[00:00] and... \o/ hurray! [00:00] what did you do? [00:00] :) [00:00] * HazRPG looking forward to a nice hot shower in the morning :D [00:00] Jora: Fitted an electric shower all by myself :) [00:00] http://www.potaroo.net/tools/ipv4/ just hit 0 [00:00] we're screwed? :o [00:00] Whoop! [00:00] That was aimed at HazRPG [00:01] not the exhaustion of ip4 [00:01] hehe [00:02] so what happens when they run out? everyone stands around looking awkward while nothing actually goes wrong? [00:03] Well, there's a huge amount of unused IP addresses [00:03] they're just all allocated [00:03] shauno: this is just the beginning really, it'll probably be about 5 years before things go back [00:03] ISPs will want to take the cheap way out and put everyone behind a NAT as the solution [00:03] but that exhaustion doesn't mean people wont get them, that's that just APNIC having passed the entirety of their allocaton on to the next guys [00:04] sane people want IPv6 [00:04] the next guys still have a bunch of unused IP addresses [00:04] indeed [00:04] * BigRedS is a sane person [00:04] I just can't help think all the recent coverage is counterproductive [00:04] problem with ip6 is that there's no financial incentive until ip4 is actually exhausted [00:04] shauno: how so? [00:05] a big build up to nothing actually happening makes people think you were panicking over nothing [00:05] shauno: The point, I think, is to have the customers aware and so wanting to know what's going on [00:05] such that there is some incentive to implement ip6 [00:06] if the ISPs could sell on the ip6 capability (even if it is stupid scaremongering), then suddently they have reason to, and might find themselves implementing it [00:07] rather than just waiting for people to want it [00:07] yeah, I get that bit. it's just been very poorly explained. I think the worst thing you can do is have the average user treating it as "another y2k" .. end of the world scaremongering leading up to a fizzle [00:07] BigRedS: :) [00:07] Azelphur: :o! [00:07] Azelphur: it says 1% dude... [00:08] yeah, but due to expire today [00:08] we're only 8 minutes into the day, give them time :) [00:08] HazRPG: it says 0(exhausted?) here [00:09] * BigRedS notes the time. G'night people! [00:09] BigRedS: nite dude \o [00:10] Azelphur: oh I was looking at the percentage... the actual num of IPv4 says 0 [00:10] :) [00:13] hurray! [00:13] I'm alive! [00:13] so lets talk about being ipv6 ready [00:13] I feel motivated xD [00:13] I have a DD-WRT router and some random adsl modem, can my hardware do it? [00:15] * HazRPG is tempted to have a shower right now xD [00:15] ali1234: I just noticed your farm on the map! Looks great! [00:16] as far as being ready goes, I don't think I'm expecting ntl.ie to make any changes any time soon :/ [00:18] atleast, not positive changes [00:19] * HazRPG pours himself a glass of morgan spiced & sparks up a cig. [00:19] job well done I say :) [00:19] only taken... 3hrs xD [00:23] wtf, dd-wrt doesn't support ipv6 ootb [00:23] unimpressed once again [00:25] i need to buy some good rum [00:40] well, that coulda been more exciting. turns out my router does support ipv6, and ipv6 tunnels. so I setup a he.net tunnel on the router, and it's all happy [00:41] :) [00:44] brobostigon-andr: why the andr at the end? [00:45] shauno: wow, what router do you have? [00:45] * HazRPG not sure if mine supports IPv6 at all, since it is rather old [00:46] HazRPG: it has shortend it from android. [00:47] HazRPG: andchat has, I mean. [00:48] brobostigon-andr: ah [00:48] HazRPG: I'll get shot for saying this, but a fairly old apple 'airport extreme' [00:48] brobostigon-andr: cool, what app you using? [00:48] HazRPG: andchat [00:48] shauno: wow, apple does routers :o? [00:49] shauno: woah, that router seems pretty awesome [00:49] shauno: 2.4GHz and 5GHz bands [00:49] win! [00:49] brobostigon-andr: cool, might have to try that one :) [00:49] :) [00:49] yeah. that came in handy last place I lived. saved fighting for channels on 2.4 [00:50] huge downside tho, is that it does't have a web config thingie. some can be done via snmp, but mostly you're stuck with their management app [00:50] Good night as [00:51] all + [00:51] night brobostigon [00:51] Night shauno [00:53] shauno: yeah, 5GHz frequencies aren't picked up by a lot of devices either - so makes them more secure, especially when coupled with hiding of the SSID [00:53] I hide my SSID of routers, that way only people who know its there, can connect [00:54] I set my devices to automatically try to connect, even if the SSID isn't being broadcasted [00:55] its just common sense to nope have the SSID being publically broadcasted anyways, saves the waste of packets ever x seconds [00:55] my main use for dual band now is pretty evil. I share it with my neighbours (long story), so they go too overboard (she discovered torrents a few months ago. that wasn't fun), I just turn 2.4 off [00:56] heh, yeah I always fear things like that too [00:56] when I was in Egypt visiting my mum, I found out that the network was shared in the building >_< [00:57] ...and I warned her that having her documents folder shared would be bad in that situation - only takes one person to know what they're doing to access her files [00:58] people in her block must have hated me visiting, eating up bandwidth downloading ubuntu and watching lots of videos on YouTube xD [00:58] they don't really need to know what they're doing anymore :/ my macs do a pretty good job of auto-discovering shares on next door's laptops [00:58] yeah windows has gone that way too [00:58] with the whole "Homegroup" thing [00:59] thankfully, shares aren't enabled by default anymore - which is good [00:59] always thought it was daft having that on by default [00:59] I think it's pretty nifty. missus did a double-take when she noticed someone else's laptop in the sidebar. so I pointed out hers showed up on mine too [01:00] so atleast people actually notice now [01:00] my sneaky trick on windows for stuff like that was setting the domain to a non-default one e.g. "Workgroup" and "MSHOME" were default (depending on home/pro edition) [01:00] I was expecting setting up a tunnel to be more complicated than http://andrewhitchcock.org/?post=323 tho [01:00] so I'd put thinkings like "gimmieroot" or an animal name of some description [01:00] very nifty having it on the router instead of my laptop [01:01] shauno: heh :P [01:02] yeah, like I said windows does it too (even in XP) although you had to actually open up "network places" to see all the computers [01:03] I must say, although a lot of Mac's stuff I dislike for my own reason... but one thing I've always loved about them is the fact that they always employ new technologies into their products before the competition [01:03] most people don't do that tho :) herself only noticed because the sidebar's visible from the upload dialogue for youtube [01:03] in fact I think a lot of routers still don't give you IPv6 support :/ [01:03] ahhh :P [01:08] hah, my phone gets flying colours on test-ipv6.com too now. rock on. [01:12] :P [01:12] * HazRPG wishes mine supported IPv6 === n1md4 is now known as n1md4_afk [01:19] [Jono Bacon] Improving Diversity At UDS - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/01/improving-diversity-at-uds/ [01:22] woot, I might be able to put OpenWrt on my router now :D [01:24] my ipv6 is iffy, but i have voip now [01:24] so i have *some* technology [01:24] not completely past it [01:25] SNAT? [01:25] * HazRPG reading OpenWrt site [01:28] my adroid phone connects me to the company sip server [01:28] so sip calls go to my mobile [01:39] nice [01:51] haven't poked at voip for a while. paid a mote of attention while the missus was back in the states, but I realise I just don't use phones that much [01:51] not for talking atleast [01:57] heh, over the years I find myself using my phone less and less [01:59] I never used it much in the first place. I never migrated from sharing the landline in the hallway, to actually using my own [01:59] so conversations with friends always were just "where are you .. going to the crown? see ya in a couple of hours. click" [01:59] which is perfect sms territory, not bleed-me-by-the-minute territory [02:01] even work only really use it when we've a 4hr SLA to live up to, so they want the instant feedback that you got the message [02:01] It doesn't have to be like this [02:01] All we need to do is make sure we keep talking [02:02] (I realise you can do that with sms & email too, but "okay" seems much easier) [02:02] shauno: Crown? Not a cumbrian are ya? [02:03] sorta [02:03] * HazRPG realises that there could be crown's in other counties too [02:03] just wondered, cos we have a crown here [02:03] I dare say there is, but that's an auspicious guess. I spent that part of my life in barrow [02:03] never thought they might be crowns' in other places [02:04] ah so the crown you meant was in barrow - yeah that's not where I am xD [02:04] which technically is cumbria, but in a way that's pretty offensive to the rest of the lakes [02:04] very true [02:06] urgh... why is flashing custom firmware so difficult sometimes :/ [02:07] right, need to disable telnet off my router, brb === HazRPG1 is now known as HazRPG [02:29] back [03:57] updated ubuntu maverick images for the joggler http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/ [07:01] morning [07:04] morning czajkowski [07:11] dutchie: hows you [07:11] morning [07:11] tired [07:11] might go back to bed now, in true student form [07:12] how are you, czajkowski? [07:13] sleepy [07:13] and now my shower wont work [07:13] :( [07:13] ello ello [07:14] right [07:14] this problem sheet did not necessitate the entire morning [07:14] so i am going to make up for 3.5 hours' sleep now [08:15] hi anyone there ? [08:15] only us chickens [08:16] i majde an ubuntu copy using remastersys but when i boot it its boot as live CD and i dont have any icon to install . [08:18] Morning earthlings \o/ [08:29] Morning all [08:42] brrrrrr soooooo cool [08:42] *cold [08:42] AlanBell: you about [08:49] Ugh, Why are mornings so early in the day [08:53] hello all [08:54] czajkowski: I am [08:56] AlanBell: dm me a contact number [08:58] morning AlanBell czajkowski DJones [08:59] Morning peeps :) [09:01] Hi MooDoo cps [09:02] hey DJones :) [09:02] MooDoo: hiya [09:12] czajkowski: laaura isn't that hard to spell is it ;) [09:17] morning all [09:19] kazade: morning [09:20] ah ha! [09:20] Good morning peoples :) [09:20] hey kazade and bigcalm :) [09:21] o/ [09:21] such a beautiful sunny morning up here in st andrews [09:21] Morning all [09:21] doubletapping in irssi connectbot = alt-a in irssi [09:21] morning andylockran :) [09:21] anyone know how to send the f commands into a nested byobu window? [09:21] brilliant [09:22] I know ctrl+(a*n) send the screen commands [09:24] popey: inverted pyramid :) === n1md4_afk is now known as n1md4 [09:32] aye, I get it :) [09:36] bigcalm: :) [09:36] popey: I no longer have a life [09:36] hahah [09:36] Welcome to my world. [09:37] I am sucking in as many people as I can :) [09:37] * popey notes directhex was on last night [09:37] Going to start it away from the one we finished last night [09:37] * screen-x strains away from popey's vortex [09:37] Hovering over water I think [09:37] s/sucking in/assimilating/ [09:37] i ransacked bigcalm's house and stole all his stuff [09:38] Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! [09:38] found the stash of nude mags under the crafting table. tut tut! [09:38] hah [09:39] * MooDoo must not get sucked into popey and his minecraft world....... [09:39] popeydc.dyndns.org [09:39] DO IT! [09:39] lol [09:39] nooo! [09:39] noooooooooooooooo lol [09:39] well not at the moment any way ;) [09:39] As I lost everything last night (including 40 odd iron bars), I'm starting completely from scratch again [09:42] * kazade is contemplating downloading Minecraft to his work PC... [09:42] it runs in a browser :) [09:43] oh god [09:43] why did you tell me that? [09:43] :) [09:46] he didn't [09:47] I didn't see it either kazade, so I'm not tempted either [09:47] "/clear" is your friend ;) === dave is now known as Guest26980 [09:56] :'( [09:56] It just crashed [09:56] Bloody Java [09:59] Hey ho people.... [10:00] bah not going to get to london tomorrow so flipping busy ;( [10:01] dont suppose anyone uses Centos with webmin and proFTPd ? or just proftpd in general .... [10:01] i am having problems with it. [10:03] does anyone else get that bug where Minecraft thinks a key is being held down? [10:04] Yes [10:05] much as I love Minecraft, I can't help wishing there was a non-Java version :) [10:08] there's a clone [10:08] Heh, the home office is being criticised for spending £300K on police.uk website with people suggesting that if they'd used the google maps api it would have been a lot cheaper === amanda99 is now known as amanda1999 [10:09] DJones: it's also not been working all morning due to being mentioned on the radio [10:09] dwatkins: I noticed that, every address I try doesn't exist [10:10] I wonder if they took it offline because they exceeded their ISP bandwidth allowance, DJones. [10:10] or maybe there's just no recorded crime [10:10] DJones: there is no crime [10:10] I know someone who works for the Met on their network side, he said it's a full-time job maintaining their firewalls, and that's just for the London constabularies. [10:11] There's plenty of people attempting to steal data of the police, clearly none of them are succeeding. [10:13] kazade: http://manicdigger.sourceforge.net/news/ [10:13] I'm not too sure about the benefit of the site, yes, you can look up an address to see if its a high crime area before you buy a house etc there, but does it also give criminals a target area, Oh, there's lots of burglaries in that area - They must have something worth stealing [10:14] or nothing left [10:15] or a police problem [10:15] I've never lived in a town without knowing what parts of town the money lived in (and didn't live in). this won't be news to that kinda person [10:15] popey, open source clone of popular game? how original! [10:15] :) [10:16] I reckon streetview is probably more useful to potential burglars [10:17] I just find it a little amusing that nerds are worried about open information ;) [10:18] they are? [10:29] DJones: I gather rightmove's website has allowed you to look up this data for a while now, directly with a SQL client. [10:29] dwatkins: Didn't know that, although saying that I've not been looking to move houses lately [10:30] DJones: a friend of mine selected his house using a SQL query based on distance from the station, crime rates, insurance rates etc. [10:30] :) [10:30] that must have been one hell of an sql query [10:32] indeed, Laney [10:33] dwatkins: linky? [10:34] screen-x: to what, sorry? [10:34] rightmove query interface :) [10:34] I'm just saying what I was told, screen-x [10:34] ok [10:34] old-skool, without URLs to back-uop my statements. [10:35] * screen-x would like to add some automation to the house selection process [10:36] screen-x: I imagine you could try just pointing your client at their site to see if you can connect, I don't know if things have changed since about 6 years ago, though. [10:43] must be the first of the month, time for my mailing lists to send that "you are still signed up!" message to me a thousand times [10:44] popey: have you increased the render time for the maps? [10:44] dunno why it didnt generate [10:44] running manually now [10:44] might be OOMing [10:44] K [10:46] gord: http://paste.debian.net/106205/ :-) [10:48] paste.debian.net appears to be the slowest thing on the planet [10:48] odd bigcalm , night just updated fine [10:48] wget -O /dev/null http://paste.debian.net/106205/ 0.01s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.903 total [10:49] popey: is the date wrong on your server? [10:49] no, why? [10:49] http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ [10:49] see date stamp [10:49] Yes, was the map created 40 mins ago? [10:49] yes [10:49] Ok then [10:50] night generates first, then day [10:50] note that night has updated [10:50] That's why there's only 1 block showing for my new work :) [10:50] When is the next generation? [10:50] its running now [10:50] they run one after the other [10:50] Constantly? [10:51] no, every 10 mins [10:51] Wow, lots of data to crunch [10:51] Ok [10:51] they run "nice -n19" [10:51] with how long it takes to generate those maps, thats almost constantly ;) [10:51] nah :) [10:51] the gmaps one is only once a day because that takes an hour or so first time, after that it's just changed blocks [10:51] oh right yeah you don't use the lighting option, that like triples the time, just looks way more pretty so i use it [10:52] note the time delta between current_day and current_night now [10:52] thats how long it takes :) [10:52] hmm, 5 mins per png [10:52] so yeah, almost constant [10:52] might change it to every hour [10:53] 30 mins :) [10:53] is that a forest fire? [10:53] 15! 10 minutes of rendering, 5 minutes to give it a rest [10:53] Aha, my work is showing. So much more to do [10:54] ohhh Oracle may not like this http://bit.ly/fNhj3s [10:55] right, running at 15 mins past now [10:55] popey: what's that sphere near a thing that looks like a pyramid volcano? [10:55] Myrtti: there are two forest fires [10:56] its gords floating house [10:56] theres no house :P [10:56] floating glass garden? [10:56] the glass sphere? [10:56] its a self contained biome! [10:56] what do you call it? [10:56] Floating green house [10:56] :) [10:56] i call it bob [10:56] or as i like to call it "something so i know where the damn spawn is" ;) [10:56] and someone has a house on stilts in the water, very cool :) [10:56] problem with mining on a multiplayer server: accidentally digging into someone's secret underground lair [10:57] might not be a lair === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem [10:57] morning all [10:58] i love the farm [10:58] is that your handywork next to the farm bigcalm ? [10:58] * DJones is still waiting for "Farmcraft" or "Mineville" to appear [10:58] oh, and loving the bridge supports [10:59] need to flood that island we dug up last night [10:59] yay for supports [10:59] That is not my work by the farm [11:00] i like how we have a great big map but all bunch up on Spawn Island [11:01] tempted to make that building on the left of spawn island my home [11:01] and re-route trains through it [11:01] its relatively safe there ;) [11:01] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [11:01] lies. i got eaten by a spider on spawn island! :( [11:01] you guys made a station + switching platform for your rails yet? thats always fun, feels like transport tycoon [11:02] not yet [11:02] I do like the idea of a more train-like experience [11:02] * davmor2 is seriously worried about czajkowski's health and state of mind [11:03] DJones: I still play Sim City 2000 occasionally ;) [11:04] i never liked 2k [11:04] i liked the original simcity [11:04] the snes port! [11:04] I'm tempted to get hold of Transport Tycoon the free version. [11:05] like this: apt-get install openttd? [11:05] Laney: it's that simple? wow [11:05] !info openttd [11:05] openttd (source: openttd): reimplementation of Transport Tycoon Deluxe with enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4-1 (maverick), package size 1619 kB, installed size 3940 kB [11:05] * dwatkins installs [11:05] needs data files from ttd [11:05] Something to keep me busy this evening, thanks Laney :D [11:06] ah, that was what I was expecting, directhex [11:06] i heard there was Free data these days [11:06] have a problem with ProFTPd on one server i can log in on another server i can not i have webmin installed on both and there both configured the same apart from one is 64 bit and one is 32bit same firewalls rules and proftpd is configured the same on both .... any ideas where to start... [11:06] !info openttd-data [11:06] openttd-data (source: openttd): common data files for the OpenTTD game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.4-1 (maverick), package size 2105 kB, installed size 6596 kB [11:06] Laney, really? [11:06] apparently [11:06] Laney, explains why it's not in multiverse [11:06] the maintainer is blathjis and hangs around in #d-devel, ask him! [11:07] is not there now though [11:07] (I met him once at a conference) [11:07] seems to start ok :) [11:07] something keeps wiping ipsec-tools.conf :( [11:13] * screen-x tries to read perl [11:17] my keyboard has a tux key [11:22] Does anybody have a link to the minimum hardware requirements for minecraft, doesn't seem easy to find on the website [11:23] davmor2: not long now my dear :) [11:23] DJones: lots [11:24] czajkowski: yeah looking forward to being able to pull faces at you and you see them ;) [11:24] czajkowski: stop with the my dear lark, i'm starting to thing your a nice lady *shiver* [11:24] popey: Can you send me one, I'm trying to decide if the machine at home will run it or not before I get to the point of buying it to see what all the hype is [11:25] davmor2: you need to keep her in check mate [11:25] MooDoo: I'm playing her at chess she cheats :D [11:25] davmor2: i'm starting to think she's nice :( [11:25] DJones: what spec is the pc? [11:26] DJones, have you seen screenshots? o_o [11:26] popey: P4 2.8Ghz/1.5Gb ram, Intel graphics with 128Mb ram [11:26] not sure intel gfx will cope [11:26] popey: That was what I was concerned about [11:27] what is that weird bubble thing next to the volcano? [11:27] the one in the sky or the one under water? [11:27] sky... [11:27] are they glass? [11:27] * popey points at gord [11:27] that's pretty cool [11:28] might have to take a look in a bit, must do some work though! [11:28] popey, you can see my base now :) [11:28] on the map? [11:28] I did burn the trees down, but not on purpose! [11:28] yeah [11:28] north of the fountain [11:28] i think technically north is down and left on the map render [11:29] ok, above the fountain then :) [11:29] clearing quite a space there [11:29] indeed :) [11:29] I was gonna build a pyramid, but I see someone already did that :/ [11:30] I'll just build a big fortress :p [11:30] we did that last night [11:30] loads of sandstone [11:30] the mistake I made was to start clearing/building below sea level [11:30] heh [11:30] I only noticed when I removed a block and got flooded [11:31] hence the wall.. [11:31] popey, how can the gfx not cope, it's software rendered isn't it? [11:33] gl [11:34] Jabber \o/ [11:34] Jabber \o/ [11:35] Is it just me or is the #egypt tag useless due to the number of people tweeting about the speech-to-voice posts from Egypt being posted to twitter with the #egypt tag? [11:43] is there a trick to making symlink folders [11:43] dogmatic69: not really, are you having an issue? [11:43] ye [11:43] keeps making a broken file [11:44] ln -s /path/to/real /path/to/link [11:44] i can do it in php :D [11:49] any hints? man has -d for folders but says it wont work [11:54] dogmatic69 what's broken? That's the normal way of doing it [11:54] directories are just another sort of file, after all.. [11:54] it was me, not using full path, but now noting [11:55] BigRedS: Disk /dev/sda: 998.9 GB, 998999326720 bytes [11:55] n1md4: :) [11:56] Some scary moments there, lots of 'it's fine to delete that, shouldn't have data loss!' [11:56] haha! I hate those "shouldn'ts" [11:56]