[01:49] <bbordwell> does anyone know if there is a reason that poppler is compiled without libopenjpeg?
[02:12] <bbordwell> Okay I have this poppler bug that can be fixed by changing a compile option in /debian/rules (only downside is that it adds a build-dep) is there anyway I can get this changed?
[02:12] <micahg> bbordwell: bug #?
[02:13] <bbordwell> 710412
[02:13] <RAOF> bbordwell: If there's a bug already filed, you can make the packaging changes yourself and attach a debdiff.
[02:14] <RAOF> bbordwell: Ah, yes.  There *is* a reason poppler isn't built with libopenjpeg; openjpeg is in Universe, not main, so needs a main inclusion review before it can be promoted.
[02:15] <bbordwell> RAOF, is there a wiki describing how to get that process started?
[02:15] <bbordwell> i think i found it..
[02:15] <RAOF> You'd be looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[02:18] <bbordwell> thank you I will work on that
[02:34] <bbordwell> how do you find a list of all build-dep of a package?
[02:35] <micahg> bbordwell: apt-cache showsrc?
[02:35] <micahg> bbordwell: what do you want to do?
[02:35] <bbordwell> I want to know the build-deps of libopenjpeg2
[02:36] <bbordwell> i do not see them listed anywhere obvious using synaptic
[02:36] <micahg> apt-cache showsrc libopenjpeg
[02:37] <bbordwell> thank you :)
[02:42] <TheMuso> So the big X rebuild begins... :)
[02:43] <bryceh> TheMuso, yup
[02:43] <RAOF> Time to sell your stocks in proprietary drivers :){
[02:43] <Amaranth> and find another IRC client and text editor, apparently
[02:43] <TheMuso> Thats fine for my desktop, but not the laptop. :)
[02:44] <TheMuso> However if nouveau has worthwhile power management with 2.6.38/natty, then I'll likely use that and try out nouveau's experimental code.
[02:44] <bryceh> Amaranth, touchpad got pretty twitchy for me as well
[02:44] <TheMuso> experimental 3D that is
[02:44] <bbordwell> hmm question seven for a main inclusion request (Standards compliance: The package should meet the FHS and Debian Policy standards. Major violations should be documented and justified. Also, the source packaging should be reasonably easy to understand and maintain. ) is a bit over my head would someone be willing to look at this?
[02:49] <RAOF> TheMuso: I'm not sure whether power management has landed for 2.6.38, and which chipsets it applies to if it has.  There's certainly still active development happening.
[02:49] <TheMuso> ah ok then.
[02:58] <bbordwell> RAOF, If you are interested I filed the MIR report (bug 711061). Im afraid it may not be perfect as I have never done this before and I am not a dev but hopefully I can at least get this thought about.
[02:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711061 in ubuntu "[MIR] libopenjpeg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711061
[04:25] <RAOF> Would anyone like to sponsor an xserver-xorg-video-geode upload to fix the ftbfs against the new X server+
[04:25] <RAOF> ?
[04:31] <TheMuso> Sure.
[04:33] <RAOF> TheMuso: Bryce has just popped back up.  I'll happily get him to sponsor instead.
[04:33] <TheMuso> ok
[04:33] <RAOF> Of course, if you're interested in a couple of minutes of work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisHalseRogers/CoreDevApplication is still there :)
[04:44] <kenvandine> wow... look at the xorg churn tonight!
[04:44]  * kenvandine goes to bed instead of updating just yet :)
[04:45] <RAOF> Welcome to the turbulence as we rebuild all the drivers against the new ABI :)
[04:48] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah Its on my todo list. :)
[06:41] <pitti> Good morning
[07:36] <pitti> I need to run out for an appointment for ~ 2.5 hours
[08:11] <didrocks> good morning
[08:45] <seb128> hello
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> how are you?
[08:45] <didrocks> hey seb128, chrisccoulson
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you too?
[08:46] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, and you? :)
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> yeah, not too bad thanks
[08:47] <seb128> hey didrocks chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:47] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[08:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you are up early today!
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> lol
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> woken up by more daughter ;)
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> *my daughter even
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> d'oh, i need some coffee
[08:54] <mvo> chrisccoulson: more daughters? careful ;)
[08:54] <mvo> chrisccoulson: and yeah, I know this feeling very well (woken up early and the need of coffee^Wtea)
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[08:55] <chrisccoulson> i think 1 daughter is enough for now ;)
[08:55]  * mvo nods
[10:14] <pitti> re
[10:18] <Sweetshark> pitti: Good morning!
[10:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: hey Bjoern, welcome to the desktop team!
[10:19] <pitti> seb128, chrisccoulson, mvo: ^ say hello to our new LibO hero!
[10:19] <mvo> Sweetshark: nice, welcome!
[10:19] <RAOF> Sweetshark: Oooh, welcome!
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> hi Sweetshark, welcome :-)
[10:20] <mvo> OOo!
[10:20] <seb128> hey Sweetshark
[10:20] <seb128> welcome on board!
[10:20] <pitti> Sweetshark: did you already talk to Jason and got a mail from HR?
[10:20] <Sweetshark> Hello all! What a nice welcome!
[10:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: I talked to Jason already and got lots on emails recently from HR ;)
[10:22] <mvo> would you mind to add your real name in the irc prefs please (same for seb128 ;)
[10:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, nice! that should get you a little further wrt. wiki access, @canonical.com email address, etc.?
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i don't see your real name either ;)
[10:23] <chrisccoulson> but we all know who you are ;)
[10:24] <mvo> chrisccoulson: oh? then I blame xchat, I definitely set it in the preferences :)
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[10:24]  * chrisccoulson checks his settings too
[10:24] <mvo> I see yours
[10:24] <RAOF> I see mvo's, too.
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> oh, it must be my xchat ;)
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> i see everyone else's though
[10:25]  * mvo just hides from chrisccoulson 
[10:25] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:26] <seb128> hum, I would try but unity dropped the xchat-gnome menus when I restarted it
[10:26] <seb128> so I've no access to the menu to go the preferences now
[10:26] <mvo> lol
[10:26] <seb128> stupid thing
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - killall unity-panel-service ;)
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> i think i might assign a shortcut key to that!
[10:26] <seb128> lol
[10:27] <seb128> way to deal with unity!
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:31] <didrocks> welcome Sweetshark!
[10:32] <didrocks> mvo: seb128 didn't get the time to add his real name ;)
[10:33] <mvo> didrocks: actually, it *is* his real name
[10:33] <didrocks> mvo: heh, right :-)
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> nice. jo says if i go out and buy some bacon, she will cook me some breakfast
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> fantastic!
[10:37] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: That sounds like an excellent deal!
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[10:38] <didrocks> hey RAOF!
[10:38] <RAOF> didrocks: Good morning!
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, couchdb and mozjs is a pain :/
[10:59] <RAOF> Have some bacon.  That'll make it look better!
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:00]  * Sweetshark should have a nice and correct /whois too now ;)
[11:01] <pitti> Sweetshark: yep, looking good now :)
[11:01]  * RAOF has cracked the ‘n’s in his quest to rebuild everything on arm.
[11:03] <pitti> RAOF: still having fun cranking the rebuild machine?
[11:03] <pitti> RAOF: current dist-upgrade is still breaking due to xserver-xorg-video-8 here; but that could be due to me having had xorg-edgers PPA in Dallas
[11:03] <RAOF> pitti: The armel buildds thought it'd be funny to build all the drivers against the old X server.  I'll show them! mutter mutter mutter.
[11:04] <pitti> RAOF: "Use the build dependencies, Luke!"
[11:04] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah, that's what I'm doing now.
[11:04] <RAOF> But that's quite a lot more effort than “script a rebuild changelog entry and upload a suitable wait after the xserver”
[11:05] <pitti> *nod*
[11:05] <pitti> just easier because dep-waits will sort it out for you, and you can upload everything in one go
[11:05] <RAOF> This is true.
[11:06] <didrocks> RAOF: is it intended that I can update: 11-common xorg xserver-common xserver-xephyr xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all but it's holding back other  xserver-xorg* packages?
[11:06] <RAOF> didrocks: No, it's not intended.  There are about to be a huge slew of rebuilds, again.
[11:07] <didrocks> ok, waiting then :)
[11:07] <RAOF> And mach64 and r128 builds, because they're not in -video-all, so got missed by the first sweep.
[11:23] <pitti> micahg, chrisccoulson: could either of you give the lucid-proposed thunderbird-locales (bug 705028) a quick testing? it would really help unblock 10.04.2 if we could check this today
[11:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705028 in thunderbird-locales "Update Thunderbird translations to 3.1.7" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705028
[11:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, sure
[11:24] <pitti> cheers!
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - if you're looking at SRU's at any point, bug 538796 is fairly important
[11:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 538796 in moon "cannot open Firefox/Chromium/Google Chrome when libmoon is installed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538796
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> that's the number 1 firefox crasher on ubuntu atm ;)
[11:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: lucid is frozen, but I can do maverick
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks
[11:25] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, it's not on any of the CDs, so I guess it's ok
[11:26] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks. i'm trying to avoid having the plugin blacklisted by mozilla
[11:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, done
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks
[11:30] <pitti> RAOF: xserver-xorg-input-mouse, xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse, and xserver-xorg-video-ati{,-dbg} are still uninstallable, is that known?
[11:30] <pitti> (see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html)
[11:30] <RAOF> Yeah.
[11:31] <RAOF> I'm working my way through that list.
[11:31] <pitti> great, thanks
[11:31] <RAOF> -vmmouse was also built against the old Xserver :(
[11:32] <RAOF> Almost through the ‘s’s!
[11:33] <pitti> :)
[11:35]  * pitti gets into the pilot seat
[11:53] <NetShadow> is there is a software that can boost my bittorrent upload ratio like greeytorrent for linux?
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> excellent, i think i've got couchdb working with a debug build of mozjs, and no assertions now :-)
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> what a nightmare
[12:16] <chrisccoulson> it's not very well documented
[12:48] <seb128> Riddell, rejecting a source because the copyright year is one year off? you are picky! ;-)
[12:51] <Riddell> I prefer to think of it as high standards rather than picky :)
[13:10] <seb128> hum
[13:10] <seb128> nessita, hello
[13:10] <nessita> seb128: hi!
[13:10] <seb128> nessita, how are you?
[13:10] <nessita> pretty good! enjoying some awesome mate\
[13:10] <nessita> you?
[13:11] <seb128> hum, mate as the drink or as team mates? ;-)
[13:11] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[13:11] <mvo> tea!
[13:11] <nessita> as the drink
[13:11] <seb128> nessita, so I just got apport trigerring
[13:11] <seb128> nessita, http://paste.ubuntu.com/560939/
[13:12] <seb128> nessita, the stacktrace is similar to the one on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/711177
[13:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711177 in unity "images preview in places are not rendered correctly" [Undecided,Triaged]
[13:12] <seb128> ups
[13:12] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/702616
[13:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702616 in ubuntuone-client "Passing tests with odd DBus errors" [Medium,Confirmed]
[13:12] <seb128> nessita, ^ rather
[13:12] <nessita> let's see
[13:12] <seb128> nessita, do you want a new bug? or is this one enough?
[13:14] <nessita> hum, let me see if i understand what is going on. The bug report you mentioned is 'harmless' since it was only affecting the test run, and that was caused because in the test run, we're not faking one of ours dbus services
[13:14] <nessita> seb128: IRL, it does not make sense having that trace
[13:14] <seb128> nessita, ok, I'm not sure if the one I get breaks anything
[13:14] <seb128> but I got it twice since yesterday
[13:14] <nessita> seb128: please fill a new bug with the appport info, and let me know how to reproduce, if possible
[13:15] <seb128> the "how to reproduce" is not easy
[13:15] <seb128> I've been restarting my sesison a bunch of time to try unity and now I got apport to trigger with that crash
[13:15] <seb128> nessita, I will report the bug and try to keep an eye on when, how it happens
[13:16] <seb128> nessita, it was a few minute into the current session thoguh
[13:16] <seb128> so it's not likely during a session restart
[13:19] <nessita> seb128: thanks. Let me know if you get that again, I'm testing a prisitine natty install right now, installing updates ATM
[13:19] <nessita> seb128: let me know the bug # when you have it, please :-)
[13:20] <seb128> nessita, ok, I will, I need to update some packages first apport will not le report it right now because some x11 packages are not uptodate
[13:20] <nessita> hum, something wants to remove xserver-xorg-core...
[13:21] <seb128> nessita, yeah, it's middle of the xorg transition, wait a few hours
[13:21] <nessita> I will
[13:21] <nessita> seb128: ok, I'll try to reproduce later. Thanks again!
[13:21] <seb128> yw
[13:23] <nessita> kenvandine: I filled bug #711233 as we agreed
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711233 in indicator-me "Remove Ubuntu One from me indicator" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711233
[13:42] <chrisccoulson> aaaaaaaaaaaaah, syncdaemon is making my leg burn ;)
[13:47] <Riddell> cyphermox: bug 710728 says "you want to sync usb-modeswitch-data 20101222-2 from experimental too."  please file a bug if that is so
[13:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 710728 in usb-modeswitch "Sync usb-modeswitch 1.1.6-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710728
[13:48] <cyphermox> ah
[13:49] <cyphermox> ohh, I was certain this was all in one source package, thanks Riddell
[13:51] <NetShadow> is there is a software that can boost my bittorrent upload ratio like greeytorrent for linux?
[13:53] <Riddell> NetShadow: support questions in #ubuntu
[13:53] <NetShadow> ok sorry
[13:54] <kenvandine> Riddell, uploaded dbus-test-runner again
[13:54] <kenvandine> Riddell, thx for the review
[13:56] <cyphermox> pitti, could you please ack the usb-modeswitch-data sync for sponsorship as well? --> https://launchpad.net/bugs/711251
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711251 in usb-modeswitch-data "Sync usb-modeswitch-data 20101222-2 (main) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,New]
[13:57] <pitti> cyphermox: sure!
[13:57] <cyphermox> pitti, thanks
[13:57] <pitti> cyphermox: oh, there's a new data-packed binary; do we want to use that?
[13:58] <cyphermox> pitti, I don't know. maybe to ship on the cd instead of the non-packed data?
[13:58] <pitti> doesn't matter for CD space
[13:58] <pitti> just for installed
[13:59] <cyphermox> heh
[14:00] <cyphermox> I don't really see a benefit for either, except maybe as a workaround to debian #577853
[14:00] <ubot2> Debian bug 577853 in usb-modeswitch-data "usb-modeswitch-data: Unusual chars in filenames" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/577853
[14:06] <seb128> nessita, on what source should I report a bug about the ubuntuone indicator-messages entry not having a > indicating that the service is running?
[14:07] <nessita> seb128: you can do it on ubuntuone-control-panel, and I'll seek help around (I have no idea how to get that :-))
[14:10] <kenvandine> nessita, let me take a peak at the code there and see if i can tell what's going on
[14:11] <seb128> nessita, kenvandine: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+bug/711260
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711260 in ubuntuone-control-panel "the indicator messages entry should indicate that the service is running" [Undecided,New]
[14:11] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks!
[14:11] <nessita> seb128: ack
[14:18] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, empathy will be making some 2.34.x releases eventually for non-gnome3.  cassidy will ping you about it once it's further along.  This is just an FYI.
[14:18] <seb128> eventually?
[14:18] <cassidy> I will :)
[14:18] <seb128> I've seen the commits
[14:18] <cassidy> like this week
[14:19] <seb128> cassidy, nice, what will be in this one? is that a close from 2.32 or close from GNOME3 with gtk2 or..?
[14:19] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i can never seem to figure out things before you.  I've learned my lesson, no underestimating seb128.
[14:19]  * bcurtiswx_ sulks away
[14:19] <cassidy> that's 2.32 + some fixes and new features we want people to use
[14:19] <seb128> cassidy, it will work on GNOME 2.32 right?
[14:19] <cassidy> like contact search, SASL, etc
[14:19] <cassidy> yeah yeah
[14:19] <seb128> great ;-)
[14:20] <cassidy> you just need a recent tp-glib and folks but you have those already any way
[14:20] <bcurtiswx_> 0.3.4 not yet, i think
[14:20] <cassidy> folks 0.3.4 breaks it's API so wait for my first empathy release using it maybe
[14:21] <kenvandine> nessita, is that from lp:ubuntuone-control-panel ?
[14:21] <kenvandine> i can't even find an import for indicate
[14:22] <nessita> kenvandine: the icon in the messaging menu opens the executable from lp:ubuntuone-control-panel. The messaging menu specific entries come from lp:ubutuone-client
[14:23] <nessita> kenvandine: would that answer your question?
[14:23] <kenvandine> yes, thx
[14:23] <kenvandine> and i think that explains why this isn't showing up
[14:24] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, instead of me bringing up things you already know about, i'll just wait for you to talk to me about packaging them up ;)
[14:24] <seb128> don't wait on me to do updates ;-)
[14:24] <seb128> you can work on those
[14:26] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i know but I seem to figure out about them way after you do, so if you let me know of them (when I may not already know) then I can
[14:26] <seb128> ok
[14:26] <seb128> well I'm just watching the gnome #commits channel and the ftp uploads lists
[14:28] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, GIMPnet?
[14:29] <seb128> yes
[14:30] <bcurtiswx_> where is the ftp uploads list at?
[14:30]  * bcurtiswx_ waves to vish
[14:30] <vish> bcurtiswx_: hey..
[14:33] <kenvandine> nessita, i think i have it, testing then will propose a branch :)
[14:33] <nessita> kenvandine: your rock!
[14:33] <nessita> you*
[14:42] <kenvandine> nessita, i have to run to an appointment... the problem seems to be that messaging.py isn't included in the ubuntuone-client package
[14:42] <kenvandine> so it isn't installed
[14:42]  * kenvandine runs out
[14:42] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks!
[14:50] <desrt> dbarth__: good morning
[14:52] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin,
[14:53] <GunnarHj> pitti: Have you seen my latest comment at https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/language-menu/+merge/45681 ? Wondering if you draw the same conclusions as I did.
[14:54] <Riddell> ubuntu desktop has ttf-dejavu-core installed but not ttf-dejavu-extra, is there anything which brings in ttf-dejavu-extra or do you just live without italic and the rest?
[14:54] <pitti> GunnarHj: hello!
[14:54] <pitti> GunnarHj: I saw the reply; as the language list loading is already lazy, I think that's fine
[14:57] <GunnarHj> pitti: Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say. Think it's desirable that it's committed/released before Alpha 2, in order to get l-s and gdm in sync.
[15:00] <rickspencer3> seems my desktop solved the age old question of which side to put the buttons on this morning
[15:00] <rickspencer3> it took the nuclear option, no buttons at all!
[15:01] <pitti> GunnarHj: we are in soft freeze already, I'll review/upload after a2
[15:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh, after removing menus we now remove buttons, too?
[15:02] <rickspencer3> it's brilliant, really
[15:02] <rickspencer3> tbh, I'm just happy that Unity loaded this time
[15:02] <rickspencer3> after I dis-upgraded last night, Unity has been less than totally stable
[15:02] <mvo> no worries, 1,5 days till a2
[15:02] <rickspencer3> *dist-upgraded
[15:02] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's not, it's crashing a lot
[15:02] <rickspencer3> though "dis-upgrade" would be a nice option to have as well
[15:03] <didrocks> (while places are loading in fact, you can get some crashes)
[15:03] <didrocks> once they did their job, it's pretty stable
[15:03] <didrocks> so, hibernate is better :)
[15:03]  * didrocks runs…
[15:04]  * bcurtiswx_ tests hibernate
[15:05] <pitti> awesome; I opened the PTS for pm-utils, and now firefox keeps crashing right on startup..
[15:08] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, TIA
[15:12] <kamstrup> mvo: hi, have you ever considered creating a icon-theme.cache file for the icons in /usr/share/app-install ? That way  one can use GtkIconTheme and access all the icon data using mmap()ed I/O
[15:12] <kamstrup> mvo: it would speed up the icon loading *a lot*
[15:13] <kamstrup> mvo: on my box it gives a 22mb icon-theme.cache, which is not a huge deal compared to the stock gnome theme which has a 35mb .cache file
[15:13] <mvo> kamstrup: indeed
[15:14] <pitti> and these are generated at runtime only anyway
[15:14] <kamstrup> mvo: it would improve the experience in the Unity apps place signiticantly
[15:14]  * kamstrup is teh spellar today!
[15:15] <kamstrup> mvo, pitti: do you want a bug on it?
[15:17] <mvo> kamstrup: yes please
[15:26] <kamstrup> mvo: against which product?
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, hey
[15:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[15:26] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[15:27] <seb128> you guys probably know better about libdbusmenu and appmenu than other on this channel
[15:27] <mvo> kamstrup: app-install-data please
[15:27] <seb128> would any of you be interested by trying to get shotwell working?
[15:28] <seb128> the way it does menus is a bit special and appmenu has issues with it it seems
[15:28] <mterry> seb128, sure...
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - sure, i don't mind looking at that
[15:28] <chrisccoulson> oh ;)
[15:28] <seb128> well don't fight, whoever has some time for it
[15:29] <seb128> bug #649340
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649340 in appmenu-gtk "in Unity, top-level Shotwell menu does not change when user switches views" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649340
[15:30] <seb128> mterry, do you have other things on your todo for now?
[15:30] <seb128> I know chrisccoulson tends to be busy with firefox work...
[15:30] <mterry> seb128, chrisccoulson talked about it, I'll look at the bug today
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> well, couchdb mainly atm ;)
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> or, at least it seems that way ;)
[15:30] <seb128> mterry, ok thanks, can you comment on the bug saying that and assign it to you?
[15:31] <mterry> yup
[15:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok
[15:36] <kamstrup> mvo: ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/711304 for reference
[15:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711304 in unity "Create icon-theme.cache file to support mmap()ed icon loading" [Undecided,New]
[15:37] <mpt> mvo, sorry, looks like I won't have time for R+R cleanup today
[15:38] <mvo> mpt: no worries, its a2 time anyway
[15:43] <seb128> pitti, can you connect to the retracers?
[15:43] <pitti> seb128: I haven't tried yet since ronne got moved
[15:43] <seb128> pitti, I get a permission denied...
[15:43] <pitti> seb128: you can't access ronne any more
[15:44] <seb128> hum
[15:44] <dobey> KenEdwards: you have an old version of python-ubuntuone-client
[15:44] <dobey> damnit
[15:44] <dobey> KenEdwards: sorry again :)
[15:44] <seb128> pitti, so how do we fix retracers when they crash?
[15:44] <dobey> kenvandine: you have an old version of python-ubuntuone-client
[15:44] <pitti> seb128: everything was moved to osageorange
[15:44] <pitti> seb128: it's got a new alias porter-i386.canonical.com
[15:44] <pitti> I can log in there
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, thank you, I must have missed the email about this
[15:45] <pitti> argh, launchpadlib.errors SNAFU again :/
[15:45] <seb128> pitti, I can fix those
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, well that's the i386 one
[15:46] <seb128> the amd64 crashed on a different issue, I removed the lock to see if it still happens
[15:46] <pitti> merci
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, I will fix the i386 environment
[15:47] <seb128> pitti, you're welcome
[15:53] <kenvandine> dobey, i have the latest in natty
[15:54] <kenvandine> well, as of late last night :)
[15:58] <mterry> going offline, be back in time for meeting
[15:59] <didrocks> tremolux: will you release the lock soon for the meeting page?
[15:59] <didrocks> mterry: see you!
[15:59] <tremolux> didrocks: you bet  :)
[15:59] <bcurtiswx_> are all the xserver-xorg files changes done?
[16:00] <didrocks> tremolux: do you want starting an editing war? :-)
[16:00] <tremolux> didrocks: totally!
[16:00] <mvo> kamstrup: if you experimented with that already, could you attach your theme file please?
[16:00] <tremolux> didrocks: (open, for for it)
[16:01] <mvo> kamstrup: the index.theme I mean
[16:02] <didrocks> tremolux: hehe :-)
[16:02] <didrocks> hanks!
[16:02] <didrocks> t*
[16:02] <mvo> kamstrup: hm, nevermind, it appears a oneline file is enough
[16:02] <mvo> eh, two
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you know if xulrunner-2.0 is seeded anywhere?
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> i want to upload a change to it so i can get fennec to build
[16:05] <pitti> Task: kubuntu-dvd-live
[16:06] <Riddell> don't we have a meeting now?
[16:07] <didrocks> Riddell: in 25 minutes, isn't it?
[16:07] <Riddell> "this is the weekly reminder about our desktop team meeting at 16:00 UTC today, in #ubuntu-desktop"
[16:08] <Riddell> but if that's wrong I'll go and make some soup
[16:08] <didrocks> oh 16:00 UTC? Shouldn't it be 16:30 as usual?
[16:08] <pitti> sorry, I mistyped
[16:08] <pitti> yes, 16:30 as usual
[16:08] <pitti> Sweetshark: ^ FYI
[16:08] <didrocks> Riddell: I think you are the only one to read the content of it, then :)
[16:09] <Riddell> well I can never remember the times of various meetings and rely on reminders to remind me
[16:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: k
[16:09] <mvo> kamstrup: so I can generate the file now, but it appears that its not mmaped() for my test, did that work in your tests?
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, was "Task: kubuntu-dvd-live" in response to my question? sorry, only just noticed that ;)
[16:20] <chrisccoulson> i guess i can wait until after a2 ;)
[16:20] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it's apparently on the kubuntu DVD
[16:20] <kamstrup> mvo: I think you need to configure your GtkIconTheme instance appropriately for it to work
[16:20] <kamstrup> mvo: ie. not "out of the box"
[16:20] <mvo> kamstrup: I set the search_path accordingly
[16:20] <mvo> (I think ;)
[16:22] <kamstrup> mvo: can you paste your test code somewhere?
[16:23] <mvo> kamstrup: will do in a little bit, I just need to finish another task
[16:24] <kamstrup> mvo: i'd guess you need a set_search_path() and set_custom_theme()
[16:28] <kenvandine> mterry, now that i've split those providers out of geoclue, can you look at bug 686034 again?
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686034 in geoclue "[MIR] geoclue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686034
[16:28] <kenvandine> we want to upload a new indicator-datetime today which needs it
[16:28] <mterry> kenvandine, ok, looking now
[16:28] <kenvandine> so i want to get that over to main
[16:28] <kenvandine> mterry, thx
[16:30] <pitti> Sweetshark, bryce_, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, seb128, tkamppeter: meeting ping
[16:30] <seb128> hey
[16:30] <didrocks> hey
[16:31]  * tremolux waves
[16:31] <Riddell> yay, meeting!
[16:31] <mterry> heyo
[16:31] <cyphermox> hey :)
[16:31] <Sweetshark> pitti: meeting pong?
[16:31]  * kenvandine waves
[16:32] <pitti> welcome everyone
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> meh, only a tiny bit of my screen works
[16:32] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-02-01
[16:32] <chrisccoulson> seems there is an invisible firefox window covering it, and swallowing all events
[16:32] <kenvandine> ugh... rebooted and now it says i don't have the hardware to run unity anymore
[16:32] <kenvandine> guess i shouldn't have upgraded yet :)
[16:32] <pitti> I'll do the meeting today, as our beloved team manager had some unexpected family growth :)
[16:33] <kenvandine> :-)
[16:33] <pitti> first, everyone say hello to our newest team member Sweetshark
[16:33] <MrChrisDruif> Unexpected?
[16:33] <Riddell> hello Sweetshark
[16:33] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you want to introduce yourself quickly?
[16:33] <kenvandine> expected... just a little early
[16:33] <rickspencer3> pitti, would you put that in the category of a race condition, or a resource leak?
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> hi Sweetshark!
[16:33] <cyphermox> hey Sweetshark, welcome
[16:33] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark, welcome again ;)
[16:33]  * pitti giggles
[16:34] <tremolux> hey Sweetshark!  \o
[16:34] <mterry> Sweetshark, hi@
[16:34] <mterry> hi! even
[16:34] <rickspencer3> hi Sweetshark!
[16:34] <Sweetshark> Hello everyone! Usually one says something like "I cannot remember all those new faces" on the first day ;) ... but nicks arent easier ;)
[16:34] <seb128> welcome Sweetshark
[16:35] <pitti> Bjoern will take over LibO maintenance and development, which we all have been waiting for
[16:36] <Sweetshark> Oh, I overead the "introduce yourself" part ...
[16:36] <pitti> so I guess he now takes over the "biggest package in the desktop team" trophy
[16:36]  * kenvandine hugs Sweetshark
[16:36] <Riddell> Sweetshark: do drop by the KDE stall at FOSDEM and say hi
[16:36] <pitti> Riddell: nice that you bring it up -- who will go to FOSDEM this year?
[16:37] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:37] <tremolux> Sweetshark: where are you based?
[16:37] <Riddell> I'm giving a talk, I should probably think of something to say
[16:37] <didrocks> I will
[16:37] <Sweetshark> Yeah, I have been ~3 years at Sun/Oracles OpenOffice team and am excited to join you now and help out with LO.
[16:37] <pitti> Riddell: just demo KDE 4.6 and let the audience watch in awe?
[16:37]  * Sweetshark will be at FOSDEM.
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> Where was FOSDEM this year again? Brussels, Belgium right?
[16:38] <pitti> *nod*
[16:38] <Riddell> MrChrisDruif: Brussels, same place as every year
[16:38]  * MrChrisDruif crawls back to his alcove
[16:39]  * pitti suppresses the urge to ask Sweetshark about his diet preferences which his nick suggests
[16:39] <Sweetshark> tremolux: Im based in Hamburg, Germany where the old dungeons of the StarDivision-Team lie ...
[16:39] <pitti> so, let's go to the team updates
[16:39] <pitti> kenvandine: partner update?
[16:39] <Sweetshark> pitti: hrhr, no there a "deeper meaning" to the nick ;)
[16:40] <pitti> Sweetshark: you gotta tell us over a beer at the next conf
[16:40] <Sweetshark> pitti: roger, wilco.
[16:40] <kenvandine> yup
[16:40] <kenvandine> DX is in really good shape, lots of releases last week
[16:40] <kenvandine> indicator-datetime with eds and geoclue should get uploaded today
[16:41] <kenvandine> assuming we get geoclue into main today
[16:41] <pitti> kenvandine: please avoid uploading today, as we are in a2 freeze
[16:41] <pitti> and the archive is broken enough as it is still :/
[16:41] <kenvandine> oh, i thought we could anytime today was ok?
[16:41] <kenvandine> ugh... ok... i really wanted to get that in
[16:41] <kenvandine> i guess next week will do then :)
[16:41] <seb128> hum
[16:41] <pitti> well, don't break anything :)
[16:41] <seb128> kenvandine, don't listen to pitti it's only one indicator ;-)
[16:41] <kenvandine> hehehe
[16:42] <kenvandine> anyway
[16:42] <pitti> anythign which involves NEWing, soname bumps, breakage due to architectures going out of sync etc. should be avoided now
[16:42] <kenvandine> pitti, ok... that shouldn't be an issue
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> oh, i guess that means i can upload xulrunner then ;)
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> j/k ;)
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, right, what you need to be careful about is installability
[16:43] <kenvandine> for U1, they won't have the progress integration with the launcher yet, that work in the launcher isn't due to land until around the 10th
[16:43] <seb128> one indicator update shouldn't be an issue
[16:43] <seb128> there is no need to be overconservative it's a2 only and it's tuesday
[16:43] <kenvandine> otherwise they are in good shape
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> progress integration?
[16:43] <pitti> still, we need workign CDs at some point
[16:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it's a libunity API to show progress on the launchers
[16:44] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, using libunity to display status of syncdaemon and such in the launcher
[16:44] <pitti> kenvandine: nice; we also got places back now?
[16:44] <kenvandine> pitti, yeah, but that will be in didrocks update
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, nice! can i show progress of downloads in firefox there?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> i feel another task coming on here ;)
[16:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it will if you can teach firefox to speak to it :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, someday :)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> nice!
[16:44] <pitti> kenvandine: ok, thanks for the heads-up; can you please add this to the wiki, too?
[16:45] <chrisccoulson> i'll take a look at that after the meeting
[16:45] <pitti> didrocks: want to continue with the unity status?
[16:45] <kenvandine> i did
[16:45] <didrocks> pitti: sure
[16:45] <didrocks> all is more or less on the wiki
[16:45] <didrocks> a lot of uploads to get all the new things in shape
[16:45] <didrocks> most important thing is the return of the places
[16:45] <didrocks> so you should ensure to have them installed (unity-place-files and unity-place-applications)
[16:46] <kenvandine> didrocks, is places expected to be empty?
[16:46] <didrocks>  /!\ quite unstable for alpha2, really a first version
[16:46] <didrocks> kenvandine: no, but there is a bug that sometimes they are
[16:46] <seb128> kenvandine, install the places binaries?
[16:46] <didrocks> kenvandine: try to do a search and empty it
[16:46] <kenvandine> maybe that is the problem :)
[16:46] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have unity-place-files or applications?
[16:46] <kenvandine> not a recommends yet?
[16:46] <seb128> it is
[16:46]  * didrocks already told it ^^
[16:46] <seb128> but upgrades seem to not always pull new recommends in
[16:46] <didrocks> yeah, it's an unity recommends
[16:47] <seb128> or we had issues last cycle with that
[16:47] <kenvandine> ah... i don't
[16:47] <seb128> so I wouldn't be surprised if that's still an issue
[16:47] <kenvandine> i had them marked as "un"
[16:47] <pitti> -> off-meeting discussion
[16:47] <kenvandine> sorry :)
[16:47] <pitti> (np)
[16:47] <seb128> (well, worth mentionning for other who might run into the issue)
[16:47] <didrocks> any question/complain? ;)
[16:47] <seb128> (but yeah, not to discuss there)
[16:47] <pitti> tremolux: thanks for the s-c report on the wiki, great to see r&r in action! anything to discsuss there?
[16:48] <pitti> didrocks: will complain once I restart my desktop session :-P
[16:48] <tremolux> yeah, r&r!  it's cool!
[16:48] <pitti> didrocks: (seriously, good job with landing this in time!)
[16:48] <tremolux> all rock star accolades to mvo, this is his baby  :D
[16:48] <didrocks> pitti: thanks (I think it's time to /quit then before you restart) :)
[16:49] <tremolux> it's awesome to see reviews coming in..
[16:49] <tremolux> anyway, nothing more from me about it unless questions?
[16:50] <pitti> Riddell: what's new in Kubuntu land? any A2 blockers we need to be aware of or need more hands?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> heh, i only reviewed software-center so far :-)
[16:50] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.6.0 is in and compiled, blocked on ARM by bug 708714
[16:50] <Riddell>  * CDs building and no longer oversized
[16:50] <Riddell>  * 13 bugs milestoned for alpha 2 http://goo.gl/yGhJd
[16:50] <Riddell>  * bug 705917 for ubiquity a pain for alpha 2 nothing alpha critical (besides ARM being broken)
[16:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708714 in kdebindings "pykde fails to compile on ARM" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708714
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 705917 in ubiquity "kde frontend keyboard selector broken" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/705917
[16:51] <Riddell>  * Some more green on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[16:51] <pitti> 13 bugs seems a little on the optimistic side; I hope most of them aren't breaking install?
[16:52] <Riddell> no, nothing breaks install
[16:52] <pitti> (just the top two, I guess)
[16:52] <Riddell> ARM is not happy for sure and we may have to put up with using US keyboard layouts
[16:53] <pitti> ah, so primarily the keyboard selector thing
[16:53] <pitti> Riddell: is there a "root package" for arm, or is it a toolchaininsh issue?
[16:53] <Riddell> it's kdebindings at fault (or maybe sip4)
[16:53] <pitti> ah
[16:54] <Riddell> but I can't work out what's changed since the older versions
[16:54] <pitti> Riddell: so it's not just the switch to gcc4.5?
[16:55] <Riddell> I don't think that's relevant, although I guess it's worth checking
[16:55] <pitti> ok, thanks for the heads-up; nice to see the CDs back in size
[16:56] <pitti> I'd also like to run over the stragglers in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:56] <pitti> as at this point we shouldn't shake up the archive much any more
[16:56] <pitti> I mailed Charline about her's, not answer yet; I think we can postpone to a3, although it sounds like a prerequisite for a11y work
[16:56] <pitti> TheMuso: ^ do you know more details?
[16:56] <pitti> haven't heard from her in two days
[16:57] <pitti> kenvandine: "build libappindicator with gtk3" sounds like it wouldn't block natty at all, so I guess it's safe to move to a3?
[16:57] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:57] <pitti> RAOF's "talk to debian" WI can still happen, I guess
[16:58] <pitti> and I think we need to move TheMuso's three a11y WIs to a3
[16:58] <pitti> anything else?
[16:58] <Riddell> what's all this about no hibernate?
[16:59] <bryceh> heya
[16:59] <pitti> 55 WIs left for http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-3.html, that's going to be fun again
[17:00] <pitti> Riddell: currently being discussed on the list
[17:00] <pitti> Riddell: we'll get back the kernel support for it, so the remaining discussion is about how much to disable it in the UI
[17:00] <pitti> (or if at all)
[17:00] <pitti> disabling it in the kernel was an error
[17:02] <pitti> Any other business for the metting?
[17:02] <pitti> meeting, too
[17:03] <pitti> ok, thanks everyone!
[17:03] <didrocks> thanks :)
[17:03] <Sweetshark> nice timing ;)
[17:03] <kenvandine> thx
[17:03] <tremolux> thanks all!
[17:03]  * Sweetshark dials in for libreofice tsc call ...
[17:04] <didrocks> so, I was about to review and rate software-center with an exceptional rating, then, submitting it failed
[17:04] <didrocks> let me change the review :)
[17:04] <tremolux> didrocks: haha!
[17:04] <didrocks> kenvandine: so, you got the "can't run unity" dialog, isn't it?
[17:05] <tremolux> didrocks: guess we earned that  ;)
[17:05] <didrocks> tremolux: hehe :)
[17:05] <kenvandine> didrocks, yup
[17:05] <kenvandine> with intel graphics
[17:05] <kenvandine> always worked before
[17:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: and does unity start?
[17:05] <kenvandine> just did an update, not dist-upgrade
[17:05] <didrocks> tremolux: reviews.staging.ubuntu.com gives an error 500
[17:05] <kenvandine> didrocks, doesn't appear to... i get an empty screen
[17:06] <didrocks> kenvandine: empty? hum, doesn't sound good
[17:06] <kenvandine> nope
[17:06] <didrocks> should at least start nvidia
[17:06] <kenvandine> no fallback
[17:06] <kenvandine> nvidia?
[17:06] <didrocks> s/nvidia/gnome-panel
[17:06] <kenvandine> hehehe
[17:06] <kenvandine> easily confused :-D
[17:06] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[17:06] <didrocks> ok, looking at it then
[17:07] <tremolux> didrocks: hrm hrm, ok, any chance you can pastebin it?  I can check what's going on
[17:07] <kenvandine> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[17:07] <kenvandine> in my xsession-errors
[17:07] <didrocks> tremolux: sure http://paste.ubuntu.com/561037/
[17:08] <didrocks> kenvandine: hum, what segfault? (not looking at unity, trying to see why the fallback doesn't work)
[17:08] <tremolux> didrocks: got it, thx!
[17:08] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you please add --debug to gnome-session line in /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop
[17:08] <kenvandine> didrocks, compiz
[17:08] <didrocks> oh
[17:09] <didrocks> but still, you should get gnome-panel at least
[17:09] <kenvandine> so my gnome-session is trying to start compiz too
[17:09] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, that's intended
[17:09] <kenvandine> still want that with --debug?
[17:09] <didrocks> then if compiz can't start, compiz run metacity
[17:09] <didrocks> kenvandine: yes please
[17:09] <tremolux> mterry: thanks a lot for all your reviews btw!  it's great to see them
[17:10] <mterry> tremolux, 'course  :)
[17:10] <tremolux> mterry: and so sorry about the Déjà Dup issue, we will get that cleared asap so that the vast backlog of positive reviewers can have their say
[17:11] <mterry> tremolux, heh :)
[17:11] <seb128> didrocks, speaking of "can't get unity", there is bunch of nux crashes in the detection utility on launchpad
[17:12] <seb128> didrocks, you might want to point jay to those
[17:12] <didrocks> seb128: already done :)
[17:12] <seb128> k
[17:12] <seb128> I've switched a few of those to public earlier today
[17:12] <didrocks> hence the fact I still try to run unity even if it crashes
[17:12]  * cyphermox -> lunch
[17:12] <didrocks> yeah, I saw that, thanks!
[17:14] <kenvandine> didrocks, ok, so what do you want from this output?
[17:14] <kenvandine> it is very noisy :)
[17:15] <didrocks> kenvandine: the start, before it tries to run compiz
[17:18] <kenvandine> didrocks, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/561043/
[17:18] <kenvandine> that part?
[17:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: no before, the gnome-session part
[17:18] <didrocks> kenvandine: before it tries to start the apps
[17:19] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you just pastebin until INITIALIZATION?
[17:20] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/561045/
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, can you work on bug #706941?
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706941 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706941
[17:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is the appmenu code crashing when opening an evolution contact dialog
[17:21] <didrocks> kenvandine: /usr/local/share/gnome-session/sessions/classic-gnome.session ?
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, can take a look at that
[17:22] <didrocks> oh no, forget it :)
[17:22] <didrocks> I misread
[17:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[17:22] <didrocks> so /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/classic-gnome.session
[17:22] <didrocks> kenvandine: you have gnome-panel in it, isn't it?
[17:23] <fta> Title: evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in g_variant_unref()
[17:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can bug #706941 be closed?
[17:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706941 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706941
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, bug #703689
[17:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703689 in indicator-appmenu "Window registration racy with GDbus port" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703689
[17:24] <seb128> rather
[17:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that ones fixed now
[17:24] <seb128> sorry ctrl-v sometimes seems to not work in firefox
[17:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, closing it, thank you
[17:24] <seb128> fta, what about the title?
[17:25] <fta> seb128, evo started to crash for me a few days ago
[17:25] <seb128> fta, do you have a stacktrace?
[17:26] <fta> seb128, something to do with  /usr/lib/evolution/2.32/plugins/liborg-gnome-mail-notification.so
[17:26] <kenvandine> didrocks, yes Required-panel=gnome-panel
[17:26] <fta> but i can get a full backtrace
[17:26] <didrocks> kenvandine: ok, I can reproduce it, thanks :)
[17:26] <kenvandine> great :)
[17:27] <didrocks> hum, not reliably
[17:27] <didrocks> this time I got the panel :/
[17:27] <didrocks> grrr
[17:28] <didrocks> kenvandine: can't reproduce anymore, just logout and login again :/
[17:28] <didrocks> maybe it's only when one of the required components is crashing?
[17:37] <geser> didrocks: is this about the gnome-panel not appearing sometimes in the classic desktop?
[17:38] <didrocks> geser: it's in the fallback, but it can happens as well in the classic desktop
[17:38] <didrocks> kenvandine: geser: it's started in any case, so not a gnome-session issue. I assume the cause is that compiz crashed, with gnome-panel reparented
[17:39] <didrocks> trying something
[17:39] <geser> I still get sometimes no gnome-panel after boot (and auto-login) and have to kill -1 the running gnome-panel to get it "back" and on other occasions the gnome-panel is there
[17:40] <didrocks> geser: you still have a window manager running?
[17:40] <geser> yes, metacity (as I use the radeon driver)
[17:41] <geser> I can start gnome-terminal per hot-key and it has window decorations, so I assume a WM is running
[17:41] <didrocks> geser: ok, let me have a try
[17:41] <didrocks> geser: when it happens
[17:41] <didrocks> geser: can you try on a tty to do ps aux | grep gnome-pane
[17:43] <didrocks> kenvandine: so your log is really showing gnome-panel started, so same for you, ps aux | grep gnome-panel on a tty
[17:44] <didrocks> kenvandine: I think it's compiz when crashing/fallbacking which has unmapped the window
[17:44] <didrocks> or something like that
[17:45] <geser> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561058/
[17:45] <kenvandine> didrocks, yes gnome-panel is running
[17:46] <kenvandine> didrocks, but it isn't visible
[17:46] <kenvandine> metacity isn't running either
[17:46] <geser> didrocks: if something has crashed then it at least isn't mention in "dmesg"
[17:46] <didrocks> ok, same here, gnome-panel is running
[17:46] <didrocks> but not visible
[17:46] <geser> for me metacity is running
[17:47] <geser> I can even move my gnome-terminal in the space where the panel usually is (top of screen)
[17:47] <kenvandine> and running metacity from a VT seems to do nothing
[17:47] <kenvandine> metacity does start, but i still have no session
[17:48] <kenvandine> i get a crash dialog, but clicking report doesn't seem to do anything
[17:48] <kenvandine> the dialog goes away, and i auth
[17:48] <didrocks> yeah
[17:48] <kenvandine> but then nothing
[17:48] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you file a bug on… I don't know :)
[17:48] <didrocks> like compiz ?
[17:48] <kenvandine> sure, will manually attach the crash file :)
[17:48] <didrocks> I would say something like "compiz crashed", gnome-panel which was running isn't mapped again
[17:49] <didrocks> kenvandine: not on the crash
[17:49] <didrocks> on the other issue
[17:49] <kenvandine> ok
[17:49] <didrocks> gnome-panel not showing
[17:49] <didrocks> I'll let sam knows, he will maybe have some idea
[17:52] <kenvandine> didrocks, bug 711378
[17:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711378 in compiz "after compiz crashed, gnome-panel isn't mapped again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711378
[17:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks! We have more urgent things for now in compiz, but I'll get sure it's on that list
[17:53] <kenvandine> no worries
[18:27] <Sweetshark> bye all!
[18:51] <mterry> kenvandine, have you poked an archive admin to push in geoclue?  (I'm not one)
[18:57] <kenvandine> mterry, not yet... seb128 ^^^
[18:57] <kenvandine> but it doesn't look like we will have indicator-datetime today anyway
[18:58] <kenvandine> very new... :)
[18:58] <kenvandine> whoops
[19:00] <mterry> kenvandine, k
[19:01] <kenvandine> mterry, thx
[19:07] <seb128> kenvandine, mterry: what do you need?
[19:08] <kenvandine> seb128, geoclue promoted
[19:09] <seb128> which binaries?
[19:09] <seb128> it's maybe better to wait that upload something using it
[19:09] <seb128> if the indicator slip to after a2 let's delay to not have those on component mismatch for the alpha image
[19:10] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:10] <kenvandine> that is fine
[19:10] <fta> is bug 706408 still targeted for a2 ?
[19:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706408 in indicator-messages "duplicated entries in the indicator menu" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706408
[19:11] <seb128> fta, it will likely slip, ted didn't seem to have time for it
[19:11] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know on what is working today?
[19:12] <fta> in my case, it's more than just duplicated entries, like i have 4 evo, none of which is usable to start evo, so it's broken
[19:12] <fta> same for xchat
[19:12] <seb128> fta, it's adding one every time you restart the client
[19:12] <seb128> fta, you can kill the indicator-messages-service it will respawn
[19:13] <seb128> you will get a clean indicator as well
[19:13] <fta> i know, i kill it several times a day
[19:13] <fta> but the list keeps growing
[19:13] <seb128> bug ted when he's on irc
[19:15] <kenvandine> seb128, he seems to be having snow issues today :)
[19:15] <kenvandine> can't reach him now
[19:15]  * kenvandine heads out to lunch... bbiab
[19:16] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, right, he was speaking about the weather yesterday
[19:16] <seb128> kenvandine, enjoy!
[20:25] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, i guess restarting my laptop wasn't a great idea
[20:25] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: intel?
[20:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> Amaranth, i saw the bug earlier, but forgot about it when i restarted ;)
[20:26] <Amaranth> yeah, apparently that bug is currently considered an alpha-2 blocker now :/
[20:26] <chrisccoulson> by the time i remembered, it was too late ;)
[20:28] <soren> Sorry, which bug is this?
[20:28] <soren> I just updated and have intel graphics, so this sounds intriguing :)
[20:40] <bryceh> Amaranth, fwiw I'm not certain it's the X stack - I had run unity on it yesterday without problem.  I'm wondering if it is glew (which got sync'd in yesterday too)
[20:51] <chrisccoulson> bryceh, bug 711401 seems to back that up
[20:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711401 in unity "update to glew 1.5.7 broke unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711401
[20:55] <bryceh> ok I can reproduce
[20:56] <kenvandine> bryceh, downgrading glew did seem to fix it
[20:56] <bryceh> yep, testing that myself
[20:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm just testing that too
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> ok, confirming there that downgrading glew fixes it too
[21:01] <bryceh> yep
[21:07] <soren> So this Intel breakage thing people are talking about only applies if one is running unity?
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> it's not just intel is it?
[21:08] <chrisccoulson> i saw a comment from someone with ATI too
[21:08] <bryceh> heh, it's not even really an intel breakage, it's in glew
[21:08] <bryceh> glew isn't part of X, and is just coincidental that it got updated yesterday at the same time as the X stuff
[21:09] <bryceh> (other than involving opengl it's not really part of X)
[21:09] <bryceh> but the question is what to do with it...
[21:09] <bryceh> shall we just downgrade it for now and investigate later?
[21:09] <bryceh> or figure out what change caused nux to choke
[21:10] <bryceh> skaet, preferences?
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> i'd probably go for just downgrading it tbh
[21:10] <bryceh> that seems sanest to me too
[21:10] <skaet> bryceh, downgrade
[21:10] <bryceh> skaet, alrighty, on  it
[21:10] <skaet> thanks!
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks :)
[21:11] <rickspencer3> bryceh, did you try and confirm that it was flew?
[21:11] <rickspencer3> could people not force a downgrade and let you know if that fixes the issues?
[21:11] <rickspencer3> *glew
[21:11] <rickspencer3> shrew
[21:12] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yes I reproduced it locally, got a matching stack trace, built older glew locally and installed it, restarted unity and it worked again
[21:12] <rickspencer3> do we need the later glew for anything?
[21:12] <rickspencer3> he asks not actually knowing wtf glew is
[21:12] <skaet> lol
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, i confirmed that too
[21:13] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yeah it's new to me too.  It is the "OpenGL Extension Wrangler", that's a helper library for client apps that use OpenGL
[21:13] <rickspencer3> interesting
[21:14] <rickspencer3> seems like an easy answer, i hope that's it!
[21:14] <bryceh> I know the sync request that pulled it in, which was championed by a community member, and I don't think there were any specific Ubuntu requirements pulling it in
[21:14] <bryceh> so I think we're safe to downgrade and investigate later
[21:14] <chrisccoulson> oh, ari-tczew ;)
[21:14] <bryceh> rickspencer3, I'll follow up
[21:15] <rickspencer3> bryceh, sure, I know we're good hands when you're on the case!
[21:16] <kenvandine> bryceh, i have now confirmed the glew downgrade fixed it on both of my intel boxes
[21:17] <kenvandine> bryceh, nice bisecting :)
[21:17] <kenvandine> the nice thing about this bug was that it uncovered a bug in our 2d fallback :)
[21:17] <bryceh> heh
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> man, the dead areas on my screen with unity are driving me crazy now
[21:38] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, woah, that happens on my netbook
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> xprop doesn't even show a window :/
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> xkill doesn't do anything on it either
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, yeah, it's happening here too. and it's pretty much the entire screen
[21:38] <rickspencer3> like there are rects where the mouse doesn't seem active in the window below it
[21:38] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, yeah, that's the same as i'm seeing :/
[21:39] <rickspencer3> huh, it's only my netbook, and it's like 25% of the area, it was very confusing at first, I thought my mouse was broken
[21:39] <seb128> hey
[21:40] <seb128> that's happening there when using libreoffice
[21:40] <seb128> or rather something similar to what you describe
[21:40] <seb128> it seems apport triggers some similar issues sometimes as well
[21:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i thought it was the issue with an invisible window, but i tried clicking on the area with xprop, and it displays absolutely nothing :/
[21:40] <seb128> but otherwise on normal use it works without glitch
[21:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right, it seems that it's compiz getting confused
[21:41] <rickspencer3> for me it's an area of my screen for all apps
[21:41] <rickspencer3> BUT for certain widgets, it doesn't matter
[21:41] <rickspencer3> like gtk.Buttons seem to work, but links in firefox, nada
[21:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, firefox is the real problem for me too
[21:44] <seb128> well I notice it in libreoffice where menus don't work in the broken rectangle
[21:44] <seb128> or nautilus doesn't let you dnd desktop icons in there
[21:51] <kenvandine> damn, now i am getting the "launcher not getting clicks" bug
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, see above :)
[21:52] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[21:52] <kenvandine> soooo frustrating
[21:52] <kenvandine> for me it is the launcher
[21:52] <kenvandine> now away
[21:52] <kenvandine> now anyway
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> for me it is mostly firefox ;)
[21:52] <kenvandine> you don't need firefox :-p
[21:52] <chrisccoulson> lol
[21:53] <kenvandine> hehe
[21:55] <seb128> kenvandine, did you run libreoffice? did you get an apport crash dialog?
[21:55] <kenvandine> seb128, i definately didn't run libreoffice
[21:55] <kenvandine> don't think i got an apport dialog
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - oh, libO breaks the launcher here
[21:56] <kenvandine> but i do have a crash file
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, someone else getting the issue! dx-ers and didrocks didn't get it
[21:56] <kenvandine> this is very annoying...
[21:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, like half of the time I run it the launcher stop responding as does the indicator-appmenu
[21:57] <seb128> not that I use libreoffice often, I opened an odt the other day and it did it and I tried a bunch of times since
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm seeing that
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> natty is not happy right now ;)
[21:58] <seb128> chrisccoulson, bug #709138
[21:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709138 in unity "unity gets really confused by office dialogs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709138
[21:58] <seb128> if you want to confirm it
[21:58] <kenvandine> pretty bad state considering we are about to ship a2
[21:59] <kenvandine> it was much more stable for me last week :)
[22:00] <seb128> well but it didn't have the places by then
[22:00] <kenvandine> yeah, i know
[22:00] <kenvandine> progress
[22:00] <seb128> seems they are a bit late on schedule and only landed the places in a rush yesterday
[22:00] <seb128> no wonder it's not rocking stable...
[22:01] <seb128> well it's only an alpha2, we will get there
[22:02] <bryceh> seb128, hey wanted to ask if that gl stuff got into cairo?
[22:03] <Amaranth> yay you guys fixed it
[22:03] <Amaranth> silly glew
[22:04] <seb128> bryceh, urg, no, sorry I got busy with other things and forgot about it again
[22:04] <seb128> bryceh, should be a bit less busy next week I will land that in natty after alpha2
[22:05]  * Amaranth wishes it wouldn't snow anymore
[22:05] <Amaranth> Just spent 45 minutes shoveling, my hands are a bit stiff
[22:06] <bryceh> seb128, ah ok
[22:31] <lool> Hmm evince doesn't start for me anymore
[22:44] <lool> logged off and it's back
[23:06] <RAOF> I take it there's not going to be an Eastern Edition?
[23:06] <bryceh> RAOF, unless it's just me and you
[23:06] <bryceh> * weee new X uploaded, etc. etc.
[23:07] <RAOF> Tales form the X: Eastern Front.
[23:08] <bryceh> RAOF, you might jot some of the stuff you needed to do into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty while the memory's still fresh, and if the notes might help next time around
[23:08] <bryceh> I think pretty much all the tasks are done there now
[23:09] <bryceh> the graph has been going a bit crazy the last couple days - http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-natty-workqueue.svg
[23:09] <bryceh> most are dupes of some variation on xserver not installing due to the rebuilds
[23:10] <bryceh> but there's a bunch of new intel GPU lockup bugs
[23:11] <bryceh> RAOF, what's on your todo list coming up?
[23:13] <RAOF> I've got a couple of WIs that need doing - xvfb testsuite, mesa/proprietary interaction in the GLES world.
[23:14] <RAOF> Then there's the Unity+radeon+mipmapping crash to fix.
[23:16] <bryceh> I'm going to try looking into some irregularities in the apport hook; some of the compiz data isn't right
[23:16] <RAOF> Sounds good.
[23:16] <bryceh> then I got a long list of patches and bugs that need to get pushed upstream
[23:16] <RAOF> Yeah, always that.
[23:16] <bryceh> and finish up wayland... shoulda gotten that done long ago
[23:17] <RAOF> I need to prod mesa-dev@ about the dricore patch again.
[23:17] <bryceh> seb's going to get the cairo patch I need in after a2, so should finally be able to get the packaging done
[23:18] <RAOF> Woot!
[23:18] <bryceh> but I need to synchronize with what Kibi's done now
[23:20] <RAOF> Oh, and there's a couple of non-critical drivers that need updating still (xserver-xorg-input-kbd, tec).
[23:21] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html looks pretty clean at the moment
[23:22] <bryceh> once the xserver release becomes more immanent I bet we'll see new versions of a lot of stuff get rolled out
[23:22] <RAOF> Yes.
[23:22] <RAOF> Some just need a rebuild, some need ABI fixes.  -{input,video}-all don't actually cover all the drivers ;)
[23:30] <RAOF> bryceh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Roadmap/Natty now has a brief post-mortem.
[23:33] <bryceh> awesome
[23:34] <bryceh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/711296 has happy customers now
[23:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711296 in xorg-server "package xserver-xorg-core 2:1.9.0.902-1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: installing xserver-xorg-core would break existing software" [High,Fix released]
[23:35] <charlie-tca> is it still removing the nvidia-current ?
[23:35] <RAOF> Yes.  And it'll keep doing that until there's an nvidia-current which supports Xserver 1.10
[23:35] <bryceh> looks good
[23:36] <bryceh> btw, does the new xserver break virtualbox drivers?
[23:36] <RAOF> Probably.
[23:36] <RAOF> They'll need a rebuild at the very least.
[23:37] <bryceh> skaet, ^^ for reference
[23:38] <bryceh> skaet, the vbox guys usually take care of this, but might be worth checking on
[23:39] <skaet> bryceh, ok.
[23:39] <skaet> thanks for the head's up.
[23:39] <charlie-tca> RAOF: thanks. I will put word out as I hear it asked, then.