[01:39] <eternal> stupid people
[01:39] <eternal> stupid people
[01:40] <hamitron> yes?
[01:40] <hamitron> ;)
[01:40] <eternal> do you like it?
[01:40] <popey> eternal: can we help you?
[01:41] <eternal> yes
[01:41] <eternal> i need an answer to something
[01:41] <popey> oh?
[01:56] <nucc1> that was a serious ban :p
[01:56] <popey> going round a lot of ubuntu irc channels causing trouble
[01:58] <nucc1> sunday's not a good day to choose to get a linode. review is slow
[01:58] <popey> :)
[01:58]  * nucc1 sighs
[01:58] <popey> or :(
[01:58] <nucc1> yea, much more empathetic
[01:59] <nucc1> or maybe the first one... either way works i guess
[02:00] <hamitron> popey, should we have a layer of stone inside for strength?
[02:00] <hamitron> or want to see pretty sandstone?
[02:00] <popey> I'm easy :)
[02:01] <hamitron> well, we doing anything inside? ;)
[02:01] <hamitron> apart from burying our bodies
[02:01] <popey> :D
[02:01] <popey> need moar gold!
[02:01] <hamitron> :))
[02:01] <hamitron> need some gold :/
[02:02] <popey> be nice to have a water lift from the bottom
[02:02] <popey> of the world
[02:02] <popey> to the base of the pyramid
[02:02] <popey> inside it
[02:02] <shauno> you're putting popey in a pyramid?
[02:02] <hamitron> haha
[02:02] <hamitron> we not gonna put gold in and booby trap it?
[02:02] <hamitron> ;)
[02:03] <hamitron> suppose the water lift would be handy
[02:04] <nucc1> are you guys building castles in the sky?
[02:04] <hamitron> na
[02:04] <hamitron> I wouldn't mind a tree house after this
[02:05] <nucc1> what i'm reading almost sounds like a description of transformers 2
[02:06]  * nucc1 pegs CPUfreq at 800mhz and goes to sleep
[04:56] <Jora> hi
[07:02] <czajkowski> aloh
[07:02] <czajkowski> a
[07:33] <AlanBell> morning
[08:20] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:22] <Apacheuk> morning
[08:36] <DJones> Morning all
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning.
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:21] <dwatkins> moin moin
[09:39] <daubers> Morning
[10:17] <popey> Morning
[10:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Brave New Age - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/01/31/brave-new-age
[10:18] <KrisDouglas> Hello, is there anyway to stop USC from being stuck on "cancelling" an install
[10:18] <KrisDouglas> ?
[10:47] <davmor2> morning all
[10:47] <HazRPG> morning
[10:48] <HazRPG> \o
[10:55] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:55] <MooDoo> HazRPG: morning
[10:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:56] <HazRPG> MooDoo: :) \o
[10:56]  * HazRPG glugs some coffee
[11:04] <jacobw> morning
[11:04] <andylockran> morning
[11:05] <czajkowski> popey: you on the Ayatana ML ?
[11:06] <popey> i was, dunno if i still am
[11:06] <popey> yeah, maybe
[11:06] <popey> yes
[11:06] <czajkowski> popey: think the r sizing issue was broiught up on that
[11:06] <czajkowski> *brought.
[11:06] <czajkowski> I know it's not the first time I've read about it
[11:06] <popey> which issue
[11:06] <popey> there are many
[11:06] <czajkowski> your bug
[11:07] <popey> no, there are many issues
[11:07] <czajkowski> ok
[11:07]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski good morning 
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Re your bug. That's the way they decided to fix the stupid 1px-wide borders that were virtually ungrabable
[11:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> put a transparent border "outside" the visible window
[11:14] <popey> crack
[11:14] <popey> in a pipe
[11:15] <jpds> popey: Not on a plane?
[11:15] <popey> not in this channel :)
[11:15] <popey> maybe in others
[11:15] <HazRPG> jacobw, andylockran, czajkowski, popey: Morning guys :)
[11:18] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: aye I knew I had read that somehwere..
[11:18]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 not long now my dear! 
[11:18] <czajkowski> HazRPG: hi
[11:19] <davmor2> 3 days
[11:19] <popey> bonkers
[11:19] <popey> sorry czajkowski
[11:19] <czajkowski> popey: I didnt say it made sense, I just knew I wasn't going totally bonkers and had read the reason for it
[11:19] <popey> getting dangerously close to saying goodbye to ubuntu
[11:19] <czajkowski> :(
[11:20] <czajkowski> or not running Unity
[11:20] <czajkowski> I do wonder what goes on in the design teams minds at times when they make such calls
[11:20] <czajkowski> sorry design team folks in here
[11:20] <popey> its not about unity
[11:21] <popey> I quite like the idea behind unity
[11:21] <popey> you've seen my osx desktop, I have the panel on the left just the way unity has it, I like global menu, I like the style
[11:24] <HazRPG> argh the song won't leave my head!
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: you like global menu now?
[11:24] <popey> i never said I didnt
[11:25] <popey> what I dont like is that its broken with sloppy focus
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> "You've seen my osx desktop [...] I like global menu"
[11:25] <popey> 11:24:49 < popey> i never said I didnt
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> ah
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> but you did :)
[11:25] <popey> where?
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> well, it was related to sloppy focus, you're right
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> but still :)
[11:26] <popey> I like global menu, I dont like the ubuntu bugs in their implementation of global menu
[11:26] <daubers> popey: sloppy focus = focus follows mouse?
[11:26] <popey> clearer?
[11:26] <HazRPG> anyone know why ubuntu might "hang" or freeze after grub but before any kernel buffer messages?
[11:26] <popey> yes daubers
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> daubers: yes
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: \o/
[11:26] <daubers> Right
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: even in rescue mode?
[11:26] <HazRPG> is that "safe mode" type thing?
[11:26] <HazRPG> if so, then yeah
[11:28] <czajkowski> daubers: can you pm your address again, never sent those stickers.
[11:28]  * MartijnVdS re-tried Unity again yesterday
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> but I can't get used to it
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> the "dock" thingy is in the way, OR hidden.. I haven't found a way to get it back when it's hidden (except moving windows out of the way)
[11:29] <HazRPG> I tried it yesterday... didn't like it... just seems wrong
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> the menus were all on top of each other
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> window snapping (to each other) is broken
[11:30] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: My problem with unity is the whole menu being moving from the top of any given window, to the top panel/bar/thing...
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the global menu, yes, that annoys me as well
[11:31] <HazRPG> just doesn't seem right, considering I usually work with 2 screens, and several windows piled next to each other, would slowly get incredibly confusing
[11:31] <HazRPG> I mean, for example now I have 5 windows tiled next to each other
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also: is it one app with 5 windows or 5 instances of one app?
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> what is more than one instance of an app is running
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> how do you tell which menu you're seeing?
[11:32] <HazRPG> a media player in minimal form as a square, contact list, this chat window, a browser in full screen
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I have 10 terminal windows :)
[11:32] <HazRPG> the full screen browser gets alt+tabbed a lot to other programs in full screen on that monitor
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: some with --disable-factory so a crash in gnome-terminal doesn't take everything down
[11:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: lol how come?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: because I program Perl for a living, and have to navigate around source trees a lot :)
[11:33] <HazRPG> that would make sense xD
[11:33] <daubers> popey: Out of interest (since I played with FFM and just wanted to hit it with a stick) how does unity break FFM?
[11:34] <gord> global menu
[11:34] <HazRPG> I've just started freelancing web development (previously worked in an office - but resources were terrible :/)
[11:34] <gord> how do  you get to the menu if there is another window between you and the top panel?
[11:34] <daubers> Ahhhh
[11:34] <popey> mpt suggested I just read te link from my bug report
[11:34] <daubers> So the global menu only focuses on the top panel?
[11:34] <popey> but I dont understand it
[11:34] <popey> and I feel I will look stupid if I ask more questions
[11:35] <popey> so I am left here with broken functionality and no way to fix it
[11:35] <popey> :( <- understatement
[11:35] <HazRPG> one thing I'm interested about is... ubuntu is meant to be "human" or "user-friendly" and "community driven"... yet they're still continuing Unity, when a major of people I've spoken to (and articles I've read) don't seem to accept some of things Unity is bringing to the table
[11:35] <dwatkins>  http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Stbr207TOYrswyt6fPNRfQ?feat=directlink - a tux by my friend Leo
[11:35] <gord> popey, whats the bug?
[11:35] <popey> HazRPG: define major
[11:35] <dwatkins> or should that be 'Tux'?
[11:36] <HazRPG> majority*
[11:36] <popey> bug 674138
[11:36] <popey> HazRPG: define majority
[11:36] <popey> HazRPG: who are these people, how have you polled them, have they used it?
[11:36] <daubers> HazRPG: Just because lots of people are noisy doesn't make them the majority....
[11:36] <daubers> HazRPG: Also.. it's not finished yet?
[11:36] <popey> I find it's just the typical loud mouthed minoritis like fab
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> As long as the "Classic" option remains available, I'll be happy
[11:38] <HazRPG> friends, other coders I work with, etc... along with many websites, youtube videos, etc
[11:38] <czajkowski> is read the link the new way to say to someone to rtfm it. most annoying
[11:38] <popey> HazRPG: how many of them have actually used unity on natty?
[11:38] <czajkowski> :(
[11:39] <HazRPG> popey: *shrug* I know I have, and a few of my friends - but I know a lot of people who have used unity that was shipped with 10.10 for netbooks and quickly switched to the regular edition
[11:39] <daubers> Urgh, that paragraph from MPT about FFM isn't particularly readable
[11:39] <daubers> HazRPG: New Unity is quite different
[11:39] <popey> HazRPG: 10.10 unity is very very very different
[11:39] <popey> daubers: _exactly_
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> daubers: though still just as buggy
[11:40] <daubers> popey: File a bug on the wiki page :)
[11:40] <HazRPG> oh don't get me wrong, I can see the differences
[11:40] <popey> last time I tweeted about it still being broken mpt suggested I go and read my own bug report
[11:40] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's not finished yet!
[11:40] <popey> I have read it 3 times and still dont get it
[11:40] <HazRPG> how does one suggest opinions out to the ubuntu coders out of interest?
[11:40] <daubers> Has the global menu bar got a plugin system of some kind?
[11:41] <gord> popey, it basically means that focus follows mouse isn't taken in to account when choosing which window has control of the global menubar, so if you mouse over something it can become the "active window" but the menu bar will still be the menu of the old window, until you click or tab to it or something
[11:41] <gord> seems like a broken design to me
[11:41] <HazRPG> because I've tried gnome-shell and unity now, and they both seem similar
[11:41] <HazRPG> to say the least
[11:44] <popey> thats not what happens
[11:44] <HazRPG> from gnome-shell/unity I really love the search feature for the menu - that is just pure genius, it means I don't need Gnome DO or similar anymore. Fantastic idea, I love it in Windows 7 too.
[11:44] <popey> also, the global menu has a delay
[11:45] <popey> I often am in firefox and note some seconds after I switch tab, or open a mail, that the global menu changes out of the corner of my eye
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: it has to be pushed over dbus, that takes time!
[11:45] <HazRPG> but the global menu and the dock are just Mac clones in my opinion
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> yeah I saw my brother's mac yesterday, he had the dock on the left.. it's identical
[11:46] <HazRPG> and well, if I'm not mistaken exist as separate apps if you want them
[11:46] <HazRPG> those things are just not innovative in the true meaning of it
[11:46] <popey> not much in computing is innovative
[11:47] <HazRPG> sure, gnome-shell and unity are probably trying to refine it
[11:47] <HazRPG> popey: you saying Compiz wasn't?
[11:47]  * popey checks his logs
[11:47] <popey> I dont think i did say that did I
[11:48] <popey> much of computing today is evolution, not revolution
[11:48] <HazRPG> I guess
[11:48] <popey> some certainly is very innovative
[11:48] <popey> Apple (and to some degree Google, but much less so) deserve some credit for invigorating the touch interface.
[11:49] <HazRPG> personally, if they're doing it right, gnome-shell and unity should be modular, and be able to remove or disable parts you don't need - otherwise your just throwing your own opinions down to everyone
[11:49] <popey> And Ubuntu innovated by having a graphical installer on the Live environment
[11:49] <popey> but live CDs had been around some time, and were mostly pioneered (and became popular) by Knoppix
[11:50] <popey> (although knoppix had an installer on the live cd, it was a manky script)
[11:50] <HazRPG> I always thought it was Knoppix that made LiveCD infamous not ubuntu
[11:50] <popey> yes, it did, thats what I just said :)
[11:50] <HazRPG> :p
[11:50] <popey> I specifically highlighted the "installation" feature of the Live CD which Ubuntu made popular
[11:51] <popey> Launchpad and PPAs were quite an innovation too
[11:51] <HazRPG> yeah, I was just checking lol, because most (even linus) seem to think it was ubuntu :/
[11:51] <daubers> popey: OOI how does osx deal with FFM?
[11:51] <popey> OSX has no ffm
[11:51] <popey> AIUI
[11:51] <popey> HazRPG: are you referring to his interview at OMG Ubuntu?
[11:52] <popey> if so, he also specifically highlighted the installer, not live CDs in general
[11:52] <HazRPG> popey: yeah, I was reading that and thought "that can't be right somehow"
[11:52] <popey> Linus agrees with me ;)
[11:52] <HazRPG> popey: oh I don't doubt that ^^,
[11:52] <popey> hehe
[11:53] <HazRPG> I recall him saying it in the interview
[11:53] <popey> "That popey dude, he's always right"
[11:53] <popey> yeah, I think they edited that out
[11:53] <HazRPG> but the way the editor/interviewer portrayed it just seemed off
[11:54] <gord> popey, i know thats not what happens - i don't see the dx team implementing support for that honestly, you don't get information for how a window was focused to make that kind of decision
[11:54] <HazRPG> daubers: what's FFM?
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: focus follows mouse
[11:55] <HazRPG> ah
[11:55] <daubers> gord: How easy is it to find out if FFM is on?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it's one gconf key
[11:55] <daubers> Is there a dbus thing for it?
[11:55] <daubers> Hmm....
[11:55] <gord> daubers, no idea, i expect there is a gsettings key for it that you can watch
[11:55]  * daubers might break his global menu in a horrific manner this evening
[11:55] <davmor2> popey: you going to try Kubuntu instead?
[11:55] <gord> honestly, i think disabling global menu if ffm is on is a much better solution
[11:55] <HazRPG> anyone know if unity will be able to disable/enable some features - or if its just WYSIWYG sorta deal?
[11:56] <daubers> HazRPG: You can kill the global menu
[11:56] <popey> hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahaha
[11:56] <popey> no
[11:56] <HazRPG> *sigh* :(
[11:56] <HazRPG> good thing I don't fear tampering then :/
[11:56] <popey> (my laugh was @daubers)
[11:57] <davmor2> popey: Is that a maybe?  Xubuntu perhaps or lubuntu
[11:57] <popey> maybe I should just install OSX on my desktop :)
[11:57] <daubers> popey: Killing the global menu is easy :) I did it last night by accident
[11:57] <shauno> that was my route.  OSX on anything that has a monitor, ubuntu on anything that doesn't.  no regrets.
[11:59] <HazRPG> popey: see, the reason I use any Linux distro is because its *not* OSX or Windows
[11:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Of course installing OSX on non-apple hardware is in-breach of their non-free licensing AFAICT.
[11:59] <daubers> There are a few things that annoy me about OSX, but my major quibble at the moment is how pigging hard it is to develop in
[11:59] <HazRPG> and actually *works* (I use loosely, because with anything you'll have faults somewhere)
[11:59] <popey> or I could just buy a hulking great mac
[11:59] <popey> and donate my desktop to charity
[12:00] <popey> (to make me feel better) :)
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> a "feelgood mac"
[12:00] <gord> daubers, setting UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 is a much saner way of disabling global menu :)
[12:00] <popey> hehe
[12:00] <popey> also!
[12:00] <popey> not having any way to edit launchers is annoying
[12:00] <gord> edit?
[12:00] <popey> add command line parameters
[12:00] <popey> like --debug=1
[12:01] <popey> or --profilemanager
[12:01] <popey> I filed a bug and mark basically said "no"
[12:02] <gord> you can add extra command line parameters to the desktop file and they'll show up in the right click menu - but honestly to do that would break matching (this gedit window, is it from the gedit launcher or the gedit --foobar launcher? =\)
[12:02] <popey> indeed
[12:02] <popey> so it's a regression
[12:03] <popey> I can have two icons on the panel, "Launch Firefox" "Launch Firefox in debug mode"
[12:03] <popey> easy to see which is which by hovering over or placing where I want them
[12:03] <popey> cant do that in unity
[12:03] <popey> of course some would argue that putting command line options on programs is clearly an outdated way to configure applications
[12:03] <shauno> or giving the debug one a fun icon, which is usually done in launcher edit
[12:04] <gord> i disagree, its not a regression, its a different way of handling your windows. not by window but by application
[12:04] <popey> and I should file bugs against the upstream projects to get them to convert all command line parameters to preferences dialogs
[12:04] <gord> like i said, you can edit the desktop file like http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/how-to-add-thunderbird-to-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu/ and get the extra options in a right click menu
[12:04] <popey> semantics gord
[12:04] <popey> yes, editing desktop files
[12:04] <popey> lovely
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[12:05] <popey> also note that guide is broken
[12:05] <popey> it says use ALT+F2
[12:05] <popey> plus it breaks when that app updates its .desktop file
[12:10] <daubers> popey: You sound like you need some cake
[12:10] <daubers> and a mug of tea
[12:10] <Joeb454> daubers: there's never a time somebody doesn't need cake and tea, let's be honest
[12:13]  * TheOpenSourcerer is in agreement with popey
[12:13] <shauno> I'm trying to figure out how to use 'case of the mondays' in a sentence without sounding even more annoying & irrelevant than normal
[12:25] <dwatkins> I think you just did, shauno...
[12:25]  * HazRPG wants to win the lottery
[12:36] <shauno> I guess I'm gonna luck out and not find out what all the fuss is about until the next LTS.  Hopefully the dust will have settled a bit by then
[12:39] <MooDoo> HazRPG: get in the queue
[12:41] <HazRPG> MooDoo: Indeed.
[12:41] <HazRPG> shauno: agreed.
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: remember: it's just as likely to be 12345678 as it is to be your ticket number :)
[13:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah I know ;)
[13:12] <HazRPG> I don't do the lottery often
[13:12] <HazRPG> but when I do, I always hope I'm going to be one of those you hear about that barely ever does the lottery, and that one ticket they do put on becomes the winner :P
[13:13] <HazRPG> but obviously odds are odds
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I know people who call it "idiot tax" ;)
[13:13] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: it might as well be haha
[13:14] <HazRPG> the national lottery here in the UK sometimes sponsors the renovation of parks, buildings, etc... so it might as well be an "idiots tax"
[13:30] <Twinkletoes> When installing nagios, should I install from source (3.2.3) or from the repos (3.2.0)?  In the past I've noticed that sometime it takes a long time to update the nagios package so am unsure which to go for
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Twinkletoes: do you need features that are in 3.2.3 that are not in 3.2.0?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Twinkletoes: security fixes are always backporte
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> d
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> packages = easier
[13:49] <HazRPG> wow, how did I not know about brainstorm.ubuntu.com sooner!
[13:49] <HazRPG> for those interested, I've posted a comment at the end of this one: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/26902/
[13:57] <shauno> that kinda thing irks me.  I do use app-based filtering a lot.  having half a thread telling me why I don't want it isn't very useful
[13:58] <HazRPG> shauno: yeah, but the default could be to work as normal
[13:58] <HazRPG> and if needed to be turned off altogether
[13:59] <shauno> sure, that's a sensible default
[14:00] <popey> HazRPG: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4/
[14:00] <popey> :)
[14:01] <HazRPG> popey: are you saying this is already implemented?
[14:02] <popey> nope
[14:02] <popey> just pointing out some of us knew about brainstorm :)
[14:02] <popey> (note the idea submitter) :)
[14:03] <AlanBell> and idea number
[14:03] <HazRPG> Alan Pope?
[14:03] <popey> <-
[14:03] <HazRPG> name rings a bell
[14:03] <HazRPG> ^^<
[14:03] <popey> :)
[14:03] <HazRPG> ^^,*
[14:04] <HazRPG> I wasn't doubting you guys didn't know :P, I just pointed out that I'd only just found out about it ^^,
[14:04] <HazRPG> and was just pointing out the one I posted :P
[14:04] <daubers> It's the cloud expo thing this week isn't it
[14:04] <popey> yes
[14:04] <popey> just teasin HazRPG :)
[14:04] <HazRPG> 2-3rd feb
[14:05] <HazRPG> popey: :P
[14:05] <HazRPG> ahh, you guys love me really ^^,
[14:05] <HazRPG> even if I am annoying at times
[14:05] <HazRPG> might have to join in on some minecraft later tonight with you guys :P
[14:06] <popey> you're not annoying at all
[14:06] <HazRPG> really?
[14:06] <HazRPG> heh, my friends find my opinionated-self to be annoying
[14:06] <HazRPG> they always think I'm trying to force it on them, when really I just like discussions  to see others opinions
[14:08] <popey> meh
[14:08] <popey> we can all be like that sometimes
[14:08] <HazRPG> daubers: I'm guessing you meant this: http://www.cloudexpoeurope.com/
[14:09] <AlanBell> good poing
[14:09] <AlanBell> t
[14:09] <HazRPG> daubers: Wed & Thurs are the days, if your going
[14:09] <AlanBell> Daviey: CDs?
[14:10] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Are those the CD's from Canonical?
[14:10] <AlanBell> they should be
[14:10] <daubers> HazRPG: Yep, looking like I'll be there wednesday.... not confirmed on that yet. Waiting for a customer to confirm some dates before I can confirm them
[14:11] <HazRPG> daubers: I'm tempted to go, but not sure if its worth me going at all.
[14:11] <HazRPG> Since it sounds like more a corporate gig, then a "enthusiast" gig
[14:12] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I hope everyone's remembered to get their T-shirts :P
[14:14] <daubers> HazRPG: I'm actually going for work, so it's an all expenses paid gig for me anyway
[14:15] <HazRPG> daubers: ha, nice :).
[14:15] <AlanBell> HazRPG: it is for enthusiatic corporates :)
[14:15] <HazRPG> AlanBell: You knew what I meant ;)
[14:16] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a business focussed thing, which is totally one place that Ubuntu needs to be
[14:16] <HazRPG> AlanBell: This is very true.
[14:16] <AlanBell> as well as a consumer thing
[14:16] <AlanBell> and geek thing
[14:17] <HazRPG> \o I'm a geek
[14:17] <Myrtti> happened in real life: How do you know that a car has really been designed by French?
[14:17] <AlanBell> and a consumer, and I am guessing you work too
[14:18] <Myrtti> They've included and integrated "Perfume Dispenser" on the dash.
[14:18] <Myrtti> s/and/an/
[14:18] <AlanBell> Myrtti: I was going to guess a baguette holder
[14:18] <dwatkins> The new VW Beetle has a vase.
[14:18] <shauno> I always wondered why the new bugs had sunflowers in the dash, but I couldn't pin that on the french
[14:19] <Myrtti> dwatkins: yeah, but that's because it's a hippy car
[14:19] <dwatkins> Indeed, Myrtti :)
[14:19] <Myrtti> :->
[14:19] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Errr... that's a grey area. Consumer, yes. Working, sort of... if you call Freelancing work. This is my first Freelance project that I'm working on at the moment. Don't really have more projects lined up yet...
[14:20] <AlanBell> Freelancing on Ubuntu?
[14:21] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Not quite, I use ubuntu to do my projects...
[14:21] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I'm a web developer at heart. Been doing it since I was 13. Even worked for a year between college/uni for a design company doing web development. I'm by no means good at design though.
[14:22] <HazRPG> AlanBell: This is my portfolio website I've been working on in my spare time for the past 2 years: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/
[14:23] <HazRPG> Even has some of the websites I've done in the gallery - but the designs aren't mine, so I can't take credit for that. Stuff I've helped designed are on http://www.softboxproductions.co.uk/
[14:24] <gord> when i used to freelance, i would use ubuntu, use gtk/python to build apps, django for web work, was fun
[14:24] <HazRPG> I use aptana for my web work
[14:25] <gord> its been about two years since i freelanced, not sure what the cool kids are using for web stuff anymore
[14:26] <HazRPG> Personally, any editor does the job for me - been coding that long for the web that I can pretty much visualise it in my head by looking at the code (sounds so bad when I type it out like that)
[14:27] <gord> oh, i was talking about the framework
[14:27] <HazRPG> oh, heh
[14:27] <HazRPG> Smarty works great for templates... personal preference though.
[14:27] <gord> for web stuff it doesn't matter, i'm convinced that 99% of php "coders" use notepad.exe
[14:28] <HazRPG> gord: *put head down in shame*
[14:29] <shauno> I just use vim for most things.  textmate if it's going to be long/involved/messy/involve too many files, but mostly just vim
[14:29] <HazRPG> gord: I find myself switching between gedit, SciTE (scitella?), aptana and dreamweaver for my php stuff
[14:30] <dwatkins> I've heard good things about Textpattern as a content management system, I guess that's what the cool kids are using, gord.
[14:30] <shauno> heh, I won't share my thoughts on dreamweaver ;)
[14:30] <HazRPG> however I've managed to stop myself from using Dreamweaver altogether - mainly cos it was a uni version I use to use and I don't plan on playing ridiculous amounts for a licence for it.
[14:32] <HazRPG> shauno, gord: Cappuccino is another one that seems to pop up from time to time these days too.
[14:32] <dwatkins> There's always BlueFish, Komposer or whatever it's been renamed to
[14:32] <diplo> netbeans user here
[14:32] <HazRPG> diplo: I use that for Java
[14:32] <diplo> We use Codeigniter
[14:33] <diplo> It's good for PHP/html etc as well
[14:33] <gord> i also don't really care about what the cool kids are using either ;) web development became boring after django fixed it all and made server stuff really easy ;)
[14:33] <HazRPG> diplo: interesting
[14:33] <diplo> SVN client in plugins
[14:33] <gord> client side javascript is getting interesting though
[14:33] <diplo> Cross platform as well
[14:33] <gord> webgl could be very very interesting
[14:33] <diplo> Bit of a hog is the downside
[14:33] <HazRPG> gord: You mean like jQuery? xD
[14:33] <Laney> last I heard it was web.py was good
[14:34] <HazRPG> Laney: thought web.py was Python related websites?
[14:35] <Laney> yeh
[14:35] <Laney> http://webpy.org/
[14:35] <HazRPG> Laney: heh already found that :P
[14:35] <Laney> :>
[14:35] <HazRPG> I thought since most "hosts" don't tend to put Ruby on Rails, or the Python one, people didn't use it as often.
[14:36] <gord> jquery is just a way of dealing with the crappy html DOM in a programmatic form, don't know why people get so excited about it, its what the js api should of been in the first place
[14:38]  * HazRPG trying to think of the name of the stuff I heard about that gord meant.
[14:38] <gord> HazRPG, i meant what i said.
[14:39] <HazRPG> gord: yeah I know, there's a framework that's been made to facilitate it - but can't remember what its called now
[14:39] <HazRPG> its gonna bug me now
[14:41] <HazRPG> gord: Prototype, script.aculo.us, MooTools, Dojo are the only ones that come to mind :/
[14:43] <HazRPG> gord: ah man, how'd I forget this one xD www.ape-project.org
[14:44] <dogmatic69> is it possible to pass params of a command with alias?
[14:44] <dogmatic69> eg 'mycommand <param>' -> 'cd /some/path/<param>/foo'
[14:44] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: no, but you can with a function
[14:44] <dogmatic69> oh
[14:46] <dwatkins> An alias just replaces text with what the alias is for, although you could use it to cd into a directory by cding into the level above and ending with "; cd " for it to paste the part afterwards
[14:46] <dwatkins> heh, I suspected this was what you were wanting to do, dogmatic69 :)
[14:46] <HazRPG> gord: heh, is that you moving your ape around?
[14:46] <gord> HazRPG, no
[14:47] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: i want to make 'shortcuts' to my git repos, eg "site site1" goes to /var/ww/sites/site1.dev/public_html
[14:48] <dogmatic69> ive got everything set up generic like that so it can work
[14:48] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: yeah, use bash functions
[14:49] <dogmatic69> ill have to do some reading :D
[14:49]  * popey tickles Laney 
[14:50] <Laney> ey up popey
[14:50] <Laney> I just hid me a geocache on campus
[14:56] <ali1234> popey: are you doing something on the minecraft server? it keeps saying it is backing up... seems to be stuck in a loop
[14:57] <popey> yes, sorry
[14:57] <popey> its manual
[14:57] <popey> I'm trying to make the backup script better
[14:58] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: would i be looking up 'bash scripting'?
[14:58] <popey> seems to be working now, so this should be the last run ali1234, going to make it backup hourly from now on
[14:59] <ali1234> no problem, it doesn't seem to be affecting me. just thought it might be a runaway script or something
[14:59] <popey> hehe, thanks
[15:01] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: You could read the entire bash manpage, or just look up 'bash functions' online, I imagine.
[15:02] <dogmatic69> should be simple coming from php
[15:09] <andylockran> anyone help with some simple regex?
[15:10] <andylockran> check if first character is 0, then the other can be 0-9, or # + and *
[15:10] <dogmatic69> [0-9]+
[15:10] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:10] <andylockran> I got ^0[0-9]#
[15:10] <dogmatic69> i was just giving you a simple regex :D then you said about numbers
[15:11] <andylockran> I got "^0[0-9\#\*\+]+$"
[15:11] <Myrtti> http://txt2re.com/
[15:12] <dogmatic69> ^0([0-9]\#|\+|\*)+$ maybe
[15:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Adding photos to my Ubuntu One contacts - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/01/31/adding-photos-to-my-ubuntu-one-contacts
[15:26] <daubers> gord: I finally got my minecraft boosters to work properly
[15:28] <gord> daubers, cool, now you get to try and perfect the design forever ;)
[15:31] <iclebyte-work>   i have an interface connected to a replicated port from a cisco switch, the interface has no IP however I can see the traffic coming in on eth1 (currently 25gb) - I'm trying to monitor it with softflowd so we can generate netflow data, this worked using a bridge but doesnt seem to work using 1 interface in promiscuous mode, any ideas?
[15:31] <daubers> gord: Heh, I'm having to double my tracks so I have an upline and a downline
[15:31] <daubers> Also tempted to start opencast mining in some areas at the moment
[15:31] <gord> not useful
[15:32] <gord> diamond and gold only spawn at lower levels
[15:35] <Myrtti> I'll probably start making signs a lot soon
[15:35] <Myrtti> I've gotten lost in my mines so many times it's not funny
[15:37] <Myrtti> I wish I had an external monitor though :-(
[15:37] <Myrtti> got used to a big screen while in Berlin and now this laptop feels inadequate for minecraft.
[15:37] <Myrtti> actually, it is inadequate in many ways, I've got a new one waiting at the office but it's behind lock and key atm
[15:37] <Myrtti> when I get the new one I'll open this baby up and clean the fans and stuff
[15:38] <Myrtti> four gigs of RAM doesn't take away the fact that the CPU is trashing with any java app
[15:39] <Myrtti> "nooooooooo, not Java!!!!111"
[15:39] <directhex> damn, i meant to try it with ikvm, for fun
[15:43] <directhex> hah, login screen with the latest ikvm snapshot!
[16:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] AskUbuntu reaches 7000 questions - 15000 answers - 9800 users - 70000 votes - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/askubuntu-reaches-7000-questions-15000-answers-9800-users-70000-votes
[16:19] <lazarus_>  how do i turn off the login sound via terminal on ubuntu
[16:20] <popey> lazarus_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/437429
[16:22] <lazarus_> popey: thanks
[16:22]  * lazarus_ adds no config script
[16:29] <lazarus_> to*
[16:30] <daubers> Myrtti: I can't play Minecraft on my mac mini, not enough RAM, poor little thing starts swapping it's head off
[16:31] <popey> how much ram does it have?
[16:31] <daubers> popey: 2GB
[16:31] <popey> tried pressing f to limit the draw distance?
[16:32] <daubers> Tempted to max it out at 8GB as it's only £70 to do so
[16:32] <daubers> popey: Nope
[16:32] <daubers> Didn't know about that :)
[16:32] <popey> and switch off see-through trees
[16:32] <popey> those will both help a lot
[16:32] <daubers> Might give them a go this evening
[16:34] <czajkowski> So who's going to the Open souce expo thingy this week ?http://www.opensourceexpo.co.uk/
[16:34] <czajkowski> o/
[16:39] <danfish> czajkowski: o/
[16:39] <czajkowski> yay
[16:40] <danfish> czajkowski: you going for the whole thing?
[16:41] <czajkowski> danfish: all depends, I know I'm definately there Thursday
[16:41] <czajkowski> not sure yet about wednesday will depend on how tomorrow goes
[16:41] <daubers> czajkowski: o/
[16:42] <danfish> I'll definitely be there Weds afternoon and probably thurs am
[16:42] <czajkowski> so all depends on how much I get done tonight
[16:55] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[16:55] <popey> lo
[16:56] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[16:58] <aptanet> popey, how do I upload to the heads directory? I can't find details on the wiki
[16:58] <Baikonur> how offtopic friendly is this channel?
[16:58] <Baikonur> oh, and hi
[16:59] <Azelphur> Baikonur: reasonably :)
[17:00] <Azelphur> as long as it doesn't get in the way of support, and it's sort of on topic, then it's ok
[17:01] <dutchie> Azelphur: and CoC-friendly, of course
[17:01] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:03] <popey> aptanet: you dont need to, i replied to you saying i fixed it
[17:03] <brobostigon> food and drink seems to get talked about abit, :)
[17:10] <aptanet> popey, I replied, and the link is sorted, just no image so I assumed I either needed to upload, or it would be helpful to do so :)
[17:12] <aptanet> not overly worried about my face not being there, just the planet not having a 'glitch'!
[17:12] <aptanet> Jamie Bennett has the same glitch
[17:13] <popey> aptanet: will see wassup when i get home, sorry about that
[17:14] <aptanet> no worries, no rush from my end :)
[17:15] <n1md4> evening all.
[17:15] <brobostigon> afternoonings n1md4
[17:16] <aptanet> I must be getting old, the first thing that came to mind then was Dixon of Dock Green!!
[17:16] <n1md4> I've upgraded the physical disks from 250GB to 1TB; sadly it's MPT Fusion.  mpt-status shows 1TB drives, but the space is not available, I'm still stuck on 250GB.
[17:17] <n1md4> Is there any way of of increasing the capacity.
[17:22] <gord> n1md4, i don't think any of us know what you are talking about
[17:22] <gord> context is essential
[18:04] <n1md4> gord:  I have a server with hardware RAID.  It used to have 250GB drives.  I powered down the machine and replaced 1 250GB drive with a 1TB.  I powered back up and the drives synced.  I powered down again and replaced the remaining drive, and rebooted, again these synced.  I'm now booted live with 2x 1TB drives.  The device is configured RAID1, and mpt-status shows the 2x 1TB drives, but fdisk/df still shows the 250G configuration
[18:07] <BigRedS> I'd expect the grow bit to be in te bios for the raid card
[18:07] <cps> evening peeps :)
[18:08] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[18:08] <brobostigon> evening cps :)
[18:08] <AlanBell> yeah, so you now have a 1TB drive with a 250GB partition on it n1md4
[18:08] <cps> BigRedS: I'll let you off since I slept until f
[18:08] <cps> oops
[18:08] <cps> s/f/17:00 todau
[18:08] <chrisfxwolf> Hi everybody!
[18:08] <cps> bah
[18:08] <AlanBell> cps: go back to bed!
[18:08] <cps> hey chrisccoulson
[18:09] <n1md4> BigRedS: thanks ;)  You mentioned about that before, working on Dells (iirc), are you in tomorrow?
[18:09] <cps> chrisfxwolf * sorry
[18:09] <cps> wow, something must be wrong with me :s lol
 all right ;-)
[18:10]  * cps needs to buy a new cd drive for his thinkpad after finding a huge dent in the one that came with it
[18:11] <AlanBell> Daviey: boo
[18:14] <cps> hmm
[18:14] <cps> might also buy a port replicator for my thinkpad as well
[18:14] <BigRedS> n1md4: nah, I'm orf to London tomorrow. And/r faffing with vbulletin.
[18:15] <BigRedS> well, if he wants me to do it in th emorning I could drop by for it, show off htis laptop :)
[18:15] <BigRedS> this laptop which clearly has a keyboard I'm not yet used to :)
[18:26] <BigRedS> cps: what sort of vintage? I may have one if it's obsolete :)
[18:35] <cps> BigRedS: vintage???????
[18:36] <cps> I have a t42 if you're talking about my thinkpad
[18:36] <screen-x> cps: thinkpads like wines, have good and bad years ;-)
[18:36] <cps> screen-x: hah, I remember the loose GPU one I had
[18:38] <NativeAngels> hello
[18:40] <cps> hey NativeAngels
[18:54] <cps> oh dear
[18:55] <brobostigon> what ?
[18:55] <cps> a bit of one of what is probably an integrated circuit just fell out of the cd drive
[18:55] <cps> = FUBAR
[18:55] <BigRedS> oooh, not good
[18:55] <brobostigon> :(not good..
[18:55] <BigRedS> I don't think I've a t42, though
[18:56] <BigRedS> I'll have a rummage when I see them tomorrow
[18:56] <cps> ok
[18:56] <NativeAngels> not ubuntu related whats the best lite distro you use on really old hardware
[18:56] <BigRedS> I like DSL
[18:56] <cps> DSL
[18:56] <BigRedS> but I've not looked at anything else for a long time, there might be newer ones
[18:56] <cps> is what I would go for
[18:57] <brobostigon> lubuntu
[18:57] <cps> so that'll be a new CD drive and a port replicator for my thinkpad
[18:57] <brobostigon> :(
[18:58] <cps> brobostigon: can thinkpads boot up from usb sticks?
[18:58] <brobostigon> cps: depends on the bios.
[18:59] <cps> hmm my bios says it can boot up from usb floppy drives and cd-rom drives
[19:00] <NativeAngels> i know its really ancient but i have a very very old toshiba satalite pro 480cdt with a buffalo pcmcia card
[19:00] <NativeAngels> was just looking what to install on it
[19:00] <NativeAngels> i have tried puppy and dsl
[19:01] <NativeAngels> slackware bsd its just a experiment btw
[19:01] <cps> I think puppy is more feature-rich than dsl anyway
[19:01] <NativeAngels> whats it like with pcmcia cards
[19:01] <cps> no idea, haven't used a pcmcia card ever
[19:02] <NativeAngels> this is the amazing spec
[19:02] <NativeAngels> Toshiba Satellite Pro 480CDT Notebook (233-MHz Pentium MMX, 64 MB RAM, 4 GB hard drive)
[19:02] <NativeAngels> dont laugh
[19:03] <ali1234> on really old hardware i use gentoo
[19:03] <NativeAngels> whats its wireless support like
[19:04] <ali1234> same as everything else on gentoo: you have to do it yourself
[19:04] <NativeAngels> it dosnt have a ethernet connection
[19:06] <NativeAngels> have you heard of antix ?
[19:16] <HazRPG> it shouldn't be too hard to fit an electric shower... right?
[19:16] <cps> HazRPG: oh lawd
[19:16] <cps> I hear it can be very difficult
[19:17] <BigRedS> AIUI, it's not *that* hard. But it's a lot easier to get wrong that right
[19:17] <BigRedS> depends on what you mean by 'electric shower' though, the boxes that just want cold in are relatively easy
[19:21] <BigRedS> I'm trying to get vsftpd/pam-mysql working, but can't find any way of logging that interface. Anyone got any ideas?
[19:21] <BigRedS> I can see that vsftpd is saying 'wrong password', but I want to chck there's no problems in the mysql bit
[19:25] <HazRPG> BigRedS, cps: I'm replacing an old electric shower that no longer works properly, with a new one that's of exactly the same make/model
[19:25] <HazRPG> so all the wiring and plumbing is already done, I'm just switching it over to a working one
[19:25] <cps> HazRPG: Ah right.
[19:25] <HazRPG> shouldn't be too hard, should it?
[19:25] <BigRedS> HazRPG: ah, should be fine. Assuing it really is exactly the same :)
[19:25] <BigRedS> just good scope for getting water all over the place...
[19:26] <HazRPG> Checked make/model/revision numbers - they're exactly the same :) same fittings, placement etc
[19:26] <HazRPG> BigRedS: how'd ya mean?
[19:26] <BigRedS> HazRPG: not tightening things properly, or breaking things. There's just always water where there shouldn't be...
[19:27] <ali1234> you have to get the pressure just right too
[19:27] <ali1234> too low and it will overheat and shut down
[19:27] <BigRedS> yeah, which might not be as simple as just copying the old one
[19:27] <BigRedS> it is always trial and error though
[19:27] <ali1234> too high and it will never be more than luke warm
[19:27] <HazRPG> hmmm...
[19:27] <BigRedS> depends on the ratio of pressure between your hot and cold feeds. It should be pretty close to the last pump
[19:28] <HazRPG> its just a cold water feed
[19:28] <BigRedS> ohhh
[19:28] <BigRedS> yeah, that should be fine then
[19:29] <HazRPG> I was wondering what you guys were talking about originally
[19:29] <HazRPG> I'm good with electrics... just don't know about the water side of things T_T
[19:34]  * HazRPG consults DIY manual
[19:34] <HazRPG> would I have to get it approved?
[19:34] <HazRPG> and would that cost money?
[19:34] <BigRedS> AFAIK, only if you're fiddling with distribution boxes
[19:35]  * HazRPG notices the note at the bottom
[19:35] <BigRedS> for the electrics. Not for plumbing. You may need to jump through additional hoops if you're renting though
[19:36] <HazRPG> BigRedS: owned house - parents - they live/work abroad
[19:36] <HazRPG> they know I'm doing it :)
[19:36] <BigRedS> haha
[19:36] <exobuzz> popey, http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/joggler/vaapi.png
[19:36] <HazRPG> its great living rent free ;)
[19:36] <BigRedS> My mum did once come back from holiday to find my dad had removed a chimey breast :)
[19:36] <brobostigon> loll
[19:37] <HazRPG> haha
[19:37] <cps> LOL
[19:37]  * HazRPG tries to understand what's going on in that picture.....
[19:37] <cps> HazRPG: I'm baffled as well!
[19:39] <HazRPG> I like how the homebase website's DIY stuff pretty much says all the tools you don't need, but they sell :/
[19:39] <HazRPG> and other various materials
[19:44] <HazRPG> I like how the model on the website for this shower looks so much better than the one I have :/
[19:44] <HazRPG> almost confused me for a moment
[19:44] <HazRPG> but it is the right one - and is exactly the same as the one in the house
[19:44] <daubers> Evening
[19:45] <cps> g'devening daubers
[19:46]  * cps wonders why there has been a load of scottish chav likes on facebook lately
[19:50] <HazRPG> think I found out why the old was knackered
[19:51] <HazRPG> one of the wires on the system looks rusted and black
[19:51] <HazRPG> guessing due to steam
[19:51] <cps> oh dear
[19:51] <HazRPG> also, the plastic bit at the bottom of the box wasn't attached to the unit to stop steam getting in
[19:51] <HazRPG> typical :/
[19:51] <HazRPG> must have been a cowboy job :/
[19:52] <brobostigon> :(
[19:55]  * cps remembers accidentally borking the shower in his stepdad's old flat
[19:55] <cps> it started getting a bit cold so I turned it up more, but it still stayed cold
[19:55] <cps> my stepdad thinks it overheated :/
[19:58] <HazRPG> okay, the wiring on that old one looks scary
[19:58] <HazRPG> the wires from the main box to the unit is fine
[19:58] <HazRPG> however the wires on the actual unit itself, look... different... to this one
[19:59] <HazRPG> all sorts has been ... er ... bodged together
[19:59] <HazRPG> to make it "work" agani
[19:59] <HazRPG> again*
[19:59]  * HazRPG is so glad he just bought a new one and not had a guy just "fix" it
[19:59] <cps> oh yes
[19:59] <cps> just “fixing” it can be really dodgy
[19:59] <HazRPG> we called a guy for a quote and he said it was going to cost £40 to "fix"
[20:00] <HazRPG> I can see why :/
[20:00] <cps> :\
[20:00] <HazRPG> personally that stuff just looks unfixable
[20:00] <HazRPG> and to fix, one would have to do the same cowboy effect to do so
[20:00]  * HazRPG wonders if even touching it would be wise
[20:01] <cps> I doubt it
[20:01] <cps> is the electricity isolated?
[20:06] <HazRPG> you mean grounded?
[20:06] <HazRPG> then yes
[20:06] <HazRPG> I'd be worried if it wasn't >_<
[20:07] <Baikonur> my computer isn't on a grounded socket
[20:07] <Baikonur> it kinda sucks
[20:09] <cps> darn
[20:09] <cps> my plan to make Azelphur lose The Game backfired :/
[20:10] <HazRPG> I won the game years ago :/
[20:21]  * HazRPG hopes my sister hasn't turned the washing machine on
[20:21] <HazRPG> overwise it'll have no water soon xD
[20:25] <cps> :P
[20:27] <popey> evening
[20:27] <mgdm> 'lo popey
[20:28] <HazRPG> evening
[20:29] <ging> thin gym ebob ?
[20:32] <OmNomSequitur> HazRPG: install Ubuntu Kitchen Remix Edition on your washing machine.
[20:48] <Azelphur> curiosity question for anyone following it, how are we doing in terms of rfid in supermarkets?
[20:48] <Azelphur> is everything tagged yet?
[20:51] <moreati> Azelphur: I don't think so, just stuff that gets nicked a lot
[20:51] <Azelphur> aww :p
[20:51] <Azelphur> I want to build the epic item tracking fridge computer :(
[20:51] <Azelphur> (I think we all do xD)
[20:52] <moreati> Closest you'll get is that barcode app Tesco are pushing atm
[20:54] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[20:54] <Azelphur> moreati: have you seen all the rfid paranoia :o
[20:54] <Azelphur> doing some googling, it's madness lol
[20:56] <moreati> Azelphur: only vaguely. Has it progressed beyond 'Big brother will track my every movement, quick microwave all my jeans'?
[20:56] <Azelphur> nope
[20:56] <Azelphur>  "All kinds of personal belongings, including clothes, could constantly broadcast messages about their whereabouts and their owners, it warns."
[20:56] <Azelphur> xD
[20:57]  * brobostigon wonders whysomeone has to ask on the ubuntu germany mailing list, why not to use html email to mailing list,
[20:57] <moreati> All the tags I've noted were on the packaging or the price tag, not sewn into the lining
[20:57] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:59] <Azelphur> moreati: "Unlike the bar code, RFID could be bad for your health."
[20:59] <Azelphur> lol
[21:01] <Baikonur> rfid chips can be potentially dangerous
[21:01] <moreati> Azelphur: You got me thinking though. If one wanted to track movements on a mass scale oen could prbably use bluetooth - most people carry a phone so equipped and most people leave it on. I bet a bluetooth device sends it's MAC address if pinged, even when not listening for new devices to pair with
[21:01] <Baikonur> for instance, a small child could choke on one
[21:02] <Azelphur> haha
[21:02] <Azelphur> moreati: if someone wanted to track movements on a mass scale, they'd use the cell phone network.
[21:02] <Azelphur> that's what it's there for.
[21:03] <Azelphur> and you can locate anyone by name down to like 30 meters, it's like do you want fries with that?
[21:05] <Baikonur> the cell phone networks are for tracking people?
[21:05] <moreati> Azelphur: very true  and much less effort. Though one could get finer resolution in dense crowds using bluetooth as well
[21:06] <Azelphur> Baikonur: well, they've been very successfully repurposed for it, it's all automated and easy to do
[21:06] <Azelphur> moreati: indeed
[21:07] <mgdm> "You can do it" and "are designed for it" do not necessarily follow
[21:08] <Azelphur> mgdm: true, bad wording there :P
[21:08] <moreati> Besides _everyone_ knows that MMR vaccines are the real way the satellites track you11!
[21:09] <Azelphur> :P
[21:10] <Baikonur> i find that no conspiracy theory is full without illuminati, templars or freemasons
[21:10] <Azelphur> moreati: got me thinking how many of these protesters against rfid have mobile phones ;)
[21:10] <cps> back in a second
[21:11] <Baikonur> nwo can represent any of those
[21:11] <Baikonur> or all
[21:12] <moreati> Azelphur: >95%, and probably a good number have nectar/club cards. The straw man sat hear said so :)
[21:12] <moreati> 8here
[21:12] <Azelphur> haha :D
[21:12]  * cps returns
[21:14]  * Azelphur line feeds
[21:15] <cps> Azelphur, why do you keep saying that?!
[21:15] <Azelphur> because that's how it goes, you carriage return and then you line feed
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> CRLF
[21:15] <mgdm> Only on Windows
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you're a Windows man then? :P
[21:16] <mgdm> cps is clearly an old Mac
[21:16] <Azelphur> haha, knew I'd get nabbed for that one!
[21:16] <cps> mgdm, I was a windows man as well ;_;
[21:18] <MH0> Oh, Hai cps :P
[21:18] <cps> MH0, who are you? 0__o
[21:18] <MH0> cps: Look at cloak
[21:18] <MH0> MH0!~ZNC@wikipedia/MichealH
[21:19] <cps> Michael! Long time no speak!
[21:19] <cps> how're you doing?
[21:19] <MH0> :)
[21:19] <MH0> Im doing fine
[21:19] <cps> :D
[21:23] <MH0> You? :)
[21:23] <cps> I'm alright :)
[21:30] <HazRPG> argh!
[21:30] <HazRPG> can't get the nut off the old shower :/
[21:32] <HazRPG> you know the one between the main water supply and the shower unit
[21:32] <HazRPG> I've got it unscrewed and took it off the wall
[21:32] <HazRPG> however I can't get that screw off to be able to fit it onto the new shower
[21:37] <cps> :/
[21:37] <HazRPG> am I missing an obvious trick here :S?
[21:38] <cps> hey dipl0
[21:38] <dipl0> evening
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ##plumbing ;)
[21:40] <cps> hmm
[21:40] <cps> for some reason I can't cp a cursor theme into where it's supposed to be
[21:40] <HazRPG> wow, no way, thers a ##plumbing channel on this server :O?
[21:41] <cps> probably a fedora problem because I've managed it on ubuntu before
[21:41] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: alis says no :/
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: alis?
[21:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: yeah
[21:43] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: /msg list <channel-your-looking-for>
[21:43] <HazRPG> she'll pull up 60 rooms max with your search result
[21:44] <HazRPG> don't forget to put # or ##
[21:44] <HazRPG> try it ;)
[21:44] <HazRPG> use * if your unsure as to the full thing or not
[21:45] <HazRPG> e.g. "/msg alis list #ubuntu" will show one result, but "/msg alis list #ubuntu*" will show all that have ubuntu at the start
[21:45] <HazRPG> same works for *ubuntu
[21:46] <HazRPG> or *ubuntu*
[21:46] <hamitron> or *diy*
[21:46] <hamitron> ;)
[21:46] <HazRPG> indeed ;)
[21:47]  * cps pokes hamitron with a twig from a tree in his back garden
[21:47] <cps> #
[21:47] <cps> oops
[21:47] <hamitron> :/
[21:47] <hamitron> back to minecraft ;)
[21:48] <HazRPG> no one really around in ##diy though :(
[21:49] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: trying to prove a point ;)?
[21:49] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: or just wondering if it actually exists :P?
[21:49] <dogmatic69> just checking what diy was :D
[21:49] <dogmatic69> ye
[21:49] <dogmatic69> would have been cool if it was active
[21:49] <HazRPG> ikr :/
[21:50]  * dogmatic69 likes diy
[21:50] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: think you know how to take this off: http://i56.tinypic.com/vpwxlu.jpg ?
[21:50] <dogmatic69> next big project is diy laser cutter :)
[21:50] <HazRPG> sorry, camera on my nexus one - not so great with the closeups
[21:51] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: :P
[21:51] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: you'll like the ben heck show on revision3
[21:51] <dogmatic69> could you get another angle?
[21:51] <dogmatic69> never seen it
[21:51] <dogmatic69> i only watch bbc iplayer
[21:51] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: http://revision3.com/tbhs <==
[21:51] <HazRPG> its a web-show ;)
[21:51] <moreati> HazRPG: is that the shower side or the supply side, and which bit are you try to remove?
[21:52] <dogmatic69> on sundays, when top gear is on :D
[21:52] <dogmatic69> so is iplayer hehe
[21:52] <HazRPG> moreati: that's the shower side
[21:52] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: yeah but stuff on revision3 never airs on TV lol
[21:52] <HazRPG> moreati: and I'm trying to remove the nut off it
[21:52] <dogmatic69> ill check that out
[21:53] <dogmatic69> maybe its a left hand thread
[21:53] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: you'll like the ben heck show, this his big build at the moment is making a pinball machine from scratch ;)
[21:53] <dogmatic69> or if its the hot pipe its calcified
[21:53] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: just cold pipe
[21:53] <dogmatic69> rusted on
[21:53] <HazRPG> ya reckon?
[21:53] <popey> its plastic isnt it?
[21:53] <dogmatic69> can you see any threads?
[21:54] <HazRPG> yeah
[21:54] <HazRPG> thing is there's a metal thing in the way... hold on I'll take a different angle for ya
[21:55] <dogmatic69> HazRPG: if you can see the threads look close and see if you turning the correct way
[21:56] <HazRPG> oh, no there's threads on the actual nut
[21:56] <HazRPG> around the pipe, appears to have a metal ring around it
[21:56] <HazRPG> you'll see in the next photo
[21:57] <HazRPG> just uploading to dropbox
[21:58] <HazRPG> http://i52.tinypic.com/2iia349.jpg
[21:59] <HazRPG> I hate capchas
[21:59] <HazRPG> http://i56.tinypic.com/2eee7sy.jpg
[21:59] <HazRPG> see the metal ring I'm talking about?
[22:00]  * HazRPG goes to grab a flathead
[22:01] <HazRPG> cool, I've got a flat flathead now xD
[22:01] <HazRPG> good thing I have loads of those things
[22:03] <HazRPG> winner!
[22:03] <HazRPG> got it free :D
[22:03] <moreati> HazRPG: I don't see anything in those photos that looks like it's meant to come off. Are you talking about that brass nut that look like it's designed to be tightened by hand?
[22:03] <HazRPG> tools are a man's best friend :)
[22:04] <HazRPG> moreati: yeah the nut was what I wanted to take off
[22:04] <HazRPG> but the golden ring is around the pipe that was stopping it coming out
[22:04] <cps> HazRPG: what a rather strange thing to say when “Tool Academy” just starts :L
[22:05] <HazRPG> cps: Tool Academy?
[22:06] <AlanBell> HazRPG: the golden ring is an olive
[22:06] <cps> HazRPG: this program on Channel 4
[22:06] <AlanBell> part of a compression joint
[22:06] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ;) thanks, didn't know that's what it was called
[22:07] <HazRPG> been trying to prive this thing off for about 20 mins or more now
[22:07] <HazRPG> moreati: these are the two bits, finally taken off now
[22:07] <HazRPG> http://i51.tinypic.com/1h76ac.jpg
[22:07] <AlanBell> it wouldn't normally be stuck on with anything, just squeezed on by tightening the nut
[22:08] <HazRPG> back to fitting the new shower :D
[22:08] <AlanBell> I plumbed the kitchen in my old house
[22:08] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah I kinda figured, but it's been attached onto this for about 2 years or so ... so make sense that it was sort of stuck on there good n tight
[22:08] <AlanBell> great fun, I had all the kit, pipe cutters blowtorch, solder etc
[22:08] <HazRPG> AlanBell: nice :)
[22:09] <HazRPG> my first proper DIY job was when I fitted a shelf, and a dvd (well book) rack... this would be my second (third?) DIY job now
[22:10] <HazRPG> I've done adapters, plugs, network cables, etc for years though
[22:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: only thing I'm concerned with for this shower, is the old one has plastic caps attached to all the wires - the new one doesn't
[22:12] <HazRPG> I don't know if these were fitted on, or if they were off the shelf this way
[22:13] <AlanBell> are you fitting a shower of the same wattage as you are taking off?
[22:14] <HazRPG> AlanBell: like-for-like
[22:14] <exobuzz> popey, see the link i pasted earlier ?
[22:14] <HazRPG> exact same model/make/wattage
[22:14] <HazRPG> (checked the stickers ;))
[22:14] <exobuzz> popey, basically working (mostly) video acceleration. 720p h264 played using little cpu, but it did glitch during playback. mpeg4 seems fine though
[22:14] <AlanBell> good, some can draw a lot of current
[22:15] <HazRPG> AlanBell: yeah I know, I made sure it was the same - that way it *shouldn't* cause problems
[22:16] <AlanBell> good, I don't mind doing normal electrics, sockets and such, but showers and cookers I give to a real sparky
[22:16] <exobuzz> vaapi 720p mpeg4 - 14% cpu, without vaapi cpu usage is around 50%. for h264, again smiilar cpu, but unplayable without vaapi
[22:17] <HazRPG> AlanBell: see I would never do anything with gas myself
[22:17] <HazRPG> AlanBell: knowing me, I'd blow the house up somehow
[22:17] <HazRPG> (too electrically minded)
[22:17] <HazRPG> I'd probably thing it would be a good idea to turn a torch for a better view and blow myself up xD
[22:18] <HazRPG> think*
[22:19] <HazRPG> well yee ol' faithful manual (for the device) doesn't mention anything about need to put plastic contacts on...
[22:20] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't touch gas either
[22:20] <HazRPG> and my DIY manual/book says something about tape - but that's assuming your fitting in a shower from scratch
[22:20] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ever managed to electrocute yourself before by accident?
[22:20] <AlanBell> incidentally a knowledge of plumbing and a few tools is very useful when you are screwing down loose floorboards without a full understanding of the location of the heating pipes.
[22:20] <HazRPG> man, what a rush that was
[22:21] <AlanBell> top tip that is
[22:21] <HazRPG> :P
[22:21] <Laney> yay my geocache has had visitors already
[22:21] <HazRPG> I'll keep that in mind when I finally get to my Ethernet cable infrastructure down :P
[22:30] <dogmatic69> HazRPG: you get it off?
[22:31] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: yeah :)
[22:31] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:31] <HazRPG> just forgot screws
[22:31] <dogmatic69> i got side tracked
[22:31] <HazRPG> going back into the bathroom now :)
[22:31] <dogmatic69> :D
[22:31] <HazRPG> its cool :P
[22:35] <ash_> i need to now how to reinstall the ubuntu 10.10 default kernel
[22:35] <ash_> via ternimal
[22:53] <cps> bored
[22:55] <ash_> cps, i need to now how to reinstall the ubuntu 10.10 default kernel
[22:55] <ash_> please
[22:56] <cps> ash_: I do not know how to do that because I have not encountered any sort of problem where the default kernel will need to be reinstalled
[22:56] <cps> what's up with the kernel you have?
[22:57] <moreati> and how did you install that kernel?
[22:57] <ash_> cps, its messed up my nvidia drivers
[22:58] <cps> ash_: can you pastebin the output of uname -a please?
[22:58] <cps> !pastebin
[22:59] <ash_> dw i do beleave i have solved it thanks anyway
[23:00] <HazRPG> well shower back in (new one)
[23:00] <cps> :)
[23:00] <HazRPG> just going to connect pipe, shower holder, etc :)
[23:00] <HazRPG> and then see if we have hot running water and pressure :)
[23:04] <cps> humm
[23:05] <cps> my bank account's running a wee bit dry
[23:05] <cps> :/
[23:05] <bigcalm> popey: you need more bandwidth
[23:06] <bigcalm> popey: current_day needs regenerating
[23:12] <cps> evening brobostigon-andr
[23:12] <cps> :)
[23:12] <brobostigon> cps: thats me, on my htc dream.
[23:13] <cps> brobostigon: I guessed hehe
[23:13]  * brobostigon-andr prods cps :)
[23:13] <cps> brobostigon-andr: hello :)
[23:14] <brobostigon-andr> Hi :)
[23:15]  * cps hopes that RAF Leuchars won't be shut down
[23:21] <brobostigon> in andchat's settings, how do i get it to connect to more than one irc room,on start, atthe moment i tried comma's between the room name and just blank space, and both dont work, any ideas?
[23:27] <brobostigon> working it out, no spaces between channel names and comma's.
[23:27] <brobostigon> worked*
[23:29] <HazRPG> argh stupid thing
[23:29] <HazRPG> must not have tightened the water properly
[23:29] <HazRPG> now I have to unscrew it again :/
[23:31] <brobostigon-andr> :(
[23:33] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:59] <HazRPG> success!
[23:59] <HazRPG> everyone's probably gone to sleep :(
[23:59] <HazRPG> oh well... I did it :D
[23:59] <HazRPG> and I didn't get electrocuted
[23:59] <HazRPG> and it works