[02:50] <grantbow> I think I have the right night. Meeting is scheduled to start in about 10 minutes, right?
[02:52] <rww> grantbow: assuming the wiki's correct, yes
[02:52]  * rww hasn't gotten around to putting his Ubuntu meeting reminders in Google Calendar yet :(
[02:57] <pleia2> yep
[02:58] <grantbow> pleia2: I am almost certain I am bannerless. I checked and didn't find any.
[02:59] <pleia2> grantbow: ok, maybe jdeslip has it
[02:59] <jdeslip> grantbow: I must have it
[02:59] <pleia2> :)
[02:59] <jdeslip> I'll look tonight
[02:59] <pleia2> thanks
[02:59]  * grantbow waves
[03:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[03:00] <jdeslip> I think the last time we used it was the Maker Faire
[03:00] <pleia2> Agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January30
[03:00] <pleia2> the only thing we have on it is SCaLE planning
[03:00] <pleia2> we've been updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x as we get more details
[03:01] <pleia2> we just received the booth pack from the SCaLE folks this week, so we have exhibitor badges now
[03:01] <dragon> Announcements after this item?
[03:01] <pleia2> the exhibitor badge gets you in the conference for free, we have 10 of them and can request more as needed
[03:01] <pleia2> dragon: yes
[03:02] <pleia2> so anyone who is volunteering at our booth can get one, just let me know and I'll send you the info
[03:02] <pleia2> if you want to attend but can't help at the booth much, we also have a 50% off code: UBUCA
[03:03] <pleia2> I don't have any news beyond that really, just trying to get together a full list of stuff we're bringing (banner, table signs, etc) and adding them to the wiki as needed
[03:04] <dragon> Does this pass include entry to presentations and such sessions?
[03:04] <pleia2> dragon: yes
[03:05] <pleia2> you just sign up like regular, and at the end to pay for your ticket (including mentoring, whatever else you want) you put in the exhibitor code (different than a coupon code)
[03:06] <dragon> (the table of names on the wiki page has four columns for some reason :/)
[03:06] <pleia2> I think someone did that to make it easier to read, since it's just names
[03:07] <dragon> A bulleted list might be ideal for this. I can make the change, or I can add my name and leave the rest untouched.
[03:07] <pleia2> ok, feel free to change it
[03:07] <rww> I was wondering about that when I saw it too :\
[03:08] <pleia2> anyone else have questions, news, etc regarding scale?
[03:09] <pleia2> erichammond: just talking about scale, any news, questions, comments from you?
[03:09] <erichammond> I have blank CDs
[03:09] <erichammond> And wifi router
[03:09] <jdeslip> I can also burn some disks
[03:10] <pleia2> jdeslip: when you know how many, can you add to the wiki? ( erichammond already added his)
[03:10] <erichammond> Will be able to be in booth some, but can't commit to specific times or amounts in advance
[03:10] <pleia2> specific times will be tricky without a speaking schedule
[03:10] <pleia2> I suspect we'll play it by ear
[03:11] <erichammond> They usually put up a schedule before the event
[03:11] <pleia2> that'll be useful
[03:12] <jdeslip> pleia2: ya
[03:12] <erichammond> Might be useful to put together some talking points for booth volunteers.
[03:12] <pleia2> yeah
[03:13] <erichammond> Might help get more volunteers as some folks may not be sure what to say when somebody just walks up.
[03:13] <pleia2> I'll be printing up some little fliers with all the team info on it too (I'll add to the wiki once I have a better idea what all I'm printing)
[03:14] <erichammond> I'm st
[03:14] <erichammond> Still thinking about what it would take to put together a security cam demo. No promises there either
[03:15] <pleia2> yeah, that would be cool :)
[03:15] <icarus> what do you mean?
[03:16] <erichammond> Do we know how many computers and monitors will be available?
[03:16] <jdeslip> (I can confirm I have the banner)
[03:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:17] <erichammond> Icarus: one or two video cameras with security recording and monitoring software running on Ubuntu.
[03:17] <pleia2> jdeslip: thanks :)
[03:17] <grantbow> jdeslip: thanks
[03:18] <pleia2> ok, so we've got one more meeting before scale and a few weeks to get things together for the booth
[03:18] <pleia2> anyone else have anything, or shall we move on?
[03:19] <pleia2> alrighty, announcements & other stuff
[03:19] <pleia2> as usual, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california has our upcoming events
[03:19] <pleia2> other announcements, comments, etc?
[03:21] <pleia2> dragon: did you have anything?
[03:21] <dragon> yes pleia2, a little announcements
[03:21] <pleia2> go for it :)
[03:21] <dragon> s/s$//
[03:21] <dragon> LAMP Meetup group has an open slot for presentations to the community interested in web development and generally not-so-pro at Linux. We have the place reserved for *Thu, Feb 17*, so in case you have something related to LAMP that you'd like to present, please contact me asap. Even better if it relates to Ubuntu. Will give out free Ubuntu CDs at the event as usual.
[03:22] <pleia2> dragon: do you need any pressed CDs, or are you good?
[03:22] <dragon> pleia2: a few more would be great. ~20?
[03:23] <pleia2> sure, we can talk about how to get them to you later :)
[03:23] <dragon> sounds good, thanks!
[03:24] <pleia2> oh, I almost forgot, for SCaLE canonical shipped out 100 Ubuntu and 100 Kubuntu CDs for us
[03:25] <grantbow> nice
[03:25] <dragon> That's going to help. How many are we burning for SCaLE, approx?
[03:25] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck is bringing all the .iso files on a computer and erichammond is bringing at least 200 blanks, jdeslip said he'd bring some
[03:26] <pleia2> if you want to bring more just update the wiki with your totals so we have some idea
[03:26] <dragon> And there was that program our team started creating for a CD burning station - 'buntu stand?
[03:27] <pleia2> I don't know about that
[03:27] <grantbow> https://launchpad.net/buntustand
[03:28] <pleia2> neat
[03:28] <grantbow> python based distributed but there was a library not checked in for awhile when last I tried to run it.
[03:29] <grantbow> distributed meaning many machines burning as a team over the network
[03:29] <rww> I think that project's... dormant.
[03:29] <erichammond> If we are burning CDs then we also need cd covers.
[03:29] <pleia2> yeah, I think it's safe to say it's not something we'll be able to use at scale
[03:29]  * akk whispers ... copy to USB sticks!
[03:30] <grantbow> Maybe someone will get inspired again but I wouldn't count on it.
[03:30] <pleia2> are the cd sleeves updated for 10.10 and 11.04?
[03:30] <pleia2> akk: even in bulk USB sticks are too expensive for us to give away :(
[03:30] <pleia2> CDs are super cheap
[03:30] <jdeslip> I can print 300 or cd covers
[03:30] <akk> pleia2: I didn't say provide free USB sticks, I said copy to them -- like if somoene comes by with one and wants ubuntu on it.
[03:31] <rww> ^ this worked well last year
[03:31] <pleia2> akk: oh yeah, that's easy :)
[03:31] <akk> It would be way faster than burning CDs, and more useful for most people (except folks with old computers).
[03:31] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck will have all the isos
[03:31] <jdeslip> sounds good
[03:31] <pleia2> also, do we want to update the sleeves with the new branding before scale? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves
[03:31] <dragon> Is it just me, or is System > About Ubuntu actually displaying "You are using Ubuntu 11.04 - the Natty Narwhal - released in April 2011..."
[03:31] <grantbow> more and more machines boot from USB now, and for those that don't there's a few work arounds, one of which I used a few weeks back
[03:31]  * akk would quite like natty burned onto a USB stick, if someone's set up at the booth to make them ... way easier than struggling with making one myself
[03:32] <erichammond> I can print a hunted or two once the design is updated
[03:32] <erichammond> Er, hundred
[03:32] <jdeslip> The latest design does have 10.10 I think
[03:33] <jdeslip> (at least I got some from grantbow that had 10.10)
[03:33] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, I think we want to include 11.04 if we're printing up a bunch
[03:33] <pleia2> and new font would be nice
[03:33] <jdeslip> ah, oko
[03:33] <rww> dragon: /msg ubottu !version-bug
[03:34] <grantbow> jdeslip: compliments of Mr. Paoli
[03:34] <dragon> thanks rww!
[03:34] <rww> (join an ubottu channel if you aren't already in one, or that won't work)
[03:34] <pleia2> ok, well I'll take a look at the sleeves in bzr this week and see what we need to do to get them ready
[03:35] <dragon> rww: figured ;)
[03:35] <dragon> I can print hundreds of b/w sleeves. Please let me know if that'll help.
[03:36] <pleia2> ok, so jdeslip, erichammond and dragon all are able to do sleeve printing
[03:36] <grantbow> dragon: that will help :-)
[03:36] <pleia2> I'll let you guys know when I get the sleeve design sorted and you can work out who is printing what
[03:36] <jdeslip> sounds good
[03:36] <grantbow> awesome
[03:37] <dragon> +1
[03:37] <erichammond> Scale gets bigger every year. Do we have records of how many CDs we distributed in years past?
[03:39] <nhaines> Note that last year's SCaLE attendance was approximately 1400 and the target for this year is only 1500.
[03:40] <erichammond> Ubuntu also gets more name recognition so might get a larger share of interest.
[03:40] <pleia2> we don't have records AFAIK
[03:41] <erichammond> At some point, everybody will have Ubuntu installed so nobody will want a cd :)
[03:41] <pleia2> last year there was an Ubucon too, which isn't happening this time
[03:41] <grantbow> aha, lp:buntustand should compile now according to the checkin comments
[03:42] <grantbow> s/compile/interpret/
[03:42] <erichammond> I thought there were several hundred CDs distributed a year or two ago. Not sure, though.
[03:44] <grantbow> anything else?
[03:45] <pleia2> I'm ready to wrap up
[03:45] <nhaines> Note that buntustand is written in Python and cannot be compiled.
[03:46] <nhaines> Also note that there are records of the CD numbers for every SCaLE we've attended.
[03:46] <pleia2> nhaines: where? ( erichammond was asking)
[03:46] <pleia2> I was looking on the past scale pages but maybe I missed it
[03:47] <nhaines> pleia2: although the LoCo Council has forbidden post-event debriefing meetings, those logs should contain CD estimates.
[03:47] <pleia2> what?
[03:47] <grantbow> ?
[03:47] <pleia2> post-event debriefings are great :)
[03:48] <nhaines> I thought so too and was rebuked.
[03:48] <pleia2> I think you misunderstood :(
[03:48] <nhaines> I hightly doubt it.
[03:48] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09March08
[03:48] <pleia2> thanks rww
[03:48] <akk> Surely it's not forbidden to get together and talk about how well an event went?
[03:48] <nhaines> As regards Southern Califoria Ubucon, I'm currently hoping for an independant event this summer.
[03:48] <pleia2> akk: no, that's crazy
[03:49] <nhaines> akk: that's what they said.  It was a waste of time and should be abandoned.
[03:49] <pleia2> nhaines: that's not true :(
[03:49] <nhaines> pleia2: It is.  They said if an event is mentioned afterwards in a blog then it should not be discussed at a meeting under any circumstances.
[03:49] <pleia2> the didn't like that we had super long meetings which insisted upon attendence of key volunteers for every event to do a wrap-up
[03:49]  * pleia2 sighs
[03:49] <pleia2> I give up
[03:50] <nhaines> That's what a  debriefing is.
[03:50] <erichammond> Lost me.
[03:50] <pleia2> anyway, it's fine to talk about events
[03:50]  * nhaines shrugs.
[03:50] <rww> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/08February24 for SCaLE7x
[03:50] <pleia2> thanks rww :)
[03:50] <pleia2> ok, from the 8x notes:
[03:50] <akk> So maybe it can't be a formal part of a council meeting that requires attendance of council members ... which isn't quite the same as saying folks can't talk about what worked and what didn't.
[03:50] <pleia2> Handed out about 150 CDs (compared to 120 last year), which is notable considering that Canonical was also handing out CDs there. Have about 100 pressed 8.10 desktop 32bit CDs left from the 200 Canonical gave us.
[03:50] <rww> it's a shame that nobody ended up doing meeting summaries when I stopped, btw. They're rather useful.
[03:50] <grantbow> anything else?
[03:51] <pleia2> yeah, if someone could take up writing meeting minutes again it would be great (I already have a giant administrative load)
[03:52] <pleia2> I think we're done :)
[03:52] <rww> just need a /really/ bored college student to go rampaging through the archive. is what I did ;P
[03:52] <pleia2> heheh
[03:52] <grantbow> Thanks everyone for participating.
[03:52] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[03:52] <rww> (the 2010 meetings on the Meetings page should be moved to Meetings/2010, btw. if anyone's looking for some wiki work to do)
[03:53] <pleia2> yeah, I just haven't had a chance yet
[03:53] <pleia2> sorry :\
[03:53] <rww> not a big deal, was just pointing it out in case nobody had noticed yet
[03:55] <jdeslip> rww: you mean the sending of the summary to the mailing list right?
[03:56] <rww> jdeslip: no, I mean summarizing meetings on the wiki like we (I) used to. sending them to the ML would be nice too, though.
[03:58] <jdeslip> Ah, I see that now on the MeetingsChecklist
[03:58] <dragon> btw /Meetings/110130 might be a bit more sortable|parsable|machine-readable than /Meetings/11January30
[03:58] <dragon> just a thought.
[03:58] <jdeslip> I guess no one has been doing the "A Few Days After The Meeting" part
[03:59] <pleia2> right
[03:59] <rww> dragon: I'd have gone with 2011-01-30, but by the time I started poking at meeting pages, there was already a year or two of existing meetings :(
[03:59] <dragon> ah, fair enough
[03:59] <jdeslip> Well, any volunteers wouldn't be turned away :)
[04:00] <dragon> though 2011 might be a good point to switch
[04:00] <rww> so that, you know, when the LoCo has meetings in the year 3000, they're sorted properly.
[04:00] <rww> 2100 **
[04:00] <pleia2> we've already had 2 meetings ;)
[04:00] <pleia2> (now 3)
[04:00] <jdeslip> Ok, good night all
[04:01] <dragon> night all!
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> Do any of you still use dial up service?
[04:18] <iheartubuntu> I am wondering. Lets say Im in Egypt and the presidential "kill switch" is triggered. How will I get online? Dial up maybe?
[04:19] <akk> If they get the local ISPs to shut down, dialing up to them won't help. Unless you're dialing long-distance to your US ISP?
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> hhmmm. or even a foreign ISP
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> I found several free isp phone #'s for California.
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> There looks like a good article in PC World about this. I havent read it yet tho... http://www.pcworld.com/article/218155/get_internet_access_when_your_government_shuts_it_down.html
[04:22] <rww> Egyptians are using foreign dialup, I think.
[04:22] <rww> plus I think one or two ISPs work
[04:22] <iheartubuntu> this article mentions a wireless mesh network. Interesting.
[04:29] <jtatum> amateur radio
[04:30] <iheartubuntu> thats an idea
[05:46]  * kdub can never make the meetings :(
[21:24] <SWonderly> hey all
[21:26] <pleia2> hi SWonderly
[21:27] <SWonderly> ok this computer is screwy.
[21:29] <jamiedmattingly> hi SWonderly and pleia2
[21:29] <SWonderly> Hello Jamie
[21:29] <pleia2> g'day jamiedmattingly
[21:29] <pleia2> SWonderly: any relation to our david? :)
[21:29] <SWonderly> His wife
[21:30] <jamiedmattingly> did you go to scale this weekend?
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: She is my wife.
[21:30] <pleia2> oh, so he's /your/ DarkwingDuck
[21:30] <SWonderly> I am Darkwing's wife.
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> I finally got her on this thing.
[21:30] <pleia2> :)
[21:30] <pleia2> cool
[21:30] <SWonderly> Yep finally got me on here.
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> SWonderly: the person I was telling you about re the Ubuntu Womans thing... it's pleia2
[21:30] <DarkwingDuck> and you guy will hopfully get to meet at Scale
[21:31] <SWonderly> I did not go to scale this weekend. I'm hoping to go to the one in Feb.
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> Scale is n feb.
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> n/in
[21:31] <jamiedmattingly> ok my mistake got dates mixed up
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: it's at the end of Feb
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:32] <SWonderly> Leave it to my husband to correct the dates.
[21:32] <SWonderly> gotta run real quick. Will be back soon to talk.
[22:02] <SWonderly> ok. I'm back.
[23:59] <jbermudes> pleia2: do you still need volunteers for SCaLE?
[23:59] <pleia2> jbermudes: yep!