[00:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/702706 [00:23] Ubuntu bug 702706 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] QtGstreamer should be packaged" [Wishlist,Fix released] [00:23] but apt-cache search gstreamer | grep -i qt returns 0 :p [00:23] (well a telepathy stuff which is not QtGst) [00:33] It's in new queue at the moment: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue [00:34] oh :p [00:38] QtGstreamer is infinitely nicer to use than raw GStreamer [00:53] Whoot my VB works again. [00:53] rather VM [02:31] wtf, I have a video paused in dragon player and I keep getting these vlc popups [02:32] of random pictures [02:32] like a grilled cheese sandwhich and a bottle of milk [02:36] lol [02:43] ok, they're pictures on my hdd [03:26] JontheEchidna: ping [03:27] afiestas__: pong [03:28] JontheEchidna: with all this "noise" about "App Stores" I'm wondering what is the current status of muon/packagekit/KPackageKit etc [03:28] does muon work (or could work) with packagekit? [03:28] do you have any plans to join forces with KPackageKit ? [03:28] nope [03:31] I personally believe that PackageKit is flawed and that a least common denominator solution can't compare to a fully-integrated solution [03:32] hrmm the installer is stopping for me under the daily [03:34] JontheEchidna: oks [03:34] the gross inadequancy of PK back a year ago was what drove me to start the whole Muon thing. I didn't expect PK to at least become somewhat adequate, but I still believe that the tight apt integration Muon has can deliver a better experience [03:40] hrmm ok don't know if anyone is around but after putting in my username and password ubiquity stops and sends me back to the desktop on today's daily [03:49] jjesse: I found a god daily [03:50] god/good [03:50] hrmm i haven't :( [03:50] but now it is time for bed [03:50] jjesse: I'll upload it and email it to you [03:50] ok [03:51] jjesse: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110131.2/ [03:51] the i386 ISO is good for install === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === markey_ is now known as markey [07:54] JontheEchidna: you are incredibly hot [07:54] or maybe 114 degrees f are not that hot, though then the red-ness indicator on the plasmoid is wrongish [07:55] UDS in Corinthia Grand Hotel Royal, Budapest, 9-13 May 2011 [08:23] JontheEchidna: you are not around by any chance? [08:23] ulysses: uhhh [08:23] ehhh [08:23] ahhhh [08:23] Nightrose: there, I cannot attend linuxtag either [08:23] -.- [08:23] whut? [08:23] scary [08:23] ulysses: that is the same week linuxtag in berlin is :D [08:23] oh [08:23] * apachelogger withdraws his 3 papers [08:36] Hrm, How do I install/use the git/svn plugins in 4.6? [08:42] jussi: you install kdesdk-dolphin-plugins and actiavte them in the dolphinzzz [08:43] kdesdk-dolphin-plugins is already the newest version [08:44] oh...found it! :D [08:46] ulysses: do you happen to know where one can apply for sponsorship yet? [08:46] * apachelogger has ever so great plans [08:46] apachelogger: no, I just know this page: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o [08:48] ok [08:48] that is the stranges t thing evar [08:49] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot144.png [08:49] that is the funniest thing evar [08:50] four people of the attendees are hungarian now:> [08:50] that is not the funny bit :P [08:51] * apachelogger recons there are hungarians in hungary [08:51] * apachelogger joins the fun [09:45] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/sponsorship/ [09:45] page is definitely up [09:45] whether or not they want us to use it [09:48] when it is up you gotta use it ^^ === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:51] would be funny if the first 10 applicants were all KOO buntu [09:52] can't decide if I should apply or not [09:52] would be soooo fun though [09:52] do it [09:55] hm, I should change the name in the form, but I can't [09:56] I wonder if valorie ever sleeps :O [10:00] in maybe a half hour I will [10:00] heh [10:00] but night is when I can get some work done [10:00] no interruptions [10:00] I agree with that [10:00] same here [10:02] otoh, I have my music on random, and just got Britney: Baby One More Time [10:02] lol [10:02] one of the most common earworms evar [10:05] what does „Would you be willing to participate as member of the crew?” mean? [10:07] ulysses: one day during uds, you run around replacing the signs for the various sessions [10:08] it's fun, and you get a shirt [10:08] oh, then I answer yes [10:08] you do it with a partner [10:08] you do have to leave sessions a few minutes early, which can suck a bit [10:08] but you and your partner work it out [10:09] I partnered with Vish [10:09] I could be the first at the bar for a beer then:P [10:09] well, this is during the day [10:09] hopefully that's *after* [10:09] lol [10:16] ok, nothing ventured, nothing gained -- applied [10:17] what have to I write as further information? Shall I write that I'm a student, so I can't go without support, or something better? [10:18] wait, sponsorship is open? [10:18] did someone actually announce UDS? [10:18] http://summit.ubuntu.com/ [10:18] generally jorge or jono blogs about it first [10:19] ulysses: last time I just applied more on a dare than anything else [10:19] and was accepted late [10:19] hehe [10:19] I don't want to remember last time :/ [10:19] are you coming this time, nigelb? [10:19] WE MISSED YOU [10:19] valorie: I don't know. Far too many variables this time around. [10:20] lots of variables for me too, but I figured -- why not ask [10:20] I can always say no [10:41] true to my word, off to bed.... [10:46] yofel: hi, I am here. I was going through ur page, so there are three ways in which i can contribute into kubuntu dev? [10:52] * apachelogger would think there are more [10:53] c2tarun: welcome, those aren't the only ways, and packaging and being a ninja go hand in hand [10:53] yofel: thanks :) what are the other ways? [10:53] apachelogger: meet c2tarun, found him in #kubuntu desperately wanting to become a ninja ;) [10:53] hi apachelogger :) [10:54] http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ninja.jpg-tm.jpg [10:54] I can see why [10:54] c2tarun: ahoy ahoy [10:54] hehe [10:54] what happend? :/ [10:55] not exactly coz of that pic :) but ya somehow it sounds cool :P [10:55] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tNRAa-BYU7M/Ru7zpQTKSYI/AAAAAAAAADw/nz9gMP7T3zU/s1600/ninja_tux.jpg [10:55] that one is more like [10:56] hmm.... :/ [10:56] Quintasan: c2tarun shall be your first padawan [10:58] sure :) just tell me what is a padawan? [10:58] apart from aprentice [10:58] just that [10:58] ok :) [10:58] the stage before becoming minion, which is the stage before becoming developer of somesort [10:59] one becomes a ninja somewhere between minion and developer [11:00] how can i start? [11:01] c2tarun: that is for Quintasan to decide, but I suppose you could just read a bit through the packaging guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete until he arrives [11:03] apachelogger: I already read this page. few months back, on this page all is written use of some tools for packaging, I don't actually understood any concept of packaging :( (I am not blaming anyone, I am just saying) [11:04] c2tarun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_(file_format) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpkg [11:05] apachelogger: ok, this page is good :) i'll read it. by the way is there really anything known as padawan in kubuntu-devel? [11:06] no, george lucas would probably sue us ^^ [11:06] officially there is contributor and developer [11:07] what do contributors do? [11:07] c2tarun: there's also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ which you should know and keep as a reference (yo don't need to understand everything at once) - and also http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ as another introduction guide [11:07] c2tarun: regular patch contribution etc. etc. [11:07] contributors do generally not have upload rights but developers do [11:08] which is really the only difference [11:08] apachelogger: one more thing, while reading i got this term a lot Patching, Can u please explain me a bit? [11:09] c2tarun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_(computing) [11:09] also the appropriate linux app: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patch_(Unix) [11:09] c2tarun: basically a patch is just a text file representing the difference between one file and another [11:09] (or a bunch of files for that matter) === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [11:10] like a .diff file? [11:10] yes [11:11] patch is just the more general term [11:11] as a patch can also be a binary executable that manipulates another binary executable [11:11] http://paste.ubuntu.com/560894/ [11:11] say that is a diff and a patch [11:11] it is a diff because,. well, because it is one ;) [11:11] and a patch because it fixes something [11:12] ok. [11:12] though generally those two words are used as synonyms [11:12] so after reading the documentations, where can i start? [11:12] c2tarun: find something that annoys you and do something about it ;) [11:13] c2tarun: or look for cool new software that might need packaging [11:13] kde-apps.org or qt-apps.org are generally good places to look for that sort of thing [11:13] apachelogger: ya where can i look for those softwares that might need packaging? [11:15] apachelogger: sorry to ask this, but where in kde-apps.org? [11:17] everywhere [11:17] mian page mainly [11:17] c2tarun: bangarang has a new version out [11:17] I do not think we have that yet [11:18] !info bangarang natty [11:18] bangarang (source: bangarang): Multimedia player with a lightweight interface for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 319 kB, installed size 1508 kB [11:18] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Bangarang?content=113305 [11:18] there, 2.0 is new and we have 1.0.1 [11:18] you could update that bugger [11:19] sorry, but what do u mean by we have? [11:21] apachelogger: ^^ [11:21] c2tarun: the ubuntu archive [11:21] contains version 1.0.1 of bangarang [11:22] apachelogger: I think u told that only developers can access the archive. And exactly how to do that? [11:22] apachelogger: I just checked we don't have 2.0 there [11:28] c2tarun: you update the package, create a debdiff, then either report a bug report and subscribe sponsors or find someone in here to sponsor the upload [11:28] !sponsoring [11:28] Sorry, I don't know anything about sponsoring [11:28] hm [11:28] !sponsor [11:28] Sorry, I don't know anything about sponsor [11:28] ubottu: you are useless my friend [11:28] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:29] !sponsorship [11:29] Sorry, I don't know anything about sponsorship [11:29] ah [11:29] !! [11:29] ubottu: silly beast [11:29] Sorry, I don't know anything about silly beast [11:29] yes you are [11:30] hm [11:30] apachelogger: hehehe... anyway leave the bot :) [11:30] ok, current sponsorship information is absolutely worthless to beginners [11:30] awesome [11:30] c2tarun: just poke Quintasan_ once you have a debdiff [11:30] he will guide you [11:31] I'll read the packaging again :) and i'll try to create a debdiff for 2.0 [11:31] sure i'll come back with debdiff. [11:35] cool [11:48] apachelogger: leave my poor little girl bot alone! [11:49] !search sponsor [11:49] Found: [11:49] apachelogger: what shoudl that factoid say? [11:59] jussi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [12:00] but since that page is utterly useless... [12:01] apachelogger: write me 1 line that you want it to say... [12:01] jussi: If you know what distributed development is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [12:02] apachelogger: how about: If you have made a package and would like to get it uploaded to the official Ubuntu repository, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [12:03] jussi: that is not what the page is bout [12:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue [12:04] that might actually be more useful [12:53] Quintasan_: E: libqtglib-2.0-0: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZNK5QGlib5Value3getI7QStringEET_Pb@Base and 7 others [13:20] for packaging which is best, pbuilder, chroot or installing a distro using virtual box? [13:24] c2tarun: pbuilder [13:25] shadeslayer: thanks :) [13:25] c2tarun: i mean pbuilder works out the best for me [13:26] and then there's !best [13:26] shadeslayer: can u please tell me the diff b/w pbuilder and chroot? [13:27] c2tarun: a pbuilder is a clean chroot [13:27] shadeslayer: sorry not getting, any operational difference. [13:27] if you create a chroot .. you might dirty it ( installing build deps etc ) [13:27] whereas the pbuilder is always ( mostly ) clean [13:28] c2tarun: use a pbuilder ... its the best packaging tool [13:28] shadeslayer: but I have a problem, I dont have very fast internet connection so as to download dependencies each and every time. but I have 30GB or partition in which kubuntu is installed. [13:29] of partition* [13:29] c2tarun: the build deps are cached [13:30] shadeslayer: that's good :) [13:30] i'll go for pbuilder then. Thanks [13:31] surely shadeslayer has worse intarwebs connection [13:31] probably :S [13:32] also he has net neutrality even though I still do not know what it is [13:32] ask kubotu .. he knows all [13:32] apachelogger: :D not worse than mine, my download speed is max 50kbps :) [13:32] c2tarun: worse [13:32] see [13:32] :D :D :D [13:32] net neutrality has its price it would appear [13:32] shadeslayer: even slower than mine? [13:32] shadeslayer: did you write a blog post yet? [13:32] yep [13:33] apachelogger: too busy fixoring LP + rekonq for you [13:33] oh, I do not care [13:33] I do not use either of those products anymore [13:33] chromium and bugzilla work very well I must say [13:34] s/you/anyone who cares [13:34] apparently kwebkitpart works ... i commented out stuff that was causing issues, yet it does not work -.- [13:35] * Riddell cares [13:35] see :P [13:36] http://paste.kde.org/3885 << is supposed to work [13:36] yet it doesnt [13:47] shadeslayer: why would that be worky? [13:47] apachelogger: because kdewebkit is now fixored [13:47] has all those operations [13:48] and i think its the CustomOperations stuff that caused issues [13:48] oh, did I mention that this code was most silly :P [13:48] apachelogger: it was there because kdewebkit did not support those operations ( see the comments ) [13:48] yes, still the code is silly [13:48] well now its gone [13:48] anyhow [13:49] shadeslayer: why does it not work? [13:49] apachelogger: no idea [13:49] nigelb: ^^ :P [13:49] how does the notworkingness presents itself? [13:49] you know what to say :P [13:49] apachelogger: go to any bug in lp ... comment on bug ... shows up [object Object] instead of comment [13:50] same thing with konqueror works [13:50] because konqueror is supreme [13:50] konqueror + kwebkitpart that is [13:50] shadeslayer: surely you are just using a wrong kdeinit lib again :P [13:50] nope [13:50] then the issue is not fixed? [13:51] apachelogger: in kdewebkit? [13:52] its fixed in kdewebkit since it works with konqueror + webkitpart from git [13:52] verified it myself [13:52] that is flawed reasoning [13:52] maybe the webkit part also works around it [13:53] hmm .. dont think so ... lemme check [13:53] https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kwebkitpart/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/networkaccessmanager.cpp [13:54] doesnt look like it [13:54] maybe rekonq is just broken... [13:54] or maybe kwebkitpart messes with things elsewhere [13:54] #define QL1S(x) QLatin1String(x) [13:54] uh lovely [13:55] hehehe [13:55] * apachelogger feels like doing some java now [13:55] ROFL : https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/kwebkitpart/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/networkaccessmanager.cpp [13:55] er [13:55] shadeslayer@saphira /media/Data/rekonq/build ±master⚡ » sudo make java [13:55] look what you made me do [13:58] why do you make with sudo [13:58] !!! [13:58] Riddell: sorry I'm a day late, but yes I can do the announcement if you still need it [13:58] you are mad, a mad hatter you are!!! [13:58] because i dont have rekonq installed from packages [13:59] and i use rekonq from git [13:59] also I should be messing with likelihoods and stuff [13:59] shadeslayer: one installs to ones home [13:59] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/3889/ << kio_http logs [13:59] except for phonon that will just refuse to be installed to $home :D :D:D [13:59] claydoh: you're still two days early :) [14:00] Riddell: sweet [14:00] i cleared them logs before i commented [14:01] * claydoh is still eagerly awaiting his ebay purchase: a dualcore dell laptop that isn't quite so ancient, can't wait to install Kubuntu on that one :) [14:02] shadeslayer: from restomp? [14:02] apachelogger: whut? [14:02] apachelogger: ^^ maybe that is something I can blog about :) [14:02] claydoh: what if kubuntu does not work on it? [14:02] claydoh: you could also blog about how cool kde is ;) [14:02] apachelogger: it should [14:02] it is :)( [14:03] Dell + Kubuntu works out pretty well [14:03] shadeslayer: is that log from restomp or from konquerr0r? [14:03] its from rekonq [14:03] via kdebugdialog [14:03] now where is the error there? [14:03] shadeslayer: part of the reason I chose it [14:03] I do not see no error [14:03] i dont see any error too [14:03] I blame it on rekum [14:03] thats the problem -.- [14:03] kio does it all just as it should [14:04] need help in setting pbuilder environment :( [14:04] shadeslayer: maybe it is distrubed by the first sending that sorta went kaput [14:05] kio_http(24502)/kio_http_debug HTTPProtocol::sendQuery: Connection broken! ( "bugs.staging.launchpad.net" ) -- intended to write 958 bytes but wrote -1 . [14:05] !pbuilder [14:05] pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [14:05] c2tarun: ^ [14:05] maybe something wrong here : http://paste.kde.org/3891 [14:06] apachelogger: I was reading the same page, I have a question, like in chroot we have to login by chroot command and then our system locks into chroot env. is there anything like that in pbuilder? [14:06] shadeslayer: gdb will tell [14:06] c2tarun: pbuilder login [14:07] c2tarun: why would you want to login though? [14:07] hmm [14:07] apachelogger: don't know, I thought that like in chroot we have to login, in this also we must. [14:07] c2tarun: nope [14:08] * apachelogger throws some hypotheses at shadeslayer [14:08] use pdebuild! [14:08] take that H_0 and feed it to rekonqw [14:08] muhahaha [14:08] :P [14:08] c2tarun: sudo pbuilder build some_new_packages.dsc [14:09] that will autobuild the source package of that .dsc and spew it somewhere [14:09] though I cant recall where it spews by default [14:09] probably somewhere in /var/cache/pbuilder [14:09] /var/cache/pbuilder/result [14:09] apachelogger: ok thanks :) [14:09] righto [14:09] * shadeslayer reads gdb man page [14:10] shadeslayer: the efficient developer makes it spew into .local/share/Trash/files btw :P [14:10] hahaha :P [14:10] the most efficient developer makes it spew into /tmp [14:11] nah [14:11] bad idea [14:11] whai? [14:11] then your system goes crashy crashy and all is gone [14:11] ah see ... i have my /tmp set to erase after 2 reboots [14:11] also maybe you are building software under NDA, then you should not have it outside your precious home at all :P [14:11] shadeslayer: I have my /tmp to point to /dev/null :P [14:12] lol :P [14:12] apachelogger: 'sudo pbuilder create' will create a chroot. but of which version? [14:13] maverick by default [14:13] --distribution natty will make it natty [14:13] or you create a .pbuilderrc in your home [14:13] and write DIST=natty in there [14:13] oh [14:13] and . /etc/pbuilderrc or something like that [14:14] oh [14:14] or read the wiki page [14:14] actually it is [14:14] DISTRIBUTION=natty [14:14] apachelogger: thanks :) [14:14] apachelogger: you actually have the full thing in there? "DISTRIBUTION" [14:14] i just use DIST= [14:14] shadeslayer: you know, I believe Quintasan_ is a bad master to c2tarun [14:15] oic [14:15] shadeslayer: I have a full blown pbuilderrc from back in the days [14:15] !!! [14:15] like when ScottK still was young and stuff :P [14:15] ahahahaha [14:15] and since it is so old it is filled up with precious pirate booty, most terrific [14:16] the pbuilderrc that is, not ScottK [14:16] apachelogger: hmm ... i cant seem to work out setting a break point in rekonq/src/networkaccessmanager.cpp:createRequest [14:16] PBUILDERSATISFYDEPENDSCMD="/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends-gdebi" [14:16] I am not even sure what it does [14:16] surely something buggy [14:16] otherwise I would remember [14:16] (gdb) break networkaccessmanager:createRequest No source file named networkaccessmanager. Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) [14:16] well [14:16] as it says [14:16] waa, kdebindings doesn't compile on arm if I remove the qreal_double stuff, it just fails further on :( [14:16] there is no such source file :P [14:17] apachelogger: same thing with networkaccessmanager.cpp [14:17] you can also define the break by class btw [14:17] * apachelogger finds that more comfortable [14:17] Riddell: did you see choqok request? [14:17] also it then can autocomplete for you [14:17] (if the appropriate symbols are loaded) [14:18] the symbols are loaded afaik [14:18] then just tip it [14:18] erm [14:18] Reading symbols from /usr/local/bin/rekonq...done. [14:18] tab it [14:18] ^^ [14:18] :D:D:D:D [14:18] ari-tczew: no, where? [14:18] emit giggle(GiggleShaldon); [14:18] Riddell: bug 710981 [14:18]