[00:12] <mahmood> hello
[00:12] <mahmood> no i install kubuntu but my sound card do not work
[00:13] <james147> mahmood: run alsamixer in a terminal and make sure non of the channels are muted
[00:16] <mahmood> thanks james you right
[00:16] <mahmood> i have 512 mb graphic card how can i test that its work properly on my kubuntu?
[00:17] <james147> "glxgears" is a good test to see if its working
[00:27] <GeekMan> how do i get help documentation for kmail
[00:28] <GeekMan> its not avalible
[01:01] <eternal> stupid people
[01:10] <Space_Man> eternal: do you have any evidence?
[01:11] <eternal> you never proved otherwise
[01:12] <bazhang> eternal, did you have a kubuntu support question?
[01:12] <eternal> you know what is my question
[01:12] <bazhang> no?
[01:13] <eternal> what do you think aboiut my idea?
[01:13] <bazhang> eternal, related to kde/kubuntu ?
[01:13] <eternal> i will enter more channels if you won't change your attitude
[01:14] <bazhang> eternal, please discuss with me in PM
[01:14] <eternal> don't tell me please stupid
[01:14] <eternal> avihay, i know you are stupid
[01:14] <Daskreech> Who is this joker?
[01:15] <eternal> stupid
[01:15] <Daskreech> !coc | eternal
[01:18] <eternal> IcarianHeights, go away. ubuntu is a shit
[01:18] <avihay> eternal: sorry, I'm probably too stupid to be able to comprehend your idea from what you wrote, so I think nothing of it.
[01:19] <Daskreech> avihay: :-)
[01:19] <eternal> you never think of anything good. this is the problem
[01:21] <Guest52915> hi, can't open kubuntu additional drivers anymore
[01:21] <Guest52915> anyone knows why?
[01:21] <bazhang> Guest52915, using jockey-kde ?
[01:21] <Guest52915> kubuntu 10.10
[01:21] <bazhang> !find jockey-kde
[01:21] <james147> Guest52915: try launching jockey-kde from a terminal and see what it says
[01:21] <Guest52915> ok
[01:22] <Guest52915> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:22] <Guest52915>   File "/usr/bin/jockey-kde", line 26, in <module>
[01:22] <Guest52915>     from PyQt4.QtCore import QTimer, QSize, QStringList, SIGNAL
[01:22] <Guest52915> RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.QtCore module requires API v7.1
[01:22] <FloodBotK3> Guest52915: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:22] <Guest52915> james147
[01:24] <james147> Guest52915: running waht kde version?
[01:24] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:24] <james147> eternal: please stop
[01:26] <Guest52915> kde 4.5.1 james147
[01:27] <james147> Guest52915: hmm, that error sounds like a version missmatch to me ^^ i suggest you make sure everything is fully uptodate by running "sudo apt-get update&& sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:27] <Guest52915> ok
[01:28] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:28] <Guest52915> im runing updates now
[01:28] <Guest52915> eternal, are you son of bill gates or something?
[01:28] <james147> Guest52915: just a troll, ignore him
[01:28] <eternal> no i'm just not stupid
[01:28] <james147> !ops
[01:29] <Guest52915> which distro did u like then eternal?
[01:29] <Guest52915> or you are window$ user
[01:29] <eternal> i'm not answering that until you answer me
[01:30] <Guest52915> so what was your answer
[01:37] <Daskreech> Back to your previous support discussion
[01:37] <txwikinger> everything ok here now, or still need of ops help?
[01:38] <james147> txwikinger: hope not ^^ sorry for the bother, didnt want it to escalate
[01:38] <txwikinger> james147: no problem.
[01:38] <claydoh> @comment 36997 language, trolling?
[01:39] <claydoh> oops
[01:42] <Daskreech> txwikinger: Just a child with a mouth
[01:43] <james147> Thanks claydoh  :) sorry for bothering you
[01:43] <francisco> thnx james 147, it works again
[01:44] <claydoh> james147: no problem
[01:44] <Guest98924> and upgrade to kde 4.6
[01:44] <Guest98924> looks great
[01:46] <Daskreech> :-)
[01:46] <Daskreech> I'm not sure looks better is a super compelling reason to upgrade
[01:46] <Daskreech> Though it was for Gnucash
[01:46] <Daskreech> Mostly cause Gnucash 1 was horribly ugly
[01:47] <Guest98924> Daskreech I just auto updated kubuntu 10.10 & installed kde 4.6
[01:48] <james147> Guest98924: well, an upgrade should install 4.6... unless you had the backports enabled..
[01:49] <Daskreech> Guest98924: Oh it's in the normal updates now?
[01:49] <Guest98924> I think
[01:49] <Guest98924> agh
[01:49] <Guest98924> kmess never works
[01:50] <Guest98924> any fix for that? or better messenger for kde?
[01:50] <james147> Guest98924: you can try kopete.... not sure if its any better though... there is also amsn or pidgin (its gtk though)
[01:51] <Guest98924> kopete doesn't connect as hide
[01:51] <Guest98924> i don't like for that
[01:55] <james147> gigasoft: connect as hide?
[01:55] <james147> gigasoft: sorry, tab fail
[01:55] <gigasoft> ok\
[01:55] <gigasoft> ok
[01:58] <tg__> I have a question - how do I get my KDE application fonts larger.  My X display is 1600x1200, and the fonts are too small.
[02:00] <Daskreech> tg__: press alt+F2 -> fonts -> enter
[02:00] <claydoh> tg__: System Settings >> application appearance >> fonts
[02:00] <claydoh> dang Daskreechis faaast :)
[02:00] <Daskreech> Or the long way that claydoh said :)
[02:00] <pedro> HI
[02:01] <Daskreech> !hi
[02:01] <Daskreech> I'm really upset they  took that out
[02:01] <claydoh> krunner ftw!
[02:01] <Daskreech> pedro: Hi welcome to #kubuntu
[02:01] <pedro> brasil
[02:02] <Daskreech> !br
[02:07] <tg__> ==
[02:21] <t-rask> I'm running KDE 4.6 on Ubuntu 10.10, and my Plasma notifaction area keeps filling itself up with empty "Finished" tasks, what are these and how do I make them stop?
[02:22] <Daskreech> t-rask: hmm? do you initiate any copies?
[02:22] <t-rask> Daskreech: no, I basically don't have anything going on right now.
[02:23] <t-rask> It happened earlier, so I rebooted to see if it was something like that that got locked up, but it's doing it again after I rebooted.
[02:23] <Daskreech> and what happens? You get what looks like a finished transfer?
[02:23] <t-rask> I can post a screenshot if you like.
[02:23] <Daskreech> please
[02:23] <t-rask> One moment.
[02:24] <t-rask> http://ompldr.org/vNzgxeg/snapshot1.png sorry, it's full-size
[02:25] <t-rask> The number of them keeps jumping around (I assume some clear after a set amount of time, but they just keep popping up)
[02:27] <tog000> hello, im having a very weird bug running 10.10 and kde 4.6: sometimes i wont be able to click things, and if i right click that same point, i would get the context menu of a different application, like it it was running on top of the current one, but invisible. Sometimes switching desktops and ant-tabbing fixes it for a few clicks, but it always comes back to the same spot. It was a challenge to log in here just by using the
[02:27] <tog000> keyboard and stuff... anybody have any ideas? Thank you!
[02:28] <t-rask> Daskreech: plasma just crashed and after it restarted itself it hasn't done it yet..
[02:29] <t-rask> I also disabled the Amarok system notifications, to see if that was causing the issue.
[02:29] <tog000> t-rask: you could try to disable file transfer notifications on the "notification settings" and see if the regular window that will pop up gives more info of what program is creating those
[02:29] <Daskreech> t-rask: the number on the notification area?
[02:30] <Daskreech> tog000: Which window manager?
[02:30] <tog000> Darskreech: kwin
[02:32] <tog000> Daskreech: i mispelled your nick, im using kwin
[02:33] <sidek> Can anyone point me to a guide for fixing GRUB from within a USB install of Kubuntu? I just reinstalled Kubuntu and it seems like GRUB was screwed up majorly- it doesn't even throw an error.
[02:34] <Daskreech> tog000: try kquitapp kwin && kwin --replace
[02:34] <Daskreech> !grub
[02:34] <sidek> thanks
[02:34] <Daskreech> unless you have a new version of Kubuntu then it's !grub2
[02:34] <sidek> !grub2
[02:34] <Daskreech> !grub2
[02:34] <Daskreech> >_>
[02:35] <tog000> Daskreech: done, but problem persists, cant click to focus window, must alt-tab to get windows into focus, but even then clicks are being done in original app, altough app is "behind" the current one
[02:36] <sidek> when it says 'boot from a live CD', a USB will do too, right? 'Cause I don't really have any way to get to a live CD....
[02:36] <t-rask> tog000: I remember having a similar issue before.. Sadly, I don't remember how I resolved it >_<
[02:36] <tog000> sidek: yes, USB will do
[02:37] <tog000> t-rask: too bad... its driving me nuts, and i dont even know how to reproduce it
[02:37] <tog000> t-rask: it just happens out of the blue...!
[02:37] <t-rask> Daskreech: it just randomly started happening again, the notification area >_<
[02:38] <tog000> t-rask: i was having the same problem you had in the notification area haha XD i THINK it was amaroks last upgrade. after reboot it all worked normally
[02:38] <Daskreech> tog000: I'm with t-rask I remember this happening like 5 releases ago but I dont remember what the fix was
[02:38] <Daskreech> sidek: Yes
[02:38] <t-rask> tog000: have you fully rebooted?
[02:38] <Daskreech> tog000: Ask in #kwin ?
[02:38] <tog000> t-rask: yes, rebooted many times, and everything is OK for a while until it happens
[02:38] <tog000> Daskreech: i'll head over there next, thanks
[02:39] <t-rask> I only remember having the issue once, just the other day I when I fully installed Kubuntu 10.10. Not sure what caused it but it hasn't happened since.
[02:39] <no4> how do i add repositiores so i can get a precompiled package for kdeveloper
[02:40] <tog000> t-rask: i remember having that same problem that you describe, i found out it was creating tons of empty files in /tmp/kde-[username]/plasma-desktop*******
[02:40] <tog000> t-rask: but after a few reboots it was gone
[02:40] <t-rask> tog000: whoofta, yeah, that folder is bursting!
[02:40] <t-rask> Hopefully after a few it will be gone for me too. Do you still use Amarok for music playing?
[02:41] <tog000> t-rask: it started happening about an amarok upgrade sometime yesterday i think
[02:41] <tog000> t-rask: im using it right now without any problem
[02:41] <t-rask> Hm, alright, I'll reboot and hope for the best, thanks!
[02:42] <tog000> t-rask: hope that does it :D
[02:43] <tog000> no4: if you search for kdevelop in kpackagekit you should get what youre searching for
[02:49] <Daskreech> no4: Can you open kpackagekit?
[02:56] <sidek> Alright, doing what the guide linked asked me to do made GRUB throw this error:
[02:56] <sidek> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR.  This is a BAD idea..
[02:56] <sidek> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[02:56] <sidek> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: if you really want blocklists, use --force.
[02:56] <FloodBotK3> sidek: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:57] <sidek> Is there anything I'm doing wrong?
[02:59] <tog000> sidek: can you paste at paste.ubuntu.com the result of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" without the quotes
[03:01] <sidek> tog000: my MBR is on /dev/sdb, but do you want /dev/sda too?
[03:01] <tog000> sidek: if you are 100% possitive that its on sdb then forget about it
[03:02] <tog000> sidek: when you use grub you should leave the paths at /dev/sda or /dev/sdb never /dev/sda1 for instance
[03:02] <sidek> .....that would be my error, then
[03:03] <darthanubis> k3b can't find normalize-audio
[03:03] <sidek> thanks, tog000
[03:03] <tog000> sidek: try just giving it the whole drive (sdb), not the partition and see what happens
[03:03] <darthanubis> even though it is installed
[03:04] <sidek> tog000 : it worked.
[03:04] <sidek> thanks again, rebooting now.
[03:04] <tog000> sidek: im glad :D and youre welcome!
[03:04] <darthanubis> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=549221
[03:05] <tog000> darthanubis: do you have the command "normalize-audio"?
[03:06] <darthanubis> of course
[03:06] <darthanubis> [22:03] <darthanubis> even though it is installed
[03:09] <tog000> darthanubis: can you run a whereis normalize-audio
[03:09] <darthanubis> why? I know where it is
[03:09] <darthanubis> k3b does not
[03:09] <darthanubis> it is a bug that does not seem ot be fixed in kubuntu yet
[03:10] <darthanubis> The fix is to add this line to the normalize detection, to force it to look for
[03:10] <darthanubis> normalize and not normalize-audio:
[03:10] <darthanubis> setVersionIdentifier( QLatin1String( "normalize" ) );
[03:10] <tog000> darthanubis: why? simple, you could symlink the one you have to the location where k3b expects it to be
[03:10] <darthanubis> but I can't find a bug report in kubuntu for it
[03:10] <darthanubis> k3b expects it to be where it is
[03:10] <darthanubis> lol
[03:11] <tog000> huh
[03:11] <tog000> then fill a report!
[03:11] <darthanubis> and I would not have to symlink it when I can tell k3b where to look for it from within k3b
[03:11] <darthanubis> kubuntu is supposed to follow upstream
[03:11] <darthanubis> there already is a bug report upstream
[03:12] <darthanubis> anyone know about this or have come across this problem?
[03:15] <se3n> sorry for bother you guys... is there some Kde 4.6 users ?
[03:15] <Daskreech> I are a KDE 4.6 user
[03:15] <darthanubis> yes
[03:15] <se3n> how is it :D
[03:16] <darthanubis> plasma is still laggy with nvidia card
[03:16] <se3n> i have some bug i want to ask is this usuall for beta version
[03:16] <darthanubis> k3b still can't find normalize-audio
[03:16] <se3n> yea i'm with nvidia too
[03:16] <darthanubis> 4.6 is not in beta any longer
[03:17] <se3n> yea i saw in the kde site and add the ppa of kde but i don't what happen i'm now with ubuntu natty not maverick...
[03:18] <darthanubis> se3n: well you messed that up
[03:18] <darthanubis> don't know how you upgraded all the way to natty by just adding the kubuntu-backport or beta ppa
[03:18] <se3n> yea i think so...
[03:18] <darthanubis> think
[03:18] <darthanubis> you need to know first
[03:19] <se3n> when i want to close some application the application crash seconds after close
[03:19] <se3n> and ask me to report bug
[03:19] <se3n> that happen with almost every app
[03:20] <se3n> i can't restart correctly
[03:20] <se3n> :D
[03:23] <se3n> its says "Signal: Segmentation fault (11)" after close allmost every app... and when i want to reboot the half of apps can't quit and the only way i can restart is to swithc to other init and type "reboot"
[03:24] <tog000> se3n: ive done that before too and its very hard if not impossible to rollback the version after a dist-upgrade... maybe there is a way, i dont know. I just backed up /home and reinstalled
[03:26] <se3n> i though this is a "ppa" if something get wrong i can still purge it but the kde 4.6 installation freeze at the half of packeges and when i look at the softwere source's they were allready of natty.... all of them, also the kde 4.6 ppa i added was gone
[03:27] <se3n> so there is no way to back :D
[03:28] <se3n> i still have no serios problems except this with quiting apps
[03:28] <se3n> i just wanted to ask is there someone with similar problem
[03:28] <se3n> Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[03:37] <ZoRBaS> must say I'm lovin ubuntu
[03:42] <Daskreech> se3n: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[03:42] <Daskreech> but I think that you are on the wrong repo
[03:43] <darthanubis> pressing the kmix icon takes seconds before the acutal interface appears
[03:43] <darthanubis> where is all this lag coming from?
[03:44] <valorie> se3n: I have 4.6 and am NOT running natty
[03:44] <se3n> valorie strange right...
[03:45] <valorie> I've run an alpha before, however
[03:45] <se3n> i don't know what happen
[03:45] <se3n> its just happen :D
[03:45] <valorie> and though it was a bit unstable, it generally worked
[03:45] <valorie> upgrade and dist-upgrade are different
[03:46] <valorie> you might read up on natty testing, and make lemonade out of your lemon
[03:46] <valorie> :-)
[03:46] <se3n> :D
[03:46] <valorie> start filing bugs, and working with the devels
[03:46] <valorie> all very nice people
[03:46] <se3n> allways see a good side
[03:46] <se3n> i thought that too
[03:46] <valorie> that's why I ran the alpha -- to do just that
[03:47] <se3n> i have to reg in kubuntu bugs and reporting
[03:47] <valorie> helps you see each crash in a bit different light
[03:47] <valorie> :-)
[03:47] <valorie> true, but only once
[03:47] <se3n> and about my proble i whink its only happen when i'm enable kwin effects
[03:47] <valorie> and b.k.o isn't SO bad once you get used to it
[03:47] <valorie> launchpad is friendly too, when it's working
[03:48] <se3n> i will keep it disabled for now
[03:48] <valorie> ok, but the kwin people want bugs filed also
[03:48] <valorie> and plasma people
[03:48] <se3n> but everythink its laggu :D
[03:48] <se3n> my video is on board....
[03:48] <se3n> grr...
[03:49] <se3n> i don't know when i will buy a good video card :D
[03:49] <valorie> I have a laptop, so you have my sympathy
[03:49] <valorie> awful gcard
[03:49] <valorie> oh, well
[03:50] <se3n> i have desktop and integrated card what a irony
[03:51] <se3n> my video is geforce 6100 on board my brother have a laptop with intel i915 integrated and his linux is faster then my :( :D
[03:52] <se3n> feeling so good to chat in irc with linux users :D
[03:52] <valorie> yeah, my son bought an alienware lappy to play WoW
[03:53] <valorie> fastest computer he's ever had
[03:53] <valorie> but the graphics card burned out or something, which sucks
[03:53] <se3n> sorry to hear
[03:53] <valorie> after spending all that money
[03:53] <se3n> from where you come from
[03:53] <valorie> so at least I have one, even if it sucks
[03:54]  * valorie lives south of Seattle Washington, in the US
[03:54] <valorie> oops, join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:55] <valorie> this is support only
[03:56] <se3n> yea my country sucks... geforce 8 series are more then 100lv (about 50 dolars) and the salary of a mouth is 220 lv i will buy a card when i get the pension :D
[03:57] <se3n> but i'm addicted to linux since i buy a disc of ubuntu 4 :P
[03:59] <valorie> I've been using linux since Mandrake, which no longer exists as such
[04:00] <valorie> and Kubuntu since.... Dapper Drake, i think
[04:00] <valorie> not sure
[04:01] <se3n> i'm not so new to ubuntu but i'm new in KDE... and i think is great
[04:01] <se3n> did you saw gnome 3
[04:02] <se3n> gnome 3 will be hard to work for the novices
[04:07] <Daskreech> se3n: Everything new is hard to work
[04:07] <Daskreech> valorie: Wait what? Mandrake doesn't exist?
[04:08] <Fanfare> Someone awake? to reread my draft for a brainstorming idea?
[04:08] <Fanfare> http://paste.kde.org/3764/
[04:10] <se3n> awake here :D
[04:11] <valorie> now it's mandriva
[04:11] <valorie> and something else since it split
[04:11] <valorie> mangeia? something like that
[04:12] <valorie> fanfare: how about using opendesktop.org for this?
[04:13] <valorie> and yes, I've always looked at Gnome too, but I just can't seem to use it without becoming frustrated
[04:14] <Fanfare> valorie: sure would be a good place... but also a hge amount of work... i prefere frank to work on owncloud though
[04:14] <valorie> i can't set things up as I want them in Gnome
[04:14] <Daskreech> valorie: Right of course it is :)
[04:15] <valorie> Fanfare: ok, but then you are setting up infrastructure all over again
[04:15] <valorie> that said, are you thinking of this for a GSoC project?
[04:16] <Daskreech> Fanfare: not sure I get the purpose of the project
[04:16] <se3n> yea i can too but the default settings are little different for new guys... i think the most new guys will use Kde in the future.... just like me :D
[04:17] <Fanfare> valorie: first this is an idea... im no dev... but i'd love to see this FLOSS and opendesktop is closed source...
[04:17] <valorie> point taken
[04:17] <valorie> and that's sort of ironic
[04:18] <Daskreech> valorie: :)
[04:18] <Fanfare> valorie: well, sort of...
[04:18] <Daskreech> Given the name
[04:18] <valorie> exactly
[04:18] <Fanfare> its a closedsource plattform dealing with opensource...
[04:19] <valorie> right
[04:19] <Fanfare> so u guys think its worth posting?
[04:20] <valorie> I think you need to think a bit more
[04:21] <valorie> right now it's a bit all over the map
[04:21] <Fanfare> valorie: ok, u mean more specific usecases and more detailed server part?
[04:22] <valorie> yes
[04:29] <se3n> hey i want to ask something that is not entirly about linux... is there somebody who play "pokerTH"
[04:29] <valorie> se3n: this is a support channel
[04:30] <valorie> use #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
[04:30] <se3n> where is that :D
[04:31] <se3n> ok can i ask you on private...
[04:31] <valorie> in konversation, I just click that channel name in my statement
[04:31] <se3n> however its stupit
[04:31] <valorie> or you can do: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:31] <se3n> forget
[04:32] <valorie> i can verify that it is an actual channel, since I'm in it
[04:32] <se3n> ок и'м ис #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:32] <se3n> ok i'm in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:45] <olskolirc> anyone got a good program for online radio streams and genres please?  please don't say amarock
[04:45] <ralph__> olskolirc: vlc
[04:46] <olskolirc> i meant a stand alone radio program where it has all shoutcast generes already loaded i had it before but don't remember the name
[04:49] <Fanfare> olskolirc: kmplayer, kaffeine, ...
[04:49] <olskolirc> ok
[04:52] <Temar> hi
[04:52] <Temar> after i did an upgrade to dist, 1 of my ssh account now sorta broke, it only shows $ not current dir, and i cant use history as before, pressing arrows bring up weard symbols
[04:53] <Temar> $ ^[[C^[[A^[[D^[[B
[04:53] <Temar> thats me pressing 4 arrows
[05:00] <tsimpson> Temar: looks like the user you are connecting as has /bin/sh (or /bin/dash) set as the shell, or /bin/bash has become a link to /bin/sh
[05:01] <Temar> webmin says its set to /bin/sh
[05:02] <Temar> that why? it got change to sh?
[05:02] <tsimpson> someone (I guess) changed it to /bin/sh
[05:02] <tsimpson> you can use "usermod --shell /bin/bash" to set it back to bash
[05:02] <Temar> :D much better
[05:03] <Temar> thank you
[05:03] <tsimpson> :)
[05:03] <Temar> now see if i can get it up upgrade again
[05:03] <Temar> only at 9.04
[05:03] <Temar> then got error trying next dist
[05:04] <Temar> the user was www-data
[05:04] <Temar> but im on that ssh alot due to php bots/script managing
[05:04] <Temar> have em running in screens
[05:05] <tsimpson> ah, www-data (and other "system" accounts) default to /bin/sh
[05:07] <Temar> any way to share screen between users?
[05:07] <tsimpson> not really, no
[05:07] <tsimpson> it's designed to be per-user
[05:07] <Temar> k just wondered
[05:27] <Temar> yer failed
[05:28] <Temar> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[05:29] <Temar> E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[07:26] <bigbrovar> HI guys. I am on Kubuntu 10.10 running kde 4.5.5, of recent I have started to experience some plasma-desktop freeze when I log on to my system. The whole desktop is completely frozen, sometimes for as long as 5 min sometimes forever.
[07:27] <bigbrovar> the disturbing part of this is that when this happens, restarting kdm or even restarting the whole pc does not seem to help at all as the same thing happens again.
[07:27] <gr8m8> I would check the memory or at least reseat it
[07:29] <bigbrovar> I first thought it might have something to do with network manager plasmoid because I experienced it alot when my system is not connected or close to a wireless / ethernet port. hence I removed the network manager plasmoid and replaced it with the gnome network manager, that seems to work a bit, but this morning when I restarted the system, it was frozen again. I could launch krunner but every other thing is completely unresponsive
[07:29] <bigbrovar> gr8m8, I did that the memory and cpu are fine
[07:29] <gr8m8> k
[07:31] <gr8m8> bigbrovar:  any recent updates like graphic drivers?
[07:32] <bigbrovar> gr8m8, nope, not that I can remember. The laptop uses Intel (Arrandale chipset) which comes with core i5, works pretty much out of the box
[07:33] <gr8m8> it was a guess anyway...
[07:33] <bigbrovar> The saddest part of all this is how this almost got me in trouble at work, I was suppose to take some notes for a meeting and do a presentation when the problem started.
[07:34] <bigbrovar> I had to reboot the system like 5 times and still it wont work, in the end I could not handle my presentation :(
[07:34] <valorie> bigbrovar: have you tried booting onto a LiveCD or LiveUSB?
[07:34] <valorie> just to see if it's software related?
[07:35] <bigbrovar> this morning again I was suppose to meet my girl friend for a chat (long distance relationship) and when I started the pc it just froze. I mean I restart kdm restarted the whole system nothing
[07:35] <gr8m8> I would install another window manger, something light like fluxbox or openbox and check if it has the issue - plus it will be there as a backup
[07:35] <bigbrovar> valorie, well the whole problem goes away for a while if I remove the plasma configs .kde/share.config
[07:35] <bigbrovar> which is more of less reset plasma
[07:36] <bigbrovar> but the always come back after a while
[07:36] <bigbrovar> its very hard to debug and totally random
[07:36] <valorie> that sucks
[07:36] <valorie> have you checked with #plasma ?
[07:36] <gr8m8> randomness in my experience is mostly hardware related
[07:36] <bigbrovar> gr8m8, I wish i had the luxury to play around
[07:37] <valorie> right, what came to mind was running badblocks or something
[07:37] <valorie> to be sure you don't have a failing bit of your HD
[07:37] <bigbrovar> gr8m8, well I have been running the laptop on Kubuntu now since lucid and even with 10.10 this issue started or recent really
[07:38] <bigbrovar> valorie, and the badblocks goes away when I remove plasma configs ?
[07:39] <bigbrovar> let me do some googling to see if this is an isolated issue.
[07:39] <valorie> well, I've been using computers for a loooong time
[07:39] <gr8m8> bigbrovar:  it's not like hardware gives a warning it is going to play up - lines of code don't change so my first reaction is some part of your hardware is failing
[07:39] <valorie> and when you get a HD starting to fail, all kinds of weird things happen
[07:39] <gr8m8> yep
[07:44] <bigbrovar> gr8m8, valorie while I seriously doubt its a hardware problem (being a new laptop and all) I am not ruling anything out. I will do some further investigation of the issue and get back to you guys. thanks very much
[07:45] <gr8m8> np :-)
[07:45] <bigbrovar> just for the record, no one running Kubuntu 10.10 and kde 4.5.5 (who is also using the plasma-widget-menubar) and smoothtask widget is experiencing this issue?
[07:45] <valorie> I hope you find the answer
[07:45] <valorie> because that sounds like it truly sucks
[07:45] <valorie> I've never heard of smoothtask
[07:45] <kt_> hi i need help
[07:46] <valorie> !help
[07:46] <kt_> i have installed pcbsd on my hard disk (one which was free, partition) now when i reboot i dont see it there
[07:46] <kt_> i cant see it where to select it from
[07:46] <kt_> i see windows, linux (the 2 other os'es installed) but i cant see pcbsd
[07:46] <kt_> why is that?
[07:47] <gr8m8> is pcbsd an operating system? - do they have a chat channel?
[07:47] <gr8m8> never heard of it?
[07:48] <kt_> oh crap
[07:48] <kt_> i forgot to install the pc-bsd boot loader
[07:48] <kt_> now what should I do?
[07:50] <gr8m8> try    /msg alis list *bsd*
[08:07] <olskolirc> hey where is the kubuntu women channel
[08:07] <Tm_T> there is none
[08:12] <valorie> olskolirc: why?
[08:12] <olskolirc> never mind valorie
[08:13] <valorie> you were just trolling #Ubuntu-Women
[08:13] <olskolirc> those frigid b*es kcked me
[08:13] <olskolirc> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[08:13] <valorie> we kubuntu users are welcome there also
[08:13] <valorie> haha
[08:13] <olskolirc> i posted a link to check out his work and all they seen was dick and got pissed
[08:13] <valorie> you are wrong, and a troll
[08:13] <olskolirc> fuck off valorie
[08:13] <valorie> !coc
[08:14] <olskolirc> you called me a troll
[08:14] <valorie> indeed
[08:14] <olskolirc> are you narcissistic?  narcissis can't see what they do wrong
[08:14] <valorie> and you've just shown yourself to be one
[08:14] <valorie> please leave
[08:14] <olskolirc> fuck off going twice valorie
[08:14] <gr8m8> I'd call you a bit sad olskolirc
[08:15] <olskolirc> i posted a link to check out my friends work on facebood and all they seen was dick and got sick
[08:15] <olskolirc> sensitive and uptight
[08:15] <olskolirc> unecessary
[08:15] <olskolirc> ohhhhhhhh snap
[08:15] <olskolirc> im so sorry
[08:15] <olskolirc> lesbianssssssss
[08:15] <olskolirc> ok
[08:15] <olskolirc> i get
[08:15] <FloodBotK3> olskolirc: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:15] <olskolirc> sorry
[08:48] <bigbrovar_> I think I have tracked down the issue I am having with random plasma freezing on start on KUbuntu with smooth task  http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586 the system seems to work fine when I disabled it. Its still early days though so I am still keeping my fingers crossed
[09:06] <valorie> what does smoothtasks do?
[09:06] <valorie> seems rather buggy!
[09:06] <Tm_T> taskmanager
[09:08] <valorie> ah
[10:46] <faLUCE> hi, is that compatible with ubuntu? http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NC97.html
[11:05] <openstandards> Hi just recently switched back to kde from gnome and would like to know if dolphin has a similar view to nautilus (treeview)
[11:18] <tsimpson> openstandards: not sure what nautilus has, but maybe the "Column View" (Ctrl+3) or the "Folders Panel" (F7)
[11:20] <yofel> probably folders panel would be closest
[11:20] <yofel> nautilus has a folder tree/ file list mixed view
[11:21] <yofel> if I remember it correctly, haven't used gnome in a while
[11:21] <openstandards> cheers yeah i was looking for the mixed view.... folder/tree
[11:22] <openstandards> kde is over wealming when it comes to customizing, i'm liking some of it already
[11:57] <|snikker|> when i try to mount my usb hard drive, i've got this error: "Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address. IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon"
[11:57] <|snikker|> i'm under maverik
[13:47] <eMyller> hey
[13:48] <eMyller> my laptop got washed by a rain; the only thing that doesn't work is the Alt Gr key, that is needed for the '?'. can i map '?' to another shortcut?
[13:48] <eMyller> right now i'm using the charmap+clipboard to use it
[13:52] <c2tarun> eMyller: see if this may help u? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307354
[13:54] <eMyller> c2tarun: looks promising, thanks
[13:54] <c2tarun> eMyller: you'r welcome :)
[14:04] <bomber> hello
[14:05] <bomber> i tried to install the newer kubuntu but the screen just goes blank once the cd starts to load
[14:06] <bomber> and the same thing happens when i do the distro upgrade.. after it upgrade and i reboot no video.... any ideas whats happeneing
[14:06] <bomber> seems to happen on all the newer distros and this system is fairly up to date
[14:09] <bomber>  /msg NickServ help
[14:15] <divinefury> hi everyone
[14:16] <divinefury> i have a hp printer
[14:16] <divinefury> hp 4250
[14:17] <divinefury> when i print to it from my linux box, instead of printing once, it prints 4 times
[14:18] <divinefury> lets say i have a 2 page document, no matter what settings i choose, it prints the document out 4 times, resulting in 8 pages
[14:19] <divinefury> windows vista and 7 work perfectly
[14:19] <divinefury> any help would be appreciated
[14:21] <divinefury> and i have 3 machines running kubuntu and i have the same problem on all of them
[14:22] <ArGGu^^> well only thing I think of is trying newer hplib if there is newer
[14:23] <ArGGu^^> divinefury what version of kubuntu you are using?
[14:23] <bomber> i have a c4795 that doesnt do that although im using an older kubuntu... the newer one has video issues
[14:23] <bomber> for me anyways
[14:27] <GHH> How can i change scree resoulation ?
[14:27] <bomber> go to system settings then display and make your changes
[14:30] <KyranBe> is there a way to install lionmail in kde 4.6 on maverick?
[14:32] <divinefury> ArGGu: 10.04 LTS
[14:34] <divinefury> ArGGu: KDE 4.4.5
[14:35] <divinefury> ArGGu: the kernel version is 2.6.32-27-generic
[14:38] <divinefury> ArGGu: and its a hp system with 4 GBs of DDR2 RAM and intel core 2 quad Q8200
[14:42] <t2zhu> Hi, after updating KDE to 4.6, I find that I can't suspend properly anymore.  Every time I try to suspend, it resumes right away. Does anyone have any idea as to what's going on?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:45] <BluesKaj> t2zhu. kde 4.6 is actully meant to be default in 11.04..bound to have probs in 10.04 and 10.10
[14:47] <t2zhu> BluesKaj. Hmm... do you know of any way I can solve the problem, then? Or do I have to wait for 11.04?
[14:47] <ArGGu^^> divinefury well there is newer hplib so maybe you should try it
[14:48] <BluesKaj> t2zhu. dunno sorry
[14:49] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: just doin that now
[14:52] <Mario__> hi, i have some problems with my cpu under kubuntu 10.10 with kubuntu-beta ppa installed. cpu is an amd t1090 be o.c. to 4 ghz. but kubuntu only shows me 2.8 ghz under /proc/cpuinfo ... i have already disabled "ondemand" with rcconf and uninstalled everything which seems to be throttle the cpu ... does anybody have a solution how my kubuntu can work with th 4 ghz?? (under archlinux with the same kde - 4.6 - everything works fine)
[14:55] <Mario__> maybe some nec. info: this also happens under kubuntu 10.10 with the default kde (without the kubuntu-beta ppa)
[14:57] <apparle> which ppa to install for kde 4.5 updates.  also which ppa for amarok 2.4. I don't want to install 4.6
[14:59] <apparle> I have somehow messed my system in such a way that man:something opens firefox... how to fix it
[15:10] <apparle> come on... plz guys someone must be knowing how to fix man thing. I know its somewhere in file association
[15:13] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: just updated hplip and all the related software
[15:14] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: still the same problem
[15:19] <ct529> something serios going on here .... npviewer either or firefox or on chrome on watching a video, and it reboots the computer when I try to turn on virtualbox
[15:19] <ct529> anyone has experience random reboot before?
[15:24] <ArGGu^^> divinefury well you could try ubuntu live cd and see if it has same problem.
[15:25] <ArGGu^^> If it has same problem then maybe the problem is in hplip
[15:25] <noaXess> hey all
[15:25] <ArGGu^^> hey
[15:26] <noaXess> a friend get an error that video codec WMV3 can't be played... he is on 10.04.. what package i need to install him so he can watch WMV3?
[15:27] <noaXess> he get's this error with vlc, 1.0.6-1ubuntu1.4
[15:30] <ArGGu^^> noaXess try kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[15:31] <noaXess> ArGGu^^: thanks.. found it right now... sometimes a second seraah will give the result ;)
[15:34] <ArGGu^^> divinefury have checked that in system settings->printer configuration->your printer->job options that copies is 0?
[15:34] <sysop3> hi whats agood channel for  kubuntu 10.10 wine iise?
[15:35] <sysop3> issue i mean
[15:35] <Pici> sysop3: If its regarding installing wine, then here.  If its about running software under wine, then in #winehq
[15:36] <sysop3> well its install directx 9.0c
[15:36] <sysop3> so you tell me.
[15:36] <ArGGu^^> #winehq
[15:36] <sysop3> ok thanks.
[15:38] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: it is 0 :(
[15:41] <ArGGu^^> divinefury try the ubuntu live cd if it has same problem. That last thing I can think of then it just maybe googling or asking from somewhere/someone else :S
[15:42] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: already tried the googling...there seems no1 else with similar problems
[15:42] <ArGGu^^> divinefury just thinking can these thing to be configured directly to printer?
[15:43] <ArGGu^^> and could it be windows is able to bypass it?
[15:45] <BluesKaj> divinefury. which printer
[15:47] <ArGGu^^> BluesKaj hp 4250
[15:48] <ArGGu^^> I was thinking some printers has settings like that, so manual could be useful to check that is there setting of copy amount in the printer
[15:50] <BluesKaj> hmm, that's the same driver I use the HPcups 3.10.6 version on the 4200 series printer
[15:53] <BluesKaj> divinefury, ArGGu^^  I know this doesn't hellp but I just did a clean install and the printer test printed just fine with default settings
[15:56] <ArGGu^^> The quick copy feature prints the requested number of copies of a job and stores a copy on
[15:56] <ArGGu^^> the optional hard disk or, if a hard disk is not installed, it stores the copy on the RAM disk.
[15:56] <ArGGu^^> Additional copies of the job can be printed later. This feature can be turned off in the printer
[15:56] <ArGGu^^> driver
[15:56] <FloodBotK3> ArGGu^^: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:57] <ArGGu^^> divinefury you could check that setting is not on in your printer
[15:58] <ArGGu^^> Because maybe windows driver can be not to use it, but maybe linux driver do not support disabling it.
[16:08] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: im just looking at the printer now
[16:08] <divinefury> i hope theres some setting on the printer itself that i can disable/enable to fix this problem
[16:09] <divinefury> now if everyone on windows would stop using the printer...it would be really nice :)
[16:13] <iulian_> divinefury:  do you have instaled printconf
[16:14] <divinefury> ArGGu^^: i love you :)
[16:14] <divinefury> it was on the printer
[16:14] <divinefury> it was set to 4 copies per print job
[16:15] <divinefury> somehow the windows driver bypasses/ignores that setting
[16:15] <divinefury> linux driver does not
[16:16] <BluesKaj> HP printers are very linux friendly :)
[16:16] <divinefury> (the best part being everything from kde-printer configuration tool to the hp printer configuration tool, kept telling me that the printer was set to print one copy
[16:17] <divinefury> hp is not that bad with linux support
[16:17] <divinefury> the only bad experience iv had with them being a compaq 6230s laptop which had a broadcom wifi card
[16:17] <divinefury> extremely unreliable drivers
[16:19] <divinefury> it would work every once in a blue moon and then go back to teasing me with displaying all the avaialble wireless networks and not connecting to the selected n/w
[16:19] <divinefury> hah, fun days :) :p
[16:19] <divinefury> (intel chipsets are the best in my experience btw, really good driver support)
[16:21] <ind> Hi evrybody
[16:22] <ind> I dl a kde theme but it doesn't work
[16:22] <ind> a .emerald file
[16:24] <ind> I open it with emerald theme manager but nothing happen
[16:28] <GHH> I need some help for editing from mounted iso
[16:30] <sysop3> hey guys since Cedega is going to be free now. any chance of it making it into the repos?
[16:31] <GHH> Anyone here to help me editing ISO please?
[16:31] <tsimpson> GHH: I don't think you can edit an ISO, ISO9660 is designed to be a read-only file system. the only way I know would be to extract the ISO, edit files, and regenerate the ISO
[16:31] <divinefury> ind: do the other emerald themes work? just checking to see if you have been using it for a while and this is the first time you have been having problems with it?
[16:31] <sysop3> GHH,  I have never been ablle to doit in linux. but I have a windows program that actually works
[16:32] <GHH> tsimpson, correct.
[16:32] <ind> divinefury: none of them work
[16:32] <sysop3> GHH, magic iso. I run it under a micro xp under qemu or virutal box with no problems.
[16:32] <divinefury> GHH: i don't really understand the question...what do you want to edit?
[16:33] <GHH> tsimpson, I just mounted the iso and then unsqushed the filesystem.squshfs
[16:33] <divinefury> ind: is emerald set as your window manager or is it kwin?
[16:33] <GHH> divinefury, Remastering
[16:33] <ind> divinefury: i think it's kwin
[16:33] <openstandards> ind: kwin doesn't support emerald you'll need to make compiz your WM
[16:33] <tsimpson> !remaster
[16:33] <divinefury> ind: which version of kde are you using?
[16:34] <ind> divinefury: maybe the 4.5
[16:34] <tsimpson> GHH: there are tools and guides for remastering the live CD above :)
[16:34] <ind> or 4.6
[16:34] <ind> I'm on Kubuntu 10.10
[16:34] <openstandards> 4.5
[16:34] <GHH> tsimpson, I have done the ubuntu guide . But i need to edit the menu
[16:34] <divinefury> ind: go to kde help in kickstart
[16:35] <divinefury> ind: you can check your kde version from there
[16:35] <divinefury> ind: although that does not really matter
[16:35] <openstandards> divinefury: hes on 10.10 so its 4.5 :)
[16:35] <GHH> If there is anyone interest to know the details i can explain it... can i?
[16:36] <tsimpson> that's just generated from .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[16:36] <GHH> tsimpson, right
[16:36] <GHH> tsimpson, But i do not know how to add a new menu
[16:38] <ind> divinefury: it's the 4.5.1
[16:38] <GHH> tsimpson, i have a directory /my-applications and i want to add a menu called my-applications top of the all menu
[16:39] <GHH> tsimpson, Can it be done?
[16:40] <openstandards> ind: figured out how to enable compiz or need help still?
[16:40] <divinefury> ind: you have to replace kwin with emerald as the default window manager
[16:41] <ind> divinefury: where to find it
[16:41] <divinefury> ind: now the issue you would have with that is, you also loose any compositing
[16:41] <openstandards> ind: system settings -> default applications -> window manager
[16:41] <tsimpson> GHH: I'm not sure
[16:41] <ind> I've been searching it since yesterday
[16:41] <openstandards> you'll find it there
[16:42] <divinefury> ind: along with all the fancy animations unless you are using beryl (or whatever it is called now, no disrespect to the folk working on beryl but kwin animations have been pretty awesome lately and i havent seen the point in replacing them)
[16:42] <esmirlin> hi everyone! does anyone use kde onto a netbook? i have a few of questions
[16:43] <maco> divinefury: its called Compiz Fusion now
[16:43] <openstandards> divinefury: compiz does window grouping :)
[16:43] <ind> divinefury: I found but I can't set emerald as window manager
[16:43] <openstandards> select compiz ind
[16:43] <maco> ind: emerald is not a window manager
[16:43] <ind> I can choose only compiz, métacity
[16:44] <ind> ahhh
[16:44] <openstandards> compiz is the one you'll want :))
[16:44] <maco> ind: emerald is an old, unmaintained window decorator for beryl that crashes frequently and upstream wishes would die
[16:44] <Torch> openstandards: what does compiz do with window grouping that kwin cannot do?
[16:44] <maco> (upstream stopped development on emerald in 2007 iirc)
[16:44] <Torch> ind: unless you're really certain you need anything else, stay with kwin.
[16:45] <openstandards> Torch: how does kwin group windows i haven't seen or experienced much of kwin
[16:45] <ind> ok thanx it works
[16:46] <Torch> openstandards: well, it's had that feature for at least a year now i think.
[16:46] <tsimpson> GHH: I guess you could just run kmenuedit from the squashfs chroot and edit the menu there
[16:46] <Torch> openstandards: i suggest you just try it out yourself.
[16:47] <divinefury> ind: as openstandards said, go to system settings->default applications->window manager and select use a different window manager and select compiz fuzion with wrapper for kde
[16:47] <GHH> tsimpson, i tried that but it do not execute as gui(fail error)
[16:49] <tsimpson> GHH: you will have to bind-mount /tmp to the chroot and export DISPLAY=:0, you may also need to run "xhost +LOCAL:"
[16:49] <divinefury> openstandards: kwin has matured into a pretty solid piece of s/w
[16:50] <divinefury> openstandards: i havent had it crash on me once in recent memory
[16:50] <openstandards> i've been using kwin myself but the features and functions are kinda hard and kwin crashed on me yesterday trying to play an avi full screen
[16:50] <divinefury> openstandards: its got an array of animations/effects
[16:51] <openstandards> sometimes happened with compiz
[16:51] <GHH> tsimpson, I did that also but nothing work
[16:51]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand why ppl still use emerald and ccsm ...the desktop effects has plenty of graphical tricks with a lot more stability
[16:52] <divinefury> openstandards: it does not have the burn-out and teleport effects (which i used to love under compiz) but it can hold its own against compiz
[16:52] <GHH> tsimpson, There is local directory ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[16:52] <GHH> tsimpson, and /etc/xdg
[16:52] <openstandards> i love the burn effect with random colours
[16:52] <BluesKaj> compiz ...bah  humbug ! :)
[16:52] <GHH> tsimpson, But i am not understanding that how to edit it
[16:52] <divinefury> openstandards: where compiz has more effects, kwin makes up for it in terms of stability
[16:54] <GHH> tsimpson, Editing menu is new to me but i just need to do it
[16:54] <openstandards> divinefury: to be fair i've never had a problem as such as with compiz and i've used it since it was first released
[16:54] <GHH> tsimpson, perhaps you will understand here something : http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/howtos/kde-menus.htm
[16:54] <divinefury> openstandards: what really put me off compiz was when i was showing off my 'cool' operating system with all the 'fancy' effects to mates at university and compiz decided to take a memory dump....extremely embarassing :p
[16:54] <openstandards> i suffer the black window effect where it ran out of ram but
[16:55] <openstandards> very rare
[16:55] <divinefury> openstandards: i suppose everyone has their own experience :)
[16:56] <tsimpson> GHH: the spac for the .menu file is at http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/1.0/ar01s04.html but it's not easily human-editable
[16:56] <divinefury> openstandards: i was using a laptop with intel graphics (i think the 3000 series) so that could have been an issue, underpowered graphics card
[16:57] <GHH> tsimpson, Yeah i have read that also and too many instruction and i can't understand much
[16:59] <openstandards> i had compiz set up various way my nvidia 4200 ti i think it was loved compiz i had it set up within mins
[17:01] <lucidfox> Okay, tempted to write a messaging indicator patch for Akregator
[17:01] <divinefury> openstandards: do give kwin a try, you might actually like it ;)
[17:03] <openstandards> i've been using it and i must admit kde still has usablity issues
[17:03] <openstandards> i don't like how kde does the theming
[17:05] <openstandards> its like what the hell shouldn't window decorations be grouped with application appearance
[17:05] <ArGGu^^> divinefury good to hear that you got it working :)
[17:06] <divinefury> openstandards: http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/09/are-your-desktop-effects-slowing-you.html :)
[17:06] <divinefury> openstandards: what dont you like about it?
[17:07] <openstandards> the insaneness of the devs, the gnome guys got it right when it comes to customizing the appearance
[17:08] <divinefury> openstandards: you can't really customize gnome, removing the panels is such a pain
[17:09] <openstandards> the fact that you go to system settings you'll find one part of changing the look application appearance and then you'll find workspace appreance
[17:10] <openstandards> and divinefury removing panels involves hacks... and then you'll lose key parts of gnome...
[17:11] <openstandards> i've experienced this first hand when playing about with cairo-dock
[17:11] <openstandards> which is the best dock currently
[17:11] <berra> hi TR olan var mı?
[17:12] <parduist> berra: var
[17:12] <rork> !en | parduist
[17:13] <se3n> is there a bulgaria channel ?
[17:14] <tsimpson> !bg | se3n
[17:15] <se3n> thanks :P
[17:16] <se3n> i will try it :)
[17:17] <divinefury> openstandards: exactly my point, gnome is not half as customizable as kde
[17:19] <openstandards> divinefury:  what stops the grouping of workspace and application customising?
[17:19] <divinefury> openstandards: i kind of agree that kde 4.4 onwards, the kde guys have made the customization options slightly unintuitive but they are still there
[17:20] <divinefury> anyways, got to go
[17:20] <divinefury> thanks for the help folks :)
[17:20] <divinefury> later
[17:20] <openstandards> cyass have fun
[17:20] <divinefury> and adios for now :)
[17:43] <openstandards> going to try out kde 4.6
[18:07] <t-rask> I can't seem to open GIMP in Kubuntu 10.10 (KDE 4.6), when opening from menu it shows the GIMP window in task bar, but then just closes that. From terminal I just get "segmentation fault", any ideas?
[18:07] <t-rask> (I just tried to re-install all GIMP things, to no avail)
[18:17] <BluesKaj> t-rask, looks like kde 4.6 isn't ready for prime time yet
[18:18] <t-rask> BluesKaj: would 4.6 really cause issues with loading GIMP, which doesn't even rely on KDE..?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> t-rask, it runs on kwin
[18:22] <t-rask> I suppose.
[18:28] <BluesKaj> t-rask, I looked around google-linux for gimp probs on kde 4.6 but didn't see anything , there other probs with ke=win and kde 4.6 tho
[18:28] <BluesKaj> err kwin
[18:28] <t-rask> Curiouser and curiouser.
[18:28] <yofel> t-rask: curious, what does 'env | grep QT_GRAPHICS' say in konsole?
[18:28] <amorphous1> Hello guys. when using quassel...how do I access old chat logs?
[18:29] <yofel> amorphous1: by scrolling upwards
[18:29] <t-rask> yofel: nothing.
[18:29] <yofel> t-rask: ok, then it's not what I thought
[18:29] <yofel> amorphous1: there is a log exporter somewhere on the quassel homepage
[18:29] <yofel> there's not a GUI for that yet
[18:30] <amorphous1> yofel, Yes, but how about private dialog cobersations...that are not in the main channel?
[18:30] <yofel> you can select those from the all chats chatview?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> t-rask, run gimp in the terminal , see what spits out
[18:31] <amorphous1> yofel, let me try..
[18:31] <t-rask> BluesKaj: I already said, it only says 'segmentation fault'
[18:37] <BluesKaj> t-rask, just installed gimp on kde 4.5.1 , launches ok
[18:37] <t-rask> BluesKaj: hm, must be something with 4.6 then. Strange :\
[18:45] <d0c> hi
[18:46] <d0c> yesterdays update left my kdm dead
[18:46] <d0c> probably common problem.. can anyone link me to solution
[18:49] <t-rask> d0c: are you using 4.5.1 or 4.6?
[18:51] <Guest54017> Hello
[18:51] <t-rask> I'm using 4.6 and I haven't run into any issues with KDM (as far as I can tell), but I would recommend Googling your problem if you haven't yet.
[18:51] <Guest54017> I was thinking about picking up Kubuntu, but I couldn't find any documentation or the like (tutorials, how t ouse the command line etc...)
[18:53] <rork> Guest54017: look for ubuntu or linux tutorials, there are plenty of them, also the wiki ( http://wiki.ubuntu.org/ ) could be a good place to start
[18:53] <BluesKaj> Guest54017, which OS are you runnining right now ?
[18:54] <Guest54017> Windows
[18:54] <Guest54017> Windows 7 to be specific
[18:54] <rork> * http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[18:56] <Guest54017> So I can use an ubuntu wiki for kubuntu?
[18:58] <tsimpson> ubuntu refers the project, not the gnome variant
[18:59] <Guest54017> So, what's the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu then except the desktop environment?
[18:59] <tsimpson> nothing
[18:59] <maco> Guest54017: thats it
[18:59] <Guest54017> Really?
[18:59] <tsimpson> Ubuntu is really Ubuntu + Gnome, Kubuntu is Ubuntu + KDE
[18:59] <tsimpson> that's all
[19:00] <Mkaysi> Guest54017: Some default applicaltions are different and Kubuntu CD includes also Netbook interface.
[19:00] <maco> (reason you sometimes see people say "Ubuntu Desktop" not just "Ubuntu")
[19:00] <maco> Mkaysi: that can be summed up at "desktop environment" though
[19:00] <Guest54017> oh, then why was there a youtube tutorial on how t oget kubuntu to look like ubuntu? Doesn't that seem a little unescesary?
[19:00] <maco> Guest54017: because gnome and kde look very different?
[19:01] <maco> but yes it does seem unnecessary
[19:01] <maco> just use the other one :P
[19:01] <Guest54017> Yea, that's what I meant
[19:01] <Guest54017> Well, I'll have a look at the desktop environments and see which one I like best, thanks for your support guys^^
[19:03] <d0c> t-rask: 4.5.1
[19:03] <d0c> apt-cache shows for kdm 4.5.1
[19:07] <d0c> service kdm start tells me that service is running
[19:07] <d0c> but it boots to shell, not GUI
[19:07] <d0c> tried the first few google hits but no luck
[19:10] <Snowhog> d0c: Likely you need to edit /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc and edit the line: Theme=/usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes/ to point to an existing theme, or remove all after the = and also edit the line: UseTheme=true and change it to =false
[19:11] <d0c> the theme seemed to exist
[19:11] <d0c> i'll double check
[19:12] <d0c> i tried false and rebooted - nothing
[19:14] <d0c> the directory ethais exists as the kdmrc Theme variable states
[19:14] <Snowhog> d0c: Do you get to the KDM Login screen at all?
[19:14] <d0c> no
[19:15] <d0c> actually... i think kdm didnt start the first time. when i tried service kdm start it complained about some message
[19:15] <d0c> when i tried the UseTheme=false.. now service kdm start states that it is already running
[19:16] <Snowhog> d0c: What happens when you press Ctrl+Alt+F7 or Ctrl+Alt+F8
[19:18] <d0c> f7 tab has some console output form sfch, apparmor and firefox
[19:18] <d0c> fsck
[19:19] <d0c> f8  has only blinking cursor. no login screen, no output
[19:22] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, d0c ,tty=ctrl+alt +f1 to f6 , f7 should open the desktop if kdm is on , afaik f8 does nothing
[19:23] <d0c> last line on f7 is skipping profile in /etc/apparmor.d/disable: usr.bin.firefox
[19:24] <d0c> maybe additional proprietary nvidia drivers are the problem? kubunut default one didnt work
[19:25] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I'm aware. See: [Jan 31@10:16:26] <Snowhog> d0c: What happens when you press Ctrl+Alt+F7 or Ctrl+Alt+F8 <<< Sometimes, Ctrl+Alt+F8 gets me the KDM Greeter, not Ctrl+Alt+F7.
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, really? never tried ctrl+alt+f8
[19:27] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I discovered this when Ctrl+Alt+F7 only took me to a tty. Don't ask me why this is, it just is -- sometimes. ;p
[19:29] <servidor> r
[19:32] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, just tried it from the tty , no response
[19:35] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I've found, that on a reboot, and at the KDM Greeter, I go to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1), login, do my CLI stuff, and then type exit, that ctrl+alt+f7 doesn't "always" get me back to the KDM Greeter. When that happens, ctrl+alt+f8 does. My feeling is that in this scenario, X has not yet been started, because I didn't login via KDM yet.
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, ok , I thought X started with kdm in tandem to open the login scrn
[19:40] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: Only a guess on my part. Like I said, I don't really know why it does this (here), when it does.
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Snowhog,  but my knowledge of the sequence is sketchy at best :)
[19:41] <james147> ^^ as far as i know X needs to be running with or before kdm...
[19:41] <BluesKaj> i guess as long one can get to tty then a rescue is possible when X fails
[19:41] <Snowhog> james147: Any idea then, why at times, X isn't on tty7??
[19:42] <james147> Snowhog: X takes the first free one, if tty7 was taken for some reason (i find its notmally because the last one didnt die soon enough) then it goes to the next free one, tty8... or tty9 if 8 is also not free...etc
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, you have open the desktop/kwin before dropping to a tty , I think
[19:43] <BluesKaj> have to
[19:43] <james147> ^^ what are you gues trying to do?
[19:43] <james147> guys ^^
[19:43] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: No. As I said, when it happens (but not all the time), it's when I drop to tty1 from the KDM Greeter "before" I login.
[19:43] <BluesKaj> then you can get the dsktop back with ctrl_alt+f7
[19:44] <BluesKaj> sorry I should have been more clear
[19:46] <BluesKaj> anyway yesterday I had no X at all, no tty ...couldn't even ssh into this media-server pc , after upgrading to X1.10 in natty 11.04...so i just had reinstall maverick
[19:48] <BluesKaj> i think there's gonna be plenty of trouble on natty , even after it's official release in April , that new X stack looks like it's going cause a lotta grief for a lotta ppl
[19:52] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:53] <d0c> startx say no screens found
[19:55] <james147> d0c: what graphics card and driver are you using?
[19:58] <d0c> thx anyway... i'll wait few more days.. maybe google then can help me
[19:58] <d0c> ti4200
[19:58] <d0c> and proprietary nvidia drivers
[19:58] <james147> d0c: rename /etx/X11/xorg.con
[19:58] <james147> d0c: rename /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[19:59] <james147> d0c: rename /etc/X11/xorg.conf  << that one :p
[19:59] <d0c> to?
[19:59] <james147> d0c: dosent matter, as long as its something different :) (adding .bak or .backup or .old is usually good)
[19:59] <d0c> and reboot?
[20:00] <james147> d0c: if X cant find that file then it will default to the autodetect... which should work
[20:00] <d0c> ok
[20:00] <james147> d0c: no, just try to start x (sudo start kdm)
[20:00] <Ash-Fox> I'm being driven slightly mad, I'm trying to port forward a DNS server and this iptables rule does not appear to work, I don't understand why - Any ideas?: sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 66.119.111.9 -p udp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:10053
[20:00] <james147> or whatever way you like to
[20:01] <d0c> reboot worked
[20:01] <d0c> simple. thx
[20:02] <james147> d0c: you may want to regenerate your xorg.conf file to use the nvidia drivers again (sudo nvidia-xconfig will do taht)
[20:02]  * james147 cant remember if that requires X to not be running
[20:03] <d0c> yes it does
[20:04] <d0c> thanks again
[20:04] <se3n> Hi there
[20:05] <se3n> i'm trying to get sound for one game... the game run with normal sound only with oss
[20:06] <se3n> can i have oss and alsa at the same time :D
[20:06] <maco> no, they're two separate sets of drivers. alsa has a compatibility layer for oss though
[20:07] <se3n> yes i tryit allready
[20:07] <se3n> aoss and then run the game
[20:07] <se3n> i have sound but its very slow
[20:07] <se3n> there is a delay between sound and game
[20:07] <se3n> big delay
[20:08] <se3n> with padsp is the same
[20:09] <se3n> the sound is normal only when i install oss modules but when i did it i don't have sound on the desktop... nowhere only in games :(
[20:13] <se3n> in ubuntu 9.04 everything was fine why the new distros doesn't use oss by default
[21:01] <vanvan> hi
[21:01] <vanvan> somebody (who speak french if possible) can help me with a touchpad bug??
[21:03] <tsimpson> !fr
[21:05] <se3n> any help
[21:05] <se3n> i install oss4 but i dont
[21:05] <se3n> 'i don't have "/dev/dsp"
[21:21] <se3n> 290 user and all of them away :|
[21:22] <james147> se3n: not all of them
[21:22] <james147> se3n: just no one seems to know the answer to your problem
[21:22] <se3n> no one :(
[21:23] <james147> (or at least no one thats paying attention)
[21:23] <se3n> how i have to install oss4 to make /dev/dsp device
[21:23] <se3n> its saying i don't have audio device
[21:24] <se3n> all i need is /dev/dsp/ link but i don't know what link is it... link to what
[21:34] <iulian_> se3n: check there http://www.khattam.info/solved-cant-open-devdsp-in-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-2010-06-09.html
[21:37] <se3n> but this is oss emolution
[21:37] <se3n> i have allready oss
[21:38] <se3n> but oss doesb't create device's
[21:39] <se3n> i also don't have any snd modules loaded when type i konsole "lsmod"
[21:39] <BluesKaj> alsa-base and alsa-utils  will link to your soundcard , check by typing alsamixer in the terminal , se3n
[21:41] <se3n> BluesKaj, No such file or directory
[21:41] <se3n> i'm using oss4
[21:41] <se3n> oss4 use /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer
[21:42] <se3n> but i don't have them
[21:42] <iulian_> yep but sbagen will run without oss
[21:42] <iulian_> just install it and change /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.
[21:44] <BluesKaj> se3n, why are you using oss , are you on an old kubuntu version?
[21:44] <se3n> no
[21:45] <se3n> i have just one game i want to play and he runs only with oss
[21:45] <se3n> aoss and padsp doesn't work for me
[21:45] <se3n> now will try installing oss from http://www.opensound.com/
[21:45] <BluesKaj> se3n, which soundcard?
[21:46] <se3n> i'm not sure
[21:46] <se3n> intel but what exacly
[21:48] <15SABGCQZ> hi, sorry to be rude, but does anyone know if there's an irc channel for knetworkmanager?
[21:48] <james147> decktrio: knetworkmanager is being replaced by the network managment widget ^^
[21:50] <decktrio> james147: hmm... ok. thanks for the help! :)
[21:55]  * BluesKaj avoids network manager for ethernet configuration... /etc/network/interfaces  is basic abd effective
[22:49] <Guest53709> hi. i have a notebook with 10.10 on. I want to disable the synaptics touchpad when another mouse is connected thought USB (like in Windows). How can i do that?
[22:56] <Guest32191> hi, anyone knows how to add adblock to reqonk?
[23:00] <Snowhog> Guest53709: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig and a bit of crafty scripting should allow you to disable/enable the touchpad when a mouse is plugged/unplugged. Sorry, I don' know how to do it, but I do know that it can be done.
[23:01] <Guest32191> hi, anyone knows how to add adblock to reqonk?
[23:05] <Snowhog> Guest32191: Adblock is already part of Reqonk. You have to enable it. Click on the Wrench icon, Configure reqonk and you'll see it.
[23:11] <Guest53709> Snowhog: thanks you
[23:15] <Snowhog> Guest53709: Google is your friend. This might be what you are looking for: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1629433
[23:20] <Guest53709> Snowhog: thanks you very much. Try it now
[23:21] <Guest32191> Snowhog i know but only easyliists appears, and lots of adds shows
[23:21] <Guest32191> how to add more filters?
[23:23] <Snowhog> Guest32191: If you click on the Manual Filters tab, you can add your own. As to adding to the existing list, I suggest you visit the Adblock site. I believe they have instructions there.
[23:24] <Guest32191> Snowhog thnx
[23:31] <Snowhog> Guest32191: In reqonk, it appears that Adblock isn't 'full-featured' like you would have in Konqueror and/or Firefox.
[23:36] <Guest32191> so, whats the better browser in kde?
[23:36] <Guest32191> i mean, firefox & chrome are kinda slow
[23:37] <Guest32191> only reqonk works good
[23:37] <Guest32191> but can't set adsblock properly
[23:37] <Snowhog> Guest32191: That's a matter of opinion. Depends on your hardware, video card/driver, personal likes/dislikes.
[23:38] <Guest32191> well i only want 2 things on a  browser: fast , no adds
[23:44] <Snowhog> Guest32191: In Firefox, check that you have ipv6 disabled. Launch FF and in the URL type: about:config and then search on ipv6. If it shows as false, double-click and change the value to true.
[23:45] <Snowhog> ^^double-clicking changes the value.
[23:47] <Merlin__> I am new to linux and running Kubuntu 10.10 and have some how delted/uninstalled kpackeeit  how do i reinstall?