[00:00] <gpc> nando parted after I removed iamred
[00:00] <gpc> kids
[00:01] <bazhang> he just got banned by floodbot 2 then rushed back with a new gateway
[00:02] <gpc> ok can it be there is some torrent out there with a messed up ubuntu iso?
[00:02] <bazhang> no
[00:02] <gpc> an unofficial torrent I mean
[00:03] <bazhang> nope
[00:11] <gpc> IRCC is Verloggeur in #u an authorized bot?
[00:12] <bazhang> m4v 's I thought
[00:15] <gpc> from the project page it says it is a log/stats bot with AI features
[00:16] <Flannel> I don't care if it's a bot or not, it needs to fix its connection
[00:16] <gpc> haha
[00:50] <bazhang> eternal ban dodging in -ot
[00:58] <Flannel> gpc: What was that for in #u?
[00:59] <gpc> he was an issue earlier this morning in #u and he was going to be one now
[00:59] <Flannel> gpc: But he wasn't one yet.
[00:59] <gpc> he was one earlier
[01:00] <gpc> he didn't show any improvement over the past few hours
[01:00] <Flannel> gpc: And he was quieted for it, from what i think I remember from the BT
[01:00] <bazhang> he's back.
[01:00] <gpc> I see no reason to subject #ubuntu to his ramblings and abuse
[01:01] <gpc> he has documented history in -ot and -il
[01:01] <gpc> and #u from earlier today
[01:01] <Flannel> gpc: You still have to let them have enough rope
[01:02] <gpc> to hang themselves?
[01:02] <Flannel> gpc: Mhmmm.
[01:02] <gpc> why?
[01:02] <Flannel> gpc: Because... we don't ban people because we don't like them.
[01:02] <bazhang> also in #xubuntu and #kubuntu
[01:02] <bazhang> no pre-emptive banning
[01:03] <gpc> his second ban evasion where he swore at you and threatened to join ALL Ubuntu channels and continue isn't enough?
[01:03] <bazhang> he was ban dodging in #ubuntu ?
[01:03] <gpc> no in -ot
[01:03] <gpc> -ot is a core channel correct?
[01:03] <Flannel> gpc: I'm confused.  You're using an incident in -ot (that happened after you banned him in #u) to justify banning him in #u?
[01:03] <gpc> so what happens in one core channel should imo have bearing on other core channels
[01:04] <Flannel> gpc: I'm not saying he wouldn't ultimately end up banned, but you need to let them show that they're deserving of one.  Otherwise their claims of harassment and such hold weight when viewed in a vacuum.
[01:04] <gpc> fine
[01:05] <gpc> sounds like letting yourself get punched in the face before you decide to defend yourself but ok.
[01:05] <jrib> watch pantaloonix in -ot
[01:06] <Flannel> gpc: Considering no one gets their face bloodied when punched online, that's fairly accurate, and fairly benign.
[01:06] <jrib> or maybe he was just baiting the other troll, idk
[01:07] <gpc> there'
[01:07] <gpc> better?
[01:07] <bazhang> yes
[01:07] <Flannel> gpc: No need to get indignant.
[01:07] <gpc> there was no need to wait for him to be a jackass when we all knew full well he was going to
[01:08] <bazhang> gpc, nonetheless give them enough rope, as madpilot so famously said
[01:08] <gpc> will remember to do so in the future
[01:08] <gpc> Flannel: I apologize for being a jerk towards you.
[01:08] <Flannel> gpc: No worries.
[01:08] <bazhang> its not just about a single user, but how we are perceived as being fair or not.
[01:18] <bazhang> micahg, eternal ?
[01:18] <micahg> bazhang: yes
[01:19] <jrib> 3/5 of those ops aren't really active
[01:19] <jrib> (in #ubuntu-bugs)
[01:20] <micahg> #ubuntu-desktop and #ubuntu-beginners are the others that I know of
[01:20] <bazhang> I've contacted freenode staff
[01:20] <Flannel> If someone's got the IRCC nick, -marketing too
[01:25] <bazhang> ah he's /amsg multiple channels
[01:40] <popey> eternal is now in -uk
[01:40] <Flannel> and -us
[01:40] <Flannel> not in #x
[01:41] <bazhang> Flannel, already quit there, before you arrived
[01:42] <Flannel> makes sense
[01:47] <popey> bah, not talking and I want to go to bed
[01:47] <popey> ah well.
[01:51] <paultag> Hey ops. I've had to put a ban in place in two ubuntu channels
[01:51]  * popey guesses eternal
[01:51] <paultag> eternal
[01:51] <bazhang> paultag, eternal?
[01:51] <popey> :)
[01:51] <bazhang> hehe
[01:51] <paultag> :)
[01:51] <paultag> he's in -desktop and -us
[01:51] <paultag> I got him out of -bugs and -beginners
[01:51] <bazhang> :/
[01:52] <popey> thats enough for me
[01:52] <popey> back as eternal_
[01:52] <popey> arrived the second I opped up
[01:52] <popey> but before I k/b
[01:56] <paultag> thanks, ops :)
[01:56] <paultag> I'll be off now, ta!
[02:08] <marienz> that quiet just now was me, sorry about that
[02:08] <marienz> I'm trying to ask him what he's up to but he keeps getting klined
[02:22] <rww> ugh. tabbed over to #ubuntu and my screen is full of boxes :(
[02:23] <Flannel> rww: Think outside the box!
[02:25] <rww> also, every time I start GNOME, it goes all stupid and not-Clearlooks on me. Computer is telling me to go back to KDE again.
[02:25] <Flannel> rww: or e17!
[02:26] <rww> lolno
[02:28] <rww> @random kde xfce openbox
[02:28] <rww> <3
[02:28] <gpc> @random rww Flannel
[02:29] <gpc> heh
[02:29] <gpc> I think this bot is rigged
[02:29] <rww> @random rigged not_rigged
[02:29] <gpc> course now
[02:29] <gpc> not&
[02:29] <gpc> :/
[02:30] <rww> @random gpc IdleOne
[02:31] <gpc> rigged I tell you
[02:31] <rww> the bot always tells the truth!
[02:31] <gpc> @random truth lies
[02:31] <Flannel> ubottu: are you lying right now?
[02:31] <Flannel> @random yes no
[02:32] <rww> do you always tell the truth?
[02:32] <rww> @random yes no
[02:32] <gpc> do you ever tell lies?
[02:32] <gpc> @random truth lies
[02:32] <gpc> only truth?
[02:32] <gpc> @random yes no
[02:32] <jrib> @random lies
[02:33] <jrib> i knew it
[02:33] <gpc> this bot is either rigged are smarter then I am
[02:33] <gpc> than
[02:33] <rww> or
[02:33] <Flannel> ubottu: Who i s smarter?
[02:33] <Flannel> @random ubottu gpc
[02:33] <gpc> hell. I love when I prove myself stupid
[02:33] <gpc> she is also very polite
[02:34] <gpc> !botsnack
[03:05] <rww> hrm. I think it's about time I went through and figured out where exactly Hoober's banned from.
[03:10] <gpc> We could really use some sort of site where all the bans are kept track of
[03:10]  * gpc waits for it
[03:11] <rww> Sure would be nice if this theoretical site magically grouped together nicks and hostmasks of users ban-evading using anonymous proxies, instead of just showing a big chronological list ;P
[03:11] <gpc> yeah
[03:11] <gpc> might want to install stalker_module
[03:12] <rww> I did. It's not connecting a few of the clusters of his nicks.
[03:12] <gpc> I meant on the site
[03:13] <rww> combining the slowness of BT with the slowness of stalker.pl might freeze the universe.
[03:22] <paultag> talk about lightning hitting twice
[03:22] <paultag> r00t4rd3d  <-- bugging #ubuntu-beginners
[03:22] <paultag> now he's bugging me in PM and I don't want to deal with it
[03:23] <paultag> I banned him, if someone from the IRC ops team can let him know kindly that -beginners is part of the ubuntu ecosystem
[03:23] <paultag> I have him on ignore now :)
[03:23] <paultag> or a kline for ban evasion. that would be nice
[03:23] <bazhang> paultag, sorry you have to deal with that
[03:23] <rww> I think at this point that none of the ops team want to deal with him, and -beginners isn't a core channel anyway, so... have fun!
[03:23] <paultag> nhandler: prod
[03:25] <paultag> man, you were just here :)
[03:25] <rww> (although, I'd just ignore PMs from him at this point anyway. I presume he's been informed of his namespace ban, and he knows about !appeals very well, so not much to say)
[03:26] <paultag> rww: yeah, I have him on /ignore ALL
[03:27] <rww> (I mean ignore as in not replying to, since core ops aren't supposed to use /ignore. Don't blame anyone who isn't one and /ignores him, though.)
[03:27] <paultag> rww: I'm not an OP :)
[03:27] <rww> (and I mean "core ops" as in "an op in one or more core channels", before someone brings that up again.)
[03:27] <rww> paultag: I know :)
[03:27] <paultag> and I am *so* keeping it that way :)
[03:27] <bazhang> hehe
[03:28] <paultag> alright. thanks again. cheerio
[03:28] <rww> and yet you wanted to be on IRCC? That's, like, ten times crazier
[03:28] <rww> oops
[03:30] <gpc> heh
[03:31] <gpc> ircslip
[03:33] <gpc> did I miss an email?
[03:33] <gpc> did we ever get results back for the poll/vote?
[03:34] <gpc> or is it American style election
[03:34] <gpc> we need to find someones brother to decide who gets to be president
[03:35] <rww> gpc: the poll closed on CIVS. If you go find your invite email, it'll have a link to the results
[03:35] <rww> There wasn't an announcement of the results as of when I checked my email this morning, though.
[03:35] <gpc> ok, so i didn't miss an email
[03:37] <pleia2> there is a 2nd place tie, so the CC is discussing how to handle it
[03:37] <pleia2> gpc: it's the same link as came on the first CIVS email from mark, no additional email
[03:37] <gpc> yeah I can't seem to find it.
[03:38] <gpc> it's in this mess somewheres
[03:38] <pleia2> :)
[03:38] <gpc> ah, there it is
[03:39] <gpc> A run off vote!
[03:39] <gpc> or a boxing match
[03:39] <rww> alrighty, so only counting Hoober's current incarnation (i.e. brown_boar onwards), he has active bans in #ubuntu (evaded twice), #ubuntu-women (evaded twice), #ubuntu-offtopic (evaded four times), #ubuntu-ops (evaded four times), #ubuntu-devel (evaded once). Evasion numbers are almost certainly low, and don't count evasion of bans set the last times he got bored and started harrassing channels.
[03:41] <rww> pleia2: is there precedent for dealing with ties in delegated council elections? seems like this would have happened before :\
[03:42] <pleia2> rww: CIVS is pretty new and only a small fraction of the delegated councils have elections
[03:42] <pleia2> we used civs for ubuntu women and had a tie, we did a runoff poll, but that was unrelated to the CC
[03:43] <rww> ah, okay. I thought most of them were elected. Haven't really looked into the subject much.
[03:43] <pleia2> edubuntu had all council members get +1 from everyone who voted, we just made the council have 6 members instead of 5 for a while
[03:44] <pleia2> but they are a small community with few problems, 3 against 3 in a battle to the death was unlikely :)
[03:44] <pleia2> (unlike IRC)
[03:44] <pleia2> (just kidding! (mostly))
[03:44] <pleia2> :D
[03:45] <rww> I think Pici and elky should lightsaber duel, personally.
[03:45] <rww> or we could just ask ubottu
[03:45] <rww> what with the sentience and the always being right and what not
[03:46] <gpc> @random Ben Melissa
[03:46] <elky> pleia2, er, one of the calculation options was not tied, why isn't that being taken as the decision?
[03:46] <elky> Whee!
[03:47] <pleia2> elky: ah, I hadn't gone through all the results, interesting
[03:47] <gpc> I tell you this bot is rigged. No coinkydink that elky shows up just when I did that.
[03:47] <elky> pleia2, that's why theres alternative results ;)
[03:47] <gpc> :)
[03:48] <gpc> well congrats to jussi :)
[03:54] <Amaranth> elky: I'm watching your lca talk :)
[03:55] <elky> Amaranth, ohdear
[03:55] <elky> I dance around waaaay too much.
[03:55] <Amaranth> elky: Yeah, I do that a lot too
[03:57] <Amaranth> elky: At least you didn't forget to breathe and pass out, I almost did that once in speech/debate class in school
[03:57] <Amaranth> Which is why I don't give presentations
[03:58] <elky> Amaranth, actually if you listen to my voice, not the words, you can hear me almost doing that.
[03:58] <Amaranth> elky: Hmm, I guess so, bummer
[03:58] <elky> also the deliberately taking deep breaths because i know im talking too fast.
[04:00] <Amaranth> Dang, I can't read the unicorn t-shirt slide
[04:02] <elky> Amaranth, it says what's on the one i'm wearing
[04:03] <elky> the one i'm wearing was the "bootleg" one done.
[04:03] <Amaranth> elky: Yeah, can't read that one either :P
[04:03] <elky> pick one http://www.google.com/images?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=haecksen+tshirt&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1920&bih=823
[04:04] <Amaranth> oh, hehe, I get it
[04:04] <Amaranth> Girls don't exist on the internet
[04:05] <elky> yeah. except as a herd, or more accurately blessing, at a linux conf.
[04:05] <elky> the tshirt is not really meant to be worn after the conf. it's supposed to be a performance piece in and of itself.
[04:09] <Amaranth> elky: How many people were wearing them?
[04:10] <Amaranth> Huh, qwest worked just long enough to finish watching your talk, now I've got 14 seconds of lag and the systemd video is buffering every 5 seconds
[04:13] <rww> hah. pooshwalter is still going. FloodBots <3
[04:18] <elky> Amaranth, i didn't count. I believe in excess of 30 shirts were bought though.
[04:20] <elky> Amaranth, http://geekosophical.net/tmp/rustyunicorn.jpg is Rusty Russell's take on the tshirt saga.
[04:20] <Amaranth> heh
[04:21] <rww> dealt with
[04:25] <rww> huh, haven't seen that before
[06:13] <Madpilot> rww, "I say this mainly because I'm not in #irssi"... bad op, farming our problems out to smaller channels. :)
[06:13] <rww> in my defense, nobody in #ubuntu's going to be able to figure it out if he's being legit :(
[06:14] <Madpilot> I was kidding. Your comment made me LOL. (a bit)
[06:14] <maco> bazhang's nick came out lowercase
[06:14] <bazhang> maco, exactly. and the silly characters he was using just before that
[06:15] <rww> lol. AtomicSpark autojoins on /invite
[06:15] <elky> rww bad puppy, bad.
[06:17] <gpc> the fun that can be had
[06:17] <Madpilot> interesting irc client config, that one.
[06:17] <Madpilot> open to... entertainment.
[06:20] <rww> (red2kic is now de-caplock'd)
[06:21] <rww> maco: could have been tab-complete. if I do M<tab>, it turns into maco.
[06:42] <rww> !chanserv.py =~ s!http://.*!https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py!
[06:42] <rww> !chanserv.py
[06:42] <rww> !chanserv.py > Seveas
[06:59] <bazhang> sounds like he ran ultibreaksit or the like
[06:59] <Madpilot> always fun when folks run random scripts they found on the webz
[07:00] <bazhang> then are not forthcoming about what they've done
[07:00] <Madpilot> and are looking for exe files to boot, apparently
[07:02] <Madpilot> Best solution to a script that's probably damaged an Ubuntu install: I'll just run it again, BRB!
[07:02] <Madpilot> gah
[07:09] <Madpilot> Has anyone heard of a new generation of idiot "Ubuntu helper" scripts? I'm out of the loop...
[07:13] <Madpilot> bazhang, perhaps he re-ran this script and it ate his IRC client as a second course?
[07:13] <bazhang> Madpilot, hehe
[07:26]  * Flannel runs away from Tm_T.
[07:27] <bazhang> firefox-1.5.0.1.tar.gz <-- thats the FF his script installed?
[07:29] <Madpilot> seems like
[07:29] <Madpilot> is that as old as I think it is?
[07:29] <bazhang> yes
[07:29] <Madpilot> damn
[07:29] <bazhang> he's probably running warty
[07:30] <Flannel> It does install it into /opt though, and looks like it does stuff properly (dpkg-divert, etc)
[07:31] <Madpilot> what's the term command for Ubuntu version? Brainfart here...
[07:31] <Flannel> lsb_release -a
[07:31] <Flannel> well, some other flag would work too
[07:31] <Madpilot> thnx
[07:32] <Flannel> Madpilot: -r is numerical release
 breezy badger
[07:33] <Madpilot> holy hell
[07:33] <Flannel> He can upgrade to dapper then to hardy then to Lucid!
[07:36] <jussi> wow!
[07:36] <jussi> breezy is old!!
[07:36] <Tm_T> older than I am
[07:36] <Tm_T> no, I take that back, I used Ubuntu before Breezy (:)
[07:36] <Flannel> Madpilot: Breezy does exist on old-repositories
[07:37] <Madpilot> Flannel, so he could tweak his sources.list to point to old-repos and go to town, I guess.
[07:37] <persia> If someone is trying Breezy->Dapper->Hardy->Lucid->Maverick, it would be best for them to pull the updates from old-repositories first, just in case.
[07:37] <Flannel> Yep although I'd recommend "go to town" actually means "go to dapper" but yes.
[07:38] <Flannel> If he only has 500MB then dapper might be where he stops for the time being, but even then, thats an important step (debian ssh fix, for instance)
[07:38] <persia> It's not safe to use update-manager with old-repositories though: it will overwrite the sources.list, and then have errors (this is probably more interesting for folks running Feisty or something)
[07:38] <Flannel> breezy doesn't have update-manager anyway
[07:39] <Madpilot> Breezy would have been "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" IIRC
[07:40] <persia> hence the "probably more interesting" :)
[07:40] <Flannel> Yes, and yes :)
[07:40] <persia> I think Breezy still advocated aptitude: I think it was Dapper that was the switch (although I may be misremembering)
[07:40] <Madpilot> "interesting" in the sense of that Chinese curse, yes.
[07:40] <persia> No
[07:41] <Flannel> No, one used apt-get to go from breezy to dapper in the official docs
[07:41] <Flannel> but aptitude would work just as well
[07:42] <Madpilot> I wrote big chunks of the Dapper docs... I guess I can still dredge some of that stuff up
[07:42] <Flannel> Madpilot: Or we can just look at the wiki! http://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[07:42] <persia> The switch from aptitude must have been earlier then.
[07:43] <Flannel> (note: that page even has been updated for old-releases)
[08:21] <Madpilot> later, all. Sleep.
[08:24] <KB1JWQ> Someone want to handle switch in #ubuntu? :-)
[08:24] <Tm_T> on it
[09:38] <jussi> Jordan_U: you mightve been better off telling him about offtopic first - perhaps a good idea in pm now
[09:39] <Jordan_U> jussi: I know it's a bit odd but could you possibly do that? I need to leave.
[09:39] <jussi> k
[09:40] <Jordan_U> Thanks.
[13:59] <bazhang> * [Roobet] (~caffery@france1.pointtoserver.com): smut rut but   hoober?
[14:00] <Pici> yes
[14:18] <bazhang> waza_ari command is safe?
[14:18] <bazhang> "mv *[^.]"
[14:21] <Pici> ugh
[14:21] <Pici> hoober has been at it in our ircc channel for the past 20 minutes.
[14:24] <bazhang> Is there mIRC For ubuntu?
[14:24] <bazhang> xchat I guess
[14:24] <Pici> There is not linux mIRC, unless you use wine.
[14:25] <bazhang> ah suttiwit
[15:17] <bazhang> ubuntuluver and c0nd0m seem to be tag teaming various channels
[15:27] <gpc> I hate mornings
[15:27] <bazhang> used an @mark to explain
[15:28] <gpc> ?
[15:29] <bazhang> ie @mark #channel user@nick issue here
[15:29] <bazhang> shows up in BT
[15:29] <gpc> yup, just read it
[16:19] <Pici> bazhang, gpc: Hes already been in the ircc channel and has been directed to our mailing list if he needs to make an appeal.
[16:19] <gpc> ok
[16:20] <bazhang> Pici, presumably you see the goings-on in #freenode at the moment
[16:20] <Pici> I am. Thats why I mentioned it ;)
[16:20] <bazhang> thanks :)
[16:21] <Pici> 3. I am using an IP
[16:21] <Pici> wow.
[16:22] <gpc> that is 1337
[16:23] <ikonia> "leet" elite
[16:23] <ikonia> oops
[16:23] <ikonia> sorry, I read "what is l33t
[16:24] <gpc> hehe
[16:25] <Pici> I suggest staying out of the conversation in #freenode, its offtopic there and this person has already had their options explained to them.
[16:27] <gpc> I was just trying to get a better understanding of the circular logic he is using to justify why his ban evasions are not admissible. he was only trying to ban evade because his ban is not fair.
[16:28] <gpc> my head hurts now
[16:28] <ikonia> ahhh and now jungli joins the party
[16:28] <Pici> pot. kettle.
[16:28] <topyli> "Username and descriptions are changeable. Why didn't they ban my ip so i couldn't enter #ubuntu?" - i'm tempted to say "something tells me they probably will"
[16:29] <gpc> heh
[16:29] <gpc> the ubuntu people are an asset of freenode.
[16:30] <gpc> freenode pwns us?
[16:30]  * Pici shrugs
[16:30] <gpc> I don't recall that in the contract I signed
[16:31] <gpc> it's like watching a t.v. show
[16:31] <gpc> now we are getting the facts
[16:31] <Pici> EvilPhoenix: How can we help you
[16:32] <EvilPhoenix> i take it at least one of you is watching #freenode, you've got someone complaining about being banned from one of the ubuntu channels there...
[16:32] <EvilPhoenix> just wonderin if you guys are watching there is all.  someone's ranting about the unfair-ness of stuff :/
[16:32] <Pici> EvilPhoenix: Yes, hes already been given the proper options to appeal his ban, but it seems he is bent on ranting about it.
[16:32] <EvilPhoenix> mmm
[16:32] <EvilPhoenix> wonder why staff doesnt +q him :/
[16:33] <EvilPhoenix> anyways, was just wondering.  thanks for your time.  :)
[16:33] <Pici> And we'd prefer not to waste #freenode's time with a discussion there, as we've already had numerous with him here and elsewhere.
[16:34] <bazhang> this discussion in here should probably go to someplace offtopic or PM as well
[16:46] <Pici> mquin: Sorry for the spillover, we certainly didn't intend for it to be like this.
[16:46] <mquin> looks like he's ranted himself out now (hopefully)
[17:25] <Pici> bazhang: irc.ubuntu.com points to chat.freenode.net
[17:25] <bazhang> Pici, thanks for the clarification :)
[17:25] <ikonia> why is he off again in #freenode ?
[17:26] <ikonia> what's kicked him off
[17:26] <Pici> I believe the irc client defautls were changed to prevent confusion, but I could be wrong.
[17:26] <Pici> Who knows?
[17:26] <gpc> ikonia: From what I saw it was just a random restart
[17:26] <ikonia> excellent
[17:44] <bazhang> clearly she meant piracy
[17:44] <ikonia> she said she had the torrents earlier
[17:44] <bazhang> right
[17:45] <bazhang> then ncfi1013 started in on how to burn a torrent (clearly labelled as from a torrent site)
[17:45] <bazhang> err iso/etc
[18:34] <ikonia> fyi: banned sambagirl as she's now claiming she's part of the ubuntu / IBM team and will report this and she's "paid for music torrents" but won't tell me where
[18:39] <ikonia> +r time
[18:55] <ikonia> freenode still getting hit with spam, leaving #ubuntu +r for now
[19:33] <Pici> Can we please respect that #freenode is not for discussing our bans.  If jungli wants to rant about them there then he is free to do so.
[19:33] <Pici> ikonia, gnomefreak ^^
[19:33] <gnomefreak> yes
[19:34] <ikonia> Pici: I'm not discussing bans, I'm reporting persistant ban doding and abuse with multiple cloaked accounts
[19:34] <gnomefreak> Pici: your not staff?
[19:34] <gnomefreak> ikonia: i did
[19:34] <Pici> gnomefreak: No. I'm not staff.
[19:35] <gnomefreak> oh, i thought you were sorry