| hajour | totally agree | 00:00 |
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| AlanBell | but I do recall we were discussing whether Mark Shuttleworth was a cosmonaut or an astronaut so I used this link to make my point | 00:00 |
| AlanBell | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=billionaire+cosmonaut+bachelor | 00:00 |
| hajour | well if i ask for what it means i reither like to get 1 other word what means the same not page to read | 00:01 |
| hajour | i just get lost on that moment in very many lines | 00:02 |
| hajour | if i have a better day i can read it .difficult but i can. | 00:03 |
| hajour | then i also do not ask | 00:03 |
| hajour | because i don't need it | 00:03 |
| hajour | i understand AlanBell what you mean | 00:04 |
| maco | I was discussing the Dasher-crashing issue with a friend who's into accessibilty stuff and can code (attempting to recruit), and he pointed out that adding a watchdog script to restart it when it crashes would help the immediate situation til all the bugs can be fixed | 05:25 |
| JackyAlcine | maco: That sounds effective. | 05:34 |
| AlanBell | maco: that is a good idea | 07:47 |
| JackyAlcine | Is Qt a development system that Ubuntu Accessibility would recommend? | 09:43 |
| AlanBell | maco: ^^ | 10:05 |
| AlanBell | as QT might end up in the default install it will need to work, right now I understand it is not as complete as GTK in terms of A11y APIs | 10:11 |
| JackyAlcine | AlanBell: Hm, in an attempt to improve voice recognition, I've started this. (https://www.launchpad.net/cmusphinx-train) | 10:15 |
| JackyAlcine | It's in C++ and Qt. | 10:15 |
| JackyAlcine | AlanBell: If there's anything about it that needs tweaking or work, please tell me. :) | 10:16 |
| maco | JackyAlcine: screen readers can't handle it, period | 14:03 |
| maco | and fixing this is not on Nokia's roadmap | 14:03 |
| JackyAlcine | >_< | 14:03 |
| maco | they just say "patches welcome!" ... but it needs someone (or two or three) working full time for a year | 14:03 |
| JackyAlcine | So it's GTK all the way? | 14:04 |
| AlanBell | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568#comment-343659 Mark does not appear to have responded to this | 14:07 |
| AlanBell | full time developers working on it is not outside the bounds of possibility, but so far there is no commitment to do that | 14:09 |
| maco | even luke's got accessibility only part of his fulltime job.. | 14:09 |
| AlanBell | I know | 14:10 |
| JackyAlcine | AlanBell: It said on this page that Qt 4 supports at-spi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_Technology_Service_Provider_Interface) | 14:42 |
| JackyAlcine | And I've noticed a few "accessibility" components when it comes to creating a Qt GUI application.. | 14:44 |
| JanC | JackyAlcine: if I understand correctly, they have an interface for at-spi support, but to make widgets accessible you have to wrap them and implement some things yourself? | 14:56 |
| JackyAlcine | Yes, JanC. | 14:56 |
| JanC | e.g. standard QPushButton etc. is derived from QWidget, not from QAccessibleWidget... | 14:57 |
| JanC | well, accesibleName & accesibleDescription are implemented in QWidget | 14:58 |
| JanC | that should help if the developer sets them | 14:59 |
| JackyAlcine | And I've set those values as fully as possible. | 14:59 |
| JanC | but I'm not familiar enough with at-spi & a11y to know if that is "enough" | 14:59 |
| JackyAlcine | Hopefully, it is, JanC. | 15:00 |
| JanC | if you need to wrapp all basic widgets yourself to get full at-spi support, that would not be fun for application developers ;) | 15:00 |
| JackyAlcine | >_< If it's required, then by all means. | 15:01 |
| maco | JackyAlcine: i saw a press release from ... oh it was probably Trolltech back then...that was like "hey, new Qt! and now with at-spi!" and mentioned it to one of the Qt guys at the last UDS and he said something about having to have a talk with the PR people :-/ | 15:47 |
| JackyAlcine | PR? | 15:49 |
| maco | public relations | 15:56 |
| maco | the people who write press releases | 15:56 |
| AlanBell | jcastro just started this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts | 22:25 |
| charlie-tca | great. He said he would do that for us | 22:30 |
| hajour | great AlanBell | 22:31 |
| AlanBell | that is a work in progress, there should be more key bindings to follow | 22:31 |
| hajour | i am looking foreword tto that | 22:32 |
| hajour | to i mean | 22:32 |
| charlie-tca | yes, there will be. But that was to help us get started | 22:35 |
| hajour | well work in progress is better then not at all thought :) | 22:41 |
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