[00:32] if I were building a new machine to run natty one, what would y'all recommend for a graphics card? [00:42] guys, when I got to "About Ubuntu" via the System Menu, it says I'm using Natty Narwhal...even though I'm still just on Maverick. Any reason why this might have happened? [00:50] jbwiv, well known bug [00:51] jbwiv, lsb_release -a should show maverick [00:51] bazhang, yes, you're correct. thank you [00:58] lsb_release -a shows ubuntu natty 11.04 here [00:59] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/lsb_release.png [01:01] coz_, yep, this is a bug in Maverick he was asking about [01:01] bazhang, oh sorry,,, I came in just after he talked... nevermind :) [01:01] :) === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [02:01] the x transition is still in turmoil right? the daily live cd has the x server crash for me today and leave the monitor in standby until I sysrq-k and switch to tty1 [02:02] psusi, presumably the topic is still correct === lost is now known as Guest48238 [07:43] <[[n1x]]> Anyone know if xfce 4.8 has finally reenabled the ability to configure the right click desktop menu? [10:17] anyone know if the Nvidia GeForce GTX 460 is supported? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:36] well so far..natty is pretty nice except for firefox 4... i went back to 3 [12:41] firefox 4.X has sync built in <3 [12:41] susundberg, mm well maybe later I will like it :) [12:42] you will if you have more than 1 machine in active use [12:42] though older xmarks and firefox sync did the tric [12:42] (for some reason my older 3.X firfox though says that sync is currently non working) [12:42] susundberg, I do... however... I get grumpy if I have nothing to complain about :) [12:42] :D [12:52] hey all === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi [14:02] should packaging bugs be reported? ie. http://pastie.org/1514687 [14:02] csgeek: yes [14:06] launchpad? or is there a +1 bug location? [14:08] launchpad [14:08] you can use the command ubuntu-bug packagename [14:08] replace packagename with the name of the package [14:17] that's pretty slick.. I like the ubuntu-bug [14:20] gnomefreak, it is supported [14:53] bjsnider: the nvidia 460? [14:53] yes [14:54] bjsnider: thanks [14:55] i get the feeling it is going to be alot of work to install it [14:59] physically? [15:02] yes [15:02] you have got to love when things say the following [15:02] Email sent successfully! [15:02] Please check your spam for replies [15:03] its very big and has its own wiring harnesses but i not real sure where to plug them in. i have to wait until i get the new PC to install it [15:08] your new pc will have power connectors labelled for pci-express cards. they are distinct [15:08] the only problem might be if the ase is insufficiently large to accommodate such a large expansion card [15:09] bjsnider: ase? [15:09] case [15:10] ah. well its normal size PC not the slim so i dont see an issue there. the card will take up 2 slots. i always have the ati 4200 that comes with it to fall back on [15:10] normal size might not be big enough [15:10] i just have to figure out what drivers they are, but i can figure that out fairly easy [15:10] bjsnider: on thats not good [15:11] for a $200 card it better work [15:12] it's also going to be very loud [15:12] those things need fans [15:12] big fans [15:12] bjsnider: it has a huge fan on it [15:12] but it is removable [15:13] if the case is a small minitower it won't fit. it will be too long and the back will interfere with the hard drive [15:13] yeah, it's removable if you want to fry the gpu [15:14] yeah [15:14] the best thing to do is buy a system with such a card already included, such as a dell xps [15:15] or build your own system [15:15] yeah way too much money for a dell system with nvidia card even as a choice [15:16] * gnomefreak checking to see if it has dementions [15:17] be back in a few [15:39] all right, since last night's update, I can't get online over 3G (tethered with nokia n900) Anyone else see anything problem like this? [16:36] <[[n1x]]> Anyone know if xfce 4.8 has finally reenabled the ability to configure the right click desktop menu? [16:38] [[n1x]], app shortcuts? [16:39] http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5679 [[n1x]] check this [16:40] <[[n1x]]> like this http://lynucs.deviantart.com/art/bliss-105565250 [16:43] no idea. check the video if you are curious about the new features [16:44] <[[n1x]]> I already know what the features are but xfce never lists everything and they seem to always be clueless when asked [16:44] <[[n1x]]> I need to revise my question, does anyone here use xfce 4.8? [16:45] as it is in Xubuntu Natty, yes [16:46] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: please be a little more detailed with that yes [16:46] charlie-tca: you are the xubuntu project lead right? [16:46] detailed how? I use Xubuntu, Natty Narwhal, which has Xfce 4.8 in it. I do not install from git or compile it on my own [16:46] gpc: yes [16:47] cool and congrats btw :) [16:47] Thanks [16:48] [[n1x]]: Xfce is not a distribution, it is a desktop environment. It has to installed in something to use it [16:48] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: so you are saying that the desktop right click menu can be easily editied like it use to be in xfce 4.2? [16:49] I have no idea about that. I am saying "Yes, I use Xfce 4.8 as installed in Xubuntu" [16:49] <[[n1x]]> charlie-tca: well, do you see an option to edit that menu? [16:49] I don't know how it was edited in 4.2 [16:50] nope [16:50] I don't see that option [16:50] I do know you can now use the standard menu editors to edit the main menu [16:51] <[[n1x]]> but the desktop menu is seperate from the main menu :( [16:51] Isn't it just an xml file you can edit? [16:53] <[[n1x]]> Iol, editing hundreds of links from xml would be insane [16:54] <[[n1x]]> I was hoping to find an experienced xfce user that might have known about the menu editor [16:54] Are you talking about the applications menu in the right click menu? [16:54] That should be the same as the main menu, and you edit it by editing the main menu [16:55] <[[n1x]]> I already posted a screenshot of what I'm talking about a few posts up [17:00] <[[n1x]]> revising question again, any experienced xfce users on 4.8 and know about the old menu editor? [17:01] <[[n1x]]> I had been using that menu for about 5 years [17:22] the grub menu is different from the grub.cfg? strange but I have no idea why. is this a known issue? [17:23] i don't see any other than the /boot/grub and the examples inn /usr/share [17:23] where is it coming from? [17:25] any ideas? [17:26] Is it only here or is transmission not working correctly with appmenu? [19:08] anyone else have theme issues after updates in the past few days? [19:09] it seems everything is generic and fairly big [19:10] ok seems in the past few hours there are more updates some gtk so lets hope it will be fixed [19:11] gnomefreak: I haven't rebooted/relogged since the last update, sorry :/ [19:11] even grub was black on white instead of purple, but plymouth was purple. login screen was also generic (no theme really) [19:12] reboot at this time is probably the worst idea [19:13] i had ~200 or 400 (dont recall but one of the 2) this morning than i shutdown and just started it up. system was turned off for a few hours [19:15] I have had no theme issues. [19:15] A long time ago, the whole system would start as if there was a issue with Ambience theme, but then it'd normally come back (except for Nautilus) [19:16] That was, idk, a week ago. [19:17] this is what i have http://img141.imageshack.us/f/themeissue.png/ [19:17] zeitgeist is now installed by default D: [19:18] last time i did updates were during the ayanata issue, than today was next time update [19:19] but it seems all Ambience is gone from what i can tell atm [19:19] I'm gonna do the most recent upgrades now. [19:19] (if my connection lets me) [19:19] ill be back in a few im going to see what i can do about this [19:22] my g-t seems to have gotten Ambience back since the gtk updates a few minutes ago. gonna try rebooting [19:30] ok it seems that it is still broken [19:37] well it seems that g-t above the menu looks to have ambience, brownish with the close(x) is red but nothing else in the screen has it [19:42] although grub was purple again :) [19:42] numlocks is not engaging on login [19:43] * yofel still waits for someone to make that purple grub not hardcoded into the scripts.. [19:44] The gfxgrub is even worse. [19:44] Because when it shows up, it's not very well aligned to my monitor [19:45] * gnomefreak loves purple so im good with grub/plymouth :) [19:45] well, I set the framebuffer by hand anyway, so I don't care about that. But it's annoying to have to edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme on every grub package update [19:50] if you go to 1saleaday.com the https has a red line through it :) [19:55] * gnomefreak goes for smoke/think [20:11] hey all [20:11] ok i didnt get real far. i get this feeling that the $200 video card is going to work in the new pc. worried about PSU output and space inside the box. [20:19] anyone have a Nvidia Galaxy GeForce GT220? i cant find the min. PSU output [20:20] it should fit in case, i just get the feeling that the PC it is going into has a 300Watt PS [20:28] ok found one that should work and its >$100 cheaper :) [20:28] gnomefreak, checking out some of the reviews for that card [20:28] http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697132/Geforce-GT-220-reviewed-Nvidias-DX101-graphics-card/Reviews/ [20:29] coz_: thanks looking at it in a minute [20:29] gnomefreak, I doubt a 300whatt psu is going to be enough [20:30] http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5271086&sku=G458-0220 [20:30] $64.00 [20:30] no but the geforce gt 430 should work [20:31] tigerdirect is where i ordered the other card from [20:31] ah ok [20:31] I am jealous :) [20:31] i think the 220 is 400watt [20:31] gnomefreak, i would get the largest you can afford [20:32] PSU that is [20:32] TTGI are fairly inexpensive comparitively [20:32] i have a few but im not sure what the new pc comes with (PSU) [20:32] gnomefreak, oh ok [20:33] the 430 is only $69.99 [20:33] cool [20:33] the 460 was ~$190 [20:34] gnomefreak, did you compare the specs between the two? [20:36] coz_: yeah kind of, whatever was on tigerdirect site. i guess i go through and customize the dell again and see what ati card it comes with and the PSU [20:37] gnomefreak, yeah ,, system integration is a lengthy project... most of us just buy what we can afford :) [20:38] i cant really afford the $200 but i dont know how well ati is supported or works for that matter. i have been using nvidia cards for many years [20:39] you don't need the more expensive one unless you're gaming all the time [20:39] well the 430 i think it was is only $70ish but i closed the page [20:41] still not sure about the amd proc it comes with [20:41] that is another never had thing [20:42] Integrated ATI HD4200 Radeon [21:10] this guy is a moron, i should know better than to call dell to ask questions. he tells me the pc will support the nvidia460 so i ask him what is the wattage of the PSU he tells me 300Watt but the card needs 450Watts :( [21:10] * gnomefreak smacks self === KM0201 is now known as KM858585 === KM858585 is now known as KM0201 [21:11] been on the phone with the guy for 23 minutes and still waiting for him to check it again [21:13] he tells me i have to pay for a new PSU but when i get the PC i have to ship it back to them using my money and wait for them to replace it anda send it back to me. i said ill buy my own [21:26] lol now he says it is a mini tower. everything he has said was wrong. next PC i buy im going to the store and buying it [21:28] I bought a HP computer because it was the smallest non-freakish-design I could find, and I don't have many space to spare, specially in depth :S [21:28] But if I could, I'd build one myself. [21:29] Daekdroom, this one is self built a whillllle back :) [21:41] o/ [21:58] I would like to compliment the Xubuntu team for their work on Natty so far. The new theme looks great and the panel configuration is a nice change from the psuedo-gnome look it had before. [21:59] thank you, nekoCAT. I will pass that on to the devs. Can you screenshot your desktop for us? [22:07] Is there anyway to get the notification area back? [22:07] charlie-tca: I haven't changed much but here. http://i.imgur.com/1n5nH.png [22:10] nekoCAT: that's what I wanted. Is that the default themes for panels? [22:11] nebula: Thank you for the image. [22:11] nekoCAT: thank you for the image. [22:11] nebula: sorry, tab fail [22:13] charlie-tca: The only things I have changed is the text Menu by the menu, the wallpaper, and removing the trash and filesystem icons on the desktop. [22:13] nekoCAT: great! it looks real good, too [22:21] charlie-tca, :P~ === lost is now known as Guest4547 [22:39] I created a bug report for the two Gnumeric menu entries I mentioned Saturday. [22:40] It appears Orange Globaltime also presents with two menu entries in Xubuntu Natty. [22:41] yeah, the two entries are generated by the desktop file. It is written wrong [22:42] Okay, I hope it gets fixed soon. === lost is now known as Guest75033 === marcos_ is now known as Daekdroom === Afwas__ is now known as Afwas