[00:32] <slyrus> if I were building a new machine to run natty one, what would y'all recommend for a graphics card?
[00:42] <jbwiv> guys, when I got to "About Ubuntu" via the System Menu, it says I'm using Natty Narwhal...even though I'm still just on Maverick. Any reason why this might have happened?
[00:50] <bazhang> jbwiv, well known bug
[00:51] <bazhang> jbwiv, lsb_release -a should show maverick
[00:51] <jbwiv> bazhang, yes, you're correct. thank you
[00:58] <coz_> lsb_release -a  shows  ubuntu natty 11.04  here
[00:59] <coz_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/lsb_release.png
[01:01] <bazhang> coz_, yep, this is a bug in Maverick he was asking about
[01:01] <coz_> bazhang,  oh sorry,,, I came in just after he talked... nevermind :)
[01:01] <bazhang> :)
[02:01] <psusi> the x transition is still in turmoil right?  the daily live cd has the x server crash for me today and leave the monitor in standby until I sysrq-k and switch to tty1
[02:02] <bazhang> psusi, presumably the topic is still correct
[07:43] <[[n1x]]> Anyone know if xfce 4.8 has finally reenabled the ability to configure the right click desktop menu?
[10:17] <gnomefreak> anyone know if the Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 is supported?
[12:36] <coz_> well so far..natty is pretty nice  except for firefox 4... i went back to 3
[12:41] <susundberg> firefox 4.X has sync built in <3
[12:41] <coz_> susundberg,  mm  well  maybe later I will like it :)
[12:42] <susundberg> you will if you have more than 1 machine in active use
[12:42] <susundberg> though older xmarks and firefox sync did the tric
[12:42] <susundberg> (for some reason my older 3.X firfox though says that sync is currently non working)
[12:42] <coz_> susundberg,   I do... however... I get grumpy if I have nothing to complain about :)
[12:42] <susundberg> :D
[12:52] <coz_> hey all
[14:02] <csgeek> should packaging bugs be reported?  ie.  http://pastie.org/1514687
[14:02] <Pici> csgeek: yes
[14:06] <csgeek> launchpad? or is there a +1 bug location?
[14:08] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[14:08] <gnomefreak> you can use the command ubuntu-bug packagename
[14:08] <gnomefreak> replace packagename with the name of the package
[14:17] <csgeek> that's pretty slick.. I like the ubuntu-bug
[14:20] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, it is supported
[14:53] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: the nvidia 460?
[14:53] <bjsnider> yes
[14:54] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: thanks
[14:55] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling it is going to be alot of work to install it
[14:59] <bjsnider> physically?
[15:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[15:02] <gnomefreak> you have got to love when things say the following
[15:02] <gnomefreak> Email sent successfully!
[15:02] <gnomefreak> Please check your spam for replies
[15:03] <gnomefreak> its very big and has its own wiring harnesses but i not real sure where to plug them in. i have to wait until i get the new PC to install it
[15:08] <bjsnider> your new pc will have power connectors labelled for pci-express cards. they are distinct
[15:08] <bjsnider> the only problem might be if the ase is insufficiently large to accommodate such a large expansion card
[15:09] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: ase?
[15:09] <bjsnider> case
[15:10] <gnomefreak> ah. well its normal size PC not the slim so i dont see an issue there. the card will take up 2 slots. i always have the ati 4200 that comes with it to fall back on
[15:10] <bjsnider> normal size might not be big enough
[15:10] <gnomefreak> i just have to figure out what drivers they are, but i can figure that out fairly easy
[15:10] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: on thats not good
[15:11] <gnomefreak> for a $200 card it better work
[15:12] <bjsnider> it's also going to be very loud
[15:12] <bjsnider> those things need fans
[15:12] <bjsnider> big fans
[15:12] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: it has a huge fan on it
[15:12] <gnomefreak> but it is removable
[15:13] <bjsnider> if the case is a small minitower it won't fit. it will be too long and the back will interfere with the hard drive
[15:13] <bjsnider> yeah, it's removable if you want to fry the gpu
[15:14] <gnomefreak> yeah
[15:14] <bjsnider> the best thing to do is buy a system with such a card already included, such as a dell xps
[15:15] <bjsnider> or build your own system
[15:15] <gnomefreak> yeah way too much money for a dell system with nvidia card even as a choice
[15:16]  * gnomefreak checking to see if it has dementions
[15:17] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[15:39] <hallyn> all right, since last night's update, I can't get online over 3G (tethered with nokia n900)  Anyone else see anything problem like this?
[16:36] <[[n1x]]> Anyone know if xfce 4.8 has finally reenabled the ability to configure the right click desktop menu?
[16:38] <bazhang> [[n1x]], app shortcuts?
[16:39] <bazhang> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5679  [[n1x]] check this
[16:40] <[[n1x]]> like this http://lynucs.deviantart.com/art/bliss-105565250
[16:43] <bazhang> no idea. check the video if you are curious about the new features
[16:44] <[[n1x]]> I already know what the features are but xfce never lists everything and they seem to always be clueless when asked
[16:44] <[[n1x]]> I need to revise my question, does anyone here use xfce 4.8?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> as it is in Xubuntu Natty, yes
[16:46] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: please be a little more detailed with that yes
[16:46] <gpc> charlie-tca: you are the xubuntu project lead right?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> detailed how? I use Xubuntu, Natty Narwhal, which has Xfce 4.8 in it. I do not install from git or compile it on my own
[16:46] <charlie-tca> gpc: yes
[16:47] <gpc> cool and congrats btw :)
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[16:48] <charlie-tca> [[n1x]]: Xfce is not a distribution, it is a desktop environment. It has to installed in something to use it
[16:48] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: so you are saying that the desktop right click menu can be easily editied like it use to be in xfce 4.2?
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I have no idea about that. I am saying "Yes, I use Xfce 4.8 as installed in Xubuntu"
[16:49] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: well, do you see an option to edit that menu?
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know how it was edited in 4.2
[16:50] <charlie-tca> nope
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I don't see that option
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I do know you can now use the standard menu editors to edit the main menu
[16:51] <[[n1x]]> but the desktop menu is seperate from the main menu :(
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Isn't it just an xml file you can edit?
[16:53] <[[n1x]]> Iol, editing hundreds of links from xml would be insane
[16:54] <[[n1x]]> I was hoping to find an experienced xfce user that might have known about the menu editor
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Are you talking about the applications menu in the right click menu?
[16:54] <charlie-tca> That should be the same as the main menu, and you edit it by editing the main menu
[16:55] <[[n1x]]> I already posted a screenshot of what I'm talking about a few posts up
[17:00] <[[n1x]]> revising question again, any experienced xfce users on 4.8 and know about the old menu editor?
[17:01] <[[n1x]]> I had been using that menu for about 5 years
[17:22] <kuvutu> the grub menu is different from the grub.cfg? strange but I have no idea why. is this a known issue?
[17:23] <kuvutu> i don't see any other than the /boot/grub and the examples inn /usr/share
[17:23] <kuvutu> where is it coming from?
[17:25] <kuvutu> any ideas?
[17:26] <Daekdroom> Is it only here or is transmission not working correctly with appmenu?
[19:08] <gnomefreak> anyone else have theme issues after updates in the past few days?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> it seems everything is generic and fairly big
[19:10] <gnomefreak> ok seems in the past few hours there are more updates some gtk so lets hope it will be fixed
[19:11] <Pici> gnomefreak: I haven't rebooted/relogged since the last update, sorry :/
[19:11] <gnomefreak> even grub was black on white instead of purple, but plymouth was purple. login screen was also generic (no theme really)
[19:12] <gpc> reboot at this time is probably the worst idea
[19:13] <gnomefreak> i had ~200 or 400 (dont recall but one of the 2) this morning than i shutdown and just started it up. system was turned off for a few hours
[19:15] <Daekdroom> I have had no theme issues.
[19:15] <Daekdroom> A long time ago, the whole system would start as if there was a issue with Ambience theme, but then it'd normally come back (except for Nautilus)
[19:16] <Daekdroom> That was, idk, a week ago.
[19:17] <gnomefreak> this is what i have http://img141.imageshack.us/f/themeissue.png/
[19:17] <Daekdroom> zeitgeist is now installed by default D:
[19:18] <gnomefreak> last time i did updates were during the ayanata issue, than today was next time update
[19:19] <gnomefreak> but it seems all Ambience is gone from what i can tell atm
[19:19] <Daekdroom> I'm gonna do the most recent upgrades now.
[19:19] <Daekdroom> (if my connection lets me)
[19:19] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a few im going to see what i can do about this
[19:22] <gnomefreak> my g-t seems to have gotten Ambience back since the gtk updates a few minutes ago. gonna try rebooting
[19:30] <gnomefreak> ok it seems that it is still broken
[19:37] <gnomefreak> well it seems that g-t above the menu looks to have ambience, brownish with the close(x) is red but nothing else in the screen has it
[19:42] <gnomefreak> although grub was purple again :)
[19:42] <gnomefreak> numlocks is not engaging on login
[19:43]  * yofel still waits for someone to make that purple grub not hardcoded into the scripts..
[19:44] <Daekdroom> The gfxgrub is even worse.
[19:44] <Daekdroom> Because when it shows up, it's not very well aligned to my monitor
[19:45]  * gnomefreak loves purple so im good with grub/plymouth :)
[19:45] <yofel> well, I set the framebuffer by hand anyway, so I don't care about that. But it's annoying to have to edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme on every grub package update
[19:50] <gnomefreak> if you go to 1saleaday.com the https has a red line through it :)
[19:55]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke/think
[20:11] <coz_> hey all
[20:11] <gnomefreak> ok i didnt get real far. i get this feeling that the $200 video card is going to work in the new pc. worried about PSU output and space inside the box.
[20:19] <gnomefreak> anyone have a Nvidia Galaxy GeForce GT220? i cant find the min. PSU output
[20:20] <gnomefreak> it should fit in case, i just get the feeling that the PC it is going into has a 300Watt PS
[20:28] <gnomefreak> ok found one that should work and its >$100 cheaper :)
[20:28] <coz_> gnomefreak,  checking out some of the reviews for that card
[20:28] <coz_> http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697132/Geforce-GT-220-reviewed-Nvidias-DX101-graphics-card/Reviews/
[20:29] <gnomefreak> coz_: thanks looking at it in a minute
[20:29] <coz_> gnomefreak,  I doubt a 300whatt psu is going to be enough
[20:30] <coz_> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5271086&sku=G458-0220
[20:30] <coz_> $64.00
[20:30] <gnomefreak> no but the geforce gt 430 should work
[20:31] <gnomefreak> tigerdirect is where i ordered the other card from
[20:31] <coz_> ah ok
[20:31] <coz_> I am jealous :)
[20:31] <gnomefreak> i think the 220 is 400watt
[20:31] <coz_> gnomefreak,  i would get the largest you can afford
[20:32] <coz_> PSU  that is
[20:32] <coz_> TTGI  are fairly inexpensive comparitively
[20:32] <gnomefreak> i have a few but im not sure what the new pc comes with (PSU)
[20:32] <coz_> gnomefreak,  oh  ok
[20:33] <gnomefreak> the 430 is only $69.99
[20:33] <coz_> cool
[20:33] <gnomefreak> the 460 was ~$190
[20:34] <coz_> gnomefreak,  did you compare the specs between the two?
[20:36] <gnomefreak> coz_: yeah kind of, whatever was on tigerdirect site. i guess i go through and customize the dell again and see what ati card it comes with and the PSU
[20:37] <coz_> gnomefreak,  yeah ,, system integration is a lengthy  project... most of us just buy what we can afford :)
[20:38] <gnomefreak> i cant really afford the $200 but i dont know how well ati is supported or works for that matter. i have been using nvidia cards for many years
[20:39] <bjsnider> you don't need the more expensive one unless you're gaming all the time
[20:39] <gnomefreak> well the 430 i think it was is only $70ish but i closed the page
[20:41] <gnomefreak> still not sure about the amd proc it comes with
[20:41] <gnomefreak> that is another never had thing
[20:42] <gnomefreak> Integrated ATI HD4200 Radeon
[21:10] <gnomefreak> this guy is a moron, i should know better than to call dell to ask questions. he tells me the pc will support the nvidia460 so i ask him what is the wattage of the PSU he tells me 300Watt but the card needs 450Watts :(
[21:10]  * gnomefreak smacks self
[21:11] <gnomefreak> been on the phone with the guy for 23 minutes and still waiting for him to check it again
[21:13] <gnomefreak> he tells me i have to pay for a new PSU but when i get the PC i have to ship it back to them using my money and wait for them to replace it anda send it back to me. i said ill buy my own
[21:26] <gnomefreak> lol now he says it is a mini tower. everything he has said was wrong. next PC i buy im going to the store and buying it
[21:28] <Daekdroom> I bought a HP computer because it was the smallest non-freakish-design I could find, and I don't have many space to spare, specially in depth :S
[21:28] <Daekdroom> But if I could, I'd build one myself.
[21:29] <coz_> Daekdroom,  this one is self built a whillllle   back :)
[21:41] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:58] <nekoCAT> I would like to compliment the Xubuntu team for their work on Natty so far.  The new theme looks great and the panel configuration is a nice change from the psuedo-gnome look it had before.
[21:59] <charlie-tca> thank you, nekoCAT. I will pass that on to the devs. Can you screenshot your desktop for us?
[22:07] <Omega> Is there anyway to get the notification area back?
[22:07] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca: I haven't changed much but here. http://i.imgur.com/1n5nH.png
[22:10] <charlie-tca> nekoCAT: that's what I wanted. Is that the default themes for panels?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> nebula: Thank you for the image.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> nekoCAT: thank you for the image.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> nebula: sorry, tab fail
[22:13] <nekoCAT> charlie-tca: The only things I have changed is the text Menu by the menu, the wallpaper, and removing the trash and filesystem icons on the desktop.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> nekoCAT: great! it looks real good, too
[22:21] <nebula> charlie-tca,  :P~
[22:39] <nekoCAT> I created a bug report for the two Gnumeric menu entries I mentioned Saturday.
[22:40] <nekoCAT> It appears Orange Globaltime also presents with two menu entries in Xubuntu Natty.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, the two entries are generated by the desktop file. It is written wrong
[22:42] <nekoCAT> Okay, I hope it gets fixed soon.