[10:19] <gnomefreak> is it known that ctrl+alt++ does not work in chromeium or firefox
[10:20] <micahg> gnomefreak: what should they do?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> micahg: zoom
[10:20] <micahg> gnomefreak: no ALT in FF
[10:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: what about chrome?
[10:21]  * micahg checks quick
[10:21] <gnomefreak> ahhhh no alt
[10:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks, not sure why i was remembering alt
[10:21] <micahg> same as FF
[10:22] <gnomefreak> well it make everything but the font bigger
[10:23] <micahg> makes the text bigger for me, could be some pages aren't made to scale
[10:41] <gnomefreak> yeah it was the site i was on. any other site i just tried made text bigger
[10:58] <micahg> gnomefreak: yeah, any site that's not like that, will fail any accessibility test
[10:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:05] <gnomefreak> ok the 465 is supported but it does not list the 460 in supported nor legacy however the 460 go is listed under legacy
[11:06] <gnomefreak> please tell me i didnt spend $200 on an unsupported card
[11:06] <micahg> gnomefreak: I'd suggest going to nvidia's site and seeing which version driver is the current one for your model
[11:09] <gnomefreak> that would mean i need to know what driver nvidia-current is as well
[11:10] <gnomefreak> found it
[11:10] <gnomefreak> ok now nvidia site
[11:15] <gnomefreak> here is the list of supported and legacy drivers i am referring to http://paste.ubuntu.com/560569/ i also dont see galaxy cards
[11:16] <micahg> meh, I just plug in the model # and let it tell me which driver to use
[11:18] <gnomefreak> it looks like the 258 series driver
[11:19] <gnomefreak> Version:
[11:19] <gnomefreak> 258.96 WHQL
[11:19]  * micahg would guess that 260 would work then, but you can ask in #ubuntu-x to be sure
[11:21] <gnomefreak> im betting it is supported because it says they released the 460 in july of 2010. its kind of sad that a 6 month old driver is ~$200
[11:48]  * gnomefreak wonders if the ati card is worth running
[16:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: good morning
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg, how are you?
[16:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: fine
[16:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: janimo gave us the Thunderbird fix for breakpad, do you have time to throw it up? (alpha 2 freezes late tonight or early tomorrow) otherwise, I'll get to it before the freeze
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind, i can probably look at it later, but i'm trying to get moonlight SRU's sorted first
[16:23] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, well, it's good that we know the root cause of that now
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm glad too. it's a shame that moonlight takes ages to build though.
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> it's really time consuming testing the builds ;)
[16:25] <micahg> like everything else we work on :-/
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> heh
[16:28] <micahg> I have thunderbird-locales ready for natty, I'll upload shortly, I'll clean up the packaging sometime next month
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[16:37] <fta> hi
[16:37] <fta> chrisccoulson, do you have the crash fix for moonlight?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - uploaded to natty already (i just renamed the conflicting symbol)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm just doing the SRU's for karmic - maverick now
[16:38] <fta> chrisccoulson, excellent
[16:38] <micahg> cool, I wonder if that fixes the issues I had with gluezilla as well :)
[16:38] <fta> does it work?
[16:38] <micahg> or is this only in the plugin?
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, it's working here (well, it doesn't crash now) :)
[16:40] <fta> good
[16:40] <fta> hidding the symbol is probably the real fix, but renaming it is good enough for now
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i didn't really want to mess around with symbol visibility for a SRU
[16:41]  * micahg guesses that fta means namespacing WRT hiding which is what upstream did IIRC
[16:42] <fta> by hiding, i meant not exporting
[16:43] <fta> plugins should not export those stuff
[16:43] <micahg> ah
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not exporting it is the proper fix, but renaming it is easiest for an SRU
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> and the symbol has gone away in moonlight 2.4 anyway
[16:48] <fta> sure
[16:48] <fta> gasp, i totally broke my translations exporter
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, why do people keep reporting bugs like bug 710744 against firefox
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 710744 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "after installing PAE kernel NVIDIA driver does not work - no GUI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710744
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> there's not even a menu entry for them to report a bug from firefox anymore
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> oh, it got reassigned already
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> fta - oh, it's not actually possible to not export that symbol anyway :/
[17:37] <chrisccoulson> it's in another library loaded by the browser plugin
[18:51] <fta> chrisccoulson, hm, maybe it's possible to hide it from icetea, to avoid newer conflicts
[18:53] <fta> gasp, my adsl connection sucks. I've been offline for 1h1/2
[19:12] <fta> chrisccoulson, are you using unity on your big screens?
[19:12] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i am
[19:12] <fta> chrisccoulson, can you open an xterm?
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> fta - i'm not connected to me external screen atm. unfortunately, i get bug 710625 when i do that
[19:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 710625 in linux "Oops in intel_tv_detect when docking laptop, or starting X with it already docked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710625
[19:13] <fta> doh
[19:13] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm hanging off the edge of my desk now where there's a tiny bit of space ;)
[19:17] <fta> half of my windows are usually xterms, can't even use 1 on unity
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> fta - what happens with xterm on unity?
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> actually, i couldn't even get more than 1 window to open
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> how did you manage that? :)
[19:19] <fta> bug 692463
[19:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 692463 in unity "xterms broken in unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692463
[19:19] <fta> no one seems to care about that
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> oh, i wonder why i don't get that issue too :/
[19:20] <fta> i can reproduce everywhere
[19:21] <fta> gnome terminal is ok, but slower and bigger
[19:35] <gnomefreak> anyone else notice that ambience is gone in natty,gnome
[19:41] <gnomefreak> see http://img141.imageshack.us/f/themeissue.png/ for the theme issue
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it just looks like g-s-d isn't running
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> (or crashed)
[19:45] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it happened during this mornings updates, however this morning was first time i updated since ayatana bug so not sure what did it. is there a way to find out why it isnt starting, i will see if it is in ps aux but i get the feeling that will not help
[19:46] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: 1000      1099  0.1  1.5  53468  3868 ?        Sl   14:23   0:01 /usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon?
[19:47] <gnomefreak> its running if that is what you meant
[19:48] <gnomefreak> im using classic desktop but that shouldnt have any effect on this
[21:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you think you'll be able to do the thunderbird upload or should I try to do it?
[21:12] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i can get it done
[21:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: awesome, thanks
[21:27] <gnomefreak> i cant win today, at this rate i wont have time to eat
[21:27] <gnomefreak> dell tech support guy tells me the video card i have will work but everything is wrong
[21:41] <BUGabundo> o/
[23:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: there's some good news, eclipse has added webkit support in 3.6 and in 3.7 it will be the default, we might still need xulrunner for some things though (i.e. someone explicitly uses it) but that drops it to recommends or even suggests :)
[23:40] <chrisccoulson> cool! unfortunately, swt-gtk will still hold it in main, even though everything that uses it is in universe :(
[23:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what do we need that in main for?
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> other parts of it are used by other things in main
[23:41] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: create a new source package
[23:41] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember off the top of my head though
[23:42] <micahg> yeah, a new source seems to be the fix du jour