[05:52] jcastro: around? [05:52] jcastro: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nigelbabu/sets/72157625818416551/ [05:53] there, It did happen :p [07:31] good morning [07:50] morning dholbach :) [07:50] do we have any news of kim0 yet? [07:53] hi nigelb [07:53] I didn't hear anything yet [07:54] but I don't know if somebody else got in touch with him [07:54] Ahh. [07:59] * nigelb waves to ara and dpm [07:59] morning dpm, nigelb [07:59] good morning everyone [07:59] hola ara, hola dpm [07:59] hey ara, morning nigelb [07:59] hey dholbach :) [08:00] :) [08:00] hey dholbach [08:57] Aloha [09:01] morning czajkowski! [09:04] dpm: howdy doody ? [09:05] czajkowski, doing well, fine. I'm actually reading about Celtic languages, as the Scottish Gaelic team just applied for translating Ubuntu and I wanted to know more about them :) [09:07] oh good for them [09:07] that is great [09:08] yeah, so we've now got all of the modern Celtic languages represented: Irish, Manx and Scottish Gaelic [09:08] what is Manx ? [09:14] czajkowski, the variant spoken in the Isle of Man [09:16] ahh ok [09:16] didn't know that [09:36] dpm: and welsh [09:36] if that counts as celtic, I think it does [09:38] AlanBell, good point, it does, although it seems to come from another branch [09:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goidelic_languages [09:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_language [09:38] We've got people interested in creating a Cornish translation group too [09:39] Facebook has an option where you can change language ot priate english [09:39] Total fun [09:39] *pirate [09:40] is there really that much ofan interest though, I know back home that's a massive interst, only a handful of people want to see Irish, but the majority of people think we should just use English and forget about it on a pc [09:41] actually, before I joined Canonical there was a UDS session discussing how to add support for pirate English in Launchpad :) [09:41] heh [09:41] dpm: that should've been fun :p [09:41] it's nowadays even possible, but it wasn't at the time [09:41] Ubuntu in pirate English [09:41] would give a whole meaning to "Ubuntu is now pirated!" [09:42] nods [09:42] haha [09:42] Problem with Irish for example is not everyone has the standard needed to translate it and the ones that do the majoority, do not have any interest in seeing it on an os [09:43] dpm: can we officially request pirate english as a language? I could so contribute to that... [09:43] jussi: UDS-O session. Launchpad and Ubuntu in priate english [09:43] jussi, here's how -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam [09:43] There'd be too much crowd :p [09:44] But you know, what's the iso standard for pirate english? [09:44] haha [09:44] dpm: oh wow... :D [09:44] * jussi thinks about it... [09:44] czajkowski, well, it's a way of keeping the language alive and use it normally on a PC in the same way you'd use it for other things in everyday life [09:46] dpm: I'm not sure using it on a pc though is a way to keep it alive though :( so kinda torn tbh. I know there is a need especially to keep the Irish language alive. It's a lovely langauge and I'm not that great at it, but would hate to see it die out. [09:47] My god daughter studies all of her subjects though Irish, that means, science, history, georgraphy, maths etc is all done through Irish, except her Computer class .... [09:47] so why should the PC be different? [09:48] windows. [09:49] I found it odd also, I know the refer to the machine in irish, like turn it on, or log on [09:49] or refer to the printer [09:50] czajkowski: I can associate with that. [09:50] We have the same situation in India. [09:50] well, if translations are odd in Windows, they can make them better in Ubuntu! :) [09:52] indeed [09:53] nigelb, ah, to answer your question, the pirate English language code would probably be en@pirate (that's in GNU libc format) [09:53] Yeah, I was surprised to see Ubuntu in my mother tongue :) [09:53] dpm: wow, we'are all geeks :p [09:54] of course [09:55] nigelb, I know I asked you before, but what was your mother tongue, I can't remember? [09:56] dpm: Malayalam. [09:57] ahh, yeah [09:59] :) [10:18] Morning [10:22] hey popey! [11:38] dholbach, if I want to add a session to UDW, shall I just go and add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek? [11:39] dpm, yes please :) [11:39] okie dokie! [11:39] dpm: want some tweeting done re UDW ? [11:40] czajkowski, sure! dholbach is organizing it, he'd be the one to retweet on this one [11:40] sorry tab completion feckup [11:40] dholbach: want some tweet love re udw [11:40] :) [11:40] yeah, I think I'd tweet it as soon as the schedule is set [11:40] ok [11:41] wow, UDW is coming up? [11:41] if you know of someone who's interested or know a topic that'd be interesting or can think of somebody who should be on there, just talk to them and let me know [11:43] dholbach, ok, added a session. Let me know if there is anything else I need to do [11:43] thanks a lot dpm [11:48] any signe of kim0 ? [11:49] s/of/from [11:59] daker, dpm, jcastro: I just called Ahmed on his mobile - he's fine, his friends and family as well [12:00] dholbach, fantastic \o/ [12:00] dholbach: \o/ [12:00] His cellphone is working! Great :) [12:01] internet outage continues, I told him that there's supposed to be one internet provider continuing service and he confirmed that there's a rumour about that, so he'll try to get in touch with them (I guess half the country is trying to sign up with them), he'll see how things go [12:04] dholbach, thanks [12:32] 'lo all [12:34] hey duanedesign [12:34] duanedesign: why do I feel like I haven't talked to you in a while [12:35] http://www.mymobile.co.in/index.php/national-news/312-ubuntu-developer-day-counts-over-350-in-attendance [12:36] dpm: didn't ya read your daily dose of planet today? [12:36] ;) [12:36] you're right, I didn't yet :) [12:36] heh [12:38] nigelb: might be :) I have been afk more then usual. Still tryting to find work. [12:39] nice report nigelb :) [12:39] dpm: :) [12:39] duanedesign: Ahhh. [12:41] been glued to the tv a lot lately too watching this Tunisia/Egypt intifada. [12:42] really interesting. Glad Ahmed is doing well [12:44] duanedesign: what kind of work are you looking for? [12:49] jussi: I have done graphic design for many years. Last few years i have been doing more web production. [12:51] would love to do some python work, but not a lot of demand for that were i am [12:51] 4 [12:52] duanedesign: you'd pick that up easily as a contractor I suspect [12:52] I saw a lot of it when I was job hunting [12:53] * duanedesign nods [12:54] yeah i only have a couple weeks of savings left so I have to get busy finding something :) [12:54] duanedesign: try and search for contract work [12:54] and don#'t ;limit yourself to USA try EU., as you contract many dont care where you work [12:55] +1 [12:55] good idea thank you [12:55] duanedesign: have you a company/sole trader identity? and where are you based? [12:58] duanedesign: np [13:00] jussi: I am in the U.S. Tulsa,Oklahoma [13:00] famous for....well nothing :) [13:00] oh, garth brooks :P [13:01] he's pretty cool === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:22] http://picasaweb.google.com/mhall119/UDSN#5535477123335847330 [16:22] hahaha awesome [16:26] :) [16:28] jcastro: o/ [16:30] jcastro: did you see the pics? ;) [16:30] i did! [16:30] :D [16:31] poor sense could not walk the next day [16:31] and went to bed early that night he was shattered [16:31] it was amusing! [16:37] hey czajkowski [16:38] jcastro: ello ello :) [16:38] for Russia is it one team for the country or is it like the US? [16:38] jcastro: well only USA does it that way [16:38] i see a Russian team [16:38] but I see other teams in like St. Petersburgh [16:38] Brazil kinda do somethhing under team brazil [16:38] ahem, UK [16:38] UK comes under UK [16:38] Wales [16:38] (which is within the UK), is ubuntu-cym [16:38] Ireland comes under ireland, france, Spain breakd down a bit [16:38] popey: heh, don't remind me [16:39] so it's not just the USA [16:39] popey: how about active teams [16:39] not just an irc channel :( [16:39] There is the united kingdom and then there is the divided kingdom :p [16:39] they are active [16:39] ok, so I'll recommend to this guy to approach the russian team [16:39] they had an event last week [16:39] and then if he wants something to do locally he can just rock it [16:39] aye [16:39] jcastro: how Italy, france and others do it [16:42] http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bashkortosan&qscrl=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl [16:42] I got an email from this dude [16:42] I have never heard of bashkortosan [16:43] I sent him towards the russian team [16:43] erm, you sent a mail in English? [16:44] it's odd, every once in a while Claire Newman gets mails from people wanting to do all sorts of things so she forwards them to me [16:44] well, his mail was in english [16:44] jcastro: you can tell her to forward them to the loco council if you like [16:44] ok, there should be english speaking people on the list then [16:44] czajkowski: it's ok I use it as an opportunity to stay on her good side. :) [16:44] heh [16:44] no worries [17:12] czajkowski: I would agree that -cym is an active loco and had an event [17:12] I wasn't massively impressed at the response I had when I inquired how the event went though [17:13] morning all [17:13] ohhh paultag [17:13] * czajkowski hugs paultag [17:14] AlanBell: they gave a talk, had videos/photos taken etc? [17:14] * paultag hugs czajkowski [17:14] oh the event was good, no doubt popey [17:14] was someone else in the channel [17:15] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/ [17:15] can someone click on that? [17:16] *click* [17:16] It should NOT let you submit for sponsorship [17:16] it let me [17:16] "Thanks very much for requesting sponsorship to uds-o. If you have any queries about your request, please e-mail jorge@ubuntu.com. [17:16] " [17:17] ok [17:17] someone try now [17:17] Thanks very much for requesting sponsorship to uds-o. If you have any queries about your request, please e-mail jorge@ubuntu.com. [17:17] you can back this out right? [17:17] yeah I can just delete them [17:17] bah [17:17] that site is broken [17:17] I can't logout [17:17] ok, because I might not have entered my real dietary requirements [17:18] it's ok I'm just testing [17:18] "dinosaur meat only" [17:19] ok [17:19] try now [17:19] yeah, I'm on a special beer only diet [17:20] still works for me [17:23] looks like a bug [17:23] * jcastro is off to summit [17:24] still works, this time I was a breathairian [17:25] I flew in from American Samoa [17:46] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow! [17:46] night dholbach [17:47] bye nigelb [18:04] \o/ we will have Belgian "Tux" Chocolates at FOSDEM :-) [18:11] AlanBell: can you link me up to your mailing list post with your proposed solution to the moin problem? [18:11] I can't seem to find the original post. :-/ [18:12] https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-November/001084.html [18:12] ta [18:16] apparently someone has been tasked with testing an upgrade in a VM, I have no idea whether there has been any progress made [18:20] jcastro, let's roll [18:20] all ready! [18:21] jcastro: was there anything specific you were going to do with the mail? [18:21] just point it out to someone who was complaining about the wiki [18:22] ok [18:54] doctormo: ping [18:54] jcastro: pong [18:54] how's your gimp skills? [18:55] jcastro: Good, what do you need? [18:55] I need updated version of these 4 images: [18:55] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/ [18:55] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/upstreams/ [18:55] http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/vendors/ [18:55] and http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/community/ [18:56] with the newer wallpaper [18:56] Do you have the originals? Or the new wallpaper (natty or maverick wallpaper?) [18:57] I do not have the originals [18:58] Personally I like http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Natty-Wallpaper-Aubergine-Back-1.png minus the narwhals [18:58] sure [18:58] yeah, minus the narwhals [18:58] jcastro: Not a problem, it's just text with a background. [18:58] * jcastro nods [18:58] thanks, I don't have an eye for GIMP [19:00] jcastro: hey, man -- I can't remember that guy's name who we had lunch with. He does ARM work. Dan? Dave? D* [19:01] david mandala [19:01] that's the one [19:01] thanks jcastro. I need to send him some mail [19:11] jcastro: Done, next time think of something hard: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/jcastro/ [19:11] <3 [19:12] OK so there'll be text changes, but since I redid them in inkscape and they're all svgs, I figure it's now trivial to update. [19:12] what do you mean? [19:13] dates are wrong [19:13] http://uds.ubuntu.com/travel/ [19:13] oh noes [19:13] here are the updated ones [19:13] and can you tack on a ",Budapest, Hungary" at the end of the date strings? [19:14] jcastro: Yes, I did exact replication so we could update the details together. [19:15] ok so how's that work? [19:16] sorry I am totally skill-dumb in this area [19:18] jcastro: It's done, what I needed is what you gave me. Details and corrections. [19:19] I'll leave these files open for another 10 minutes or so so you can review. You may want to update the language for instance. [19:19] (ftp is taking a second hang on) [19:19] the language is perfect, just the date [19:20] oh I see what you did there! [19:20] All uploaded [19:25] Hey paultag, when are you next in town? Boston is boring without you [19:27] sweet, gonna grab some chow and then replace them [19:33] doctormo: soon :) [19:33] doctormo: I'll let you know [19:34] doctormo: I might start interviewing, so if I come back for a job interview, I'll be sure to pen you in ;) [19:34] paultag: Pencil me in, you know how busy I get ;-) [19:35] doctormo: ;) [19:38] paultag: Is Ohio anywhere near Milwakie? [19:39] doctormo: kinda sorta [19:39] not super close, but not that far [19:40] I should be near there in a few months for the Discworld convention. (I hope) I'll be doing some colourist stuff. [19:40] doctormo: oh, cool :) [19:40] doctormo: it's about 7 hours away or so, so might be a bit too far [19:40] paultag: 7 hours is only 3 hours by bicycle. [19:41] doctormo: motorbike? ;) [19:43] paultag: No, peddle bike, you were saying it's 7 hours on foot right? because I work with feet by default. [19:43] doctormo: hehehe. Not when it's 7 hours away. 400 some odd miles. [19:44] paultag: 400 miles isn't 7 hours away, that's more like 120 hours away for a fast walker, what sort of person do you know that can walk at 50 miles per hour? [19:44] doctormo: after an hour the walking metric is bumped to driving [19:45] doctormo: after all, who the heck walks 3 hours away [19:45] that's like 20 minutes driving [19:45] paultag: Er, me. [19:45] * paultag shrugs [19:45] God, Americans! strike them down before they do any more harm to themselves and others! [19:46] doctormo: if we had a public transit system, we'd not be forced to use autos [19:46] but our goverment is stpuid [19:46] Sure, but you're not forced to specify miles either. as a metric hours per nothing is fairly shit. [19:46] and thinks that bombs serve us better then a damn train [19:47] lol, don't they? bombs get you to where your going ;-) heaven! [19:47] heh [19:47] yeah, i'm not the biggest fan of the US [19:48] I need to go to Germany [19:48] In England we have these alternate wacky metrics. For instance 400 miles could be "It's almost all the way to Aberdeen!" [19:48] heh [19:50] I think if there was one thing, after the creation of food-like substance abuse, that I dislike. It's the x hours away saying. It's so arrogant to assume everyone drives. [19:50] doctormo: no, it's scale [19:50] doctormo: saying 5 minutes away is walking [19:50] doctormo: 20 is on bike [19:50] doctormo: 40 is by car [19:51] doctormo: anything more then 10 is by plane [19:51] doctormo: if it's in an odd meety space ( 5 hours ) then you specify ( flyting, driving ) [19:52] That's not true paultag, I've head people say something is 5 mins away by car, I've heard them say somethign is 20 hours away by car too. [19:52] doctormo: exactly [19:52] doctormo: 5 minutes by car, not just 5 minutes [19:52] doctormo: or we'd assume walking [19:52] No, they just say 'it's five minutes away' [19:52] doctormo: or 20 hours by car, not the assumed flying [19:53] And assume [19:53] doctormo: naw, I assume walking or biking [19:53] but anything more then 40 minutes or so, I think driving [19:53] paultag: You're obviously different in a really weird way. [19:53] doctormo: perhaps [19:53] Why not just use real measurements? [19:54] doctormo: because I like my pattern better, it usually works [19:54] you also need to specify the environment of course... ;) [19:54] +1 JanC :) [19:54] It's more direct, doesn't assume the recipient is middle class and respects them for understanding basic maths. [19:54] see in germany, you have the train metric as well [19:54] in the city center, 5 min walking might be 20 min driving (if you include finding a parking space) :P [19:54] so you can push the car metric back, and up the train metric between [19:54] +1 JanC [19:54] so, let's fit this to a log curve [19:55] population / 1000 or so vs time offset metric [19:55] I suggest always mentioning the used means of transport and the cirumstances ;) [19:55] Defactoid, lets just say that I will ignore 'hours away' unless you're expressing time. [19:59] OK, and I'm off to class [19:59] much love [20:00] thanks paultag, much love. [20:07] jcastro, there seems to be a bug on https://uds.ubuntu.com/ where the date and venue on the front page disappears with some of the images [20:07] can you check into it? [20:07] I am in the middle of refreshing the images [20:07] give me like 5 minutes and it should be sorted [20:08] thanks! [20:12] jcastro: We are not currently accepting sponsorship applications for {{ summit.name }} in {{ summit.location }}. Please check back again later! <-- good? [20:12] perfect [20:14] uggh.. still dont like not having bug control access to summit [20:14] heh [20:47] paultag: what was that javascript data format you were moaning on at me to use instead of yaml? [20:57] doctormo: json I guess [20:57] JanC: That's the one. [20:57] thanks [20:57] recent Pythons have support for it built-in [20:58] I've realized that if I want other developers to help me, I have to use the in-fad technologies. :-/ [20:58] doctormo: your glade bug is fixed in upstream trunk BTW ;) [20:58] JanC: great, thanks for reporting that. [21:00] if it's just for configuration files, YAML should be fine? [21:02] seems like most languages support YAML too [21:03] and YAML is older than JSON [21:03] IOW, JSON is NIH ;-) [21:04] * JanC goes into acronym overload [21:20] jcastro, http://uds.ubuntu.com/harassment is not found [21:21] * jcastro investigates [21:22] jono: you're missing an R [21:22] http://uds.ubuntu.com/harrassment/ [21:22] jcastro, ahhh I just clicked the link in the mail [21:23] oh, I'm a moron then [21:23] thanks for doing that! [21:23] just missing the local contact info [21:24] we could go live with it missing the information since there's no one in Budapest right now, but I figure wait the 24 hours to get the info before putting it in the footer [21:26] I am going to just share it with ubuntu-women and let them know the information will be online soon [21:26] thanks! [21:27] you know the https is borked? [21:28] You attempted to reach uds.ubuntu.com, but instead you actually reached a server identifying itself as design.canonical.com. [21:30] jcastro, ahhh you spelled harassment wrong [21:30] there is one r [21:30] I am fixing now [21:30] jono: If you guys are setting up uds, keep me in mind for further administration scripts. [21:30] ugh, I had it backwards [21:30] thanks doctormo! [21:30] jono: don't forget the URL too [21:30] I mean the title [21:31] jcastro, yeah, fixed [21:31] oh I see, the attachments had the misspelling [21:31] * jcastro zigs instead of zags [21:33] lol [21:33] all good now [21:35] aloomineeum [21:35] jono, jcastro: thanks for getting that up :) [21:36] not yet! [21:37] thanks pleia2 :-) [21:53] pleia2, you are a coder, right? [21:54] jono: sysadmin, I only code when I have to and it's mostly bash and perl [21:56] Has harrassment been a problem at UDS? I never seen a problem other than giving Jono crap aboit Metal (which is deserved:)) [21:56] Technoviking, hehe, a few isolated incidents [21:56] pleia2, ahhh, we are doing some dev testing next week [21:57] was wondering if you would like to participate? [21:57] jono: specifically? [21:57] pleia2, basically the Ubuntu developer stack and testing usability [21:57] we will as you to perform some simple tasks [21:58] and we will assess the usability of our tools [21:58] Technoviking: there were a few high-profile harassment incidents at tech conferences in 2010 that has led a push for policies throughout the foss (and general tech) world so attendees feel a bit safer and know they have a way to talk about incidents with organizers (or whomever can relay it to organizers) [22:00] jono: I'll have to pass this time, thanks for asking though :) [22:00] no worries, pleia2, thanks! [22:00] pleia2, if you know of anyone who might be interested, do let me know :-) [22:00] will do :) [22:01] :-) [22:02] jono: oh! you might want to ask akk (akkana peck) [22:04] pleia2, ooh good idea! [22:07] jcastro, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/first-drop-of-file-and-application-places-land-in-ubuntu-11-04/ :-) [22:08] I know, run for my money, my dash isn't working right though [22:08] ahhh [22:08] it appears for some people you just get an empy black box [22:12] nhandler: ^^ up there somewhere [22:12] :) [22:18] Pendulum: I've started this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/KeyboardShortcuts [22:26] * AlanBell pastes in -accessibility [22:31] jcastro: just had a look round uds.ubuntu.com, only issues I see now are the font and the https breakage [22:33]