[00:05] <_Techie_> is there an automated way to install a PXE server?
[00:39] <toddnine_> Hi guys.  Just installed this mb and trying to install server 10.10 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3434&dl=1#fq
[00:40] <toddnine_> It doesn't recognize any of the drives.  Any ideas where I can get them?
[00:42] <patdk-lap> odd, it's just a ich10r, should be fine
[00:42] <patdk-lap> did you plug them into the 3g or 6g ports?
[00:46]  * twb blinks
[00:46] <twb> Aren't we only just up to 4G?
[00:46] <patdk-lap> hehe
[00:49] <clusty> hey
[00:50] <clusty> was wondering if any of you had any suggestion on some usable c++ IDE. no emacs or eclipse :D. one feature i would love to have is communication with gdb
[00:50] <clusty> loading/saving/updating breakpoints, etc
[00:51] <twb> clusty: you just said "I need a usable C++ IDE, except it can't be one of the usable ones"
[00:51] <clusty> :D
[00:52] <twb> I guess there's jEdit?  It aims to be Emacs NIH'd in Java.
[00:52] <clusty> i hate emacs with a vengeance, and eclipse is a pain to setup, maintain
[00:53] <twb> What you feel now is mere dislike.
[00:53] <twb> When you've used Emacs for twenty years, THEN you will begin to hate it
[00:55] <clusty> still have not found an easy way to use gdb from vim
[00:56] <clusty> now i am using vim to edit, and emacs to run gdb so i get source with code in a nicer mode
[00:56] <twb> Shrug.
[00:57] <clusty> tell me about it
[00:57] <twb> If you have specific problems with Emacs, you can ask #emacs about them
[00:57] <clusty> i find the whole environment very backwards
[00:57] <clusty> shortcuts that involve 3 combos just feel WRONG
[01:15] <clusty> twb: jedit looks very promising
[01:15] <clusty> plugin autoinstall is a great start :D
[01:16] <twb> I've never used it, because it doesn't work on a tty
[01:20] <JanC> clusty: geany is another option, if you want a GUI
[01:20] <JanC> much more basic than jEdit though
[01:21] <twb> I think the core requirement is that it has gud
[01:21] <twb> And isn't emacs
[01:22] <JanC> geany seems to fit his/her requirements (maybe with some of the plugins installed)
[01:23] <JanC> and so do several other IDEs
[01:24] <clusty> twb: taking it back. fugly and does not work out of the box for c++
[01:26] <clusty> JanC: thanks. giving it a go now
[01:27] <clusty> another thing i was struggling with was having ctag files autoupdated
[01:31] <JanC> clusty: there are 20 or more geany plugins, so make sure you check what's available and looks useful for your purposes  ☺
[01:32] <clusty> JanC: will do thanks
[01:32] <JanC> plugins in Ubuntu I mean, maybe even more upstream
[01:32] <clusty> it's a bit unfair that mac makes it much easier to debug proggies compared to linux
[01:32] <clusty> then again mac has it's own quirks...
[01:33] <JanC> well, there is Nemiver if you need a GUI debugger  ;)
[01:34] <patdk-lap> valgrind :)
[01:34] <JanC> but some IDE's hav support for debugging too
[01:34] <patdk-lap> debugging is boring, must profile :)
[01:36] <clusty> patdk-lap: try valgrinding a 300MB app
[01:36] <clusty> and see if you can even move the mouse
[01:37] <JanC> valgrind isn't a general debugging tool...
[01:38] <clusty> guys at work run insure++ every now and then
[01:38] <clusty> i personally never used anything else apart from valgrind
[01:39] <clusty> i really like the mac instruments thingy for profiling
[01:39] <clusty> has extremely low overheaad and is almost as good as cachegrind
[02:31] <_Neytiri_> i am haveing a issue setting up RFC 2136 updates with bind9
[03:18] <Darknetix> Anyone here up for some private wow?
[03:19] <Darknetix> Anyone here up for some private WoW? You are more than welcome to join at darknetix.dyndns.org
[03:26] <no--name> is using update-manager the same as using apt-get upgrade?
[04:31] <carmony> We have an Ubuntu 10.04 server with mysql-server installed from aptitude. Now, here is the issue, there is a bug with MySQL 5.1.41 that is fixed in MySQL 5.1.51. Are there any other options than installing from Source?
[04:31] <patdk-lap> installing from maverick?
[04:32] <patdk-lap> downloading the maverick source and recompile and install?
[04:32] <carmony> how can I install from maverick?
[04:32] <twb> I can tell you from personal experience that you are better off giving up RIGHT NOW
[04:32] <patdk-lap> :)
[04:32] <twb> mysql is extraordinarily Not Fun to cherry-pick
[04:33] <patdk-lap> twb, never had an issue myself
[04:33] <patdk-lap> but I normally compile from source
[04:34] <twb> patdk-lap: then you miss out in whatever packaging/integration debian provides
[04:34] <twb> for upgrades and such
[04:34] <patdk-lap> yep
[04:34] <twb> I guess if you just slap it in /opt and leave it alone forever, like a slackware system...
[04:35] <patdk-lap> it's more cause I had issues compiling in the sphinx module
[04:35] <patdk-lap> I haven't upgraded to 5.1 yet, where it's a plugin
[04:35] <twb> sphinx as in the python documentation framework?
[04:35] <jmarsden> carmony: You asked for "any other options", so I'll mention: If you *really* need to do it, you could 'upgrade' the entire server to Maverick, but then you're losing LTS benefits.
[04:35] <patdk-lap> twb, I should hope not
[04:36] <carmony> hrm, seems maverick has 5.1.49, not 5.1.51
[04:36] <patdk-lap> sphinx the search engine
[04:36] <jmarsden> carmony: Indeed... sources from Natty, if you are brave? :)
[04:37] <carmony> lol, Natty?
[04:37] <patdk-lap> sources from natty+1?
[04:39] <jmarsden> carmony: One more option:  apt-get source mysql in Lucid, backport the patch for the specific bug, debuild yourself a custom package of 5.1.41+yourfix .
[04:40] <jmarsden> rmadison -s natty mysql-server shows: mysql-server | 5.1.54-1ubuntu2 |         natty | all        so that should be recent enough :)
[04:41] <nroach44> how would i got about installing 10.10 server via usb msd?
[04:41] <carmony> well, its compiled with yassl, think it mike be easier to compile it with openssl?
[04:42] <jmarsden> If you start from the packaged sources, it should be easiest to compile it with whatever the package currently does, because that means less changes you have to make.
[04:43] <carmony> sorry if I'm a newb, lol :P I'm more of a developer than sys admin :)
[04:51] <carmony> can I see the options the aptitude version of mysql was compiled with?
[04:54] <jmarsden> carmony: Read the packaging scripts, or install it and run it with whatever option displays the compiletime options, I'd think.
[05:10] <carmony> jmarsden: ok, so we downloaded the source and are trying to build it. We changed the debian/rules file to use open ssl instead of yassl, but it is throwing an error saying "checking for SSL... configure: error: The flag --with-yassl is deprecated, use --with-ssl"
[05:11] <carmony> am I missing something where I should configure it elsewhere?
[05:12] <jmarsden>  carmony: Sounds like it.  Are you aware of the licencing issues with compiling GPLed software with openssl, by the way?
[05:12] <lifeless> jmarsden: there aren't any... its distributing that has issues
[05:13] <carmony> yes, and we won't be distributing it
[05:14] <jmarsden> lifeless: Hmmm... probably true.  I just think like a packager, and packages are usually intended for distribution.
[05:14]  * carmony pats jmarsden 
[05:14] <jmarsden> carmony: Do you *need* openssl?  As I said earlier, compiling it from source the way the package comes out of the source package will be easier.
[05:14] <carmony> the bug is with yassl
[05:14] <carmony> it was fixed in 5.0
[05:14] <carmony> but they used a broken version of yassl in 5.1
[05:15] <carmony> and didn't fix it until 5.1.51 of mysql
[05:16] <carmony> its a pain in the butt bug that is kinda rare, but a deal breaker for our software system
[05:16] <jmarsden> So... which source did you download, the fixed one?  In that case you can use yassl, right?  Or am I confused?
[05:16] <carmony> we downloaded the 10.04 version of the sources from Ubuntu's packaging website
[05:17] <jmarsden> Ah... I thought we had discussed downloading the Natty sources so you'd get something new enough to already include the fix. OK.
[05:17] <carmony> we were hopping to just compile with different options
[05:17] <carmony> hoping*
[05:18] <jmarsden> It should be doable... I'll grab the 10.04 sources and see what I can see...
[05:19] <jmarsden> carmony: Looks like we're using cmake, so you may want to check CMakelists.txt for any yassl-oriented config info?
[05:19] <carmony> ok, looking..
[05:21] <carmony> I see it adding the dependancy and sub directories, but I don't see anything that shows it requiring it I don't think..
[05:23] <carmony> ADD_DEFINITIONS(-DHAVE_YASSL) <-- would that cause the problem?
[05:23] <jmarsden> carmony: I'm not sure either, but does ADD_DEFINITIONS(-DHAVE_YASSL) ... right... it might.
[05:23] <carmony> http://paste2.org/p/1222171
[05:23] <carmony> that is the error we get
[05:27] <jmarsden> OK, that's a configure error, from autotools... but who or what added the --with-yassl option?
[05:28] <carmony> thats what I can't figure out, we changed it from the debian/rules
[05:29] <jmarsden> Can you pastebin the diff of your debian/rules?
[05:29] <carmony> hrm, I found this with grep: ./BUILD/compile-pentium-icc-yassl:extra_configs="$pentium_configs $static_link --with-yassl"
[05:29] <carmony> sure
[05:29] <jmarsden> I don't think you are building with icc though, so that shouldn't apply :)
[05:31] <carmony> hrm, trying to diff... it was just line 108 and 109, changed --without-openssl to --with-openssl and --with-yassl to --without-yassl
[05:33] <jmarsden> That's odd, my debian.rules line 108 says --with-ssl, not anything about openssl or yassl specifically...
[05:34] <jmarsden> We're talking about  mysql-dfsg-5.1_5.1.41-3ubuntu12.9  right?
[05:35] <carmony> jmarsden: yes, actually, talking with the other dev, he added the --without-yassl and changed --with-ssl to --with-openssl
[05:36] <carmony> jmarsden: he was following this tutorial for mysql 5.0: http://geektank.net/2007/10/re-compiling-mysql-5-0-openssl-support-under-debian/
[05:37] <jmarsden> I suspect the deprecation may be of anything related to yassl or openssl specifically, they now (in 5.1) want you to just say with-ssl or without-ssl and specifcy which SSL library in some other way... but that's a guess at this point.
[05:37] <jmarsden> Following a 5.0 tutorial for a 5.1 build is probably not a great idea.
[05:37] <carmony> lol, yeah, so I'm figuring out
[05:37] <twb> jmarsden: gods, I wish people would get that
[05:37] <twb> jmarsden: like <coworker> who follows blog posts about installing <foo> on 6.04
[05:38] <carmony> lol twb
[05:39] <twb> 6.06, rather
[05:40] <carmony> jmarsden: ok, it shows: --with-ssl=DIR Include SSL support   5.1.11
[05:40]  * jmarsden thinks... nothing wrong with that as long as he is still running dapper :)
[05:40] <carmony> in INSTALL-SOURCE
[05:41] <jmarsden> carmony: I'd guess you want to leave --with-ssl in there and hack Cmakelists.txt to say you don't have yassl please use openssl instead...?
[05:41] <twb> jmarsden: he wasn't
[05:41] <jmarsden> But again, I'm guessing
[05:43] <jmarsden> Or does CMakelists.txt not even get used in this build process... seems odd to have it there and then use autotools, to me...
[05:43] <twb> Eh, mysql is pretty dumb about everything
[05:44] <carmony> agreed, twb
[05:44] <carmony> ok, where would the OpenSSL header files and libraries located in ubuntu 10.04?
[05:45] <twb> carmony: libssl-dev
[05:45] <jmarsden> carmony: See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/secure-using-ssl.html
[05:45] <jmarsden> for how to configure the build for openssl... sounds like you may already have found that.
[05:46] <jmarsden> It says in part: "To use OpenSSL instead, specify the --with-ssl option with the path to the directory where the OpenSSL header files and libraries are located: ..."
[05:46] <carmony> ok, I installed libssl-dev, looking for where it put them
[05:47] <jmarsden> carmony: dpkg -L libssl-dev
[05:47] <carmony> and thank you both for being patient with me, I'm learning a lot
[05:50] <twb> carmony: you still haven't learnt not to roll your own stuff in /opt
[05:50] <twb> 15:32 <twb> I can tell you from personal experience that you are better off giving up RIGHT NOW
[05:51] <carmony> lol
[05:51] <jmarsden> twb: at least he is now trying to create a package rather than compiling from a tarball ... this is significant progress :)
[05:52] <twb> OK
[05:54] <carmony> ok, got a new error: http://paste2.org/p/1222218 -- but I think I'm getting close... I think
[05:55] <jmarsden> carmony: That looks like you left out a \ at the end of a line in debian/rules or some other makefile??
[05:55] <jmarsden> diff your debian/rules with the original and make sure you only changed what you intended to change.
[05:55] <carmony> ah, found it
[06:00] <kaushal> hi
[06:00] <kaushal> is there a way to build Ubuntu OS from a specific ISO ?
[06:00] <kaushal> I mean using Netboot/PXE/TFTP ?
[06:03] <twb> uh, you can netboot the installer
[06:07] <carmony> wow... I... I think it worked.
[06:12] <jmarsden> Congratulations :)
[06:13] <jmarsden> You must have a pretty fast build machine, BTW, a full mysql build from source including running all the tests takes a while...
[06:13] <twb> jmarsden: maybe whatever random blog post he's copying from set DEBUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck
[06:14] <jmarsden> Maybe... but I hope not :)
[06:15] <kaushal> twb: ok
[06:16] <kaushal> twb: you said installer ?
[06:16] <kaushal> are you talking about the ISO ?
[06:19] <carmony> man, its running tests, and its taking -forever-
[06:24] <twb> kaushal: no, I'm talking about d-i
[06:25] <jmarsden> carmony: Then you don't really know whether it worked yet :)
[06:25] <carmony> lol, I assumed
[06:26] <rallias> How do I set sendmail to foreward all my outgoing mail to a different mail host?
[06:26] <goddard> I am going to be setting up an ubuntu web server and during the install it asks for a hostname lots of tutorials suggest giving it a domain at this time
[06:26] <goddard> if I plan on having virtual servers what should I do then?
[06:27] <rallias> Just call it some random thing.
[06:27] <rallias> I call my server the-a-bomg
[06:27] <goddard> does this have any effect on mail or anything
[06:27] <goddard> cause postfix uses your hostname most the time
[06:27] <rallias> nah.
[06:27] <rallias> You can tell postfix to accept mail for multiple domains
[06:28] <rallias> webmin makes it a beautiful job... to set up that part.
[06:28] <goddard> rallias thats what id plan on using :D
[06:28] <goddard> rallias isp config worth using?
[06:28] <rallias> meh, if your behind a router, not really.
[06:29] <goddard> what does that have to do with it?
[06:30] <rallias> well if you're directly connecting it to the net your isp see's who you claim to be.
[06:30] <rallias> calling yourself the-a-bomg isn't the best thing to show your isp
[06:31] <kaushal> twb: ok
[06:31] <goddard> I see
[06:32] <goddard> rallias if I was connecting to my ISP then I should use a FQDN ?
[06:32] <rallias> no, won't let you.
[06:32] <rallias> It chops off a bit after the dots
[06:32] <rallias> Just call it something like goddard
[06:33] <rallias> or the username part of what you connect to your isp's email with.
[06:33] <jmarsden> rallias: Be very careful with webmin on Ubuntu... it tends to break things.
[06:33] <jmarsden> !webmin
[06:34] <twb> !augeas
[06:34] <twb> !puppet
[06:35] <twb> Bah
[06:35] <rallias> so thats why I never got postfix to work...
[06:35] <goddard> isn't it only not supported because of a depreciated md5 library?
[06:35] <twb> goddard: no
[06:35] <twb> goddard: run lintian on webmin's deb sometime
[06:36] <twb> I think they build it using alien or tar+ar
[06:36] <goddard> twb so what do you suggest?
[06:36] <twb> goddard: I suggest you learn to administer the damn system properly, i.e. from a shell
[06:36] <rallias> they built it with checkinstall if I remember the wiki right.
[06:36] <twb> rallias: that'd be about right
[06:37] <goddard> twb you have to admint virtual min is really nice
[06:37] <twb> goddard: no, I don't
[06:37] <goddard> you can setup a virtual server in like 2 seconds
[06:37] <rallias> tru dat
[06:37] <twb> You mean the dom0 or the domU?
[06:38] <rallias> nah the google.com and the images.google.com
[06:38] <twb> I kinda doubt google are running *min
[06:38] <rallias> eh I'll send you my bind9 hints file sometime
[06:39] <goddard> rallias ill take that aswell
[06:39] <rallias> goddard: I'm going to warn you, its 1.2 gb
[06:39] <goddard> ...
[06:39] <goddard> nvm
[06:40] <goddard> thats way to many hints
[06:40] <rallias> lol
[06:40] <twb> goddard: he doesn't mean hints for humans
[06:40] <carmony> hrm, ok, it failed four tests.
[06:40] <carmony> Failing test(s): main.partition_innodb main.information_schema_chmod main.trigger rpl.rpl_rotate_logs
[06:40] <carmony> think I should be concerned?
[06:40] <twb> I'm guessing that's not Reverse Polish Lisp
[06:40] <goddard> so does ISPConfig suck as well?
[06:41] <rallias> goddard: no clue
[06:41] <twb> goddard: anything that tries to baby sysadmins along with a web UI sucks
[06:41] <goddard> That leaves Cpanel which costs like couple grand
[06:41] <twb> BTW, I tried to pastebin the lintian output for webmin's deb, but it exceeds the maximum paste size
[06:41] <rallias> twb: What 'bout one I make myself?
[06:42] <goddard> twb haha
[06:42] <twb> Here we go: http://pastebin.com/vxfGjwGr
[06:44] <rallias> its complaining because of perl and .gif's?
[06:44] <twb> rallias: the reason Debian packages are so good is because the Debian Policy forbids packages from making retarded packages
[06:44] <rallias> *belch*
[06:45] <twb> If you think RHEL does a better job, you can go use it
[06:45] <rallias> Why should I pay some bozo 50 bucks for some piece of crud that is hyper controled?
[06:45] <rallias> its why I said no to windows.
[06:46] <rallias> quite frankly, i'm not against debian, i'm just against its definition of "retarded"
[06:58] <carmony> super newb question... you can tail a file, but is there a version of tail that you can use to read just the beginning of a file?
[06:59] <twb> Shrug.  When you use Ubuntu, you're benefitting from it.  Almost all Ubuntu packaging is pinched straight from Debian.
[06:59] <air^> head
[06:59] <air^> @carmony
[06:59] <carmony> lol, thanks air^
[06:59] <air^> :)
[07:02] <carmony> um, hrm...
[07:04] <carmony> jmarsden: I can't find any deb files to use to install my newly made packages?
[07:04] <jmarsden> If the build succeeded, they should be above the source tree, so cd ..   and look there.
[07:06] <carmony> there aren't any there
[07:06] <carmony> hr
[07:07] <jmarsden> carmony: What were the last few lines of text output by debuild ?
[07:07] <blahdeblah> Hi.  I'm setting up a new Ubuntu mail server, and i'm looking to hit it hard & fast with spam.  Can anyone suggest the quickest way to get my server on the nefarious spammers' lists?
[07:08] <carmony> jmarsden: crap, http://paste2.org/p/1222297
[07:08] <jmarsden> OK, so you need to figure out those tests and why they failed... apparently they are supposed to succeed :)
[07:09] <carmony> well, those tests are for master/slave replication and you need to do special things for those tests I guess
[07:10] <spartan07> Cannot get an ip on a server ubuntu 8.04.
[07:10] <spartan07> I switched /etc/network/interface to dhcp no good
[07:10] <jmarsden> Then the package would never build on a PPA or on the official build servers... so that doesn't seem likely.
[07:11] <jmarsden> Also... my own mysql build with that --with-ssl=/usr/include/openssl/ change just completed, and mine worked :)
[07:11] <spartan07> ran ethtool and there is a link on eth0 but I dont even see inet addr for eth0 can someone please help
[07:14] <jmarsden> spartan07: I'm not an expert on DHCP, but running   dhclient -d eth0    might get you more information on the issue
[07:15] <spartan07> dhclient not installed. can I install from cd?
[07:16] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get install dhcp3-client
[07:16] <jmarsden> Oh, it is in /sbin.  So try   /sbin/dhclient -d eth0 perhaps?
[07:16] <spartan07> jmarsden, dont have internet
[07:16] <spartan07> 1 sec
[07:17] <spartan07> no file or directory. not installed.
[07:19] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  That seems unusual to me.  I thought it was installed by default... will check.
[07:20] <twb> jmarsden: not in -minimal, at least
[07:20] <spartan07> running 8.04.3
[07:21] <spartan07> dont think its minimal. installed regular. how can i install from cd?
[07:22] <jmarsden> mount the cd, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/cd/.../dhcp3-client*.deb ... but that's a little vague.  I'm too used to having the Internet around... :)
[07:23] <spartan07> jmarsden, yea mee too thats why im stumped lol
[07:27] <jmarsden> spartan07: OK, it is on the CD under pool/main/d/dhcp3/ so mount the CD and then cd in there and sudo dpkg -i dhcp3-client_*deb
[07:28] <spartan07> mounting
[07:30] <spartan07> I restarted . this is a poweredge 6650 and it takes forever
[07:37] <jmarsden> Why did you feel the need to restart?  This is not Windows :)
[07:38] <spartan07> with other servers sometimes the settings dont take. Had this happen with 8.04 test server
[07:39] <carmony> jmarsden: woohoo, its working
[07:40] <jmarsden> carmony: Good :)  What did you have to do to get the tests to pass?
[07:40] <goddard> what is the hit on performance by virtualizing?
[07:40] <twb> goddard: depends on hardware and what you're doing
[07:40] <twb> goddard: and the virtualization technology, of course
[07:41] <goddard> is there a estimated percentage?
[07:41] <jmarsden> goddard: It all depends on what and how you are virtualizing :)  Just a few percent if you are lucky...
[07:41] <twb> I can pull a number out of my arse if you think it'll help
[07:42] <goddard> jmarsden i dont have anything in mind at the moment just kinda curious seems like a good option
[07:42] <goddard> twb haha
[07:43] <jmarsden> Then try it and see :)  For an article about virtualization performance (months old), maybe http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_kvm_history&num=1 woudl be of interest?
[07:45] <twb> Dhrystones per Second:                        25163562 (dom0)
[07:45] <twb> Dhrystones per Second:                        25163562 (domU)
[07:45] <twb> So, unsurprisingly, with LXC, CPU performance is reduced by approximately 0%
[07:49] <jmarsden> spartan07: Were you able to install dhclient ?
[07:50] <spartan07> no getting it to mount cd. working on it
[07:50] <jmarsden> ?  if your install CD won't mount, you have real issues :)
[07:51] <twb> he might simply not know how
[07:51] <jmarsden> spartan07: What command are you using to try to mount the CD?  And what happens when you use that command?
[07:52] <spartan07> think cd is scratched
[07:52] <spartan07> old cd
[07:53] <spartan07> looking for another.I know I have here
[08:16] <spartan07> jmarsden, dependency problems
[08:17] <jmarsden> spartan07: what else does it need?
[08:18] <spartan07> with dhcp3-common on system is 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu9.1 and it needs 1ubuntu9
[08:18] <spartan07> probably got updated during a system update since im runing 8.04.1
[08:20] <spartan07> should I install dhcp3-common and then install dhcp3-client again?
[08:21] <jmarsden> Wait.... your machine has dhcp-common but not dhcp-client?  What does   dpkg -l 'dhcp*'  |grep ^ii     output?
[08:22] <spartan07> has dhcp3-common but its 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu9.1 not dhcp3-common but its 3.0.6.dfsg-1ubuntu9
[08:22] <jmarsden> But it doesn't have any dhcp*client package installed?
[08:22] <spartan07> nope
[08:24] <jmarsden> I wonder why you installed the -common without the -client or -server?  Seems very odd.  OK.  Sure, try    sudo dpkg -i dhcp3-client_*deb dhcp3-common*deb    and see what it does.
[08:24] <spartan07> output shows dhcp3-common 3.0.6dfsg-1ubuntu9.1
[08:25] <spartan07> installed
[08:26] <spartan07> jmarsden, installed
[08:26] <jmarsden> OK, so now (at last) we can try  dhclient -d eth0
[08:26] <twb> jmarsden: aptitude why dhcp3-commont
[08:26] <twb> It'll tell you exactly why
[08:27] <twb> ...except that d-i sets all packages to "manually installed", which might bork it
[08:30] <spartan07> well one thing I see wrong is DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5  - my subnet mask is 255.255.255.0
[08:30] <spartan07> jmarsden, says no working leases in persistent database
[08:30] <jmarsden> No, that's not necessarily wrong.  Did you see a reply from the DHCP server, is what matters?
[08:30] <spartan07> No DHCPOFFERS received
[08:31] <twb> Is the machine cabled?
[08:31] <spartan07> yea
[08:31] <jmarsden> Can you check that your DHCP server is working OK?  are other machines getting DHCP addresses fine?
[08:31] <twb> Does "ip l" mention any interfaces other than eth0 and lo?
[08:31] <spartan07> yea. im chatting on this one
[08:33] <jmarsden> spartan07: Do you have an eth1 or anything similar in your    ip l     output?
[08:33] <spartan07> yea eth1
[08:33] <spartan07> lo , eth0, eth1
[08:34] <jmarsden> OK, so how sure are you the wire you have connected is really on eth0 ?  Maybe it is on eth1 :)
[08:34] <spartan07> did ethtool eth0 and has link yes
[08:35] <spartan07> oh wait wait that wAS LAST TIME
[08:35] <spartan07> it was on eth1
[08:35] <spartan07> moved to eth0
[08:35] <jmarsden> :)  all this because you had a wire in the wrong ethernet jack :)
[08:35] <spartan07> sorry frustrated and overlooked that
[08:36] <spartan07> ran dhclient output: bound to 192.168.XX.XX
[08:36] <jmarsden> You're good to go :)
[08:37] <spartan07> jmarsden, man thank you sooo much
[08:37] <jmarsden> spartan07: You're welcome.
[08:40] <spartan07> had been hours trying to figure this out. thanks again for taking the time to help me. I would have never figured that out. I also learned something new
[09:38] <bravvve> i have local network with machinesand a server under windows 2003 server and machines under windows xp,one of them is my workstation connected to the internet,i wan tu configure it like a update server for antivirus,how can i configure this on latest ubuntu server
[09:40] <mkulke> hello, how come that /usr/lib64/update-notifier/apt-check mentions updates, while apt-get update does not?
[09:45] <mike_miller> Anyone here familiar with the AMI images?
[09:52] <mkulke> how can i tell whether there are updates available or not?
[09:52] <mkulke> in machine readable form
[09:53] <mkulke> jeez, that seems to be a simple thing, but i've been trying to achieve this for ages
[09:55] <xampart> our isp changed and had to do little configuration. now kern.log shows a lot of "kernel: Neighbour table overflow" messages (/proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh/default/gc_thresh{1,2,3} are 4096,8192,8192 respectively). any experiences?
[11:46] <awanti> hi i have implemented samba server. Now i am facing bit problem.  I want to give the permission like 'in perticular shared folder users can create the files but they can't delete it
[11:53] <NetShadow> is there is a software that can boost my bittorrent upload ratio like greeytorrent for linux?
[12:04] <mpathy> Hi there.. I am looking for a ticketing system for my server.. Where clients can send support requests etc. - I know the most people would say OTRS, but its too big and bloated in my opinion.. Something like those nice ticket systems for software bugs, with a ergonomic and well-thought web interface (if possible Web 2.0/ajaxified) but more client support specific..
[12:04] <mpathy> Any thoughts? :)
[12:18] <remix_tj> mpathy: i use horde+whups at work
[12:18] <remix_tj> mpathy: works well
[12:20] <binBASH> horde? He didn't want to get bloated ;)
[12:21] <mpathy> Horde is some extra topic..
[12:22] <Error404NotFound> Can't mount nfs shares: http://pastebin.com/VQ4R2YYU Server is Lucid Lynx, Client is Karmic Koala
[12:23] <mpathy> I always liked the modularity and the extra modules available but nowadays it lacks so much at documentation..
[12:23] <mpathy> But whups is also a software bug ticket system
[12:24] <mpathy> I need something more "client support request" - specific
[12:24] <binBASH> :-) currently coding such a thing for my company
[12:24] <binBASH> webhosting company...
[12:24] <mpathy> like "my login in my groupware doesnt work" etc.
[12:25] <mpathy> binBASH: I also think about coding myself but I cannot understand something like that isnt available in a simple manner
[12:26] <binBASH> you don't need to reinvent the wheel ;)
[12:27] <mpathy> So why are you coding sth. like that? :P
[12:28] <binBASH> mpathy: Because I can't use that open source stuff for it
[12:28] <binBASH> and I don't want to pay thousands of $ ;)
[12:28] <binBASH> mpathy: http://osticket.com/tour/
[12:28] <binBASH> this one looks neat btw.
[12:32] <mpathy> yes but already too much in my opinion
[12:32] <mpathy> altough its more modern than otrs.. i had it installed for testing
[12:32] <binBASH> yeah it also has ajax iface
[12:35] <x-ip> hi all :)
[12:41] <Error404NotFound> Unable to mount NFS shares: http://pastebin.com/YfdfHm6t
[12:44] <Error404NotFound> on client i see: rpcbind: server <IP> not responding, timed out
[12:49] <Error404NotFound> anyone alive here?
[12:55] <mpathy> thx for the inspiration, I looked trough my mp3's.. I will listen to Comfortably Numb :P its no ubuntu-server specific question why not ask in #ubuntu
[13:02] <pmatulis> Error404NotFound: yes, there are 293 people in here
[13:03] <Error404NotFound> ok, confirmed one alive :P
[13:10] <Error404NotFound> what ports does nfs server need to open on client and server? I know that we should have 111 and 2049 open on client but anything else?
[13:34] <patdk-wk> Error404NotFound, it's random, check portmap
[13:36] <Error404NotFound> patdk-wk: the port that needs access is random?
[13:37] <Error404NotFound> what about that pastebin? it contains rpcinfo -p
[13:37] <patdk-wk> yep, it's an rpc service
[13:37] <patdk-wk> each time you restart nfs, or reboot, it could use a different port
[13:37] <patdk-wk> normally it will use the same one, but nothing says it will, unless you set it
[13:38] <Daviey> smoser, Bug #709542 ....  Have any ideas?
[13:38] <Error404NotFound> patdk-wk: can you please have a look at pastebin, and tell me what other ports should i allow?
[13:39] <patdk-wk> Error404NotFound, why? it would be useless, cause it will change
[13:39] <patdk-wk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352486
[13:40] <Error404NotFound> patdk-wk: but i can't leave the firewall on nfs server wide open
[13:40] <patdk-wk> why you need to specify what ports nfs should use, instead of leaving it random
[13:40] <patdk-wk> man, why is this so hard?
[13:41] <Error404NotFound> NFS uses random ports, but the firewall on nfs server can't be wide open allowing connections on all ports.
[13:41] <patdk-wk> so?
[13:42] <20QAAN25C> Hi, I try to install a dns server with bind9, I configure the forwarders in /etc/bind/named.conf.options and the zone  in /etc/bind/named.conf.local but the clients can't resolve the URL... have you any ideas? Thank you
[13:51] <pmatulis> Error404NotFound: NFS over the internet?
[13:52] <Error404NotFound> pmatulis: nfs on cloud
[13:58] <Error404NotFound> patdk-wk: thanks, that link really helped :)
[14:01] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:18] <hggdh> Daviey, good morning. I just uploaded a new ubuntu-server-iso-testing package to the PPA. Can you (when it is built) update your hudson slave with it?
[14:25] <Daviey> hggdh, wilco!
[14:26] <david506> I wrote my templates for for debconf, my script asks for the user to enter the requested information. But when I run the script a second time, it doesn't ask, it takes the same answer from the first run. How do I get it to ask each time ?
[14:41] <Daviey> zul, have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.1/+bug/710976 ?
[14:41] <zul> Daviey: yeah
[14:41] <zul> Daviey: multiple times ;)
[14:42] <Daviey> awesome :)
[14:44] <Daviey> SpamapS, Where you looking at issues with php5-fpm recently?
[14:44] <Daviey> Were*
[14:53] <Daviey> ugh, w.u.c seems to be timing out lots today
[14:56] <RoAkSoAx> bug #710976 is duplicate of bug #710505
[14:57] <zul> Daviey: ok its fixed now
[14:59] <zul> Daviey: php5-fpm was removed in natty i think when we merged it from debian again
[15:01] <Daviey> zul, Hmm
[15:01] <Daviey> was the binary package removed from the archive and this package is legacy on the users machine?
[15:02] <zul> Daviey: yeah it was removed from the archive afaik
[15:02] <Daviey> awesome.
[15:07] <jdstrand> zul: hey, couple of questions for you regarding alpha 2: apache2 is ftbfs on amd64 and axis2c for all releases. would you mind looking at these or finding someone who will?
[15:07] <zul> jdstrand: sure
[15:07] <zul> jdstrand: axis2c is well known though i think
[15:08] <jdstrand> zul: is a fix planned or a bug filed already?
[15:08] <zul> jdstrand: yeah i think there is a bug filed about it already
[15:09] <x-ip> Hi, i followed this steps https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests using ubuntu-vm-build, the node is up http://pastebin.com/gzYiZUve but it isnt recheable from the network, in fact i dont see the ip address from the 'prod.local' vm in the interfaces list
[15:09] <zul> jdstrand: lemme see if i can find it
[15:09] <jdstrand> zul: possibly 600174?
[15:09] <Daviey> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:09] <x-ip> i tryed the virsh console to get 'inside' the VM but didnt have success (using the console command)
[15:09] <zul> jdstrand: yeah
[15:10]  * Daviey hates axis2c with vengeance.
[15:10] <zul> jdstrand: the plan was to update to 1.7 i think but that kind of pettered out
[15:10] <x-ip> what am i doing wrong ? maybe am i missing something ? any help is appreciated
[15:10] <jdstrand> Daviey: I see that is milestoned for beta-- I guess we can assume not fixed for alpha2?
[15:10] <Daviey> jdstrand, I think it really needs doko's input tbh.
[15:11] <Daviey> I spent a few hours trying to fix the axis2c ftbfs, and it's a PIG.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ok, well he is on vacation, so I'll jot down the bug and move on
[15:11] <Daviey> jdstrand, it is on the release teams agenda btw.
[15:11] <jdstrand> Daviey: yes, I am helping them :)
[15:11] <zul> Daviey: doko already gave hsi input
[15:12] <Daviey> zul, Hmm, he added something to the bug
[15:12] <Daviey> But iirc it wasn't quite enough.
[15:13] <Daviey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/axis2c/+bug/600174/comments/13
[15:13] <Daviey> zul, ^^
[15:13] <Daviey> clearly doko hasn't looked at the upstream tree :P
[15:14] <Daviey> i should take another look.
[15:14] <zul> Daviey: yeah i had a poke at it but my brain exploded
[15:14] <jdstrand> zul: do you mind if I file a bug re apache@
[15:14] <jdstrand> apache2?
[15:14] <zul> jdstrand: sure be my guest
[15:14] <jdstrand> zul: that way it'll make it easier on your upload (soft freeze and all)
[15:14]  * Daviey imagines zul slamming his fist down, and denying jdstrand opening a bug.
[15:14] <zul> jdstrand: ack
[15:15] <jdstrand> hehe
[15:15] <zul> jdstrand: apache doesnt like -fno-strict-aliasing ;)
[15:17] <Daviey> zul, When jdstrand opens that bug, are you working on it?
[15:18] <zul> Daviey: yeah im going to revert the fix i was using for a bug
[15:18] <Daviey> zul, dandy!
[15:18] <jdstrand> zul: fyi bug #711293. tentatively assigned to you. feel free to reassign as necessary
[15:19] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[15:21] <jdstrand> zul: thank you for looking into ti
[15:21] <jdstrand> it
[15:22] <zul> jdstrand: np thanks for reporting it, ;)
[15:22] <zul> jdstrand: fix uploaded
[15:23] <jdstrand> dude, that was fast
[15:23] <zul> jdstrand: hehe :)
[15:28] <zul> Daviey: so what do you want to do with axis2c?
[15:29] <Daviey> zul, pah, i just commented :)
[15:41] <RoyK> hi all. which image type should I use with kvm? qcow2?
[15:42] <compdoc> qcow2 is not bad. I think you need qcow2 to migrate between servers
[15:42] <compdoc> its not as fast as using a block device
[15:44] <compdoc> raw might be faster too
[15:45] <RoyK> I just chose raw and allocated it all
[15:45] <RoyK> moving my Zimbra install to a dedicated virtual disk to ease backup...
[15:56] <compdoc> Ive been running my email server that way for a while. Asterisk too
[16:15] <RoyK> compdoc: is asterisk stable by now?
[16:16] <compdoc> works <shrug>
[16:16] <RoyK> I used to run it in a rather large setup with some 5k users some years back, and it sucked hard
[16:16] <compdoc> I use it at home - only about 5 phones
[16:17] <compdoc> I dont use any analog cards - its strictly sip and iax
[16:18] <RoyK> k
[16:19] <patdk-wk> ya, I used it years ago, with about 60 users, only for sip/iax, used a cisco router for fxo/fxs and sip phones
[16:19] <patdk-wk> worked fine
[16:19] <RoyK> in the early days of asterisk, Digium didn't even want to admit a jitterbuffer was needed, so we had to hire someone to write it
[16:19] <compdoc> seems to have grown a lot since then
[16:19] <patdk-wk> yep, I totally don't know why digim did that :(
[16:19] <compdoc> like most active distros
[16:20] <RoyK> patdk-wk: the code was submitted and eventually accepted into 1.4
[16:20] <patdk-wk> that is why I used cisco vic's, they have their own buffers
[16:20] <RoyK> vic?
[16:20] <patdk-wk> voice modules
[16:20] <patdk-wk> as opposed to wic's
[16:21] <RoyK> you need jb at both sides, though
[16:21] <patdk-wk> running over a 2 hope, 2gigabit network, wouldn't cause much jitter
[16:21] <patdk-wk> it was mainly echo cancelling that annoyed me
[16:21] <patdk-wk> 2 hop :)
[16:22] <RoyK> we had customers leaving because although they could hear well, the ones they talked to just heard gibberish
[16:23] <compdoc> getting the hardware and softare just right can be a bear - Ive seen lots of ppl talk about their failed projects
[16:24] <compdoc> takes a lot of testing
[16:27] <RoyK> compdoc: getting faulty software to work well can be a real bitch
[16:28] <compdoc> heh
[16:28] <RoyK> I did a fair amount of debugging on asterisk, and I beleive the theory is true, set 100,000 monkeys in front of a computer each, and they'll end up writing asterisk in a few weeks
[16:29] <RoyK> compdoc: http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav
[16:29] <compdoc> lots of nix software requires a bit of tweaking
[16:30] <RoyK> sure, but this wasn't tweaking, it was digging into the source to remove nasty memleaks, locking problems, scalability issues and whatnot
[16:30] <zul> SpamapS: http://www.osrg.net/sheepdog/
[16:31] <compdoc> asterisk-installation.wav is funny
[16:31] <compdoc> sounds just like the asterisk woman
[16:31] <RoyK> it is
[16:32] <RoyK> some guy paid her to read that
[16:32] <compdoc> I wonder how much money she makes
[16:32] <RoyK> she does (part  of?) her living for reading stuff like that
[16:33] <RoyK> iirc this wav came just before the callweaver fork, which eventually died
[16:33] <compdoc> never even heard of callweaver
[16:34] <compdoc> my version of asterisk is working, so I dont keep up with developments
[16:34] <RoyK> compdoc: it's a few years since that fork, and although it included more interesting stuff, in the nature of not being dual-licensed, it eventually died
[16:34] <RoyK> compdoc: good :)
[16:35] <RoyK> never fix a winning team :P
[16:39] <RoyK> asterisk suffers from the usual dual-license issue - they want to sell the software, so they can't use GPL in it
[16:40] <RoyK> so even though there are good and scalable RTP/SRTP stacks out there, digium has to rely on their own
[16:53] <RoyK> zul: interesting - getting zfs into that picture would be rather cool :)
[17:13] <RoyK> any idea how to have virt-manager make the vnc server listen to 0.0.0.0 instead of localhost?
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: o/
[17:20] <compdoc> I have to go out and shovel snow...
[17:20] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: quick update on powernap. I enabled by default InputMonitor's (keyboard/mouse) in the config, and if there's no device available, it won't launch any Monitor. I also found a bug that when disconnecting the mouse/keyboard from the USB, it sent a signal to powernapd and it stopped completely. Apparently the InputMonitor sends a SIGIO when disconnecting the device making powernapd to stop. So what I'm just testing is to ignore if the SIGI
[17:21] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay
[17:22] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yeah, we'll need to get that fixed
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so, if there's keyboard/mouse InputMonitor running and for whatever reason we disconnect it, the SIGIO will be ignored and powernapd continues to monitor (but won't detect any activity). Then, when the devices is  reconnect, the InputMonitor successfully resumes monitoring.
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, looks like the InputMonitor needs to understand the concept of connected/disconnected devices
[17:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: oh, another thing;  i think when you 'sudo stop powernap', it should wake the system up
[17:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: in the upstart job
[17:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pre-stop
[17:34] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think i'm going to add that
[17:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: in that case, we'll need to check if powernapd has entered to powersave mode
[18:56] <smoser> hggdh, RoAkSoAx around ?
[18:56] <smoser> lets go ahead and try to start testing images
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i'm here
[18:59] <smoser> hggdh, ?
[18:59] <smoser> he was here. he wanted to watch also.
[18:59] <smoser> lets join #ubuntu-ec2-test
[19:10] <zul> hallyn: ping
[19:11] <hggdh> smoser, here
[19:12] <smoser> join #ubuntu-ec2-test,  hggdh
[19:28] <xperia> hello to all. i have a simple question about ubuntu web server. what is best solution for running two or more webservers behind a router ?
[19:28] <xperia> i tryed to install Pound on one of the Webservers and redirect with Pound all the raffic that is not realted to the one server to the Other Webservers. But thing is the Pound Reverse Proxy Server is somehow not transparent and i am not sure if reall this is best solution for this Problem / Situation. What is normally used to run several Web Servers behind one Router with one Fix IP ?
[19:30] <xperia> the router itself run linux too. maybe it exist some possibility with iptables on the router side to redirect the traffic easy to the Webservers in the LAN
[19:32] <patdk-wk> pound, apache, lighttpd, nginx, squid, varnish, ...
[19:32] <patdk-wk> I doubt you will ever make a transparent reverse proxy though
[19:33] <patdk-wk> you just need to fix up your application to work correctly
[19:33] <patdk-wk> the only thing that changes is the ip address, so use the correct location for the ip
[19:48] <Matt28> hey all, i am rather new to linux, and i need some help.  i installed ubuntu server 64 bit and when i rebooted after install it came up to the cmd line only, is there not an x window environment?
[19:49] <hallyn> zul: hey
[19:49] <zul> hallyn: im just sniff testing lxc right now
[19:49] <hallyn> roses and fine scotch?
[19:50] <Matt28> hello??
[19:52] <MagicFab> Matt28, no, there isn't
[19:53] <Matt28> well that would make a lot of things make since then, the whole reason i used server was because i need raid support, and could not see where to set that up with a fresh install of the desktop version of ubuntu
[19:53] <zul> hallyn: yes :)
[20:13] <xperia> patdk-wk: thanks a lot for answer. varnish looks promising.
[20:14] <xperia> still dont know what is most prefered for such a situation. maybe somebody here with experience about such stuff what run best
[20:18] <patdk-wk> that depends on what your attempting to do
[20:18] <patdk-wk> varnish is a caching server, so it's cache could get you into trouble
[20:18] <patdk-wk> so you need to know what your doing
[20:21] <tm> xperia: I have just read the discussion in #ubuntu-de. you look at this link: http://www.apachetutor.org/admin/reverseproxies or http://buecher.lingoworld.de/apache2/mod_proxy.html
[20:42] <xperia> tm: thanks a lot for your reply ! will look into it
[20:57] <hggdh> what should be the minimum size of a server install? Of old it was 575,000. Current minimum seems to be 589,552
[20:58] <hggdh> Daviey, there?
[21:00] <zul> hggdh: sounds about right
[21:00] <hggdh> zul, the new value, right?
[21:00] <zul> i think so
[21:00] <hggdh> zul, thank you, I will update the test
[21:13] <Woutje123> Mr. Kirkland
[21:13] <Woutje123> You got time for pm-utils <-> powernap
[21:13] <Woutje123> issue/ small bug
[21:16] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: you can address your concerns to me in that matter, what's up?
[21:17] <hggdh> zul, can I go and destroy the test rig?
[21:17] <zul> hggdh: with a baseball bat
[21:17] <Woutje123> I was having issues with my ubuntu server not respecting my wake on lan settings after pm-suspend
[21:17] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: how so?
[21:17] <hggdh> zul, consider it done :-)
[21:18] <zul> hggdh: i will
[21:18] <Woutje123> I'd set wake to :"ug" (unicast and magic packet)
[21:19] <Woutje123> then after pm-suspend (manual of issued by powernap) it would only wake from magic packet
[21:19] <Woutje123> I just found the cause
[21:19] <Woutje123> it's in: /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/disable_wol
[21:20] <Woutje123> It has a line "ethtool -s "${d##*/}" wol g>/dev/null 2>&1;;" in it
[21:20] <Woutje123> when i changed the g to ug my problems were solved
[21:22] <Woutje123> I think it's a bad idea that all systems using ethtool in the background use direct commandlines
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx>  Woutje123: so that wouldn't be an issue with powernap but with pm-utils :). I'd ssuggest you file a bug against it saying something like "After manually suspending with pm-suspend, settings get changed"or something like that
[21:23] <Woutje123> there's no settings file anywhere that enables a system admin to set default behaveour
[21:24] <Woutje123> I was allready browsing pm-utils for simular bugs
[21:24] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: what version of powernap are you running btw?
[21:24] <Woutje123> I just thought this could relate to powernap
[21:24] <Woutje123> the ppa version 2.something
[21:25] <Woutje123> btw thanks for powernap, it was the only thing missing in my home server setup...
[21:26] <Woutje123> Now when my gf powers on the mediacenter my server comes on.... when it's turned of it suspends....
[21:26] <Woutje123> great stuf
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: hehe no probs it's a fun project to work with.. and a lot has changed in the past month, so we'll soon release 2.3)
[21:27] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: have you checked the powersave mode yet?
[21:27] <Woutje123> no
[21:27] <Woutje123> What does that do?
[21:28] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: instead of suspending it will just try to reduce power consumption
[21:29] <Woutje123> Can it be used in stages? stage 1, powersave after 5 minutes, stage 2 suspend after 40 minutes?
[21:31] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: nope... but that seems a cool idea that I'd like to discuss with kirkland
[21:32] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: I can have good ideas to bad I can't code for s***
[21:32] <Woutje123> :-)
[21:34] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: could you please file a bug agains launchpad.net/powernap and I'll discuss this further with kirkland
[21:34] <Woutje123> regarding the stage stuff?
[21:34] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: yeah!!
[21:35] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: sure, can't could but I can sure as ...... type....
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: by doing so we can keep track of it, as a feature request
[21:37] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: sure thing.. I'm filing a bug against pm-utils now.
[21:38] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: I'll create one against powernap after that
[21:41] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/711517
[21:42] <Woutje123> nice feature that uvirtbot
[21:43] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: powernap only has one bug....
[21:43] <Woutje123> :-)
[21:46] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: the powernap bug file it against the upstream project www.launchpad.net/powernap please
[21:47] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: I'm filing it on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/powernap
[21:47] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: is that correct?
[21:48] <stgraber> Woutje123: yes, that's the upstream project
[21:48] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: yes >) thank you!
[21:48] <RoAkSoAx> stgraber: it is a feature request :)
[21:50] <Woutje123> Should I add a "feature request" tag?
[21:50] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: not really necessary
[21:51] <Woutje123> ok
[21:51] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/powernap/+bug/711521
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: awesome! I'll point it out to kirkland and once he's around we'll discuss it and if he also likes the idea, it can be implemented soon enough
[21:56] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: If you need testing (bug related or not) you can contact me
[21:57] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: sure thing!
[21:57] <RoAkSoAx> thank you!
[21:57] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: Can you use my launchpad ID for that?
[21:58] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: I can post a comment in the bug report, and you'll receive email from it
[21:59] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: Ok, thanks very much
[22:00] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: no probs ;)
[22:03] <Woutje123> another question
[22:04] <Woutje123> I would like to display some server variables on the default tty without having to login
[22:04] <Woutje123> think conky for cli
[22:04] <Woutje123> Is there a tool to achieve this?
[22:05] <Woutje123> I want it to be live
[22:05] <qman__> well, I disabled tty1, and added things to rc.local
[22:05] <qman__> but that's just static text
[22:06] <Woutje123> things like system load, ip address software raid
[22:06] <qman__> I assume you could have it run something other than login somehow, though
[22:06] <Woutje123> Yeah I thought about that
[22:08] <Woutje123> qman__: not about that though
[22:10] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: have you tried byobu?
[22:11] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: Isn't that more like screen?
[22:11] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: yeah, but it shows you varios variables, such as uptime, load, CPUS, available disk space, and so on, you should give it a try
[22:12] <RoAkSoAx> it also displays IP
[22:12] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: I guess I could make a config that issues a couple of commands....
[22:13] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: How would I go about making it show up after system boot without login
[22:14] <RoAkSoAx> Woutje123: that I don't know. but when logged in, byobu is an excelent screen wrapper that you'll love ;)
[22:14] <Woutje123> RoAkSoAx: I know (now): sudo apt-get install byobu
[22:14] <Woutje123> Thanks...
[22:15] <Woutje123> it's a great start
[22:15] <Woutje123> I've got to go now
[22:15] <Woutje123> thanks for all the help
[22:15] <RoAkSoAx> welcome ;)
[22:55] <iarp> Has php4 been removed from apt-get sources?
[23:31] <hggdh> Daviey, awake still?