/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/31/#ubuntu-ops.txt

gpcnando parted after I removed iamred00:00
gpckids00:00
bazhanghe just got banned by floodbot 2 then rushed back with a new gateway00:01
gpcok can it be there is some torrent out there with a messed up ubuntu iso?00:02
bazhangno00:02
gpcan unofficial torrent I mean00:02
bazhangnope00:03
gpcIRCC is Verloggeur in #u an authorized bot?00:11
bazhangm4v 's I thought00:12
gpcfrom the project page it says it is a log/stats bot with AI features00:15
FlannelI don't care if it's a bot or not, it needs to fix its connection00:16
gpchaha00:16
bazhangeternal ban dodging in -ot00:50
Flannelgpc: What was that for in #u?00:58
gpche was an issue earlier this morning in #u and he was going to be one now00:59
Flannelgpc: But he wasn't one yet.00:59
gpche was one earlier00:59
gpche didn't show any improvement over the past few hours01:00
Flannelgpc: And he was quieted for it, from what i think I remember from the BT01:00
bazhanghe's back.01:00
gpcI see no reason to subject #ubuntu to his ramblings and abuse01:00
gpche has documented history in -ot and -il01:01
gpcand #u from earlier today01:01
Flannelgpc: You still have to let them have enough rope01:01
gpcto hang themselves?01:02
Flannelgpc: Mhmmm.01:02
gpcwhy?01:02
Flannelgpc: Because... we don't ban people because we don't like them.01:02
bazhangalso in #xubuntu and #kubuntu01:02
bazhangno pre-emptive banning01:02
gpchis second ban evasion where he swore at you and threatened to join ALL Ubuntu channels and continue isn't enough?01:03
bazhanghe was ban dodging in #ubuntu ?01:03
gpcno in -ot01:03
gpc-ot is a core channel correct?01:03
Flannelgpc: I'm confused.  You're using an incident in -ot (that happened after you banned him in #u) to justify banning him in #u?01:03
gpcso what happens in one core channel should imo have bearing on other core channels01:03
Flannelgpc: I'm not saying he wouldn't ultimately end up banned, but you need to let them show that they're deserving of one.  Otherwise their claims of harassment and such hold weight when viewed in a vacuum.01:04
gpcfine01:04
gpcsounds like letting yourself get punched in the face before you decide to defend yourself but ok.01:05
jribwatch pantaloonix in -ot01:05
Flannelgpc: Considering no one gets their face bloodied when punched online, that's fairly accurate, and fairly benign.01:06
jribor maybe he was just baiting the other troll, idk01:06
gpcthere'01:07
gpcbetter?01:07
bazhangyes01:07
Flannelgpc: No need to get indignant.01:07
gpcthere was no need to wait for him to be a jackass when we all knew full well he was going to01:07
bazhanggpc, nonetheless give them enough rope, as madpilot so famously said01:08
gpcwill remember to do so in the future01:08
gpcFlannel: I apologize for being a jerk towards you.01:08
Flannelgpc: No worries.01:08
bazhangits not just about a single user, but how we are perceived as being fair or not.01:08
bazhangmicahg, eternal ?01:18
micahgbazhang: yes01:18
jrib3/5 of those ops aren't really active01:19
jrib(in #ubuntu-bugs)01:19
micahg#ubuntu-desktop and #ubuntu-beginners are the others that I know of01:20
bazhangI've contacted freenode staff01:20
FlannelIf someone's got the IRCC nick, -marketing too01:20
bazhangah he's /amsg multiple channels01:25
ubottujames147 called the ops in #kubuntu ()01:28
=== Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth
popeyeternal is now in -uk01:40
Flanneland -us01:40
Flannelnot in #x01:40
bazhangFlannel, already quit there, before you arrived01:41
Flannelmakes sense01:42
popeybah, not talking and I want to go to bed01:47
popeyah well.01:47
paultagHey ops. I've had to put a ban in place in two ubuntu channels01:51
* popey guesses eternal01:51
paultageternal01:51
bazhangpaultag, eternal?01:51
popey:)01:51
bazhanghehe01:51
paultag:)01:51
paultaghe's in -desktop and -us01:51
paultagI got him out of -bugs and -beginners01:51
bazhang:/01:51
popeythats enough for me01:52
popeyback as eternal_01:52
popeyarrived the second I opped up01:52
popeybut before I k/b01:52
paultagthanks, ops :)01:56
paultagI'll be off now, ta!01:56
marienzthat quiet just now was me, sorry about that02:08
marienzI'm trying to ask him what he's up to but he keeps getting klined02:08
rwwugh. tabbed over to #ubuntu and my screen is full of boxes :(02:22
Flannelrww: Think outside the box!02:23
rwwalso, every time I start GNOME, it goes all stupid and not-Clearlooks on me. Computer is telling me to go back to KDE again.02:25
Flannelrww: or e17!02:25
rwwlolno02:26
rww@random kde xfce openbox02:28
ubottukde02:28
rww<302:28
gpc@random rww Flannel02:28
ubotturww02:28
gpcheh02:29
gpcI think this bot is rigged02:29
rww@random rigged not_rigged02:29
ubottunot_rigged02:29
gpccourse now02:29
gpcnot&02:29
gpc:/02:29
rww@random gpc IdleOne02:30
ubottugpc02:30
gpcrigged I tell you02:31
rwwthe bot always tells the truth!02:31
gpc@random truth lies02:31
ubottulies02:31
Flannelubottu: are you lying right now?02:31
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:31
Flannel@random yes no02:31
ubottuno02:31
rwwdo you always tell the truth?02:32
rww@random yes no02:32
ubottuyes02:32
gpcdo you ever tell lies?02:32
gpc@random truth lies02:32
ubottutruth02:32
gpconly truth?02:32
gpc@random yes no02:32
ubottuyes02:32
jrib@random lies02:32
ubottulies02:32
jribi knew it02:33
gpcthis bot is either rigged are smarter then I am02:33
gpcthan02:33
rwwor02:33
Flannelubottu: Who i s smarter?02:33
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)02:33
Flannel@random ubottu gpc02:33
gpchell. I love when I prove myself stupid02:33
ubottugpc02:33
gpcshe is also very polite02:33
gpc!botsnack02:34
ubottuYum! Err, I mean, APT!02:34
rwwhrm. I think it's about time I went through and figured out where exactly Hoober's banned from.03:05
gpcWe could really use some sort of site where all the bans are kept track of03:10
* gpc waits for it03:10
rwwSure would be nice if this theoretical site magically grouped together nicks and hostmasks of users ban-evading using anonymous proxies, instead of just showing a big chronological list ;P03:11
gpcyeah03:11
gpcmight want to install stalker_module03:11
rwwI did. It's not connecting a few of the clusters of his nicks.03:12
gpcI meant on the site03:12
rwwcombining the slowness of BT with the slowness of stalker.pl might freeze the universe.03:13
paultagtalk about lightning hitting twice03:22
paultagr00t4rd3d  <-- bugging #ubuntu-beginners03:22
paultagnow he's bugging me in PM and I don't want to deal with it03:22
paultagI banned him, if someone from the IRC ops team can let him know kindly that -beginners is part of the ubuntu ecosystem03:23
paultagI have him on ignore now :)03:23
paultagor a kline for ban evasion. that would be nice03:23
bazhangpaultag, sorry you have to deal with that03:23
rwwI think at this point that none of the ops team want to deal with him, and -beginners isn't a core channel anyway, so... have fun!03:23
paultagnhandler: prod03:23
paultagman, you were just here :)03:25
rww(although, I'd just ignore PMs from him at this point anyway. I presume he's been informed of his namespace ban, and he knows about !appeals very well, so not much to say)03:25
paultagrww: yeah, I have him on /ignore ALL03:26
rww(I mean ignore as in not replying to, since core ops aren't supposed to use /ignore. Don't blame anyone who isn't one and /ignores him, though.)03:27
paultagrww: I'm not an OP :)03:27
rww(and I mean "core ops" as in "an op in one or more core channels", before someone brings that up again.)03:27
rwwpaultag: I know :)03:27
paultagand I am *so* keeping it that way :)03:27
bazhanghehe03:27
paultagalright. thanks again. cheerio03:28
rwwand yet you wanted to be on IRCC? That's, like, ten times crazier03:28
rwwoops03:28
gpcheh03:30
gpcircslip03:31
gpcdid I miss an email?03:33
gpcdid we ever get results back for the poll/vote?03:33
gpcor is it American style election03:34
gpcwe need to find someones brother to decide who gets to be president03:34
rwwgpc: the poll closed on CIVS. If you go find your invite email, it'll have a link to the results03:35
rwwThere wasn't an announcement of the results as of when I checked my email this morning, though.03:35
gpcok, so i didn't miss an email03:35
pleia2there is a 2nd place tie, so the CC is discussing how to handle it03:37
pleia2gpc: it's the same link as came on the first CIVS email from mark, no additional email03:37
gpcyeah I can't seem to find it.03:37
gpcit's in this mess somewheres03:38
pleia2:)03:38
gpcah, there it is03:38
gpcA run off vote!03:39
gpcor a boxing match03:39
rwwalrighty, so only counting Hoober's current incarnation (i.e. brown_boar onwards), he has active bans in #ubuntu (evaded twice), #ubuntu-women (evaded twice), #ubuntu-offtopic (evaded four times), #ubuntu-ops (evaded four times), #ubuntu-devel (evaded once). Evasion numbers are almost certainly low, and don't count evasion of bans set the last times he got bored and started harrassing channels.03:39
rwwpleia2: is there precedent for dealing with ties in delegated council elections? seems like this would have happened before :\03:41
pleia2rww: CIVS is pretty new and only a small fraction of the delegated councils have elections03:42
pleia2we used civs for ubuntu women and had a tie, we did a runoff poll, but that was unrelated to the CC03:42
rwwah, okay. I thought most of them were elected. Haven't really looked into the subject much.03:43
pleia2edubuntu had all council members get +1 from everyone who voted, we just made the council have 6 members instead of 5 for a while03:43
pleia2but they are a small community with few problems, 3 against 3 in a battle to the death was unlikely :)03:44
pleia2(unlike IRC)03:44
pleia2(just kidding! (mostly))03:44
pleia2:D03:44
rwwI think Pici and elky should lightsaber duel, personally.03:45
rwwor we could just ask ubottu03:45
rwwwhat with the sentience and the always being right and what not03:45
gpc@random Ben Melissa03:46
ubottuMelissa03:46
elkypleia2, er, one of the calculation options was not tied, why isn't that being taken as the decision?03:46
elkyWhee!03:46
pleia2elky: ah, I hadn't gone through all the results, interesting03:47
gpcI tell you this bot is rigged. No coinkydink that elky shows up just when I did that.03:47
elkypleia2, that's why theres alternative results ;)03:47
gpc:)03:47
gpcwell congrats to jussi :)03:48
Amaranthelky: I'm watching your lca talk :)03:54
elkyAmaranth, ohdear03:55
elkyI dance around waaaay too much.03:55
Amaranthelky: Yeah, I do that a lot too03:55
Amaranthelky: At least you didn't forget to breathe and pass out, I almost did that once in speech/debate class in school03:57
AmaranthWhich is why I don't give presentations03:57
elkyAmaranth, actually if you listen to my voice, not the words, you can hear me almost doing that.03:58
Amaranthelky: Hmm, I guess so, bummer03:58
elkyalso the deliberately taking deep breaths because i know im talking too fast.03:58
AmaranthDang, I can't read the unicorn t-shirt slide04:00
elkyAmaranth, it says what's on the one i'm wearing04:02
elkythe one i'm wearing was the "bootleg" one done.04:03
Amaranthelky: Yeah, can't read that one either :P04:03
elkypick one http://www.google.com/images?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=haecksen+tshirt&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=82304:03
Amaranthoh, hehe, I get it04:04
AmaranthGirls don't exist on the internet04:04
elkyyeah. except as a herd, or more accurately blessing, at a linux conf.04:05
elkythe tshirt is not really meant to be worn after the conf. it's supposed to be a performance piece in and of itself.04:05
Amaranthelky: How many people were wearing them?04:09
AmaranthHuh, qwest worked just long enough to finish watching your talk, now I've got 14 seconds of lag and the systemd video is buffering every 5 seconds04:10
rwwhah. pooshwalter is still going. FloodBots <304:13
elkyAmaranth, i didn't count. I believe in excess of 30 shirts were bought though.04:18
elkyAmaranth, http://geekosophical.net/tmp/rustyunicorn.jpg is Rusty Russell's take on the tshirt saga.04:20
Amaranthheh04:20
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from pooshwalter)04:21
rwwdealt with04:21
ubottuAlertEye called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:25
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:25
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:25
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)04:25
rwwhuh, haven't seen that before04:25
Madpilotrww, "I say this mainly because I'm not in #irssi"... bad op, farming our problems out to smaller channels. :)06:13
rwwin my defense, nobody in #ubuntu's going to be able to figure it out if he's being legit :(06:13
MadpilotI was kidding. Your comment made me LOL. (a bit)06:14
macobazhang's nick came out lowercase06:14
bazhangmaco, exactly. and the silly characters he was using just before that06:14
rwwlol. AtomicSpark autojoins on /invite06:15
elkyrww bad puppy, bad.06:15
gpcthe fun that can be had06:17
Madpilotinteresting irc client config, that one.06:17
Madpilotopen to... entertainment.06:17
rww(red2kic is now de-caplock'd)06:20
rwwmaco: could have been tab-complete. if I do M<tab>, it turns into maco.06:21
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !chanserv.py =~ s!http://.*!https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py!06:42
rww!chanserv.py =~ s!http://.*!https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py!06:42
ubottuI'll remember that rww06:42
rww!chanserv.py06:42
ubottuchanserv.py is a ChanServ helper script for !XChat | https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py06:42
rww!chanserv.py > Seveas06:42
bazhangsounds like he ran ultibreaksit or the like06:59
Madpilotalways fun when folks run random scripts they found on the webz06:59
bazhangthen are not forthcoming about what they've done07:00
Madpilotand are looking for exe files to boot, apparently07:00
MadpilotBest solution to a script that's probably damaged an Ubuntu install: I'll just run it again, BRB!07:02
Madpilotgah07:02
MadpilotHas anyone heard of a new generation of idiot "Ubuntu helper" scripts? I'm out of the loop...07:09
Madpilotbazhang, perhaps he re-ran this script and it ate his IRC client as a second course?07:13
bazhangMadpilot, hehe07:13
* Flannel runs away from Tm_T.07:26
bazhangfirefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz <-- thats the FF his script installed?07:27
Madpilotseems like07:29
Madpilotis that as old as I think it is?07:29
bazhangyes07:29
Madpilotdamn07:29
bazhanghe's probably running warty07:29
FlannelIt does install it into /opt though, and looks like it does stuff properly (dpkg-divert, etc)07:30
Madpilotwhat's the term command for Ubuntu version? Brainfart here...07:31
Flannellsb_release -a07:31
Flannelwell, some other flag would work too07:31
Madpilotthnx07:31
FlannelMadpilot: -r is numerical release07:32
bazhang<ubuser> breezy badger07:32
Madpilotholy hell07:33
FlannelHe can upgrade to dapper then to hardy then to Lucid!07:33
jussiwow!07:36
jussibreezy is old!!07:36
Tm_Tolder than I am07:36
Tm_Tno, I take that back, I used Ubuntu before Breezy (:)07:36
FlannelMadpilot: Breezy does exist on old-repositories07:36
MadpilotFlannel, so he could tweak his sources.list to point to old-repos and go to town, I guess.07:37
persiaIf someone is trying Breezy->Dapper->Hardy->Lucid->Maverick, it would be best for them to pull the updates from old-repositories first, just in case.07:37
FlannelYep although I'd recommend "go to town" actually means "go to dapper" but yes.07:37
FlannelIf he only has 500MB then dapper might be where he stops for the time being, but even then, thats an important step (debian ssh fix, for instance)07:38
persiaIt's not safe to use update-manager with old-repositories though: it will overwrite the sources.list, and then have errors (this is probably more interesting for folks running Feisty or something)07:38
Flannelbreezy doesn't have update-manager anyway07:38
MadpilotBreezy would have been "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" IIRC07:39
persiahence the "probably more interesting" :)07:40
FlannelYes, and yes :)07:40
persiaI think Breezy still advocated aptitude: I think it was Dapper that was the switch (although I may be misremembering)07:40
Madpilot"interesting" in the sense of that Chinese curse, yes.07:40
persiaNo07:40
FlannelNo, one used apt-get to go from breezy to dapper in the official docs07:41
Flannelbut aptitude would work just as well07:41
MadpilotI wrote big chunks of the Dapper docs... I guess I can still dredge some of that stuff up07:42
FlannelMadpilot: Or we can just look at the wiki! http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades07:42
persiaThe switch from aptitude must have been earlier then.07:42
Flannel(note: that page even has been updated for old-releases)07:43
Madpilotlater, all. Sleep.08:21
KB1JWQSomeone want to handle switch in #ubuntu? :-)08:24
Tm_Ton it08:24
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from kt_)08:27
jussiJordan_U: you mightve been better off telling him about offtopic first - perhaps a good idea in pm now09:38
Jordan_Ujussi: I know it's a bit odd but could you possibly do that? I need to leave.09:39
jussik09:39
Jordan_UThanks.09:40
bazhang* [Roobet] (~caffery@france1.pointtoserver.com): smut rut but   hoober?13:59
Piciyes14:00
bazhangwaza_ari command is safe?14:18
bazhang"mv *[^.]"14:18
Piciugh14:21
Picihoober has been at it in our ircc channel for the past 20 minutes.14:21
bazhangIs there mIRC For ubuntu?14:24
bazhangxchat I guess14:24
PiciThere is not linux mIRC, unless you use wine.14:24
bazhangah suttiwit14:25
ubottuk1l called the ops in #ubuntu ()15:15
bazhangubuntuluver and c0nd0m seem to be tag teaming various channels15:17
gpcI hate mornings15:27
bazhangused an @mark to explain15:27
gpc?15:28
bazhangie @mark #channel user@nick issue here15:29
bazhangshows up in BT15:29
gpcyup, just read it15:29
Picibazhang, gpc: Hes already been in the ircc channel and has been directed to our mailing list if he needs to make an appeal.16:19
gpcok16:19
bazhangPici, presumably you see the goings-on in #freenode at the moment16:20
PiciI am. Thats why I mentioned it ;)16:20
bazhangthanks :)16:20
Pici3. I am using an IP16:21
Piciwow.16:21
gpcthat is 133716:22
ikonia"leet" elite16:23
ikoniaoops16:23
ikoniasorry, I read "what is l33t16:23
gpchehe16:24
PiciI suggest staying out of the conversation in #freenode, its offtopic there and this person has already had their options explained to them.16:25
gpcI was just trying to get a better understanding of the circular logic he is using to justify why his ban evasions are not admissible. he was only trying to ban evade because his ban is not fair.16:27
gpcmy head hurts now16:28
ikoniaahhh and now jungli joins the party16:28
Picipot. kettle.16:28
topyli"Username and descriptions are changeable. Why didn't they ban my ip so i couldn't enter #ubuntu?" - i'm tempted to say "something tells me they probably will"16:28
gpcheh16:29
gpcthe ubuntu people are an asset of freenode.16:29
gpcfreenode pwns us?16:30
* Pici shrugs16:30
gpcI don't recall that in the contract I signed16:30
gpcit's like watching a t.v. show16:31
gpcnow we are getting the facts16:31
PiciEvilPhoenix: How can we help you16:31
EvilPhoenixi take it at least one of you is watching #freenode, you've got someone complaining about being banned from one of the ubuntu channels there...16:32
EvilPhoenixjust wonderin if you guys are watching there is all.  someone's ranting about the unfair-ness of stuff :/16:32
PiciEvilPhoenix: Yes, hes already been given the proper options to appeal his ban, but it seems he is bent on ranting about it.16:32
EvilPhoenixmmm16:32
EvilPhoenixwonder why staff doesnt +q him :/16:32
EvilPhoenixanyways, was just wondering.  thanks for your time.  :)16:33
PiciAnd we'd prefer not to waste #freenode's time with a discussion there, as we've already had numerous with him here and elsewhere.16:33
bazhangthis discussion in here should probably go to someplace offtopic or PM as well16:34
Picimquin: Sorry for the spillover, we certainly didn't intend for it to be like this.16:46
mquinlooks like he's ranted himself out now (hopefully)16:46
Picibazhang: irc.ubuntu.com points to chat.freenode.net17:25
bazhangPici, thanks for the clarification :)17:25
ikoniawhy is he off again in #freenode ?17:25
ikoniawhat's kicked him off17:26
PiciI believe the irc client defautls were changed to prevent confusion, but I could be wrong.17:26
PiciWho knows?17:26
gpcikonia: From what I saw it was just a random restart17:26
ikoniaexcellent17:26
bazhangclearly she meant piracy17:44
ikoniashe said she had the torrents earlier17:44
bazhangright17:44
bazhangthen ncfi1013 started in on how to burn a torrent (clearly labelled as from a torrent site)17:45
bazhangerr iso/etc17:45
ikoniafyi: banned sambagirl as she's now claiming she's part of the ubuntu / IBM team and will report this and she's "paid for music torrents" but won't tell me where18:34
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (crispyjew appears to be abusive - 4.5)18:37
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pedolove appears to be abusive - 4.5)18:38
ikonia+r time18:39
ikoniafreenode still getting hit with spam, leaving #ubuntu +r for now18:55
PiciCan we please respect that #freenode is not for discussing our bans.  If jungli wants to rant about them there then he is free to do so.19:33
Piciikonia, gnomefreak ^^19:33
gnomefreakyes19:33
ikoniaPici: I'm not discussing bans, I'm reporting persistant ban doding and abuse with multiple cloaked accounts19:34
gnomefreakPici: your not staff?19:34
gnomefreakikonia: i did19:34
Picignomefreak: No. I'm not staff.19:34
gnomefreakoh, i thought you were sorry19:35

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