[00:06] <Traveler> no configure/make experts around lately ?
[00:31] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu = fail for development. end of discussion
[00:31] <MutantTurkey> circular depends, all sorts of crap i've run into. version problems. meh.
[00:32] <MutantTurkey> lets laugh at this link : http://xkcd.com/754/
[00:32] <PennBot> Title: xkcd: Dependencies (at xkcd.com)
[00:43] <Traveler> It shoulda been cpsc432 - cpsc433 prereq       and   cpsc433 - cpsc432 prereq
[00:58] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[02:14] <maciej_> why can't i change a folder permissions to read only after sudo nautiluis
[02:14] <ChinnoDog> Are you on 10.10?
[02:14] <maciej_> yes
[02:15] <ChinnoDog> just a sec. trying it.
[02:15] <maciej_> after i change the file acces to read only as root it jumps back to "-"
[02:16] <ChinnoDog> oh, you mean on the top part of the permissions tab?
[02:17] <maciej_> yeah
[02:17] <ChinnoDog> I think it is because that field is not relevant when setting permissions on a folder
[02:17] <maciej_> i need to copy a folder to my sd card on my android phone but it has to be read only
[02:17] <andrew> evening
[02:19] <ChinnoDog> maciej_: then set folder access to "list files only"
[02:19] <ChinnoDog> If you 'ls -l' you will see that it only sets the read flag on the folder.
[02:21] <maciej_> ok i see now, im very new at this, thank you
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> maciej_: who are you protecting the folder from?
[02:22] <maciej_> the folder has audio.ogg files that i want to use for my ringtones but last i tried to copy the file to the android system it could only be read only
[02:22] <ChinnoDog> Meaning it was not selectable as a ringtone if it was not read only?
[02:23] <maciej_> i couldn't place the folder in the audio section of android , i was moving the folder from my sd card
[02:24] <maciej_> let me see if it works
[02:28] <ChinnoDog> Are you putting the file in /sdcard/ringtones or /syste/media/audio/ringtones?
[02:28] <ChinnoDog> oops
[02:28] <ChinnoDog> /system/media/audio/ringtones
[02:29] <maciej_> system media audio ringtones
[02:31] <ChinnoDog> The files in there are mode 644
[02:32] <ChinnoDog> root is owner and has write access. Are you saying android complains if group or other access has +w?
[02:33] <ChinnoDog> There are ringtones in here I didn't even know existed. They must have come down with an OTA update.
[02:34] <maciej_> i couldn't copy the folder, the folder has permissions rwxrwxr-x
[02:35] <maciej_> i may just need to find an app that lets me change the folder permissions on android
[02:35] <maciej_> i dont understand why i can't make a folder read only on ubuntu
[02:35] <ChinnoDog> oh. I am browsing the file system from connectbot on the phone...
[02:36] <maciej_> are you able to long press on a folder and have an option to change permissions?
[02:36] <ChinnoDog> I'm browsing from a terminal
[02:36] <ChinnoDog> Astro might let you do it. I don't currently have it installed
[02:36] <maciej_> why is it so hard to make a folder read only on here, i may try on windwos, i know its a simple check box to make a folder read only
[02:37] <ChinnoDog> I still don't understand why you want the folder to be read only..
[02:37] <ChinnoDog> You want more permissions, not less
[02:37] <ChinnoDog> unix permisisons and windows permissions work differently. The result is the same as what I told you.
[02:38] <maciej_> when i move the folder with the ogg files to system/media/audio/notifications- a warning says cannot paste here because the file system is read only
[02:39] <maciej_> maybe i need to change permissions of the folder i'm trying to copy to
[02:39] <ChinnoDog> Did you root the phone?
[02:39] <maciej_> yeah
[02:39] <ChinnoDog> So you can just log into it with a terminal and change the permissions on the folder there.
[02:41] <maciej_> terminal on android?
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> Yes, like ConnectBot
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> I use Irssi ConnectBot which was forked to make using irssi easier in the terminal
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> But, why are you so resistant to putting you ringtone on your SD card?
[02:41] <ChinnoDog> s/you/your
[02:43] <maciej_> i guess i dont have to put the new notifications with the system notifications, android will just scan the disk youre saying?
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> According to this it will: http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/5930-definitive-androids-folder-structure.html
[02:44] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: Are you awake?
[02:44] <PennBot> Dunno, ChinnoDog.
[02:44] <ChinnoDog> andrew: Is PennBot's web browser broken?
[02:44] <maciej_> thats easy enough
[02:45] <ChinnoDog> So you were just making this difficult this whole time?  hehe
[02:45] <maciej_> yes
[02:47] <andrew> PennBot: ping
[02:47] <PennBot> pong
[02:47] <andrew> http://www.google.com
[02:47] <PennBot> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
[02:47] <andrew> http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/5930-definitive-androids-folder-structure.html
[02:47] <andrew> hmm
[02:48] <ChinnoDog> Guess we were no longer useful to her.
[02:48] <andrew> dunno
[02:49] <ChinnoDog> http://www.google.com
[02:49] <PennBot> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
[02:49] <ChinnoDog> Must be the url?
[02:49] <ChinnoDog> http://www.google.com/index.html
[02:49] <PennBot> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
[02:51] <ChinnoDog> http://androidforums.com
[02:51] <ChinnoDog> http://www.androidforums.com
[02:51] <ChinnoDog> andrew: PennBot doesn't like this web site I guess?
[02:51] <andrew> or the website returns something different for his user-agent?
[02:52] <ChinnoDog> What user-agent is he sending?
[02:52] <andrew> dunno off hand
[02:52] <andrew> give him a url that you can pull the logs from
[02:52] <ChinnoDog> http://www.chinnodog.com
[02:52] <PennBot> Title: ChinnoDogs blog - Just me and my inflatable life. (at www.chinnodog.com)
[02:53] <ChinnoDog> 207.192.72.66 - - [30/Jan/2011:21:53:44 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 15952 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Compatible; Supybot 0.83.4.1)"
[02:54] <andrew> try switching your user agent to that and visiting the android site
[02:54] <ChinnoDog> idk how to do that in chrome
[02:54] <ChinnoDog> I guess I could override it in ff
[02:54] <andrew> neither do i off hand
[02:54] <ChinnoDog> oh. I don't have that plugin installed
[02:56] <MutantTurkey>  chrome hmmm?
[02:57] <MutantTurkey> does ubuntu provide chrome or chromium?
[02:58] <andrew> ium
[02:58] <ChinnoDog> I use chrome from the google repo i think
[02:58] <andrew> but chrome is easy enough to install
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> ah. I got the Modify Headers extension working in chrome
[03:04] <ChinnoDog> I mean ff, not chrome
[03:05] <ChinnoDog> andrew: androidforums.com looks the same with this header...
[03:07] <ChinnoDog> Must be a genuine bug
[03:07] <andrew> dunno
[03:08] <andrew> report it then
[03:16] <ChinnoDog> andrew: What category is this?  plugin or core module?
[03:16] <ChinnoDog> or 3rd party?
[03:25] <andrew> plugin
[03:35] <ChinnoDog> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3168483&group_id=58965&atid=489447
[03:35] <PennBot> Title: SourceForge.net: Supybot: Detail: 3168483 - Can't retrieve info for androidforums.com (at sourceforge.net)
[06:05] <Traveler> what does this line in a script do?    ac_res=-l$ac_lib
[06:09] <Traveler> everyone sawin' zzzz's already ?
[06:35] <Traveler> restarting
[12:45] <Traveler> so quiet around here
[12:45] <Traveler> GOOD MORNING !!!!
[12:48] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[13:01] <JonathanD> morning
[13:01] <JonathanD> I hope you brought enough for the whole class.
[14:01] <Traveler> Well, I FINALLY made the install work.   I am now UNdeleting "permanently" deleted files from an ext4 file system.
[14:12] <Traveler> now boot back to normal system
[16:58] <ChinnoDog> sup, turkey?
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> WokFi++
[19:20] <ChinnoDog> Why didn't I think of that?
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> "Additional sleet accumulation up to 1 inch"
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> That is a lot of ice
[20:08] <pleia2> sheesh, you guys are having another busy winter
[20:08] <JonathanD> weather people told us this would be a "mild winter"
[20:08] <pleia2> not truth
[20:09] <JonathanD> maybe they meant in australia.
[20:09] <JonathanD> wait, hasn't been mild there either.
[20:09] <ChinnoDog> Phil's not going to be able to come out of his hole this year
[20:09] <waltman> Nor has it been winter.
[20:10] <ChinnoDog> s/Phil's not/Phil isn't/ (idk how I did that...)
[20:10] <waltman> either way works
[20:11] <ChinnoDog> "Phil's" doesn't work last I checked. It denotes posession, not a contraction.
[20:12] <pleia2> it's a contraction for "Phil is"
[20:12] <pleia2> it's fine
[20:13] <waltman> what pleia2 said
[20:13] <waltman> pleia2: we don't even want to know what the weather's like in SF today, do we?
[20:13] <ChinnoDog> Since when can you use an apostrophe after the noun as a contraction?
[20:13] <pleia2> waltman: nope
[20:14] <pleia2> the general rule I use is "thing's" ok if it can be expanded to "thing is"
[20:14] <pleia2> or if it's actually posesseive
[20:14] <waltman> ChinnoDog: It's a common contraction.
[20:14] <pleia2> "she's going to the store"
[20:14] <waltman> It's a common contraction."
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> http://blog.writersdigest.com/qq/Contractions+With+Proper+Nouns+Brians+A+Baseball+Fan.aspx
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> I guess your right, there is no rule against it
[20:18] <PennBot> Title: Writer's Digest Questions and Quandaries - Contractions With Proper Nouns (Brian's a baseball Fan) (at blog.writersdigest.com)
[20:18] <ChinnoDog> I never use it with a proper noun though.
[20:19] <ChinnoDog> I do use it with personal pronouns though
[20:20] <ChinnoDog> That is interesting... a convention I was unaware I was following.
[20:23] <waltman> ChinnoDog: Hint -- when questioning proper apostrophe usage, perhaps it's a good idea to not confuse your and you're :)
[20:24] <ChinnoDog> :-p Yes, you're right. I do that all the time.
[20:24] <pleia2> english is hard
[20:25] <jedijf> your/you're is my fail...until i hit enter then i realize it...need a takeback button
[20:26] <waltman> That's why I try to stick with "ur" :)
[20:26] <ChinnoDog> PennBot needs a grammer check so he can be sure we are all speaking the King's English.
[20:26] <PennBot> Got it, ChinnoDog.
[20:27] <waltman> It's really odd how that works.  I do that all the time, too.  I guess they're mapped together in my brain somehow.
[20:28] <jedijf> i blame it on rushing or multitasking
[20:28] <jedijf> which i know humans can't do.....
[20:28] <jedijf> but i try and fail constantly.....
[20:29] <ChinnoDog> The first time I saw "we've cheeseburger" I didn't like that either, but I had to accept that usage too.
[20:30] <waltman> ChinnoDog: That's more of a British usage. It's not common in USAnian English.
[20:30] <ChinnoDog> The person that wrote it was British. :-)
[20:31] <ChinnoDog> Or at least, that is where he learned English. He had an accent.
[20:45] <andrew> pleia2: Do you have a problem with our weekly midweek winter storms?
[20:46] <pleia2> andrew: problem? no
[20:46] <pleia2> a little sad that PA didn't decide to let loose with the awesome winters until I left though
[20:48] <andrew> Come back! It's not too late
[20:52] <JonathanD> Does anyone happen to have a thinkpad x200? :)
[23:00] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!