRPG> win :)
[15:58] <brobostigon> i always have a terminal window open, 99% of the time.
[15:59]  * brobostigon needs some inspiration.
[16:24] <Gringo> Where can i et some cool ubuntu themes from?
[16:25] <brobostigon> gnome-look i think its called, is a good start.
[16:27] <Gringo> ...
[16:27] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[16:27] <brobostigon>  /join #ubuntu
[16:42] <OmNomSequitur> Gringo should've tried #ubuntu-mx
[16:43] <brobostigon> ideas of a voicemail app for android, thats works with o2 ?
[16:47] <DJones> brobostigon: brobostigon Don't O2 provide a voicemail service?
[16:48] <brobostigon> DJones: yes, i was just thinking as to if there something that canshow me,if ihave voicemail without having to ring their number.
[16:48] <HazRPG> OmNomSequitur: what does the mx part for?
[16:49] <HazRPG> there are apps so that it records the actual phone calls onto your phone instead
[16:49] <DJones> brobostigon: Right, don't know how o2 work, but with vodafone, if i've got voicemail, i get a message in the notification area
[16:49] <brobostigon> DJones: ok, i havent seen such a think yet. hmm.
[16:50] <OmNomSequitur> HazRPG: Mexico.
[16:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: don't think o2 support that
[16:50] <HazRPG> brobostigon: o2 doesn't support a lot of things :/
[16:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :(
[16:50] <HazRPG> I hate how it doesn't support delivery reports properly :/
[16:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that too,
[16:50] <HazRPG> typing in #0* in front of a message is not a delivery report :/
[16:51] <HazRPG> sorry its *0#
[16:52] <HazRPG> if you type that infront of a message body, you'll get sent a text message back when they receive the message
[16:52] <HazRPG> personally, that's just laziness as far as the network is concerned :/
[16:52] <brobostigon> hmm,
[16:52] <HazRPG> its just a hack/tweak imho
[16:52] <HazRPG> don't worry the *0# doesn't get sent to the recipient
[16:52] <HazRPG> it gets parsed out
[16:53] <brobostigon> interesting.
[16:54] <moreati> HazRPG: A random question, but it's always bugged me. Do you know how blackberries do push notifications without draining their battery like Android/$other?
[16:55] <HazRPG> moreati: how do ya mean?
[16:56] <brobostigon> the sync in android uses massive amounts of battery here. unusable unless i am plugged in.
[16:58] <HazRPG> moreati: might be worth changing how often it checks for sync stuff
[16:58] <moreati> HazRPG: as I understand it a blackberry phone on a supported network can receive events TCP/IP level events like 'new email', much like any other phone can receive an SMS. TO achieve the same Android and others resort to regular polling - or maintaining long lived TCP/IP connections. The former achieves 'push' without the battery drain of the latter
[16:59] <moreati> Basically a Blackberry server can ping a blackberry phone at some layer below IP, as I understand it
[16:59] <HazRPG> as far as I know, the the android doesn't maintain long lived TCP/IP connections - it just looks every x amount of time
[17:00] <HazRPG> just change it from the default 30 seconds to something longer
[17:00] <HazRPG> other than that, there is no real way to do it - since that is a special feature of the blackberry client/server
[17:00] <moreati> HazRPG: I'm happy enough with my battery life, I'm just curious really. Thanks though
[17:01] <HazRPG> not unless your willing to make your own set of services/apps
[17:02] <HazRPG> shouldn't be too hard to make, you could make a server application that checks as much as it wants to say gmail/etc, when something new is received set a flag to say 1 (0 = none, 1 = new stuff) and then make an application on your phone to just randomly "ping" the server to see if a new flag of stuff has been done
[17:03] <HazRPG> I mean the way the applications do it now is that they have to authenticate with the services in question, and then sync the data between the two
[17:03] <HazRPG> where-as you could make an app to just check if something new has happened, then set off the regular sync method on the phone when new stuff is actually available
[17:04] <HazRPG> but all depends on your coding skill - and I wouldn't be surprised if someone has/is working on something similar
[17:05] <moreati> HazRPG: my half-idea was a monitor somewhere online, web-to-sms gateway, and a daemon that intercepted particularly formatted messages on the phone to trigger a fetch by the app - no need for frequent polling
[17:09] <HazRPG> that could be do-able also I guess
[17:09] <HazRPG> google calendar can be used to send free sms's :P
[17:10] <HazRPG> I've seen a few apps that have exploited such
[17:11] <HazRPG> because you can set the calender to send text messages as reminders of events
[17:11] <HazRPG> but you can also put a URL for the calender to grab a list of events
[17:12] <HazRPG> I've seen people make server applications, which creates a list that google calender accepts, and likewise sends your phone a message - at which point they've make an application for their phone to see those messages, parse out the data and then delete the message so that it doesn't show up in your inbox
[17:12] <moreati> HazRPG: That's basically what I'd imagined, good to know it works :)
[17:13] <HazRPG> just a case of making one for your needs ;)
[17:15] <HazRPG> http://hackyourday.com/2007/12/03/using-google-calendar-to-send-free-sms/
[17:15] <HazRPG> haven't read it, but that's the "hack" I guess you could call it
[17:16] <HazRPG> (hack in the sense that it does what you want, and not in the illegal sense of hacking)
[17:19] <HazRPG> urgh... out of smokes T_T
[17:19] <HazRPG> brb
[17:19]  * brobostigon scp's HazRPG some of his.
[17:32] <HazRPG> what does scp stand for
[17:32] <brobostigon> secure copy. copy over ssh.
[17:33] <HazRPG> ah lol
[17:33] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it just means, no one inbetween can nick them.
[17:33] <HazRPG> :P
[17:33] <brobostigon> :)
[17:40] <brobostigon> new top gear, tonight, 8pm bbc2.
[17:43] <moreati> brobostigon: First ep was a bit meh, but we live in hope ;)
[17:44] <suprengr> tonight's show might be greatest sjow ........................................................in the wooorrld!
[17:48] <brobostigon> moreati: well, we will see,yes.
[17:49] <moreati> brobostigon: How hard can it be :)
[17:49] <brobostigon> moreati: not much, :)
[18:00] <HazRPG> is it possible to do something similar to CTRL+ALT+F1 on ubuntu/debian server?
[18:00] <brobostigon> screen or byobu
[18:03] <brobostigon> i prefer byobu, as it shows you loads of system details and stats, at the bottom ofyou terminal window.
[18:05] <mgdm> screen use to do that too?
[18:06] <brobostigon> mgdm: i never maanaged to get screen to do that. anyways, screen runs inside byobu nyways.
[18:06] <dutchie> byobu is just an interface to screenrc
[18:06] <brobostigon> yes, dutchie.
[18:06] <dutchie> there is a byobu command that can dump out a screenrc that you can use anywhere with just screen installed
[18:09] <brobostigon> i didnt know about that, ilike.
[18:55] <popey> HazRPG: just "su - youruser" to switch to your account then "sudo whatever"
[18:55] <popey> HazRPG: or su -c <youruser> sudo <blah>"
[19:00] <HazRPG> popey: Reason for my question was I was wondering if you can open up several terminals sorta speak on ubuntu server
[19:00] <popey> terminator?
[19:00] <popey> !info terminator
[19:07] <HazRPG> cool
[19:28] <HazRPG> :/ looking at videos of gnome-shell and unity... I don't think I like either...
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> there's still the classic panel
[19:28] <shauno> change is bad!
[19:28] <HazRPG> shauno: not all change is bad
[19:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: from when is the gnome-shell videos youhave watched? its changing fairly quuickly right now, so its ikely different from the videos youhave seen, now.
[19:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: the one I saw was of 2/12/2010 - he downloaded the latest version straight from git
[19:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it has changed abit since then.
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> 2/12 European or 2/12 US? :)
[19:32] <brobostigon> :)
[19:32] <HazRPG> ;) european ;p
[19:32] <HazRPG> this is -uk you know ;)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: sure, but the UK is part of Europe
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Sure TV says it's not, but it is.
[19:33] <moreati> MartijnVdS: I thought dd/mm was the European convention as well
[19:34] <HazRPG> okay... I was saying dd/mm/yyyy
[19:34] <HazRPG> personally I think the whole world should just switch to yyyy/mm/dd and rid the confusion >_<
[19:35] <shauno> hah, I use yyyymmdd
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> moreati: I wish the world would adopy yyyy-mm-dd
[19:35] <moreati> HazRPG: technically ISO 8601 uses dashes: so yyy-mm-dd
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> adopt
[19:35] <HazRPG> true
[19:36] <shauno> it's fantastic.  alphabetical order becomes chronological order, and everything starts to make sense by default
[19:36] <moreati> shauno: for the next 9989 years at least :)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> moreati: it even works with 5-digit years
[19:36] <moreati> damn, no 7989
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> moreati: or more
[19:37] <HazRPG> lol
[19:37] <moreati> not if we're writing strings using 4 digit years now
[19:37] <shauno> if all goes to plan, it won't be my problem by then :)
[19:37] <HazRPG> hah, exactly
[19:37] <HazRPG> xD
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> moreati: but if we write them in iso8601 format, they can be parsed and re-printed as yyyyy-mm-dd :)
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> moreati: if we can do it now, we can do it in 8000 years
[19:38] <HazRPG> I mean me... I'll be luck if I see 2100
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: with your smoking habit... :P
[19:38] <HazRPG> regardless of smoking habit xD
[19:39] <HazRPG> I'd be a 110 or so by then
[19:45] <HazRPG> holy crap: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/01/seventh-circuit-rules-dungeons-dragons-a-threat-to-prison-security/
[19:46] <HazRPG> Apparently D&D is "gang-like" activity - according the some american prison guards and a judge agreeing!
[19:48] <shauno> Apparently you've never seen dwarfs attack in groups, or you'd probably agree.
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: good thing I'm not going to the US any time soon
[19:50] <HazRPG> heh, true... but still
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Land of the "free"
[19:50] <HazRPG> best quote ever: I mean, let’s be clear, it’s not like Singer is a peaceful man. Singer is in jail on a life sentence forfirst-degree murder. He killed his sister’s boyfriend with a sledgehammer (and now you see why I suggested that Singer probably plays a Dwarf, warrior class). If he’s found an outlet for some of his more violent tendencies, isn’t that a good thing?
[19:52] <nucc1> i'm about to signup for a linode... anyone got a referral?
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> hmm. Amy Pond in HD :)
[19:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> yay promos for the "old" series :)
[19:58] <brobostigon> :)
[19:58] <brobostigon> ah.
[20:09] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how do I go about installing gnome-shell?
[20:10] <HazRPG> oh wait, heh sudo apt-get install gnome-shell worked xD
[20:10] <brobostigon> HazRPG: https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing use that ppa, the in repopackages are very outdated,
[20:11] <HazRPG> ah cool
[20:11] <brobostigon> :)
[20:12] <brobostigon> HazRPG: which ubuntu version are you using?
[20:12] <HazRPG> brobostigon: 10.10
[20:13] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i would compilefrom the gnome git then, its more upto date thanthe inrepopackages, thwyare dead old.
[20:13] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that ppa is natty 11.04 only,
[20:15] <brobostigon> https://webstats.gnome.org/GnomeShell#Building
[20:15] <HazRPG> brobostigon: would this not work: http://joneslee85.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/howto-install-gnome-shell-on-ubuntu-maverick-10-10/ ?
[20:15] <brobostigon> https://webstats.gnome.org/GnomeShell/DistributionPackages
[20:16] <brobostigon> let melook.
[20:16] <brobostigon> that isnt going to work anymore, asthe ppa it uses is the same asimentioned eralier, andis natty only now.
[20:17] <HazRPG> just typed it in a browser, and maverick is there: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ricotz/staging/ubuntu/dists/
[20:18] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ok, i havent tried from there.
[20:22] <brobostigon> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+packages
[20:22] <brobostigon> it looks like there arent any gnome-shell packages in that ppa.
[20:22] <HazRPG> wow, that epically failed in a virtual machine >_<
[20:23] <brobostigon> HazRPG: its opengl driven.
[20:24] <HazRPG> I can that in the terminal lol
[20:24] <HazRPG> failed to create OpenGL framebuffer
[20:24] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how do ya figure its not got the packages in there?
[20:24] <HazRPG> the 3 it shows, are the last ones updated
[20:25] <HazRPG> at the top it says "3 source packages", "17 binary packages"
[20:25] <HazRPG> the 3 you see are the source ones
[20:25] <brobostigon> HazRPG: maybe, but i cant see a wayof listing them,
[20:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=
[20:27] <brobostigon> gnome-shell version in maverick 2.31 .in debian experimental 2.91, so the ubuntu main repopackages are quite far behind.
[20:29] <brobostigon> no recent gnome-shell package, most recent, is clutter, which is part of gnome-shell.
[20:29] <HazRPG> oh
[20:29] <HazRPG> heh#
[20:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i would just use the packages inthe maverick repo, they are very old, but they will give you a part impression, unless you have natty or want to compile from gnome's git.
[20:31] <HazRPG> fair enough
[20:32] <HazRPG> might try out natty on my laptop
[20:32] <brobostigon> https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing
[20:33] <brobostigon> use the packages from there.
[20:33] <brobostigon> only realoption, other thncompiling from git.
[21:48] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:48] <popey> heya!
[21:48] <brobostigon> evening bigcalm
[21:49] <Pendulum> hiya bigcalm
[21:49] <bigcalm> What's happening?
[21:50] <popey> relaxing before work tomorrow
[21:50] <Pendulum> watching the US Figure Skating Championships (yes, really)
[21:50] <bigcalm> Hayley has the day off tomorrow, which means I get a tea fairy for the day :)
[21:50] <brobostigon> going over my route from my lastdriving lesson, readyfor tmrw's.
[21:53] <popey> :D
[21:53] <popey> nice
[21:53] <popey> I am really into chai at the moment
[21:54] <mgdm> I've not had that in a wee while
[21:54] <popey> i have to use two teabags because one isnt strong enough for me
[21:55] <mgdm> I did have a chai latte thing a while ago that was *really* nice
[21:55] <popey> yeah. i love the starbucks ones
[21:55] <AlanBell> hi all
[21:55] <popey> wifey bought me some twinings chai teabags, which are nice but not the same
[21:55] <popey> hi AlanBell
[21:55] <Pendulum> hi AlanBell
[21:55] <mgdm> popey: Oh yeah, I think I had the Whitards equivalent... they were OK, but not great
[21:55] <popey> aq recommended something else though, said it was more like the starbucks one
[21:56] <popey> "The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression."
[21:56] <popey> nice
[21:56] <popey> asda.com
[21:56] <popey> probably a dodgy proxy or sommat
[21:56] <mgdm> usually means an error got thrown and not caught in the output compression,w hen I see that
[21:56] <mgdm> but then I often control the bit that throws the error :)
[21:56] <popey> drinkemchai is the one aq recommended
[21:57] <popey> hehe
[21:57] <Pendulum> I feel like someone else claimed that about asda's site last week or the weekend before?
[21:57] <Pendulum> (in this channel, even)
[21:57] <DJones> asda.com works fine for me
[21:57] <popey> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgroceries.asda.com%2Fasda-estore%2Fproducts%2Fproducts.jsp%3FskuId%3D66397880%26departmentid%3D1214921923747%26aisleid%3D1214921926017%26startValue%3D100&rct=j&q=2344159%20asda&ei=vd5FTYbyE43i4AbguKw9&usg=AFQjCNFqSU6YSpzPC3KhOnT1hJVlIAgcFg&cad=rja
[21:57] <popey> erk, sorry
[21:57] <popey> that may or may not link to the item in question
[21:58]  * popey is watching Al Jazeera
[21:58] <popey> bloke was reading out tweets
[21:58] <mgdm> I wonder if I could do something with the steamer bit of my espresso machine to make that :)
[21:58] <bigcalm> Grr
[21:58] <popey> someone in Egypt was sharing out his open wifi and said "I'm sharing wifi with my bldg", the bloke read it out as "sharing wifi with my blog". plum
[21:58] <popey> mgdm: what machine do you have?
[21:58] <AlanBell> I am at her majesty's theatre
[21:59] <popey> in that london?
[21:59] <AlanBell> yes
[21:59] <mgdm> popey: it's a Delonghi BCO-231, i think (not sure on the model number)
[21:59] <mgdm> Oh, 261
[21:59] <AlanBell> where phantom is normally on
[22:00] <AlanBell> but for one night only...
[22:00] <AlanBell> my little girl \o/
[22:00] <popey> :D
[22:00] <popey> blimey, now?
[22:01] <AlanBell> just finished
[22:01] <popey> thats late
[22:01] <AlanBell> dance competition show thing
[22:01] <popey> how did she do?
[22:01] <AlanBell> great
[22:01] <popey> :)
[22:02] <AlanBell> but up against stage schools
[22:03] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I'm glad it went well :)
[22:04] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:04] <bigcalm> What the flip-flop is VirgrimMedia doing with my connection?
[22:04] <AlanBell> pen you would have enjoyed it
[22:04] <mgdm> flip-flop seems like a fair assessment
[22:04] <Pendulum> AlanBell: well, yeah, I'd assumed that :P
[22:04] <bigcalm> Flippity floppity foo
[22:05]  * bigcalm goes looking for a mouse so that mines may be crafted
[22:05] <AlanBell> incidentally swype typos pen to porn
[22:05] <Pendulum> Is that something that can be said in this channel? :P
[22:06] <AlanBell> it was a technical comment
[22:07]  * DJones blames AlanBell's fingers, swype for pen came up with pen for me
[22:07] <popey> bigcalm: seen ali1234's underground glass house?
[22:07] <bigcalm> Not yet
[22:08] <popey> its pretty
[22:12] <bigcalm> ...
[22:12] <gord> one of the problems with minecraft, someone can make something great underground but no one else will know its there ;)
[22:14] <bigcalm> ADSA long life batteries are anything but
[22:15] <gord> ha
[22:15] <gord> yes, they are not good
[22:17] <bigcalm> !ping
[22:22] <bigcalm> ffs
[22:27] <moreati>  bigcalm I highly recommend these, particularly for high drain usage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery
[22:29] <bigcalm> Gotta get me some LSD :D
[22:30] <bigcalm> I can't play minecraft on popey's server due to constant disconnects :(
[22:33] <popey> :(
[22:36] <gord> maaan i can't wait for an arm image for my ac100, firefox 4 is gonna run sweet on this thing
[22:38] <bigcalm> This is making me grumpy
[22:38] <bigcalm> And we lost in the hockey. 2 - 11
[22:40] <hamitron> :/
[22:40] <popey> yo hamitron !
[22:40] <popey> I think we need some pyramids near the Sphynx!
[22:40] <hamitron> near where?
[22:41] <hamitron> my plan is to make 4 volcano, then a pyrimid that dwarfs them
[22:41] <hamitron> if that fits in
[22:42] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/gmaps/ south east on that map along the train line from your place
[22:42] <popey> half way between your place and the south eastern edge of the map
[22:43] <hamitron> omg, you can see my place on the map
[22:43] <hamitron> haha
[22:43] <popey> :)
[22:44] <popey> whats that stack of earth north of your volcano?
[22:44] <popey> is that the start of a new one?
[22:44] <hamitron> yes
[22:44] <popey> nice
[22:44] <hamitron> I have put borders for another 3
[22:44] <hamitron> one, NW, one N and one NE
[22:45] <popey> i can see pumpkins directly north from your hosue
[22:46] <hamitron> see what? ;)
[22:46] <bigcalm> Remaining Lease Time
[22:46] <bigcalm> 0 days 00:53:52
[22:46] <bigcalm> Not good
[22:46] <bigcalm> What are vm playing at?
[22:46] <hamitron> will a pyrimid be good to the west of the sphinx?
[22:46]  * popey shrugs
[22:47] <hamitron> big area of sand
[22:47] <popey> yeah, I guess so :)
[22:47] <gord> you should really make pyramids out of gold blocks ;)
[22:47] <popey> gold inside
[22:47] <hamitron> and you can mine for me \o/
[22:47] <hamitron> ;)
[22:47] <hamitron> donate gold to your god
[22:47] <hamitron> ;/
[22:47] <popey> heh
[22:48] <hamitron> I was thinking a 51x51 grid for the base?
[22:49] <popey> is the map tall enough for that?
[22:49] <popey> given I guess it would be 51 high?
[22:49] <hamitron> 25 high
[22:49] <gord> depends how far above sea level you are
[22:49] <hamitron> I can make it 101x101 if you prefer ;)
[22:49] <popey> btw gord do you see bug 710356 ?
[22:50] <popey> I'd test how high you can go, and make it that big -1 so you can stand on it :)
[22:50] <gord> popey, not on a system that can run unity at the moment, can't test
[22:50] <popey> ok, nvm :)
[22:50] <popey> I'm sure someone will look at it at some point :)
[22:50] <gord> minecraft i think is 128 blocks of height, with water at 64
[22:51] <gord> we have people doing daily triaging of unity bugs, we see them all :)
[22:51] <popey> Excellent smithers.
[22:51] <hamitron> so i can fit 101x101 in
[22:51] <popey> thats gonna be immense
[22:51] <popey> wonder if we could ship sand to you via train from elsewhere :)
[22:52] <hamitron> sand!?!!?!
[22:52] <hamitron> sandstone ;)
[22:52] <popey> heh, yeah
[22:52] <hamitron> made to last time
[22:52] <gord> i think my sphere of glass was around 600+ sand all together, doesn't take long to mine sand if you do it right
[22:53] <hamitron> I think it should be 101x101
[22:53] <gord> well... if you wanted a sand pyramid you'd have to fill the insides too, thats gonna add up
[22:53] <hamitron> no point in doing a half assed job
[22:54] <dutchie> 1/6 * n * (n+1) * (2n+1)
[22:54] <popey> yeah, sand would fail
[22:54] <popey> as soon as someone dug underneath it
[22:54] <popey> collapse!
[22:54] <popey> alan@wopr:~/Games/Minecraft$ cat run_minecraft.sh
[22:54] <popey> java -Xmx4096M -Xms2048M -jar Minecraft.jar
[22:54] <hamitron> be ok if you lined it with gold and fire
[22:54] <popey> :S
[22:54] <hamitron> ;)
[22:54] <dutchie> how many blocks you need to do a trianglular pyramid
[22:54] <popey> \o/ maths
[22:54] <hamitron> fire!
[22:54] <hamitron> is all we need
[22:54] <gord> hey, i have a run_minecraft.sh script too -_-
[22:54] <hamitron> and a train
[22:55] <hamitron> ;)
[22:55]  * HazRPG wonders why they never made a super mario bros 2 movie :/
[22:55] <gord> because the first one was awful
[22:56] <HazRPG> I like it :/
[22:56] <HazRPG> in fact I was just watching it
[22:56] <moreati> It just didn't have any depth to the characters
[22:57] <HazRPG> come on, it was the 90's man
[22:57] <gord> hamitron, don't forget to bury all the people that helped make it with you in a tomb, to take to the afterlife
[22:58] <HazRPG> boom boom acka-lacka lacka boom, boom boom acka-lacka boom boom!
[23:00] <HazRPG> open the door, get on the floor, everybody walk the dinosaur!
[23:00]  * HazRPG dances
[23:03] <gord> speaking of terrible movies, i saw resident evil afterlife 3d last night. it is terrible.
[23:04] <moreati> Wow so may sequels they've switched to hex notation?
[23:05] <HazRPG> moreati: xD
[23:06] <hamitron> heading to the sand castle site soon
[23:06] <HazRPG> Final Fantasy E xD
[23:06] <HazRPG> that should totally be the next FF name
[23:06] <HazRPG> not 14 or XIV
[23:06] <HazRPG> FF xE
[23:07] <HazRPG> or 0E
[23:08] <HazRPG> hamitron: ...?
[23:08] <HazRPG> oh minecraft
[23:08] <HazRPG> heh I bought that earlier today
[23:08] <popey> :)
[23:08] <popey> feel free to join us on my server :)
[23:08] <HazRPG> popey: was on your server for a bit too
[23:08] <popey> oh cool :)
[23:08] <HazRPG> love the work you've done making it
[23:09] <popey> i do feel bad calling it a server
[23:09] <popey> I have done very little :)
[23:09] <HazRPG> how long did it take to make it?
[23:09]  * popey points to hamitron gord ali1234 and bigcalm 
[23:09] <HazRPG> yeah I noticed bigcalm's notice xD
[23:09] <HazRPG> "remember to close the door" or something
[23:09] <popey> :)
[23:11] <HazRPG> man, I hate early mornings :/
[23:11] <HazRPG> gotta get up at like 7-8am
[23:11] <HazRPG> I prefer 9am starts :/
[23:13] <gord> i'm not sure how people who don't own warm small cats to sit on their lap even survive the cold harsh winter
[23:13] <dutchie> what about large dog-shaped cats that like sitting on your lap anyway?
[23:16]  * bigcalm is adding pointless support pillars to the bridges
[23:17]  * HazRPG prefers dogs
[23:17]  * moreati prefers central heating
[23:18] <hamitron> heating? ;/
[23:18] <hamitron> mud hut built
[23:18] <hamitron> \o/
[23:19] <HazRPG> Argh! Was just about to install ubuntu on my netbook - but I forgot one thing
[23:20] <HazRPG> it doesn't have a CD drive xD
[23:20]  * HazRPG ratches around for that bootable pendrive I made a while back
[23:20] <HazRPG> is the netbook or regular version best for a netbook?
[23:20] <HazRPG> I mean obvious naming would say that the netbook would be
[23:21] <HazRPG> but not sure if I could deal with the 3D unity
[23:21] <HazRPG> normal one should work fine right?
[23:22] <popey> what netbook?
[23:23] <gord> the netbook and regular editions arn't fundamentally different, you can change a netbook edition install into a regular install very quickly. same for the other way around
[23:24] <gord> ie: you can try the netbook version, if your netbook can't handle it just apt-get remove ubuntu-netbook-default-settings (i think) and you should get a regular gnome-panel setup
[23:45] <HazRPG> gord: thanks, managed to find my 10.04 USB
[23:45] <HazRPG> http://www.loopsandpluto.com/products/Moss-T%252dShirt.html <== woot