[00:00] <hajour> totally agree
[00:00] <AlanBell> but I do recall we were discussing whether Mark Shuttleworth was a cosmonaut or an astronaut so I used this link to make my point
[00:00] <AlanBell> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=billionaire+cosmonaut+bachelor
[00:01] <hajour> well if i ask for what it means i reither like to get 1 other word what means the same not page to read
[00:02] <hajour> i just get lost on that moment in very many lines
[00:03] <hajour> if i have a better day i can read it .difficult but i can.
[00:03] <hajour> then i also do not ask
[00:03] <hajour> because i don't need it
[00:04] <hajour> i understand AlanBell  what you mean 
[05:25] <maco> I was discussing the Dasher-crashing issue with a friend who's into accessibilty stuff and can code (attempting to recruit), and he pointed out that adding a watchdog script to restart it when it crashes would help the immediate situation til all the bugs can be fixed
[05:34] <JackyAlcine> maco: That sounds effective.
[07:47] <AlanBell> maco: that is a good idea
[09:43] <JackyAlcine> Is Qt a development system that Ubuntu Accessibility would recommend?
[10:05] <AlanBell> maco: ^^
[10:11] <AlanBell> as QT might end up in the default install it will need to work, right now I understand it is not as complete as GTK in terms of A11y APIs
[10:15] <JackyAlcine> AlanBell: Hm, in an attempt to improve voice recognition, I've started this. (https://www.launchpad.net/cmusphinx-train)
[10:15] <JackyAlcine> It's in C++ and Qt.
[10:16] <JackyAlcine> AlanBell: If there's anything about it that needs tweaking or work, please tell me. :)
[14:03] <maco> JackyAlcine: screen readers can't handle it, period
[14:03] <maco> and fixing this is not on Nokia's roadmap
[14:03] <JackyAlcine> >_<
[14:03] <maco> they just say "patches welcome!" ... but it needs someone (or two or three) working full time for a year
[14:04] <JackyAlcine> So it's GTK all the way?
[14:07] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/568#comment-343659 Mark does not appear to have responded to this
[14:09] <AlanBell> full time developers working on it is not outside the bounds of possibility, but so far there is no commitment to do that
[14:09] <maco> even luke's got accessibility only part of his fulltime job..
[14:10] <AlanBell> I know
[14:42] <JackyAlcine> AlanBell: It said on this page that Qt 4 supports at-spi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assistive_Technology_Service_Provider_Interface) 
[14:44] <JackyAlcine> And I've noticed a few "accessibility" components when it comes to creating a Qt GUI application..
[14:56] <JanC> JackyAlcine: if I understand correctly, they have an interface for at-spi support, but to make widgets accessible you have to wrap them and implement some things yourself?
[14:56] <JackyAlcine> Yes, JanC.
[14:57] <JanC> e.g. standard QPushButton etc. is derived from QWidget, not from QAccessibleWidget...
[14:58] <JanC> well, accesibleName & accesibleDescription are implemented in QWidget
[14:59] <JanC> that should help if the developer sets them
[14:59] <JackyAlcine> And I've set those values as fully as possible.
[14:59] <JanC> but I'm not familiar enough with at-spi & a11y to know if that is "enough"
[15:00] <JackyAlcine> Hopefully, it is, JanC.
[15:00] <JanC> if you need to wrapp all basic widgets yourself to get full at-spi support, that would not be fun for application developers  ;)
[15:01] <JackyAlcine> >_< If it's required, then by all means.
[15:47] <maco> JackyAlcine: i saw a press release from ... oh it was probably Trolltech back then...that was like "hey, new Qt! and now with at-spi!" and mentioned it to one of the Qt guys at the last UDS and he said something about having to have a talk with the PR people :-/
[15:49] <JackyAlcine> PR?
[15:56] <maco> public relations
[15:56] <maco> the people who write press releases
[22:25] <AlanBell> jcastro just started this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts
[22:30] <charlie-tca> great. He said he would do that for us
[22:31] <hajour> great AlanBell 
[22:31] <AlanBell> that is a work in progress, there should be more key bindings to follow
[22:32] <hajour> i am looking foreword tto that
[22:32] <hajour> to i mean
[22:35] <charlie-tca> yes, there will be. But that was to help us get started
[22:41] <hajour> well work in progress is better then not at all thought :)