[00:03] <h00k> Is it just my install, or are things really screwed up today?
[00:04] <h00k> Nautilus is dying, unity is silly, empathy is crashing, policykit, etc.
[00:04] <charlie-tca> mine did that!
[00:04] <h00k> I feel like I missed something...
[00:04] <charlie-tca> and all I was doing is looking at the menu
[00:05] <charlie-tca> I don't know, maybe it is worse for some than for others. It is pretty quiet in here today
[00:07] <Daekdroom> apport is getting on my nerves.
[00:07] <Daekdroom> It's telling me all the time that something went wrong with some app.
[00:07] <yofel> well, what do you have in /var/crash/ ?
[00:12] <charlie-tca> isn't telling you it crashed the idea? (along with getting the information together to make filing the bug easy)
[00:16] <Ian_Corne> 8$
[00:19] <h00k> Yeah, phew, Natty is really ugly for me today.
[00:19] <h00k> I wonder if I should roll back a kernel or something.
[00:20] <BUGabundo> nighty night
[00:22] <charlie-tca> why isn't BUGabundo having a ton of issues today?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> Am I supposed to get more empty launchers each time I start unity?
[03:00] <ous> so quick q: Has anyone been able to get the latest dev release (with the latest updates post kernel upgrade to 2.6.38) to work on virtual box with unity?
[03:02] <Amaranth> ous: I imagine virtualbox doesn't have drivers for 2.6.38
[03:05] <charlie-tca> no, there is a vbox bug for it,
[03:05] <charlie-tca> http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/8143
[03:05] <ous> oh ok so not just me
[03:05] <ous> I imagine its an issue with the vbox additions
[03:06] <charlie-tca> normal "not gonna work with the brand new kernel" thing
[03:07] <ous> so what hardware does it currently work best under
[03:07] <ous> ?
[03:07] <charlie-tca> any, with the -37 kernel
[03:08] <ous> I meant ubuntu natty, what hardware does it work best on right now
[03:08] <charlie-tca> ha
[03:08] <ous> for testing/kicks and giggles
[03:08] <charlie-tca> hahahaha
[03:09] <charlie-tca> maybe I should be quiet again, now...
[03:09] <charlie-tca> It should work with any hardware, but to see unity, you need an ati card or you install it, install the nvidia hardware driver, then reboot to the unity desktop
[03:10] <charlie-tca> and I don't know about intel
[03:10] <bjsnider> most intel crap will be ok
[03:11] <bjsnider> except that subcontracted stuff like poulsbo
[03:11] <ous> lol
[03:12] <charlie-tca> lol
[03:12] <charlie-tca> and that is our best guess, too
[03:13] <charlie-tca> but it's early yet. It will get better :-)
[03:14] <ous> I'm sure it will... been following the development.
[03:14] <ous> I'm hoping they make unity 2d look more like unity and vice versa
[05:22] <h00k> oh, xorg upgrades.
[05:24]  * h00k blindly does them
[05:26] <slyrus> didn't work out so well for me... hopefully things will get better soon.
[05:56] <h00k> Maybe I'll wait a bit to restart :)
[07:43] <Severian> Since alpha-1 of the alternate installer seems to be confirmed as broken, I'd like to try a daily build.  I have not found the daily build for the Alternate installer.  Does one exist and where is it, please?
[07:47] <tsimpson> Severian: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[07:47] <Severian> OK, daily vs. daily-live.   Thank you.
[07:48] <tsimpson> yeah, -live is just for the LiveCDs
[07:48] <Severian> That make sense then.  The alternate is not a live CD.
[07:49] <Severian> Should bug reports be filed on the daily builds, or just alpha, beta and rc disks?
[07:50] <Severian> I have not found a bug in the daily.  I am just asking at this point.  I did file on the alpha 1.
[07:54] <tsimpson> both
[07:56] <tsimpson> Severian: btw: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[07:56] <Severian> I have submitted several test reports there.  But, thanks.
[07:57] <tsimpson> just making sure, that's where most of the testing reports really should go
[07:58] <Severian> Since the pages there are labeled alpha 1, I assume I should not submit reports from a daily build.
[10:53] <lodder> Just dit a apt-get dist-upgrade and ubuntu-desktop and xorg are where removed. how can I restore it without deleting it. doing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop is giving xorg deps problem unresolved. Please help
[11:32] <geser> lodder: there is a xorg transition going on right now, it should be fixed within the next days
[11:44] <coz_> good day all
[12:01] <lodder> geser: ok, but it has been removed... is there a way to fix it or do I need to reïnstall
[12:07] <lodder> is there a way to reinstall xorg and ubuntu-desktop? with the current problems
[12:21] <duanedesign> new Natty kernel is not working so well. At least the WiFi
[12:24] <hifi> lodder: you'd need to install the older packages by hand
[12:24] <geser> lodder: either wait till the dependency problems are fixed an (re-)install ubuntu-desktop or start for fresh and do only a partial upgrade to natty (one not removing xorg and ubuntu-desktop) and finish the upgrade once the dependencies are fixed
[12:24] <hifi> or from maverick if they work
[12:25] <hifi> anyway, be careful during the development cycle with full-upgrade/dist-upgrade
[12:25] <hifi> aptitude does offer good solutions for partial upgrades
[12:26] <hifi> but always when apt/aptitude is going to remove something you know is important, just postpone your upgrade until it gets fixed
[12:26] <hifi> or do a partial upgrade but it's always possible something breaks
[12:31] <lodder> geser: ok thx
[12:32] <lodder> geser: how do you do a partial upgrade from cmd?
[14:33] <galamar> hey for some reason i cant join #iphonedev any ideas on why
[14:35] <smoser> is this a known issue : http://paste.ubuntu.com/560978/
[14:35] <smoser> galamar, works for me (xchat)
[14:35] <smoser> issue in pastebin is non-upgradable X
[14:35] <galamar> im on gnome-xchat
[14:38] <galamar> smoser, i used to have the problem getting into other rooms cause my nick was bad for IRC (noroot). but now i dont understand whats keeping me from iphonedev
[14:38] <smoser> sorry, galamar i dont know.
[14:38] <Zoiah> smoser: yes, see /topic.
[14:38] <smoser> it "works for me"
[14:38] <smoser> $ dpkg-query --show xchat xchat-gnome
[14:38] <smoser> xchat	2.8.8-3ubuntu4
[14:38] <charlie-tca> galamar: your nick is registered?
[14:39] <Zoiah> smoser: new stack is being uploaded.
[14:39] <galamar> yes it is now.
[14:39] <smoser> Zoiah, well, i read the post, it doesn't explicitly mention issues, and i'd upgraded several times since that to now.
[14:39] <smoser> but, ok.
[14:39] <galamar> since last time i had problems.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know then. Maybe ask in #freenode
[15:04] <syn3rgy> Was wondering of Natty will be supporting the GPU on the Sandy Bridge architecture.
[15:05] <syn3rgy> I have alpha on a disk but as of now no joy with the GPU =/
[15:09] <smoser> archive seems consistent now for my bug above
[15:19] <cjohnston> I just ran into bug #711283 and now compiz keeps crashing.. is there any way to fix?
[15:31] <genii-around> The xorg updates still borked?
[15:32] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:32] <charlie-tca> but only a few packages now
[15:33] <genii-around> OK, thanks
[15:35] <cjohnston> charlie-tca: any idea when they may be fixed?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> not really
[15:36] <cjohnston> Cause it looks like thats what is broken on mine. :-(
[15:36] <charlie-tca> They are still trying to build the images for alpha2 testing today
[15:36] <cjohnston> thanks
[15:37] <charlie-tca> got hopes to have something again in about an hour
[15:37] <cjohnston> ya
[15:37] <charlie-tca> but it didn't sound like a full fix,
[15:37] <cjohnston> cool
[15:37] <charlie-tca> just hopeful for a desktop cd build
[15:38] <cjohnston> uggh
[15:38] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I am scared to reboot, since the updates removed the nvidia-current driver
[15:39] <cjohnston> For me my compiz keeps crashing
[15:39] <cjohnston> all i see is my background
[15:49] <doodoo> I installed natty in virtualbox and got unity working. After I did an update, I am not able to get unity anymore. Both Ubuntu Desktop Edition and Classic Desktop shows old interface. How to solve this? Thanks
[15:57] <cjohnston> charlie-tca: update was pushed and im good to go!
[15:58] <charlie-tca> Great
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I will try mine too
[15:59] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:59] <cjohnston> let me know please
[16:01] <genii-around> Bah. I'm still getting unmet deps.
[16:02] <cjohnston> :-/
[16:02] <Zoiah> When I want to upgrade, it wants to remove 'cryptsetup' which is probably bad since I run on encrypted root.
[16:03] <genii-around> Trying with -f install
[16:04] <doodoo> with unity i get error fatal: software rendering detected. how to solve this?
[16:04] <genii-around> That worked
[16:09] <akshatj> How to I install kernel headers for Virtualbox guest additions to build
[16:09] <akshatj> ?
[16:11]  * genii-around reboots
[16:16] <charlie-tca> it's broken
[16:16] <charlie-tca> akshatj: ^ ^
[16:16] <akshatj> oh noes
[16:18] <akshatj> charlie-tca: any workarounds?
[16:18] <genii-around> Meh. Have to reinstall nvidia again
[16:19] <charlie-tca> hm, genii-around : nvidia-current got removed as incompatible. Do they have a new one?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> akshatj: seems VirtualBox-OSE is working for some people
[16:20] <genii-around> charlie-tca: My system seems to be grabbing the xorg-edgers version
[16:21] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:21] <genii-around> Reboot time again
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I am not rebooting yet
[16:29] <syn3rgy> Does Virtualbox OSE contain any blobs in its code. Wikipedia calls it "free software". Not sure they really know what free software is.
[16:34] <Daekdroom> OSE = OpenSo
[16:34] <Daekdroom> *Open Source Edition
[16:35] <charlie-tca> If you mean does it contain any proprietary code at all, I would guess it does
[16:35] <syn3rgy> Yeah it is Open Source under the GPL (so is the Linux kernel) but this does not mean that the code is free of blobs. The Linux kernel has lots of firmware blobs
[16:35] <syn3rgy> Yeah that is what I ment
[16:36] <Daekdroom> AFAIK, the non Open Source edition offers, for example, USB-direct-to-guest support, which is indeed provided by a blob.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Daekdroom: does it meet the fsf definition of free?
[16:37] <Daekdroom> No clue.
[16:37] <syn3rgy> No that would not be "free" to the FSF.
[16:38] <syn3rgy> they don't even call Linux free. They use Libre-linux as the kernel.
[16:38] <charlie-tca> for my purposes - I don't have to pay money (free) and it works very well.
[16:38] <syn3rgy> =)
[16:38] <smoser> anyone know about mumble in current archive state ? i can't get "Push to talk" to work. it doesn't seem to get any modifier keys input. i can't even assign one in the settings dialog. it acts like it doens't get keyboard input.
[16:38] <Daekdroom> I need my card's firmware in the kernel so I can have it working. I don't mind :P
[16:39] <charlie-tca> and if, it contains proprietary code, great! It still works easier than other vm
[16:40] <syn3rgy> I guess if so smoke as much weed as Richard Stallman you tend to get overly paranoid and zealous about words like free.
[16:41] <syn3rgy> The reason I asked at all was the wikipedia called it "free software"
[16:41] <Daekdroom> Anyway, the current situation is so much better than, say, Windows /troll
[16:41] <charlie-tca> free software can mean "not paid for"
[16:41] <Daekdroom> Free for FSF = not paid for, and I actually get to know how it works?
[16:43] <syn3rgy> I was a little bit surprised to see the next ver of Debian is going to be what FSF call free. lol, good luck with Sandy Bridge etc.
[16:44] <Daekdroom> Not only Sandy Bridge. The ATI opensource driver needs a binary firmware so it can work at all.
[16:44] <charlie-tca> along with video and audio codecs, it should be a real winner
[16:45] <Daekdroom> According to the VirtualBox website..
[16:45] <Daekdroom> "The VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is the one that has been released under the GPL and comes with complete source code. It is functionally equivalent to the full VirtualBox package, except for a few features that primarily target enterprise customers. This gives us a chance to generate revenue to fund further development of VirtualBox. "
[16:48] <syn3rgy> Well I am quite happy with VB as it is. lol, going to take Debian GNU/Linux about ... emm. 5 years to reverse engineer Sandy Bridges GPU. Thats a lot of hours in moms basement. The Intel compiler is NOT free and needed for the GPU.
[16:49] <charlie-tca> cjohnston: I rebooted, removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf (nvidia card), and got to gdm
[16:50] <cjohnston> cool
[16:50] <charlie-tca> how many will be broken because they don't know to remove that file after updating?
[16:51] <cjohnston> too many im sure
[17:53] <doodoo> todays update broke unity for me and now it cannot detect 3d acceleration.anyone else having same problem
[17:57] <charlie-tca> see the topic. It removes the drivers today
[18:12] <Volkodav> so do we allow to remove what it wants ?
[18:12] <Volkodav> In my case it is 5 packages - nvidia-current googleearth xorg-input all input-mouse and some else
[18:14] <Volkodav> oops - now it is down to 2 only nvidia-current and googleearth
[18:14] <patdk-wk> launchpad is so backedup :(
[18:17] <charlie-tca> depends on whether or not you use unity, I guess. Without nvidia-current, you can't use it
[18:17] <charlie-tca> and the new nvidia package is not ready yet
[18:17] <bjsnider> once nvidia-current is rebuilt it will no longer be incompatible. i would wait to upgrade until that happens
[18:18] <charlie-tca> also, if you let it remove nvidia-current, you have to remove or move /etc/X11/xorg.conf or it won't boot
[18:19] <Volkodav> I use gnome
[18:19] <Volkodav> and I can wait too
[18:21] <charlie-tca> heh, I quit waiting
[18:21] <Volkodav> ? removed ?
[18:21] <bjsnider> just because a package is updated doesn't mean there's a gun to your head forcing you to immediately install it
[18:23] <Volkodav> true
[18:23] <Volkodav> mine says the driver is activated but is not currently in use ?
[18:26] <whiz_> I am just doing a full upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 alpha using update-manager. anything that I need to take care of ? I need a working desktop. most likely will use gnome
[18:29] <bjsnider> if you need a working desktop don't upgrade to natty
[18:31] <lamalex> So there was a big X update today. Is it safe to upgrade with nvidia drivers?
[18:32] <yofel> bjsnider: do you know if nvidia 270 from x-update will work fine?
[18:33] <whiz_> bjsnider: thnx. stopped upgrade. maybe i will wait till beta
[18:42] <bjsnider> yofel, well. it's not certain. it works for me on maverick/with natty kernel. but it doesn't work for everybody so it's a bit of a crapshoot
[18:44] <yofel> ah, I'll just find out then once the other packages are installable
[19:00] <bravo2me> will natty be faster than maverick? with unity that is, cuz maverick is slow, and gets slower everyday
[19:30] <Daekdroom> bravo2me, 2.6.38 kernel brings huge performance improvements, but Unity itself, it's too early to tell if it'll be faster.
[19:37] <dupondje> vinagre seems broken here :(
[19:40] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vinagre/+bug/711442
[19:48] <mrenouf|work^> Is there any reasonably safe way of trying out the branch of Compiz intended for Natty, on Maverick?
[19:49] <mrenouf|work^> I'm particularly eager to try out the new Snap/Grid plugin.
[19:55] <bravo2me> ok Daekdroom
[20:43] <Ian_Corne> something went wrong when installing 2.6.38-1 on one of my boxes :(
[20:49] <afv> hi. anyone using nouveau with the last X.org stack and unity?
[22:36] <coz_> are the updates safe yet?
[22:37] <Daekdroom> I can't tell. I'm using xorg-edgers
[22:37] <coz_> ah ok
[22:37] <coz_> apparenlty nvidia-current still wants to be removed :(
[22:37] <coz_> ok I will wait until tomorrow or so  :(
[22:37] <Daekdroom> Yeah. It's broken.
[22:37] <Daekdroom> Don't forget to erase your xorg.conf if you remove it
[22:38] <coz_> Daekdroom,  nah... I wil just wait... I am in no hurry...everything is working just about fine
[22:38] <zniavre_> good evening
[22:39] <coz_> zniavre_,  hey guy
[22:39] <zniavre_> coz_ the gtk theme is working well ?
[22:39] <coz_> zniavre_,  which one?
[22:39] <zniavre_> default ambiance
[22:39] <coz_> zniavre_, oh yes it is
[22:39] <coz_> zniavre_,  seems to befine
[22:39] <coz_> zniavre_,  were there issues?
[22:40] <zniavre_> it looks like a redmond theme
[22:41] <coz_> zniavre_,  oh!! yeah that happens occasionally... I restart x and it generally fixes
[22:41] <zniavre_> ok i ll try as soon as possible
[22:42] <coz_> zniavre_,  so far it has happened twice this week  and a restart of X  seemed to work   ctrl+alt+F1   log in    sudo -i   password   restart gdm   << that's how Ido it
[22:42] <zniavre_> ok im right now trying unity (2d)
[22:45] <coz_> zniavre_,  ok yeah ... I always log into  classic gnome ( no effect)
[22:46] <zniavre_> it's what i did quite fast
[22:46] <zniavre_> :o)
[22:46] <coz_> zniavre_,   working now?
[22:46] <zniavre_> yep but not in 3d (always using vbox)
[22:46] <coz_> cool
[22:47] <zniavre_> the theme failed once
[22:47] <coz_> zniavre_,  I noticed, as I said,,, it does fail on occasion
[22:47] <coz_> zniavre_,  but not often enough to be a pain in the rear :)