[17:30] <Spicemaster> hi Alexia_Death 
[17:31] <Alexia_Death> hi
[21:09] <LLStarks> bryceh, i think synaptic is busted. did the new evdev or anything else in the new stack break stuff? touchpad clicks are broken. minimal pointer accuracy. jumping cursor.
[21:10] <LLStarks> usb mice seem to be fine
[21:39] <LLStarks> anyone?
[22:34] <RAOF> LLStarks: Oh, really?  BAh.
[22:35] <RAOF> LLStarks: Are you actually *using* synaptics, or evdev?
[22:36] <LLStarks> synaptics according to xorg logs
[22:41] <RAOF> So, there is a new synaptics, and it pretty drastically changed the acceleration infrastructure.
[22:42] <RAOF> Although, for the touchpads *I* tested on, it resulted in subjectively better behaviour.
[22:42] <RAOF> Touchpad clicks work for me; Xorg.0.log might possibly be useful.
[23:01] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/C5KV22fJ
[23:02] <LLStarks> synaptics is terrible right now. the point can't even stay stationary if your finger is.
[23:02] <LLStarks> *pointer
[23:04] <LLStarks> raof, is the previous version abi compatible with the new stack?
[23:04] <RAOF> That's because you appear to be using evdev, rather than synaptics.
[23:04] <LLStarks> oh, am i?
[23:04] <RAOF> Yes: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad: Applying InputClass "evdev touchpad catchall"
[23:04] <RAOF> Do you have the synaptics driver installed? :)
[23:05] <LLStarks> yes.
[23:05] <LLStarks> 1.3.99+git20110116.0e27ce3a-0ubuntu1
[23:05] <RAOF> Well, that's rather disappointing.
[23:06] <LLStarks> how do i force synaptics and why isn't it being used?
[23:06] <LLStarks> i don't mind using my mx510, but i'd rather not drag it everywhere
[23:06] <LLStarks> <_<
[23:07] <RAOF> The server doesn't appear to be even loading the synaptics module.
[23:07] <RAOF> Can you pastebin the contents of /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d ?
[23:08] <LLStarks> eric@kingfisher:/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d$ dir
[23:08] <LLStarks> 10-evdev.conf	   50-vmmouse.conf	     60-magictrackpad.conf
[23:08] <LLStarks> 50-synaptics.conf  51-synaptics-quirks.conf
[23:09] <LLStarks> i didn't even know evdev were a fallback for touchpads
[23:09] <LLStarks> i thought they used -mouse
[23:10] <LLStarks> does alps use evdev?
[23:10] <RAOF> No.
[23:10] <RAOF> Touchpads use synaptics, everything else* uses evdev
[23:10] <RAOF> * Barring special things like wacom.
[23:10] <LLStarks> ah
[23:12] <RAOF> Well, and the magic trackpad, which gets evdev because that's where gesture support is.
[23:16] <LLStarks> x gesture support is so confusing. there's utouch and then there's the gesture extension.
[23:16] <LLStarks> i dun get it
[23:16] <RAOF> Utouch is the userspace component.
[23:16] <RAOF> The gesture extension is a (temporary, it turns out) server-side support for it.
[23:23] <LLStarks> i see
[23:24] <LLStarks> any insight on the evdev-over-synaptics?
[23:25] <RAOF> Not really.
[23:26] <RAOF> Perhaps the udev log would be helpful?
[23:26] <RAOF> Because synaptics *should* be picking up your touchpad as a touchpad.
[23:26] <LLStarks> what file?
[23:29] <RAOF> udevadm --query=all --name /dev/input/event8
[23:30] <LLStarks> can't query all
[23:32] <LLStarks> grr. all options are unrecognized.
[23:32] <RAOF> Does “udevadm --query=all --name=/dev/input/event8” work?
[23:32] <RAOF> Bah! “udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/input/event8” work?
[23:41] <LLStarks> yar
[23:41] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/hA8G3jmR
[23:44] <RAOF> And can you pastebin /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf ?
[23:45] <LLStarks> http://pastebin.com/yndbtBwS
[23:46] <RAOF> Ok.  I'm now officially confused.
[23:47] <RAOF> I don't see why that shouldn't match your touchpad.