[08:56] <Kilos> morning all
[09:30] <Morganvd> morning
[09:30] <Tonberry> hi
[09:31] <Kilos> hi Morganvd Tonberry 
[10:23] <Tonberry> is it possible to compile a .deb for ubuntu 10.04 from a 10.10 box?
[10:25] <tumbleweed> Tonberry: yes. Some things (i.e. perl, php, some python) will build the same debs on 10.04 and 10.10. Otherwise you can use something like pbuilder to create a 10.04 chroot and build things in it.
[10:26] <Tonberry> i see
[10:26] <tumbleweed> oh, and obviously you could use a launchpad PPA to build it for 10.04 for you.
[16:54] <bmg505> Hello, trying to get used to this after 16+ years of slackware is quite an experience
[16:55] <superfly> hi bmg505
[16:58] <drubin> hi and welcome bmg505 
[17:01] <Symmetria> ok
[17:01] <Symmetria> mirror.ac.za is back online completely reinstalled 
[17:01] <Symmetria> and working 100% 
[17:01] <Symmetria> its tcp stack has been properly optimized, the 10G nic seems a lot happier, and the large file systems are up and running 
[17:24] <nlsthzn> Hey all :)
[17:32] <Symmetria> [19:27] <@ytti> why the egyptians got angry now?
[17:32] <Symmetria> [19:27] <@Lysis> because the streets are too crowded without internet
[17:32] <Symmetria> [19:27] <@Lysis> they couldn'T walk like an egyptian anymore
[17:34] <nlsthzn> Symmetria, :/ hope it doesn't get to ugly there
[17:34] <Symmetria> nlsthzn heh
[17:34] <Symmetria> 2 late for that
[17:34] <Symmetria> the army was refusing to help, so the latest news is that now the airforce is flying fighter jets low over the crowds to try scare em away
[17:34] <Symmetria> crowd is ignoring the jets as well
[17:35] <Symmetria> and I mean, wtf they gonna do with the jets, drop some missiles on the crowd? yeah right 
[17:35] <nlsthzn> Symmetria: :( sad when ppl have to revert to this
[18:16] <superfly> nlsthzn: I think the word you are looking for is "resort", not "revert" ;-)
[18:17] <nlsthzn> superfly: yes, thanks ;)
[18:27] <inetpro> eish
[18:29] <nlsthzn> hi inetpro, why the eish?
[18:30] <inetpro> nlsthzn: sad that they have to resort to fighter jets in egypt now
[18:30] <nlsthzn> yup... 
[18:32] <inetpro> Maaz: Symmetria ++ [ for looking after mirror.ac.za ]
[18:33] <inetpro> Symmetria: thanks for all your efforts if that
[18:33] <inetpro> s/if/with/
[18:37] <drubin> Symmetria: Now you need to explain to WebAfrica they need to keep theirs running :)
[18:41] <Symmetria> drubin I told webafrica not to run the damn thing in the first place
[18:41] <Symmetria> since its kinda pointless
[18:42] <drubin> Symmetria: just convince them to add mirror.ac.za to their freezone
[18:42] <Symmetria> they have a GigE connection to us, which is barely used above 40megabit, they dont have the proper hardware or the disk space to run a real mirror, nor do they have the resources to keep it properly synched 
[18:42] <Symmetria> drubin thats what I told em all along
[18:42] <drubin> Symmetria: Please try again :)
[18:42] <Symmetria> heh inetpro did ya see my pretty disk upgrade in mirror.ac.za?
[18:43] <inetpro> Symmetria: I noticed you talking about it, how much you having now?
[18:43] <Symmetria> ./dev/sdb3             1.3T  227G  974G  19% /diskspace
[18:43] <Symmetria> ./dev/sda              6.8T  4.5T  2.2T  68% /diskspace2
[18:43] <Symmetria> ./dev/sdc               13T   13T  243G  99% /diskspace3
[18:43] <Symmetria> ./dev/sdd               26T  282G   26T   2% /diskspace4
[18:44] <inetpro> yikes
[18:44] <Symmetria> heh, diskspace4 is the new one
[18:44] <Symmetria> we did that in preperation for sourceforge which we're now just waiting for sourceforge on
[18:44] <inetpro> Symmetria: very nice
[18:44] <nlsthzn> Thats a lot of bytes oO
[18:44] <Symmetria> apparently they woulda already given us the info to get it started if they hadnt had the security shit htey had in the last few days
[18:45] <inetpro> Symmetria: you're running out of space on disk 3 :-)
[18:45] <Symmetria> inetpro yeah its busy transferring 7 terabytes onto /diskspace4
[18:45] <Symmetria> but that takes forever :)
[18:46] <Symmetria> heh, inetpro we also did something about the synch speeds as well to sort out sync isues
[18:46] <Symmetria> will show u something in a second
[18:46] <bmg505> worst is old Bob is getting ideas :(
[18:46]  * inetpro wonders what is the fastest way of transferring between partitions
[18:47] <inetpro> s/fastest way/fastest method/
[18:48] <bmg505> mount both with tar maybe? tar -cf - * |(cd /target; tar -cpf - --same-owner)
[18:49] <bmg505> or old dd
[18:49] <Symmetria> root@jhb:/diskspace4# wget -4 -O /dev/null ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/5.0.8/amd64/iso-cd/debian-508-amd64-CD-23.iso
[18:49] <Symmetria> --2011-01-30 20:47:26--  ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/5.0.8/amd64/iso-cd/debian-508-amd64-CD-23.iso
[18:49] <Symmetria>            => `/dev/null'
[18:49] <Symmetria> Length: 657008640 (627M) (unauthoritative)
[18:49] <Symmetria> 100%[[18:49] <Symmetria> 2011-01-30 20:48:06 (16.8 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [657008640]
[18:49] <Symmetria> heh
[18:49] <Symmetria> thats an international transfer 
[18:49] <Symmetria> and actually, was running a LOT faster earlier, I think belnet must be synching right now 
[18:50] <Symmetria> we optimized to the point where using multiple parallel sessions we can sync 4.5gigs of data from london in 56 seconds 
[18:50] <bmg505> and here we are measuring ourselfs at bits/day :)
[18:50] <inetpro> Symmetria: looks slow to me based on previous figures from you
[18:50] <inetpro> :-
[18:50] <inetpro> )
[18:50] <Symmetria> inetpro yeah, earlier in the day I was doing 85MBytes/second 
[18:50] <Symmetria> ooops
[18:50] <Symmetria> 85Mbit/second
[18:50] <Symmetria> :P which I think was pretty much capping out belnet's lan card
[18:52] <inetpro> Symmetria: I'm sure you must be getting grey by now with all your available bandwidth while seeing everyone else being the bottleneck
[18:52]  * Symmetria checks it from london again to make sure nothing broke
[18:52] <Symmetria> heh inetpro its frustrating actually when we sit with this much bandwidth and there are times when you need to transfer stuff to other people in country
[18:52] <Symmetria> or get stuff from them
[18:53] <Symmetria> and you gotta sit and watch it crawl cause of the crap bandwidth at other isps
[18:54] <Symmetria> heh
[18:54] <Symmetria> [  3] 30.0-60.0 sec  2.54 GBytes    728 Mbits/sec
[18:54] <Symmetria> thats london -> south africa
[18:54] <Symmetria> in 30 seconds 
[18:54] <nlsthzn> oO
[18:54] <inetpro> Symmetria: sounds like in the old days around 1995 when we were on 64kbps lines while everyone else was on 9600bps
[18:55] <nlsthzn> 33.6kbps modems rocked
[18:55] <Symmetria> wierd thing is, linux actually sometimes performs better with high speed latency stuff if the window size is actually SMALLER
[18:56] <Symmetria> (which I suspect is because of pull back on the odd dropped frame)
[18:57] <inetpro> nlsthzn: heh, I remember synchronising our financial system from data all over the country with a 2400bps modem
[18:58] <Symmetria> heh I remeber doing FSP on 64kbit lines
[18:58] <inetpro> was a lot of fun
[18:58] <Symmetria> :P it used to take an age to download a game that was a 1.4meg disk big
[18:58] <Symmetria> and then some bastard came out with monkey island that was like, super huge 
[18:58] <Symmetria> and it took us a week and a half to download it
[19:00] <Symmetria> heh
[19:01] <Symmetria> iperf keeps dying on me
[19:01] <Symmetria> the moment it gets really fast
[19:03] <Symmetria> don't one of you feel like debugging iperf fo rme
[19:03] <Symmetria> since its been so long since I coded anything I dont think I can remeber any of my debugging skills
[19:11] <inetpro> Symmetria: do you get errors?
[19:14] <Symmetria> inetpro heh no
[19:14] <Symmetria> it just locks up 
[19:14] <Symmetria> the moment you start using real big window sizes
[19:14] <Symmetria> and the data transfer speeds get high
[19:14] <Symmetria> then you get a coupla lines of b.s output
[19:15] <Symmetria> [  3] 60.0-75.0 sec  1.75 GBytes  1.00 Gbits/sec
[19:15] <Symmetria> [  3] 75.0-90.0 sec  1.41 GBytes    810 Mbits/sec
[19:15] <Symmetria> [  3] 90.0-105.0 sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec
[19:15] <Symmetria> [  3] 105.0-120.0 sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec
[19:15] <Symmetria> [  3] 120.0-135.0 sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec
[19:15] <Symmetria> ^^ and thats a load of crap :)
[19:16] <Symmetria> oh well, will figure it out in the morning
[19:16] <Symmetria> am going to get some sleep :)
[19:18] <bmg505> probably pointer problem, or 64k segment that wraps
[19:23] <inetpro> good night Symmetria
[21:12] <Symmetria> hrm
[21:12] <Symmetria> Im trying to figure out what exactly they are trying to do with bgp now
[21:12] <Symmetria> some how putting pki into the routing tables