| chibihogoshino | slow day | 00:27 |
|---|---|---|
| cyberanger | heh, yeah | 00:28 |
| cyberanger | slow enough | 00:28 |
| chibihogoshino | hows the router going ? | 00:29 |
| cyberanger | routing | 00:30 |
| chibihogoshino | heh | 00:30 |
| cyberanger | management isn't simplified enough | 00:30 |
| cyberanger | and mesh is still up in the air | 00:31 |
| cyberanger | atm | 00:31 |
| chibihogoshino | you have to wait on that tho right ? | 00:32 |
| cyberanger | yeah | 00:32 |
| cyberanger | or support both, and insure stability in doing so | 00:32 |
| cyberanger | which I am not thinking as realistic atm | 00:32 |
| chibihogoshino | it would double what you have to do | 00:33 |
| cyberanger | maybe not double | 00:34 |
| cyberanger | could be less, could be more | 00:34 |
| cyberanger | and I fear more | 00:35 |
| cyberanger | due to the collision risks | 00:35 |
| wrst | cyberanger: you still around? | 00:35 |
| wrst | oh i need to look at the time :) | 00:35 |
| cyberanger | no, I left 31 seconds ago ;-) | 00:35 |
| cyberanger | what's up wrst | 00:36 |
| wrst | ha ha cyberanger have an issue here i have a laptop running xp painfully slow but virus scans show ok i'm wondering if i have hardware issues possibly memory, live cd and memtest? | 00:36 |
| cyberanger | sounds like a plan | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | maybe toss in removing xp | 00:37 |
| wrst | ok thought that kinda made sense :) | 00:37 |
| chibihogoshino | xp ? | 00:37 |
| wrst | well cyberanger if it were not for quickbooks required i would in a heartbeat, but don't think vbox would be a viable option for them | 00:37 |
| wrst | chibihogoshino: i know not very popular a very inferior OS ;) | 00:38 |
| cyberanger | well, if hardware is causing the instability, depending on the why, virtualbox might help | 00:38 |
| chibihogoshino | is xp in it now ? | 00:38 |
| wrst | well off i go to reboot .... | 00:39 |
| cyberanger | having to reboot suggests yes | 01:02 |
| chibihogoshino | i liked that show | 01:10 |
| cyberanger | what show? | 01:22 |
| elw | hey cyberranger, there was a chat a couple days ago about streaming pandora without a browser... could you backchannel me about that? | 01:45 |
| elw | blargh | 01:45 |
| wrst | hmm cyberanger just 512MB of ram doesn't help me didn't realize that | 01:47 |
| cyberanger | elw: all it was, was exodus_ms asked a question, disconnected right after | 01:48 |
| cyberanger | before a chance of an answer | 01:48 |
| cyberanger | wrst: that's low, worse for quicken | 01:49 |
| cyberanger | elw: the answer pretty much is no | 01:49 |
| cyberanger | they have a desktop application, uses adobe air | 01:49 |
| wrst | yeah cyberanger i agree that's going to be a lot/most/all of the deal | 01:49 |
| cyberanger | and home theater players, mobile apps, so on | 01:49 |
| cyberanger | that's about it | 01:50 |
| chibihogoshino | oh .. cyberanger reboot the show | 01:51 |
| cyberanger | ah, lol | 01:51 |
| === vychune_away is now known as vychune | ||
| chibihogoshino | yay xfce4.8 | 03:37 |
| chibihogoshino | samba in thunar is faster than nautilus | 03:43 |
| orangeninja | hello to anyone that might be here...... | 04:07 |
| chris4585 | wrst, looks like unity got some visual updates or something | 04:28 |
| orangeninja | hey chris | 04:43 |
| chris4585 | hey orangeninja | 05:07 |
| orangeninja | hey chris | 05:17 |
| orangeninja | was gone for a few | 05:17 |
| elw | ... | 05:28 |
| orangeninja | everybody is asleep but us I guess.... where I need to be. | 05:29 |
| === elw is now known as elijah-mbp | ||
| wrst | netritious: you are up bright and early | 12:37 |
| netritious | hey wrst, yeah been up since 4 or so | 12:39 |
| wrst | you sick? :) | 12:40 |
| netritious | lol no why | 12:41 |
| wrst | that's mighty early | 12:41 |
| netritious | wnet to bed at 10, read for a while, passed out, woke up at 4 somehow | 12:41 |
| netritious | *went | 12:41 |
| wrst | oh man, i never get up at 4 | 12:42 |
| wrst | thankfully | 12:42 |
| wrst | ohter tahn a few times it has been required of me and I don't like it one bit :) | 12:42 |
| netritious | I'm ok with it...gives me a head start on the day | 12:42 |
| wrst | yeah i get up a little after 5 every day and that gives me fits :) | 12:44 |
| wrst | i would want to go to bed about 8:30 i guess if i got up at 4 | 12:44 |
| wrst | hey chris4585 | 14:59 |
| wrst | they have made some nice little changes | 14:59 |
| Svpernova09 | netritious: the 3 part business plan. Dan and I started on part 1. open source project :_X | 15:02 |
| chris4585 | wrst, last night I couldn't see them for some reason, virtualbox only likes to boot correctly every few hours it seems lol | 15:02 |
| wrst | yeah same on a hard install also chris4585, still some xorg stuff that's a little whacked i think | 15:03 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: nice :) | 15:03 |
| netritious | what's your project? I'm thinking the hacker space, but... lol | 15:04 |
| Svpernova09 | you're not far off... | 15:04 |
| Svpernova09 | http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-management-system/ | 15:04 |
| netritious | nice | 15:05 |
| Svpernova09 | The goal is to be a drop in system for new hackerspaces to get off the ground to track members, financials, export stuff to their website/email lists, etc | 15:05 |
| Svpernova09 | One of the guys from makers local in hunstville is working on it with us. | 15:05 |
| netritious | that's cool | 15:06 |
| netritious | Svpernova09: lamp stack? | 15:07 |
| Svpernova09 | lamp + cakephp framework | 15:07 |
| Svpernova09 | we're just going to provide the site though. | 15:07 |
| Svpernova09 | I'm thinking once we get a release I can build a deb package for it | 15:07 |
| Svpernova09 | That'll be something else to learn. | 15:08 |
| netritious | learning keeps linux fun (most of the time) | 15:12 |
| cyberanger | the rest of the time is made up by ham radio's fun | 15:13 |
| cyberanger | or the gun range | 15:13 |
| netritious | heh whatever tickles your fancy cyberanger :) | 15:14 |
| netritious | how's it going cyberanger | 15:14 |
| cyberanger | oh, fairly well, part of me wants to get some work out of the way | 15:14 |
| cyberanger | the other part wants to rock climb | 15:14 |
| netritious | I hear ya | 15:15 |
| cyberanger | the day isn't ideal for a climb, not too bad though | 15:18 |
| cyberanger | as for work, it's work | 15:18 |
| cyberanger | not against it, but not rooting for it either | 15:19 |
| cyberanger | netritious: how about you | 15:23 |
| * cyberanger heads for some advil, relieve myself from this bloddy headache | 15:23 | |
| netritious | doing well | 15:23 |
| netritious | been using screen a bit lately | 15:23 |
| netritious | borrowed an upstart script for node.js off the web that didn't work, fixed it, and now node.js instances run as an upstart job and as www-data instead of root | 15:25 |
| netritious | so can start up with the system | 15:25 |
| netritious | and shut down gracefully with reboots/shutdowns | 15:25 |
| cyberanger | cool | 15:25 |
| cyberanger | and I thought you were already using screen | 15:26 |
| netritious | I have been, but got into it more with lucid | 15:26 |
| netritious | splitting screen vertical and horizontal rocks | 15:26 |
| cyberanger | ah | 15:26 |
| cyberanger | I forgot that wasn't as flawless in the older versions | 15:27 |
| netritious | yeah | 15:27 |
| netritious | I'm still stuck in hardy land for a bit | 15:27 |
| netritious | but not much longer | 15:27 |
| cyberanger | hardy shouldn't be too bad | 15:27 |
| netritious | it's not | 15:27 |
| cyberanger | I think it had that support in it too | 15:27 |
| netritious | just lacks some new features I want to use | 15:27 |
| netritious | rather packages are more current | 15:28 |
| netritious | so I get to use new features of the lucid packages that aren't available in hardy without building it from source yourself or using some unknown repo | 15:28 |
| cyberanger | and grub2's rewrite, massive changes between bind9 versions | 15:29 |
| cyberanger | and I think apache as well | 15:29 |
| netritious | grub2 bothers me less | 15:29 |
| netritious | I've become accustomed to it now, although I still think that grub (1) is better | 15:29 |
| cyberanger | well, toss in the added features and support, hard to say | 15:30 |
| cyberanger | but I'm just pointing out, securtiy patches and feature patches | 15:34 |
| cyberanger | if you can switch, it'd probally help | 15:34 |
| netritious | agreed | 15:35 |
| cyberanger | more updates to the mirror, seems my cron entry is off | 15:36 |
| cyberanger | oh | 15:36 |
| * cyberanger feels dumb | 15:37 | |
| cyberanger | including "read" does explain it | 15:37 |
| cyberanger | I used my interactive script, not my automated one | 15:37 |
| cyberanger | it's actually staying at a reasonable size, roughly 120GB | 15:38 |
| cyberanger | my hope is with this, build a machine for some installfests | 15:43 |
| netritious | that's a good idea cyberanger | 15:45 |
| netritious | ah, here it is...took me a sec to find it... | 15:45 |
| netritious | sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_HIDDEN/\#GRUB_HIDDEN/g' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub | 15:45 |
| netritious | one of the first things I do with lucid | 15:45 |
| cyberanger | why? | 15:48 |
| netritious | otherwise I end up having to repair from a live cd/usb drive instead of being able to boot in single user mode right on the machine itself when I fubar things or forget my passwd | 15:48 |
| netritious | I read somewhere that holding shift works but it doesn't for me | 15:48 |
| cyberanger | I've not had todo that, hrm | 15:49 |
| netritious | *holding shift works to show the grub menu despite the hidden attributes | 15:49 |
| netritious | ^^is what I recall reading, but not sure about the source atm, either way it doesn't work | 15:50 |
| cyberanger | ah, that's probally esc then | 15:50 |
| netritious | so hold esc and I get grub menu, even if hidden is true? | 15:51 |
| cyberanger | believe so | 15:51 |
| netritious | will give that a go | 15:52 |
| cyberanger | not 100% sure, with the hidden bit | 15:52 |
| cyberanger | but that sounds like it | 15:52 |
| * cyberanger hasn't had an issue with grub2 that can't be explained by my actions | 15:53 | |
| cyberanger | kinda like a "why won't the car start?" "oh, stupid, I left out the spark plugs" | 15:54 |
| netritious | it's been worse for me | 15:54 |
| netritious | not with grub though, just grub2 | 15:54 |
| netritious | it may not be grub2, but ubuntu, or plymouth, or whatever ...I'm not 100% certain, but hardy installs on anything just fine no hassles, in about any configuration I can think of, with little to no fuss, old and new computers | 15:56 |
| netritious | lucid and grub2 refused to cooperate with me on a dual PIII socket 370 supermicro EATX server motherboard | 15:57 |
| wrst | netritious: you are adding to me theory, grub2 sucks | 15:58 |
| netritious | and nothing I tried (I was pretty exhaustive) worked to get it booting...spent a couple of days trying too | 15:59 |
| * wrst prepares for cyberanger to admonish me | 15:59 | |
| cyberanger | netritious: and that's where I stand on it, each distro doing their old tweaks, and so much changs at once | 15:59 |
| cyberanger | hal, plymouth, pulseaudio | 15:59 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i may install grub2 in arch to see what happens and check that out :) | 16:00 |
| cyberanger | too dynamic to be sure of what and why | 16:00 |
| cyberanger | but it's clearly there | 16:00 |
| netritious | grub2 <em>works</em> just a whole lot different than grub | 16:01 |
| cyberanger | wrst: why not, it's worth a try | 16:01 |
| cyberanger | netritious: and they timed alot of changes in the same timeframe too | 16:01 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i may but i do like my computer to boot :) | 16:01 |
| wrst | but when grub2 is working like it should it really will be good | 16:02 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you left out *into linux ;-) | 16:02 |
| wrst | :) | 16:03 |
| netritious | brb | 16:03 |
| wrst | well cyberanger we won't see him for a few weeks | 16:04 |
| cyberanger | ouch | 16:04 |
| wrst | his brb's are always a week or two apart :) | 16:04 |
| cyberanger | yes, but seeing it in print... | 16:05 |
| * cyberanger can't wait for hulu on android | 16:06 | |
| wrst | really? wow that will be nice cyberanger | 16:07 |
| cyberanger | I think hulu plus will justify it's price then | 16:07 |
| cyberanger | however I wish they worked with boxee | 16:07 |
| cyberanger | less than 10 bucks | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | a month | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | cbs.com is free | 16:08 |
| cyberanger | but not mobile | 16:08 |
| wrst | who needs a tv? :) | 16:11 |
| cyberanger | less than 25 for NHL center ice | 16:11 |
| cyberanger | exactly | 16:11 |
| cyberanger | the idea of cable tv packages is going away | 16:11 |
| wrst | yes | 16:13 |
| cyberanger | I can't wait for the day when you buy a tv channel and use it on an iptv system | 16:14 |
| cyberanger | boxee, roku, so on | 16:14 |
| cyberanger | the issue is convincing the companies that will lose profit that they'd lose less supporting this model | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | by bringing higher speed internet, and lower cost service | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | more speed tiers | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | less bandwidth caps (read, no caps, or extremely large caps) | 16:17 |
| cyberanger | true network neutrality, where bittorrent isn't throttled | 16:18 |
| cyberanger | which can help the dristubition method, grab new shows that way overnight, for the next day | 16:19 |
| cyberanger | Pioneer One being a show on no channel, the viewers pay, without watching an add | 16:19 |
| cyberanger | distrubited via bittorrent | 16:27 |
| cyberanger | wrst: this week really flew by ;-) | 16:45 |
| cyberanger | right netritious ? ;-) | 16:45 |
| netritious | uhm it's still this week? :) | 16:46 |
| orias | cyberanger: I agree | 16:47 |
| wrst | ha ha | 16:47 |
| wrst | yeah | 16:47 |
| wrst | netritious: i predicted it would be two weeks before you rejoined us after your brb :) | 16:47 |
| netritious | :P | 16:48 |
| netritious | I had to plugin to the battery backup | 16:48 |
| netritious | it's thundering outside | 16:48 |
| netritious | haven't lost power yet, but never know in this town with that weather | 16:48 |
| cyberanger | netritious: not pleasent here, not that bad yet though | 16:49 |
| wrst | netritious: really windy here but looks like we got that to look forward to | 16:50 |
| netritious | wife called and said there was a bad one coming this morning | 16:51 |
| netritious | rain and snow are fine, but ice and thunder can (has) shut everything down anywhere from a few seconds to a few days | 16:53 |
| netritious | in '94 there was an ice storm around these parts and metro memphis took a week to get power back on, two weeks in some places | 16:54 |
| netritious | Desoto County (Northern MS) power companies were a little quicker, but only by a day or so | 16:54 |
| cyberanger | yeah, and I've not re-equiped for that scale an issue yet | 16:55 |
| cyberanger | but luckily, I'm near a high priority area | 16:55 |
| cyberanger | I'm just not on the exact same grid, but they'll need to get my grid up too, as we're the backup grid | 16:57 |
| netritious | I bought a generator but haven't had to use it yet | 16:57 |
| netritious | I keep it primed though | 16:57 |
| cyberanger | I'd like to get a battery backup, and a generator and solar power options | 16:58 |
| cyberanger | thing is, how are you going to stay online if the lines fail netritious ? | 16:59 |
| netritious | why I use two locations | 16:59 |
| netritious | and computers I can load in my car and transport 3 miles, that is if I'm lucky :) | 17:00 |
| netritious | around here I'm mostly worried about tornados | 17:00 |
| cyberanger | are both witin the same area | 17:00 |
| netritious | which travel east to west, and the shop is about 1.5 miles northeast | 17:01 |
| netritious | yes | 17:01 |
| netritious | nothing I can do about that yet | 17:01 |
| cyberanger | well, to a point, you can | 17:01 |
| cyberanger | but yeah, cost | 17:01 |
| netritious | hence the yet :) | 17:02 |
| cyberanger | I'd like to build two mobile rigs | 17:03 |
| cyberanger | house the servers in a pickup bed with a cap | 17:03 |
| cyberanger | shutdown before an issue (routing to the secondary rig) | 17:04 |
| cyberanger | and drive | 17:04 |
| wrst | netritious: i think if a tornado hits the memphis area that's a reasonable excuse for down time | 17:04 |
| netritious | cyberanger: it's already enough work as it is lol | 17:04 |
| netritious | wrst: yesh I mean what are you going to do | 17:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst: it is, and yet, if your the guy that has zero downtime, more for you | 17:04 |
| cyberanger | netritious: that part is easy | 17:05 |
| wrst | yeah tornados not so easy to stop :) | 17:05 |
| netritious | if you want complete redundancy use Amazon AWS, but along with that comes a great deal of complexity | 17:05 |
| netritious | maybe as much as say having your own redundant network | 17:05 |
| cyberanger | nothing to say it couldn't be done | 17:07 |
| netritious | on that topic, I think it's neat that you can migrate images from Ubuntu UEC to Amazon...I haven't actually tried it yet, but if things go according to plan then I might actually have the equipment to try it | 17:08 |
| netritious | *images=vm's | 17:09 |
| wrst | cool netritious | 17:09 |
| netritious | there are quite a few "cloud" projects around now based on AWS... | 17:11 |
| netritious | have you guys seen http://cloud.com ? | 17:11 |
| cyberanger | netritious: nope | 17:12 |
| wrst | that's neat looking | 17:14 |
| netritious | written in java | 17:21 |
| netritious | I'm not a huge fan myself, but I know quite a few people that love it | 17:22 |
| cyberanger | same here netritious | 17:41 |
| cyberanger | it has it's benifits, but you know, shooting your foot to avoid war has benifits too, it still hurts like hell | 17:41 |
| netritious | lol | 18:06 |
| cyberanger | watching last nights episode of chuck "Mom, when we get back, we need to have a serious talk about the benifits of tranq guns" | 18:16 |
| cyberanger | that's gotta be one of the best lines ever | 18:16 |
| === Worldspice_Will is now known as ZenAdm1n | ||
| cyberanger | rain really coming down now | 22:36 |
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