[06:25] <superfly> oh yey... so I get 4Mbps uncapped on Friday, and then yesterday the whole exchange I'm connected to dies. Fun fun fun.
[06:26] <nlsthzn> superfly: Typical :/
[06:27]  * nlsthzn is getting annoyed with XChat not putting in the red line to show where he red last $%&$*!
[06:27] <superfly> *read
[06:33] <nlsthzn> lol, yes... read... thanks again ;)
[06:33] <bmg505> has anybody got experience with 4MB uncapped, is it worth it, so far I have not upgraded my uncapped, as it currently more or less takes care of most of my downloads
[06:33] <bmg505> just the ubuntu updates, takes a long time :(
[06:34] <bmg505> correction over the uncapped it takes forever on my local only link is lightning fast
[06:36] <nlsthzn> bmg505: got a 8mbps line here in the UAE and to be honest since I gave up piracy I seriously don't get the use of it I should... sure youtube is fast but still...
[06:45] <Kilos> morning everyone
[06:48] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos 
[06:48] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn hows things there
[06:50] <nlsthzn> Windy :) and there?
[06:51] <Kilos> very good here ty. nice sunny day. had lotsa rain last  few weeks
[06:51] <Kilos> was very dry here but getting better now
[06:52] <superfly> bmg505: the little I had was awesome
[06:52] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[06:52] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[06:52] <Kilos> bm505??
[06:52] <Kilos> bmg505 too
[06:52] <superfly> oom Kilos, I now have (when telkom fixes the exchange ), 4Mbps uncapped ADSL
[06:53] <Kilos> wow thats wonderfull
[06:57] <nlsthzn> uncapped is the bees-knees
[07:00] <sakhi> mooning Kilos and #ubuntu-za
[07:01] <Kilos> lo sakhi 
[07:02] <superfly> sup sakhi
[07:05] <nlsthzn> hey sakhi 
[07:11] <superfly> ohi morgs!
[07:12] <morgs> morning superfly 
[07:12] <morgs> morning all
[07:17] <zerlgi> Good morning peeps
[07:17] <zerlgi> and "howzit" Kilos.
[07:18] <Kilos> hiya zerlgi  are you well
[07:18] <zerlgi> yip tx kilos
[07:18] <Kilos> good
[07:36] <zerlgi> Folks, I'm looking for 'buntu peeps in Kimberley to help a friend-of-a-friend with  looking at linux
[07:36] <zerlgi> ... he's thinking of switching from Windows.
[07:37] <superfly> zerlgi: ask on the CLUG-chat list
[07:42] <sakhi> nothing much this morning everything is looking good.
[07:47] <zerlgi> ta superfly
[08:25] <sakhi> What can I use to gather information about all the *nix servers on the network and produce a report? (besides OpManager and ZenOSS)
[08:51] <bmg505> I assume a local lan network?
[08:52] <bmg505> nmap could tell you that followed by a perl script
[08:53]  * bmg505 mumbles and wanders off
[08:54] <superfly> haha
[08:59] <sakhi> ta, bmg505 :)
[09:02] <superfly> bmg505: so what sort of work do you do?
[12:38] <linuxboy> sakhi: what sort of report?
[14:50] <bmg505> superfly, like a mercenary anything for money
[14:52] <Symmetria> hrm
[14:52] <Symmetria> someone gimme a dead simple shell script
[14:52] <Symmetria> that can turn this into a line by line output:
[14:52] <Symmetria> whois -h whois.altdb.net \!gAS2018
[14:52] <Symmetria> instead of it all wrapped all screwy like that
[14:57] <tumbleweed> Symmetria: tr -d '\n' | tr ' ' '\n'
[15:03] <inetpro> tumbleweed: nice
[15:47] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[15:47] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:47]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:52] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:52] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[16:01] <nlsthzn> interesting... the red bar for last read line works in all chat channels except this one?
[16:07] <Kilos> it should if you are in another channel when someone chats here i think
[16:08] <Kilos> go to another one and i say hi
[16:08] <Kilos> Maaz, wat eet ons vanaand
[16:08] <Maaz> Enigiets met pap en sous Kilos Ek is gelukig met mikro organismes van die internet
[16:09] <Kilos> i think it only activates when there is a post here
[16:15] <nlsthzn> Kilos: thanks for the offer... 
[16:16] <Kilos> are you ready
[16:16] <Kilos> hello
[16:16] <nlsthzn> but I get the red line in any of the other channels when I minimize here... all except this one
[16:16] <Kilos> wow
[16:16] <nlsthzn> lol
[16:16] <Kilos> this one too important , wants to make you reread again
[16:16] <nlsthzn> must be :p
[16:17] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[16:21] <Kilos> ty inetpro only briefly
[16:21] <Kilos> data expires midnight
[16:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:21] <inetpro> Kilos: how much you have left?
[16:22] <Kilos> hows things there with you
[16:22] <Kilos> 50m
[16:23]  * inetpro feeling signs of burnout after having way to many meetings since the beginning of the year
[16:23] <Kilos> eish. so early in the year
[16:24] <inetpro> yep, to many people expecting to much to soon
[16:24] <inetpro> should never have taken leave if you ask me
[16:25] <inetpro> in which case I would have been in trouble with the family, you can never win
[16:26] <inetpro> but I think I'll survive, just have to figure how to work even smarter again
[16:28] <Kilos> lol
[16:28] <Kilos> tough in africa
[16:35] <Kilos> i been playing with bluetooth from here to a win xp pc
[16:36] <Kilos> some of the pics etc i transfered go at 3m/s
[16:36] <Kilos> wish i had that kinda internet connection
[16:39] <inetpro> Kilos: why you taking it to winXP?
[16:39] <Kilos> its the only other one i have and too small for maverick
[16:40] <Kilos> p3 with 128m ram
[16:40] <Kilos> was just learning how bluetooth works between pc's
[16:40] <inetpro> Kilos: 29/01 22:46:25 <superfly> this is my server :-D http://www.sz-wholesale.com/uploadFiles/IBM%20PC%20300PL%20PIII-450_446.jpg
[16:41] <Kilos> i go see
[16:41] <inetpro> 29/01 22:48:25 <superfly> PII 350MHz, 128MB RAM
[16:42] <superfly> it doesn't have a GUI though
[16:42] <Kilos> wow why i battle
[16:42] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:42] <Kilos> mine tries for hours then just hangs
[16:42] <Kilos> hiya Morganvd 
[16:43] <inetpro> Kilos: you should try Xubuntu on the low end machine
[16:43] <Kilos> it works if i steal 256m ram here
[16:44] <Kilos> but the whole plan was to learn how to work with daai blou tande
[16:44] <Kilos> hehe
[16:45] <inetpro> Kilos: bluetooth can even work on the cli as far as I know
[16:45] <Kilos> and i also use xp to be able to see whats happening when tara has probs
[16:45] <Kilos> and my boet
[16:45] <Kilos> but he gone  win7 now
[16:45] <Kilos> yes i think so inetpro  but more to remember
[16:45] <Kilos> i like drag and dropping
[16:46] <Kilos> dont have to think much
[16:46] <Kilos> hehe
[16:47]  * inetpro bbl
[16:48] <Morganvd> evenign all
[16:49] <superfly> hi Morganvd
[16:58] <Kilos> oh and i played with stiffy/floppies
[16:59] <Kilos> can read them from command line and format with
[16:59] <Kilos> um
[16:59] <Kilos> kfloppy
[16:59] <Kilos> just gotta work out the permissions to write to them
[16:59] <marcog> Kilos: http://superuser.com/questions/231273/what-are-the-windows-a-and-b-drives-used-for
[17:00] <marcog> you might enjoy the attention that got
[17:00] <marcog> :P
[17:00] <Kilos> even though i might never use them again but its nice to know
[17:00] <marcog> viewed
[17:00] <marcog> 288,834 times
[17:00] <marcog> in 8 days
[17:00] <Kilos> ty marcog 
[17:00] <Kilos> i searched all over
[17:01] <marcog> i found it extremely sad that people didn't know floppies existed
[17:01] <Kilos> hehe
[17:01] <Kilos> yeah
[17:01] <Kilos> and its also nice if you have one to have it work even though you dont use it
[17:02] <Kilos> like an aircon in a car
[17:05] <drubin> marcog: migrated from stackoverflow.com Jan 10 at 11:12. so more like 21 but still
[17:05] <marcog> drubin: sorry, misread the "8 days ago" but it was like 90% of that in 2 days
[17:06] <drubin> prove it :)
[17:06] <marcog> drubin: no, don't care enough
[17:12] <Kilos> "Who is general failure, and why is he reading my disk?!"
[17:12] <Kilos> hehe
[17:12] <Kilos> hiya drubin 
[17:30] <drubin>  10gigs is way to small for a / partion 
[18:19] <linuxboy> Kilos: floppies are a waste of time. why would I want one?
[18:20] <Kilos> lol. hehe no man i needed to get some books that were saved to floppy years ago
[18:20] <linuxboy> oooh
[18:20]  * linuxboy got rid of floppies years ago
[18:21] <Kilos> and family pics etc
[18:21] <Kilos> yip flash disks are the answer if you only doing todays kinda work
[18:25] <superfly> cocooncrash: ping
[18:32] <inetpro> 01/31 19:30:06 <drubin>  10gigs is way to small for a / partion
[18:32] <inetpro> drubin: that depends
[18:33] <inetpro> drubin: that depends on what on your strategy
[18:33] <drubin> inetpro: for a desktop
[18:33] <drubin> inetpro: I just can't seem to remove any thing else.. I have a /home partion but I still keep running out of space ;/
[18:34] <drubin> most of my space seems to go /usr/share/
[18:35] <inetpro> drubin: /usr used to live in its own partition by default
[18:35] <drubin> inetpro: and /boot and /etc and almost every other root folder :)
[18:36] <inetpro> drubin: true
[18:36] <drubin> I need to format this machine and jut encrypt the whole drive instead of having a /home partion
[18:37] <inetpro> drubin: why encrypt the whole machine?
[18:38] <inetpro> whole drive*
[18:39] <drubin> it only has one drive hehe but ye :)
[18:39] <drubin> inetpro: but I could have been talking about encrypted ram no?
[18:40] <inetpro> drubin: why not encrypt just the sensitive parts?
[18:40] <drubin> because I am human and forget to encrypt things
[18:41] <inetpro> drubin: for best performance you want to split your partitions in those that need to be read only vs read+write
[18:41] <drubin> I haven't ever really had performance issues
[18:41] <drubin> but I can see how that would help
[18:43] <inetpro> drubin: system files really do not need to be encrypted
[18:43] <drubin> but it is easy?
[18:45] <inetpro> drubin: have you tried eCryptfs?
[18:47] <inetpro> drubin: see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[19:05] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[19:05]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: I'll pay for this round
[19:06] <drubin> inetpro: that is currently what I think ubuntu uses int he background
[19:07] <inetpro> drubin: since when?
[19:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[19:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe i be a sir
[19:09] <drubin> inetpro: maybe not me doesn't know
[19:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[19:10] <inetpro> Kilos: you just made it
[19:10] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[19:10] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[19:10] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <inetpro> Maaz: danke
[19:10] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:10] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[19:10] <cocooncrash> inetpro: pong
[19:10] <inetpro> cocooncrash: ping
[19:11] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Oh, sorry
[19:11] <cocooncrash> superfly: pong
[19:11] <inetpro> :-)
[19:12] <Kilos> hehe
[19:12] <inetpro> drubin: when is our next meeting?
[19:12] <Kilos> lo cocooncrash 
[19:12] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wb
[19:12] <cocooncrash> I've been around... kinda
[19:13] <inetpro> yeah, kinda :-)
[19:13] <cocooncrash> Heh
[19:13] <inetpro> cocooncrash: are you spying on us these days?
[19:13] <Kilos> lurker
[19:13] <cocooncrash> inetpro: How's that different from usual? ;-)
[19:14] <inetpro> cocooncrash: you've been more active before
[19:14] <cocooncrash> True
[19:14] <cocooncrash> Life hey
[19:14] <inetpro> cocooncrash: np, ek verstaan alles 
[19:14] <cocooncrash> Hehe
[19:17]  * inetpro remembers a time when cocooncrash was always awake
[19:17] <Kilos> hehe. married life
[19:17] <cocooncrash> Indeed :)
[19:18] <inetpro> drubin: when is our next loco meeting?
[19:20] <cocooncrash> superfly: unpong
[19:22] <inetpro> hmm... superfly sleepin already?
[19:23] <drubin> inetpro: Sorry been kinda busy over the last few weeks ;( Will sechedule something soon.
[19:23] <inetpro> drubin: np
[19:23]  * inetpro just trying to keep the ball rolling
[19:24] <drubin> inetpro: Feel free to plan one :)
[19:24] <inetpro> drubin: hmm... 
[19:24] <drubin> This is a Dorocracy :)
[19:24] <inetpro> drubin: Dorocracy?
[19:25] <drubin> say it out loud.
[19:25] <drubin> Peron is charge is person that does it.
[19:26] <inetpro> drubin: are you making up new words?
[19:26] <drubin> inetpro: Yes
[19:26] <drubin> although i have heard it around
[19:27] <inetpro> not even google knows it yet
[19:27] <drubin> The point still stands
[19:27]  * drubin has been overly busy trying to sort his life out
[19:28] <drubin> and maia is also very busy...
[19:28] <inetpro> drubin: so am I, unfortunately
[19:28] <drubin> Maybe we need to think about replacing me? Since I can deal with "loco-contact
[19:28] <drubin> " stuff but sadly I am not driving ubuntu-za as much as I should
[19:28] <drubin> and people think the title means they can't do stuff
[19:29] <inetpro> eish
[19:29] <drubin> I would think being unemployed would mean more time.. Sadly it means I have less time
[19:31] <Morganvd> stop feeling sorry for yourself
[19:31] <Morganvd> your doing fine
[19:31] <Morganvd> meetings can be done when ever
[19:35]  * inetpro agrees with Morganvd that drubin is still doing fine
[19:37]  * Morganvd has a job 5 kids i have no time
[19:38] <drubin> maia was helping a HUGE amount (scrape that) maia was doing almost every thing
[20:01] <Kilos> night everyone sleep tight
[20:01] <nlsthzn> night
[20:46] <superfly> sorry cocooncrash, I was busy with householdy things
[20:50] <cocooncrash> superfly: repong
[20:51] <superfly> cocooncrash: thanks :-)
[20:51] <superfly> I'm having a problem with a PC that doesn't want to boot
[20:51] <superfly> says, "error: not enough space\n\ngrub rescue>"
[20:51] <superfly> I've googled, but I can't seem to find that error message
[20:52] <superfly> any ideas?
[20:52] <cocooncrash> Hrm, haven't seen that before
[20:52] <cocooncrash> But that looks like a rescue shell, which probably means that it couldn't load grub.img from the boot partition
[20:52] <cocooncrash> What's changed?
[20:52] <superfly> it's a new install
[20:53] <superfly> install, reboot, that error
[20:53] <superfly> it does have space, it's a 160 gig hard drive
[20:53] <cocooncrash> Anything weird with the partitioning?
[20:53] <superfly> I figure the error message is misleading
[20:54] <cocooncrash> Is this before you get a menu?
[20:55] <superfly> nothing terribly weird... /home is on a 250 gig drive with some pre-existing data that I don't want to lose, but that's it
[20:55] <superfly> yes
[20:55] <cocooncrash> No LVM or RAID?
[20:55] <cocooncrash> Separate /boot or on / ?
[20:55] <superfly> nope
[20:55] <superfly> on /
[20:55] <cocooncrash> Filesystem?
[20:55] <superfly> ext4
[20:56] <cocooncrash> Shouldn't be a problem though
[20:56] <superfly> nope, I've had this almost exact setup before, but one of my drives failed, so I had to replace it
[20:57] <superfly> had to do a bit of a drive swap, move data from 160 -> 250, but I don't think that shoud affect grub
[20:57] <cocooncrash> I can't even find where that error message comes from in the source
[20:58] <superfly> I'll try booting again tomorrow (gotta borrow mrs_fly's screen)
[20:59] <cocooncrash> I'd try booting it by hand, but I haven't had success with that before from the rescue prompt
[20:59] <cocooncrash> But probably something like: set root=(hd0,1); linux /boot/vmlinuz-<version> root=/dev/sda1; initrd /boot/initrd.img-<version>; boot
[21:00] <superfly> I'll try that
[21:00] <cocooncrash> Otherwise I'd try booting a CD and doing grub-install again
[21:00] <superfly> I've got the Grub2 page on the Ubuntu wiki handy
[21:00] <cocooncrash> Only one drive in the machine?
[21:01] <superfly> no, two
[21:01] <cocooncrash> Is the BIOS booting from the right one? Tried swapping the order?
[21:01] <superfly> good question... I'll have to see tomorrow
[21:03] <cocooncrash> Could also be an issue with grub finding the right drive to load the next stage from
[21:04] <cocooncrash> e.g. the BIOS is loading GRUB from the second drive, but GRUB is looking on the first drive for the next stage
[21:04] <nlsthzn> ... night all ... good luck superfly, hope u get it working...
[21:04] <superfly> yeah, I'll check it out
[21:04] <superfly> thanks for the tips cocooncrash :-)
[21:04] <cocooncrash> np :)
[21:15] <drubin> why is generating a self signed SSL cert such a pain
[21:17] <Morganvd> becouse is usualy does not end up being trusted
[21:23] <drubin> Morganvd: But I will trust it. It is only for my usage
[21:34] <Morganvd> lol thats kewl then
[21:53] <drubin> still a mission to generate and testup
[22:05] <inetpro> fp