[00:01] <gunndawg> ibuclaw: yeah I figured thats why it works, just funny though
[00:01] <holstein> its funny that it gets labeld that
[00:02] <holstein> instead of intel 82801I or whatever
[00:03] <gunndawg> yeah
[00:09] <gunndawg> hmmm now that, that issue is resolved, what shall my next project be
[00:15] <seidos> gunndawg: i told you, my condolences on having a toshiba ;).
[00:19] <geirha> gunndawg: Make an awesome open source game
[00:19] <gunndawg> seidos: I have no problems with it. I dont have the money to buy one of those $2,000 laptops
[00:19] <gunndawg> seidos: bang for money, cant beat what I got, I enjoy this laptop
[00:20] <gunndawg> geirha: well I am a C/C++ developer but have not developed on linux, only winblowz, so i am not familiar with the structure yet
[00:20] <seidos> gunndawg: it's not about $ is it?  i guess the question is what notebooks have the best value
[00:20] <gunndawg> seidos: of course its about money, cant have what you cant afford, heh
[00:20] <seidos> i paid $600 for mine
[00:21] <gunndawg> seidos: wow, I paid $250 for mine, brand new
[00:21] <gunndawg> seidos: well my family did, I got it for xmas
[00:21] <gunndawg> seidos: I take that back, it was $300
[00:22] <gunndawg> seidos: is urs black with the carbon fiber shell/case?
[00:27] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Why do you demean Windows like that?... I use Windows on a regular basis and I don't mind it.
[00:28] <kristian-aalborg> http://linuxshellaccount.blogspot.com/2008/09/famous-quotations-script-for-linux-and.html <--- fun stuff, scripts to lookup different pages
[00:29] <gunndawg> aveilleux: it's all in fun, most the world uses windows so its obviously done something right
[00:29] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Marketing done right, certainly
[00:30] <gunndawg> aveilleux: I just like having more control over most all aspects of my system, and because of taht I have so far really really enjoyed linux, it's been a great experience
[00:31] <gunndawg> aveilleux: learning something new every day
[00:35] <aveilleux> gunndawg: I am by no means defending Windows, it just really irks me when someone takes a jab at it like that
[00:35] <aveilleux> gunndawg: more often than not it's a new Linux convert, fresh in the "everything about Windows is awful" phase
[00:36] <gunndawg> aveilleux: sorry, I admit i am in that phase
[00:39] <nit-wit> we always hate those that took from us with no returns but heartbreak.
[00:40] <gunndawg> nit-wit: what? lol
[00:40] <nit-wit> gunndawg, just being stupid.:)
[00:40] <gunndawg> nit-wit: lol ok
[00:41] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Just see nit-wit's name ;-)
[00:41] <nit-wit> gunndawg, I never really used MS and hardly now, there must be some good to it I just don't need it.
[00:43] <gunndawg> nit-wit: well I kept XP on my desktop for gaming, though I am quite enjoying some of these linux games
[00:43] <gunndawg> nit-wit: plus I dont intend to do any hardcore gaming on this laptop anyways, so linux is perfect
[00:44] <holstein> new machine, and no more buntu stickers :/
[00:45] <nit-wit> holstein, you have a new computer/
[00:45] <holstein> new to me :)
[00:45] <nit-wit> holstein, desktop or laptop
[00:45] <holstein> i found an EEE1001 on craigslist
[00:46] <holstein> battery doesnt seem trashed
[00:46] <holstein> SO, i install lucid on it
[00:46] <holstein> wifi doesnt work
[00:46] <holstein> some hot keys are funky
[00:46] <holstein> i update
[00:46] <holstein> get the latest kernel
[00:46] <holstein> and everything is working :)
[00:47] <nit-wit> holstein, cool I have a acer aspire d250 pretty similiar
[00:47] <holstein> nit-wit: 10.10?
[00:47] <gunndawg> holstein: nice
[00:48] <nit-wit> holstein, I heve W7 10.10 and natty on a sdhc card
[00:48] <holstein> nice
[00:48] <holstein> i kept win7
[00:48] <holstein> i dont have anymore windows boxes in the house
[00:48] <holstein> might come in handy helping a family member or something
[00:49] <nit-wit> W7 is not a bad Os I just never use it except for the word PPT right now for a class midterm. I am one class from fulfilling my major Yipeeee
[00:49] <holstein> i wouldnt know
[00:50] <holstein> seems like i have windows7 stater
[00:50] <holstein> not sure what that means
[00:50] <holstein> i made sure grub found it
[00:50] <nit-wit> holstein, the W7 was on the eeepc
[00:51] <holstein> yup
[00:51] <holstein> i did a recovery
[00:51] <nit-wit> score as far as a free OS, starter is the basic home probably
[00:52] <nit-wit> I was just thinking recovery, does it still have the rec partition
[00:52] <holstein> ApOgEE__: the interface?
[00:52] <holstein> nit-wit: i think i saved both
[00:52] <holstein> pretty sure
[00:53] <nit-wit> what did you use clonezilla
[00:53] <holstein> i just saved them
[00:53] <holstein> made a 100 GB free for buntu
[00:53] <nit-wit> cool dd or through gparted
[00:53] <holstein> gparted
[00:54] <nit-wit> gparted is a amzing unit.:)
[00:54] <nit-wit> *amazing
[00:54] <holstein> i like the buntu utility too
[00:54] <holstein> well, i just checked
[00:54] <holstein> its from red-hat too
[00:54] <nit-wit> i found the complete list of bill laswells work and producing.
[00:55] <holstein> still, very nice
[00:55] <aveilleux> holstein: gparted is a GNOME tool... it's not distribution-specific. None of the programs on Ubuntu except Ubuntu One and the Software Center are.
[00:55] <nit-wit> An amazing list of people http://www.silent-watcher.net/billlaswell/discography/alphabeticalindex.html
[00:56] <holstein> thanks aveilleux
[00:56] <holstein> i was assuming that ubuntu had packaged the 'disk utility'
[00:56] <holstein> but your vilagance is not un-noticed
[00:56] <holstein> or un-appreciated :)
[00:57] <nit-wit> lol
[00:58] <aveilleux> holstein: Oh, you mean Palimpsest? Same deal with that...
[00:58] <johnny77> Is there a way to get a script listed in the open with drop down box in a files properties?
[00:58] <holstein> aveilleux: i was talking about 'disk utility'
[00:59] <aveilleux> holstein: Yes, Palimpsest. That's the official name.
[00:59] <holstein> system - administration - disk utility
[00:59] <holstein> cool
[00:59] <holstein> yeah, has 'red-hat' in the 'about' section
[00:59] <aveilleux> holstein: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest_Disk_Utility
[00:59] <holstein> i though it had originated at buntu
[01:00] <aveilleux> johnny77: Yes, if you right-click the file "Open with other Application..." and use the dropdown arrow "Use a custom command"
[01:01] <johnny77> aveilleux: the custom command can be the path to a script file?
[01:02] <aveilleux> johnny77: Yes, assuming you've chmod +x'd it
[01:02] <johnny77> aveilleux: that means made it executable right?
[01:02] <aveilleux> johnny77: Yes
[01:05] <johnny77> aveilleux: I can't get it to work. I put in the path, but then when I go to check it, the path is gone.
[01:05] <aiman201> is this ubuntu beginner?
[01:06] <aveilleux> aiman201: You're in the right place
[01:06] <eternal> stupid people
[01:07] <seidos> T_T
[01:07] <aiman201> okay, i've tried the ubuntu 10.10 on my mac snow leopard. it is remarkably slow, is it because it is not installed?
[01:08] <eternal> stupid
[01:08] <aiman201> whats ur problem
[01:08] <ddecator> eternal: ?
[01:08] <aveilleux> aiman201: Which Mac are you running it on?
[01:08] <aiman201> mac os x 10.6.6
[01:09] <aveilleux> aiman201: No, what hardware? The OS version is irrelevant.
[01:10] <aiman201> macbookpro 7, is that what u mean?
[01:11] <aveilleux> aiman201: Are you in Ubuntu now?
[01:11] <seidos> aiman201: it is probably running "slow" since you are running it off a CD or DVD?
[01:12] <aiman201> nope, im in Mac
[01:12] <aveilleux> aiman201: You mean "OSX"
[01:12] <aiman201> yes
[01:13] <aveilleux> aiman201: go to Apple > About this Mac > More Info... and tell us the generation name in the "Model Identifier" field
[01:14] <aiman201> MacBookPro7, 1
[01:14] <aveilleux> aiman201: Yeah, like seidos said, it's probably because you're running off the CD and not the hard drive
[01:14] <aiman201> okay
[01:14] <aveilleux> aiman201: the SuperDrive is god-awfully slow
[01:15] <aiman201> i see
[01:15] <aiman201> one more thing
[01:15] <aveilleux> aiman201: Before you get too far into it, though, I suggest you swing by here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro7-1/Maverick
[01:15] <aiman201> the display seems to be poorly lit, what may be the problem
[01:16] <aiman201> okay
[01:16] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.scraundler.com/images/b3ta/usb.jpg
[01:16] <kristian-aalborg> booh
[01:16] <kristian-aalborg> :)
[01:18] <aveilleux> aiman201: Vae you tried using the hotkeys to brighten the display? (Fn + F2)
[01:18] <aveilleux> aiman201: Have*
[01:18] <aiman201> yes
[01:18] <aiman201> to the max
[01:19] <aveilleux> aiman201: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro7-1/Maverick#Screen
[01:19] <aveilleux> aiman201: Once you install Ubuntu to the hard drive, you can do that
[01:19] <aiman201> okay got it
[01:19] <aiman201> thank you guys
[01:20] <eternal> aiman201, stupid go away
[01:21] <ddecator> eternal: please be respectful of others
[01:21] <eternal> don't tell me please
[01:21] <eternal> i hate this word
[01:21] <aveilleux> !ops
[01:22] <ubot2> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - bodhizazen, nhandler, paultag, Rocket2DMn, ibuclaw, cprofitt, Tronyx, PriceChild, Hellow, Silver-Fox-, or PabloRubianes!
[01:22] <holstein> i'll say it agian without please
[01:23] <eternal> i don't like the word respectful too
[01:24] <eternal> you don't know anything about respect
[01:24] <bazhang> eternal, please see PM
[01:24] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:26] <aveilleux> A friendly reminder: DNFTT
[01:26] <holstein> hehe
[01:26] <aveilleux> I woner...
[01:26] <aveilleux> wonder
[01:26] <aveilleux> !dnftt
[01:26] <holstein> aveilleux: you running buntu on a mac?
[01:26] <ubot2> Factoid 'dnftt' not found
[01:26] <aveilleux> damn
[01:26] <zkriesse> eternal: If you have a complaint or an issue with Ubuntu or just love windows please go to #windows
[01:26] <aveilleux> holstein: Indeed I am
[01:27] <zkriesse> !language | aveilleux
[01:27] <ubot2> aveilleux: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[01:27] <ddecator> zkriesse: dnftt :p
[01:27] <aveilleux> drat
[01:27] <zkriesse> Gotcha
[01:27] <holstein> aveilleux: i had a hard time with lucid on an intel mac
[01:27] <holstein> one of the early ones
[01:27] <holstein> 1,2 i want to say
[01:27] <aveilleux> holstein: Which model
[01:27] <holstein> ive been meaning to try again with 10.10
[01:27] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:27] <aveilleux> holstein: 1,2 only tells me the generation and revision
[01:28] <holstein> just a macbook
[01:28] <holstein> old white ones
[01:28] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:28] <holstein> im not worried about it anymore
[01:28] <JackyAlcine> eternal: Leave.
[01:28] <holstein> i just hear about folks doing it successfully
[01:28] <aveilleux> JackyAlcine: DNFTT
[01:28] <holstein> and i wonder what i was doing wrong
[01:28] <zkriesse> JackyAlcine: Don't feed the trolls
[01:28] <zkriesse> They never get full
[01:29] <eternal> shut up stupid
[01:29] <JackyAlcine> zkriesse, aveilleux: Alright, sorry, I'm just a bit provokable.
[01:29] <aveilleux> holstein: You mean 2,1?
[01:29] <holstein> aveilleux: id need to check
[01:29] <holstein> to confirm
[01:29] <holstein> maybe i'll hit you up sometime
[01:29] <holstein> when i have a 10.10 CD
[01:29] <holstein> and a few minutes
[01:29] <aveilleux> holstein: Well according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook2-1/Karmic there is no 1,2
[01:29] <aveilleux> er
[01:29] <holstein> and the computer in front of me
[01:29] <aveilleux> holstein: I mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[01:30] <holstein> 2,1 is probably it
[01:30] <holstein> had the green cam issue
[01:30] <holstein> aveilleux: do you leave it on for a long time?
[01:30] <holstein> like a week or so?
[01:30] <aveilleux> holstein: I solved that by using ws4gl, which has a blue-red invert effect
[01:30] <aveilleux> holstein: It's been up for... let me see
[01:32] <aveilleux> holstein: uptime tells me "20:30:53 up 17 days, 8:08"
[01:32] <holstein> interesting
[01:32] <holstein> i had something that seemed like a hardware issue
[01:32] <holstein> it would run for like a week
[01:32] <aveilleux> holstein: Granted, I'm running a Mini, not a Macbook
[01:33] <holstein> then in the period of a couple minutes, the mouse would go strange
[01:33] <holstein> and it would lock up
[01:33] <holstein> hard
[01:33] <holstein> and not recover
[01:33] <holstein> it doesnt do that running snow leopard
[01:33] <holstein> so im assuming its not a hardware issue
[01:33] <holstein> its an old one anyways
[01:34] <holstein> it was acutally very nice *while it was working properly
[01:43] <paultag> aveilleux: hey
[01:43] <paultag> aveilleux: is everything OK?
[01:43] <aveilleux> paultag: available for a PM?
[01:43] <eternal> use windows. don't use silly ubuntu
[01:43] <paultag> aveilleux: always
[01:43] <aveilleux> paultag: Or not
[01:44] <paultag> aveilleux: humm?
[01:44] <zkriesse> Finally
[01:44] <zkriesse> Thanks paultag
[01:44] <paultag> sure.
[01:44] <paultag> aveilleux: thanks for the heads up aveilleux
[01:44] <paultag> I was not watching, I was on minecraft
[01:44] <aveilleux> paultag: No problem
[01:45] <zkriesse> I did that kick long ago
[01:45] <zkriesse> In my mind
[01:45] <zkriesse> :D
[01:45] <paultag> heh
[01:45] <paultag> OK. Back to minecraft. Poke me in #whube if you need me, thats linked to my server
[01:50] <gunndawg> hey folks, im trying to get into C Linux Programming and clinuxpro.com seems like a decent site but cant find his tutorials, am I blind? lol
[01:50] <gunndawg> he keeps saying in his articles "if you find any errors in the tutorials please email me" yet I see no tutorials, lol
[02:16] <jasono> Hello. Does anyone know how to use Blender?
[02:17] <holstein> jasono: its slow over there
[02:17] <holstein> BUT you can try #ubuntustudio
[02:17] <holstein> maybe the ubuntustudio mailing list
[02:17] <jasono> Thank you holstein
[02:17] <holstein> i know folks use it
[02:17] <holstein> dont see them often though
[02:33] <jasono> holstein
[02:37] <jmarsden> gunndawg: Check out http://www.physics.drexel.edu/courses/Comp_Phys/General/C_basics/ instead
[02:38] <aveilleux> My aunt teaches as Drexel
[02:38] <aveilleux> at*
[02:39] <holstein> jasono: yo
[02:40] <gunndawg> jmarsden, thanks
[02:40] <jasono> Hey. Still can't find "help." Are you sure you have no experience? Is there alternate software I can use?
[02:40] <holstein> jasono: what are you trying to do?
[02:40] <jmarsden> gunndawg: You're welcome.  If you want something more "computer science-y", there is also http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/
[02:41] <holstein> ive only started blender
[02:41] <holstein> maybe twice
[02:41] <jmarsden> jasono: Have you gone through the tutorials at http://www.blendercookie.com/getting-started-with-blender/ ?
[02:41] <jasono> holstein I am trying to make a 3D atom
[02:42] <jasono> jmarsded I don't have time..
[02:42] <holstein> jasono: maybe inkscape?
[02:42] <holstein> not easy either though really
[02:43] <jasono> :/
[02:43] <jmarsden> jasono: Are you a graphics-oriented visual artist type person, or a programmer type person?  If the latter, you could try using OpenSCAD which is more CAD oriented but script based, so programmers tend to "get it" quickly...
[02:44] <jmarsden> http://www.openscad.org/ for info on that one.
[02:45] <jasono> jmarsden I'm still learning programming I saw that program but it was hard to install...
[02:45] <jmarsden> Really?  I can probably help you with the install... I've packaged it for Ubuntu (in my PPA, not officially yet!)...
[02:46] <holstein> jmarsden: you mind to link that PPA here?
[02:46] <holstein> that comes up in
[02:46] <jasono> jmarsden Yeah but, still learning. I don't know much.
[02:46] <holstein> #ubuntustudio sometimes
[02:46] <holstein> jmarsden: and if you dont mind, i'll share it
[02:48] <jmarsden> Sure.  https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/ppa (had to check which PPA I put it in!)
[02:48] <holstein> jmarsden: thanks :)
[02:48] <jmarsden> I think there is now a newer package set than mine, I'll try to find the guy who did that one, in case it helps...
[02:50] <jmarsden> jasono: So, if you want, you can do    sudo apt-add-repository ppa:jmarsden/ppa  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openscad    # and you should have my packages installed and ready to use
[02:51] <jasono> jmarsden Alright, I guess I'll try. Don't think it'll work on safe mode?
[02:51] <jasono> I'm on safe mode.
[02:51] <jmarsden> You should know that I do more packaging than work in OpenSCAD, though :)  I am on the reprap.org core team, and a lot of Reprappers use OpenSCAD.  What is "safe mode" in Ubuntu?
[02:52] <jmarsden> To me "safe mode: means I have recent backups I trust :)
[02:52] <jasono> Oh. You created OpenSCAD. I don't know :D All I know is it doesn't start up anything.
[02:53] <jmarsden> Well, I know the guys who wrote OpenSCAD.  And I wrote some patches for it, and I packaged it for Ubuntu... I am not really an author of OpenSCAD itself.
[02:53] <jasono> oh cool
[02:53] <jmarsden> Assuming you trust me (!), try the command    sudo apt-add-repository ppa:jmarsden/ppa  && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openscad
[02:54] <jasono> okey
[02:57] <jasono> E: Unable to locate package openscad
[02:58] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  What release of Ubuntu are you running?
[02:59] <jasono> 10.10
[03:00] <jmarsden> OK... i386 (32bit) or amd64 (64bit)?
[03:00] <jasono> i386
[03:00] <jasono> nvm jmarsden
[03:00] <jmarsden> OK.  Looks like I only built for Lucid (10.04).  I'll fire off a build for Maverick in a few minutes...
[03:01] <jasono> All of this is going to take long, it's okey.
[03:01] <jasono> I started it on Blender but need help.
[03:01] <jmarsden> If you are new to 3D and want "instant" you are in for disappointment.
[03:08] <r00t4rd3d> takes years to master any 3d app
[03:08] <r00t4rd3d> months just to learn the basics
[03:15] <holstein> jasono: theres http://puredata.info/
[03:15] <holstein> but im sure its just as challenging to take on
[03:15] <jasono> Thanks holstein
[03:37] <paultag> 1/msg chanserv hello
[03:37] <paultag> Oh shucks
[03:40] <paultag> !test
[03:40] <ubot2> Failed!
[03:40] <paultag> damn.
[03:42] <paultag> !test | paultag
[03:42] <ubot2> paultag, please see my private message
[03:42] <paultag> score
[03:43]  * jmarsden wonders if #ubuntu-beginners is an appropriate place for testing bots?
[03:44] <paultag> jmarsden: perhaps not, but I'm working on a local issue with my irc client, and needed fake traffic.
[03:45] <paultag> jmarsden: and since I'm the most senior member on this team here right now, meh! :)
[03:45] <jmarsden> Setting a good example :)  OK...
[03:45] <paultag> jmarsden: duh :)
[03:45] <ddecator> uh oh, he's drunk with power :p
[03:45] <paultag> ddecator: just plain drunk right now :)
[03:45] <ddecator> close enough
[04:20] <JackyAlcine> I got a problem; I'm trying to adjust my volume and I get this dialog: http://i.imgur.com/4QPIH.jpg
[04:25] <bioterror> maye pulseaudio
[04:36] <NikS> ohh..
[05:02] <jmarsden> jasono: In case you still have not mastered Blender and want to try OpenSCAD, my PPA now has OpenSCAD packages for Lucid, Maverick and Natty available.
[05:03] <jasono> Thanks, will install later. I figured it out.
[05:22] <gunndawg> What is Blender and OpenSCAD, sounds interesting
[05:24] <aveilleux> gunndawg: Blender is a 3D modeling and animation program, and OpenSCAD is a CAD (Computer-aided design) program
[05:24] <jmarsden> gunndawg: They are applications for creating 3D objects, but each works in a very different way.  http://openscad.org and http://www.blender.org have more details
[05:26] <jmarsden> aveilleux: Both export .STL files, so despite their different approaches, there are applications for which either one can be used, depending on which the user finds easier to work with.  For example, people have created STL files for use with RepRap (http://reprap.org ) in both Blender and OpenSCAD.
[05:28] <gunndawg> oh ok, thx jmarsden and aveilleux
[05:45] <bethdo97> I had ubuntu installed on one partition of my HD and created another partition of my harddrive and installed Windows Vista. I had the  system able to boot to Windows and if I inserted the live disc it would boot to ubuntu 10.10.  I then went on to install Windows 7 today andd after doing that I shut down the system and reinserted the live disk to boot via the live disk to the ubuntu hard drive and reinstall Ubuntu.  It came 
[05:46] <bethdo97> Try it started tto load and then showed a failed to load eror that I think has somthing to do with the video drivers and then it defaulted into the terminal prompt signed in under ubbuntu just as if I had in gone into the trial dessktop.  What might be the issue now?
[05:47] <bethdo97> Do I need tto fix the dissk partition andd eliminatte the partition where ubuntu wasoriginally installed.
[05:47] <bethdo97> Ths occurs whether I boot thru the live CD or theu wubi
[05:49] <gunndawg> bethdo97: in my experience with messing with windows and ubuntu partitions, I've found it to be rather difficult due to the NTFS and EXT3, or EXT4 file systems being so different
[05:49] <gunndawg> bethdo97: not that it has anything to do with your problem, just saying
[05:51] <bethdo97> gunndawg: probably is thou because Windows in telling me that I need to troubleshoot a problem with my mass storage device connected to my system.  It sayys it can't load driivers for  the device.  I am guessing what Windows is talking about is the 100gb partition created for ubuntu
[05:52] <gunndawg> bethdo97: yes possibly, honestly I just got rid of windows all together and just gave ubuntu the whole hdd, then again im on a laptop with just a 250gb hdd
[05:53] <aveilleux> bethdo97: Windows can't read Linux (ext4) partitions
[05:53] <bethdo97> Is there a way to use a partitioning program to do away with the part relaated to ubuntu and then reinstal it thru the live cd?
[05:53] <gunndawg> aveilleux: you just re-hashed what I said in less than 2 lines, lol
[05:53] <gunndawg> bethdo97: you can try partition magic on windows
[05:54] <aveilleux> bethdo97: While you were on the LiveCD, did you use the partitioner to delete and re-create the Linux partitions?
[05:54] <bethdo97> gunndawg: Will it run in Windows?
[05:55] <gunndawg> bethdo97: its a windows program
[05:55] <gunndawg> bethdo97: designed for windows ;)
[05:56] <bethdo97> aveilleux: no I was trying to boot with the live cd thru the trial roott.  Not totally reinstall ubuntu.  Maybe that was my issue, I needed to choose install ubuntu and go to the partitioner where I could have recreated the ubuntu partition and reloaded the ubuntu OS
[05:57] <aveilleux> bethdo97: Um.... just running the LiveCD won't install Ubuntu.
[05:59] <kbitz> I installed Ubuntu on one of my boxes running Windows 7.  Can anyone advise on the best way to backup files?  If possible I'd like to stay on the Ubuntu side and backup folders from both the Windows and Ubuntu sides.
[05:59] <kbitz>   I made one attempt with Deja Dup, but Ubuntu seems to limit folder size when I create one so it runs out of space.  The drive has plenty of free space on it.
[06:00] <aveilleux> kbitz: Where did you make the duplication to? Because backing up files from one part of the hard drive to another is not helpful.
[06:00] <bethdo97> aveilleux: I know that but when you boot intto the desktop there is a link to install ubuntu 10.10 that I used last time to get ubuntu up and running and connected to do the updates.
[06:01] <kbitz> good logic :-).  I made it to a folder named backup in Ubuntu.  If I hooked up an external drive... would that yeild better results?
[06:02] <kbitz> I was really just testing it out, ultimatley i'd be using external media
[06:02] <kbitz> then I got hung up on the fact ubuntu was limiting storage space on me
[06:02] <aveilleux> kbitz: Your Ubuntu partition is probably smaller than you think it is.
[06:03] <kbitz> i'm sure... I installed with wubi, so theoretically it doesnt have its own partition correct?
[06:03] <aveilleux> kbitz: WUBI STRIKES AGAIN
[06:03] <kbitz> rofl
[06:03] <aveilleux> kbitz: Wubi has a file that takes up space in the Windows partition, that acts as the "partition"
[06:04]  * nlsthzn is scared of WUBI...
[06:04] <kbitz> i see
[06:04] <aveilleux> kbitz: Avoid Wubi if at all possible.
[06:05] <kbitz> its possible, but then it does deserve some credit... i wouldnt have discovered how much more I like ubuntu.
[06:06] <kbitz> i take it i will continue to have issues like this with wubi, so I will do a stand-alone install
[06:06] <kbitz> thanks
[06:06] <bethdo97> when I go into the Windows 7 disk management proogram I can see  my ext4 formatted hard drive and it says it is heealthy but that it is not accessible
[06:07] <madsailor> bethdo97, , how is it going with dualbooting win7 and ubuntu?
[06:07] <aveilleux> bethdo97: Yes, Windows can't access ext4 partitions
[06:07] <bethdo97> Should I go in an reclaim that space by resiznig my windows hard drive or by reformmatting thaat partition as a NTFS paartition and then running the ubuntu CD and rreinstalling ubuntu in that partition
[06:08] <aveilleux> bethdo97: You can use the partition manager on the Ubuntu LiveCD to delete, then re-create the Ubuntu partition
[06:09] <kbitz> ... i have to ask.  What would be the difference between doing a stand alone install (no wubi).  and just continuing to use it and adding storage space.
[06:10] <aveilleux> kbitz: You can't add storage space to a Wubi install.
[06:11] <bethdo97> madsailor: I finaly had Ubuntu and Vista working as a dual boot, so I went on and installed Win7 and then tryied to get back to the Ubuntu tru the live CD and instead of  going to the ubuntu desktop by using the live trial option it booted to the terminal logged in as ubuntu@ubuntu
[06:11] <madsailor> bethdo97, how many partitions are on your drive at the moment?
[06:13] <bethdo97> madsailor: 3 - 100gb formatted as ext4; 100 gb formatted as NTFS where Win 7 is and rest formatted as NTFS where I intend to put my son's music and videos that he will sometimes share witth others
[06:13] <bethdo97> and so he will be able to access them from both Windows and Ubuntu
[06:14] <bethdo97> madsailor: What I can't understand is why the trial desktop wouldn't load
[06:15] <madsailor> bethdo97, sorry, lets back up one more step.  The intended outcome is Win7, ubuntu, and separate partition for music etc
[06:15] <bethdo97> madsailor: Yes that is the plan
[06:18] <bethdo97> If I go into the Ubuntu 10.10 install partitioner thru the live CD and select the current partition assigned to Ubuntu and reformat it, can I theen go on and reinstall Ubuntu innto that partition without having to addit back to the Windows partition and then take it out again
[06:18] <madsailor> ok you installed win 7 on a non partitioned disk or pre partitionped?
[06:19] <bethdo97> madsailor: I don't want to use WUBI if I can avoidit
[06:20] <madsailor> bethdo97,  you shouldn't have to
[06:20] <bethdo97> Prepartioned - The oly way I could get this computerup and ruunning again after the orignial hard ddrive died and I istalled a brand nw WD 500 gb HD was to install Ubuntu and then with an operating system in place on the hard drive, rinstall Vista and then 7
[06:22] <bethdo97> It worked fine that way with Vista but when I added 7 it freaked out andd eliiminated the Ubuntu access and despite trying to get the windows bootloader or the Grub2 one to acknowledge the other oS, It didn't want to
[06:24] <madsailor> bethdo97,  when you installed 7 it would have overwritten the MBR
[06:24] <madsailor> your win7 is an upgrade disk built upon vista?
[06:24] <madsailor> not a straight win7?
[06:25] <bethdo97> madsailor: yes it is
[06:26] <bethdo97> madsailor: I know that but  found instructions on how to add ubuntu back to the MBR by fixing Grub2
[06:27] <madsailor> bethdo97, yes, that should be all you need to do
[06:29] <bethdo97> What I was thinking about trying was to go into the partitioner in the Live CD and deleting the partition assigned to Ubuntu right now, add that back to the partition assigned to be th storage device and then recreate the ubuntu partition from the space assigned to storage, reinsttall ubuntu andd then fix the grub2 loader
[06:30] <bethdo97> madsailor: In looking at the partitiion info under Windows the HD is actually divided into 4 parts because I forgot about the space assigned too the Linnux swap when I originally instaalled Ubuntu
[06:30] <madsailor> bethdo97, that will erase the ubuntu you have installed and will require a complete reinstall of ubuntu
[06:33] <bethdo97> madsailor: I know that but ssince the instructions I found about fixing th Grub2 inteerface, startt with  boot to Live desktop and using terminal to enter a command about the Ubuntu and I can't get to the live desktop I figured I would have to ge one more step and reinstal the whole shooting matchh.  Besides when I reinstall Ubuuntu won't I have to edit something so I can get  both Win7 & Ubuntu to show on bootup sso that he
[06:35] <bethdo97> I don't have much other than the basic program installed yet on the Ubuntu patition because I didn't want to waste the time setting up Ubuntu with the extras just incase soomethig happened when I installed Windows 7
[06:36] <madsailor> bethdo97, If you really want to start ubuntu from scratch you can, I don't know why you can't boot into the live cd desktop
[06:37] <madsailor> when you boot from the cd does it come up with a list of options ....install to hd, run from this cd etc?
[06:37] <bethdo97> I figure it has somethin to do with the updated drivers for display that were installed when I installed Windows 7
[06:38] <madsailor> bethdo97, are you booting from the CD or inserting it while in windows?
[06:39] <bethdo97> madsailor: Yes I get to that screen, and after selecting the try button, it starts to finish booting, a black screen comes up and says something about failed to lload i915 and then flashes a muxed color screen then goes to the terminal pprompt
[06:39] <bethdo97> Booting fro the CD
[06:40] <bioterror> intel <3
[06:41] <bioterror> seems to be problems with GMA900
[06:42] <madsailor> ok...you should be able to do all you need from the CLI, you don't need the GUI
[06:45] <madsailor> bethdo97, I'm guessing you are already working from this page:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[06:47] <madsailor> bethdo97, the guide really just uses the live CD to get to the CLI/terminal.  So even if you don't have the GUI you can do what you need with grub
[06:52] <bethdo97> madsailor: I rebooted the system with the live C and the error that showedup was somthing about failing to query the uvc filter and failing to load the i915 driver
[06:55] <madsailor> bethdo97, that's a video issue.  you should be able to do all you need from the CLI
[06:56] <madsailor> even if the GUI isn't loading
[06:58] <bethdo97> madsailor: Ok  selected install Ubuntu and when the preparing to install screen comes up th first 2 things have a check but there is an x in terms of connected to the internnet
[06:59] <madsailor> bethdo97, so you have given up on trying to reinstall grub and plan on reinstalling ubuntu?
[06:59] <bethdo97> Can I move forward and conect to internet once  have fixed the partitions
[07:00] <madsailor> bethdo97, you're kind of moving in 2 directions here at the same time
[07:01] <bethdo97> madsailor: Yes, the help file made a comment on problems that occur when attempting to install Windows 7 update to a drive where Ubuntu 10.04 and Vista weree already residing
[07:02] <bethdo97> It  suggested reformatting the Ubuntu Partition and then reinstalling Ubuntu so that was where  was going to go with this.  Their othr option was to to use the WUBI and  install buntu as a program in Windows 7.  This 2nd option is not an option as ffar as I am conccerned
[07:03] <gunndawg> madsailor: didnt see ya sneak in here, how is ya this evening ?
[07:04] <bethdo97> madsailor: I am looking at it from the standpointt that the fix  grub option is not really an option and that I will have to fix the file architecture of the HD first to get everything to cohabitate
[07:05] <bethdo97> madsailor: Will the not connected to the internet be an issue or will I be able to get that connected as I go thru the Ubuntu setup screens?
[07:07] <madsailor> bethdo97, sounds good.  I would say get your win 7 and music etc partitions set (which I'm guessing they are ) then remove the linux partition while in windows so that it is listed as empty space, and then start the ubuntu install.  You can tell it to partition the free space for it's own use when you install
[07:08] <madsailor> Hi gunndawg . blue pill or red?
[07:09] <gunndawg> madsailor, blue
[07:10] <bethdo97> madsailor: Ok here goes nothing; wil close this window to bottom of screen on my laptop while I work on this andwill return whenn I am done
[07:10] <madsailor> bethdo97,  good luck
[07:11] <Ten-Eight> hehehe
[07:11] <Ten-Eight> hey madsailor and gunndawg
[07:11] <gunndawg> madsailor, im still rockin the matrix theme :)
[07:11] <gunndawg> hey Ten-Eight
[07:11] <bethdo97> madsailor: What does the opption Revert do in the disk partitioning partt of the install?
[07:11] <Ten-Eight> howdy
[07:13] <madsailor> bethdo97,  good question, it's been a while since I've done an install, and that's an IMPORTANT step.  best look at ubuntu support pages or ask in #ubuntu
[07:14] <madsailor> Ten-Eight, gunndawg it's a reunion. funny (though we should chat in #ubuntu-offtopic if it's not directly 'buntu related)
[07:15] <gunndawg> madsailor: will see ya there :)
[07:55] <bethdo97> how do you exit from the terminal?
[07:55] <bethdo97> so I can reboot the computer
[08:01] <bethdo97> how do you exit from the terminal
[08:02] <geirha> You mean how to reboot from the console?
[08:02] <geirha> sudo shutdown -r now
[08:03] <geirha> (instead of now, you can give a number of minutes it should wait, and warn other users, before rebooting)
[08:06] <geirha> Or do you want to switch from console to your logged in X session? If so Ctrl+Alt F7  (or F8 or F9, it depends a bit)
[08:12] <JackyAlcine> geriha: sudo reboot works as well, and a bit more direct.
[08:15] <geirha> Yeah, reboot basicly just runs shutdown -r now
[08:15] <JackyAlcine> Or is it the other way around? o.O
[10:17] <gunndawg> Does anyone know how to scroll the user list in weechat ?
[10:19] <Puck`> page up?
[10:19] <Puck`> at least in irssi that's how you do it ..
[10:19] <gunndawg> naw, that just scrolls the chat
[10:19] <gunndawg> not the user list
[10:19] <Puck`> ohhh my mistake, there's no user list in irssi haha
[10:19] <Puck`> sorry
[10:19] <gunndawg> right, I used to use irssi
[10:22] <gunndawg> Puck`: F12 scrolls the list down, but no F command scrolls it up, you would think F11 would
[10:24] <bioterror> http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_user.en.html#key_bindings_buffers_windows
[10:26] <Puck`> haha, that's weird (:
[10:26] <gunndawg> indeed
[10:26] <Puck`> the main reason I use irssi, is because it doesn't have a nick list (:
[10:26] <Puck`> /names is enough
[10:26] <Puck`> hellou bioterror (:
[10:26] <bioterror> hi
[10:27] <bioterror> yeah, I've disabled that whole nicklist
[10:27] <bioterror> horrible that is ,)
[11:15] <gunndawg> does anyone know how to change the terminal key bindings? I need to make it so F11 does not fullscreen
[11:15] <bioterror> gunndawg, sudo apt-get install rxvt-unicode
[11:16] <gunndawg> bioterror: ok thats installed
[11:16] <bioterror> urxvt is teh command
[11:17] <gunndawg> ok that opened another terminal like window
[11:17] <bioterror> yep
[11:17] <bioterror> and use it :D
[11:17] <gunndawg> bioterror: maybe you mis understood my question
[11:18] <bioterror> gunndawg, easier to use real terminal instead of some with horrible bindings
[11:18] <gunndawg> I want to un-bind F11 to terminal
[11:18] <gunndawg> bioterror: I use weechat which is a text based/terminal based irc client
[11:18] <bioterror> guess what: I'm using it too!
[11:19] <bioterror> and I use rxvt-unicode
[11:19] <gunndawg> so you dont know how to change the key bindings for ubuntu termindal ?
[11:19] <gunndawg> terminal*
[11:19] <bioterror> I just gave a less resource hungry kick ass application which does the same
[11:20] <bioterror> +you
[11:20] <gunndawg> bioterror: I understand that but i want to continue using what I have
[11:20] <bioterror> and you should have working keybindings
[11:20] <gunndawg> I just want to modify my termindal keybindings which was my original question
[11:23] <bioterror> could possible be right click on the terminal
[11:23] <bioterror> somekind of menu should appear
[11:23] <gunndawg> yeah
[11:25] <bioterror> but you should give urxvt a try ;)
[11:26] <gunndawg> I fixed it with terminal, but thank you :)
[11:26] <bioterror> I can remember that when copying stuff from irc to somewhere, that nicklist added it's stuff to pastings
[11:26] <bioterror> one reason why I never didnt like to have it
[11:27] <bioterror> maybe it's okay if you press ctrl+alt while copying text
[11:27] <gunndawg> yeah, thats a bother, but oh well, I tried launching weechat in urxvt but it failed and gave errors
[12:17] <JackyAlcine> paultag: Just so you know; I plan on contacting VoxForge once more regarding automated uploads and I'll ask them about licensing and mention the Creative Commons license.
[12:38] <bethdo97>  I am installing 10.10 x386 versioin on a computer with Win 7 already instaled.  I do not want to use wubi .   want to install as a dual OS system. I have a partition picked out to put the instal on but what do  want to pick as the mount point?
[12:38] <bethdo97> ExT4 is the correct file ssystem right?
[12:38] <zkriesse> cprofitt: Good..me and phillw have to talk to you
[12:39] <MrChrisDruif> bethdo97: If you don't want to make a separate partition for you files (which should get /home mountpoint) then you'd only have that partition root (which is the / mountpoint)
[12:39] <MrChrisDruif> bethdo97: And indeed Ext4 is a good FS
[12:40] <MrChrisDruif> Btw.....hai bethdo97 :)
[12:43] <bethdo97> zkriesse: Wanted to thank you for all the help you gave getting my son's laptop functioning now I want to do the samething on mine
[12:44] <zkriesse> bethdo97: Well thanks for the compliment...didn't think I helped all that much to be honest
[12:44] <zkriesse> Glad to know my brain isn't completely fried out!
[12:48] <cprofitt> zkriesse: ok.
[12:48] <cprofitt> what is up?
[12:48] <zkriesse> cprofitt: Thanks
[12:48] <bethdo97> i have a hard drive on mine that had mintt as the ist OS and Win7 64bit aas the second.  Want to reformat 1st part and make thatmy ubuntu area.  2nd partition is WIn7 3rd part is Win Vista that I have tto keep on my system because they have not upgraded to windows at work System currently boots to win7 unless a 3 key input is received to get it to Vista.  Want to get rid of the Mint install on 1st partition reformat the area
[12:49] <bethdo97> Currently whe the system boots up to Win 7 this partition is ignoredd completely by Windows since it is formaatted as eXT 3
[12:50] <MrChrisDruif> Boot system with CD and select the first partition for installation ;)
[14:54] <trinikrono_> #join ubuntu
[14:54] <trinikrono_> :D
[15:01] <MrChrisDruif> -o^
[15:45] <guspur> assalam mualaikum
[15:46] <guspur> good nite all
[16:32] <javatexan> ive been given a pdf file that is setup with input fields, is there a viewer that allows you to update and save your changes?  The one I tried, I can make changes but they dont seem to save to file
[16:32] <javatexan> i am currently in Document Viewer 2.32.0
[16:34] <geirha> Hm. They might be Adobe extensions, in which case Adobe Reader might be your best bet. I'm merely guessing though.
[16:35] <javatexan> k thak
[16:35] <javatexan> thanks.
[18:15] <johnny77> I not getting any sound.
[18:16] <johnny77> I installed cmus and it was playing, but had no sound. Then I checked rhythmbox and it is the same.
[18:21] <ibuclaw> johnny77, has it worked before ? :)
[18:23] <bioterror> johnny77, check from your mixer that you have not muted anything
[18:23] <bioterror> also it's a good thing to check device
[18:24] <bioterror> my mother-in-law had similar case
[18:24] <johnny77> ibuclaw: yes
[18:24] <johnny77> bioterror: how do I check the mixer?
[18:27] <ibuclaw> johnny77, audio indicator -> sound preferences
[18:28] <ibuclaw> failing that, sometimes I find that it's actually turned off in alsamixer
[18:28] <aveilleux> +1 ibuclaw
[18:32] <bioterror> lubuntu actually misses that kind of mixer
[18:32] <johnny77> There is no audio indicator in the system tray if that is what you are referring to. Also I know fluxbox itself does not control this, but could something not be loaded because I am running fluxbox?
[18:33] <aveilleux> johnny77: Open Terminal and run "alsamixer"
[18:33] <holstein> johnny77: you tried alsamixer?
[18:33] <holstein> aveilleux: hehe :)
[18:33] <aveilleux> holstein: SNAKED
[18:34] <johnny77> aveilleux: alsamixer opened master and pcm are full and beep is empty.
[18:35] <bioterror> johnny77, is there any MM letters in master and pcm
[18:36] <bioterror> MM = muted, OO = non-mute
[18:36] <johnny77> bioterror: yes, under master is mm.
[18:36] <bioterror> press m
[18:37] <johnny77> feels stupid... sorry for such a dumb question. I should have checked to see if it was muted.
[18:37] <bioterror> yep
[18:37] <bioterror> sometimes stupid things doesnt come in mind first
[18:37] <aveilleux> johnny77: It's not obvious
[18:37] <bioterror> johnny77, sudo alsactl store
[18:46] <thales> Hello;  Nautilus file manager does not display / recognize recent files backed up on back-up HD (format: Ext4) using 'rsync -a'. However terminal command 'ls' shows all files.  Why?
[18:47] <major_trini> refreshing it does not help? thales
[18:47] <thales> nope
[18:48] <thales> The file manager shows all files on primary disk drive but not on backup drive
[18:48] <major_trini> thales: if you umount and stuff?
[18:49] <thales> I will try to unmount and mount...
[18:51] <thales> No success with unmount/ mount
[18:52] <major_trini> what are you seeing in nautilus?
[18:52] <major_trini> maybe it can be permissions thing thales
[18:53] <major_trini> did you chmod the folder its in
[18:59] <major_trini> thales: any success?
[19:28] <thales> major_trini, I will try.. However, Nautilus seemed to have access since the original backup files are shown.
[19:29]  * CensoredBiscuit is away: Oh baby, theres a shark in the water
[19:39] <thales> major_trini checked permissions 'ls -l' and all should be displayed.
[19:41] <thales> However, noted an phantom drive: media/disk2 {and the following phantom} media/disk2_
[19:42] <thales> For all who are just joining: The file manager shows all files on primary disk drive but not on backup drive
[19:43] <thales> Re-capture:  Nautilus file manager does not display / recognize recent files backed up on back-up HD (format: Ext4) using 'rsync -a'. However terminal command 'ls' shows all files.  Why?
[19:44] <thales> I checked permissions 'ls -l' and all should be displayed.
[19:46] <thales> I believe that the file manager Nautilus is displaying the phantom disk drive disk2_
[19:55] <jezz> hi, anyone can help me please with disk idle time, ubuntu 10.10, i have install laptop-tools, but disks are going up and down very quickly
[19:56] <jezz> if they power up I want to leave them powered up for some time before they power down again
[19:57] <nlsthzn> jezz: have you checked the settings in Power Management?
[22:22] <tronyx> what's fun and exciting?
[22:23] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm...the end of IPv4 range? :P
[22:24] <tronyx> hasn't that been the harbinger for the past 4 years?
[22:24] <tronyx> *of doom
[22:27] <MrChrisDruif> Please join -team :)
[23:11] <johnny77> join /#ubuntu
[23:25] <ikt> tronyx, yup but now it's time :))
[23:25] <ikt> also not the harbinger of doom
[23:25] <ikt> just something that needs to happen
[23:25] <ikt> but my country is switching to FTTH so we all get new modems which are ipv6 anyway
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> ftth?
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> ikt: ^
[23:30] <ikt> fiber to the home
[23:30] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome :D
[23:30] <ikt> oh yeah
[23:31] <ikt> 100mbit connections here we come :D
[23:31] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[23:32] <botcity> jealous much ! yeah me too !
[23:33] <ikt> :P
[23:33] <hajour> we go have that to possible this year if i have understand correct
[23:33] <hajour> where i live
[23:35] <gunndawg> Hey does linux use less battery on a laptop than say windows 7 ?
[23:35] <gunndawg> obviously a lot of variables involved, but overall?
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> Windows got contracts with hardware manufacturers and can design better energy regulating software....so...it's about the same....for some better, some worse :)
[23:37] <yofel> by default I would say a bit worse, but using powertop you can tweak that a bit
[23:37] <gunndawg> ah ok
[23:38] <yofel> well, you can tweak it at many places, put powertop is the best place to start
[23:38] <gunndawg> powertop doesnt look like anything I should be messing with based on the screenshots of it that I am looking at
[23:39] <gunndawg> yikes
[23:39] <gunndawg> I cant even get weechat set up like I'd like it
[23:39] <gunndawg> lol
[23:39] <yofel> powertop won't do anything that a reboot won't revert
[23:40] <gunndawg> yofel: ah ko
[23:40] <gunndawg> ok*
[23:40] <yofel> if anything, just starting it without telling it to do anything will tell you the current power usage and what's causing most cpu wakeups
[23:44] <gunndawg> alright I got powertop runnin
[23:45] <gunndawg> yofel, how do I run powertop as root from the terminal?
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> sudo powertop ?
[23:46] <nhandler> Could I possibly get some help figuring out why a symlink in a userdir (apache2) pointed to a folder on an external drive (mounted via sshfs) is not shown in an apache directory listing? I think all of the permissions are set to allow apache to access them
[23:47] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: thx, now powertop is displaying more info, though im not sure I know how to read this, lol
[23:47] <gunndawg> Top causes for wakeups:
[23:47] <bodyeuh> how about sudo ./powertop
[23:47] <gunndawg>   22.3% (164.0)   [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick
[23:47] <gunndawg>   18.8% (138.6)D  chromium-browse
[23:47] <gunndawg>   15.0% (110.4)   [ath9k] <interrupt>
[23:47] <gunndawg>   10.4% ( 76.6)   [i915@pci:0000:00:02.0] <interrupt>
[23:47] <gunndawg>    9.9% ( 72.9)   wineserver
[23:47] <gunndawg>    6.7% ( 49.1)   alsa-sink
[23:48] <yofel> well, it means that the kernel itself and chromium-browser are the largest reasons why your CPU is actually doing something
[23:49] <yofel> followed by your wireless driver and graphics driver
[23:49] <gunndawg> yofel: ah ok
[23:49] <yofel> the C states you see above are the sleep states the CPU can enter
[23:49] <yofel> the larget the number the less power the CPU uses
[23:49] <yofel> the list you see are the resons why the CPU isn't in the deepest sleep state
[23:50] <gunndawg> hm alright
[23:50] <yofel> if your AC is connected you'll see a line with "no ACPI power usage estimate available"
[23:51] <gunndawg> yeah its plugged in,
[23:51] <yofel> once you plug it out it'll change to "Power usage (ACPI estimate): 29.1W (3.5 hours)"
[23:52] <yofel> so you'll know if your tweaks actually have an effect in real time ;)
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: try to use paste.ubuntu.com for multiline replies
[23:52] <gunndawg> I unplugged it and it says:
[23:52] <gunndawg> Power usage (ACPI estimate): 12.2W (3.1 hours)
[23:52] <yofel> that sounds like a netbook ^^
[23:52] <gunndawg> nope, laptop
[23:52] <yofel> ah, then you obviously have less running than me
[23:52] <gunndawg> though this particular laptop is known for having a bad battery life
[23:53] <gunndawg> unfortunately
[23:56] <gunndawg> if and when I get enough money I might consider selling this one and getting something else
[23:56] <gunndawg> though I dont want something way overboard that cost $2000, heh
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> gunndawg: Not? ;)
[23:59] <gunndawg> MrChrisDruif: what do ya mean ?