[00:27] slow day [00:28] heh, yeah [00:28] slow enough [00:29] hows the router going ? [00:30] routing [00:30] heh [00:30] management isn't simplified enough [00:31] and mesh is still up in the air [00:31] atm [00:32] you have to wait on that tho right ? [00:32] yeah [00:32] or support both, and insure stability in doing so [00:32] which I am not thinking as realistic atm [00:33] it would double what you have to do [00:34] maybe not double [00:34] could be less, could be more [00:35] and I fear more [00:35] due to the collision risks [00:35] cyberanger: you still around? [00:35] oh i need to look at the time :) [00:35] no, I left 31 seconds ago ;-) [00:36] what's up wrst [00:36] ha ha cyberanger have an issue here i have a laptop running xp painfully slow but virus scans show ok i'm wondering if i have hardware issues possibly memory, live cd and memtest? [00:37] sounds like a plan [00:37] maybe toss in removing xp [00:37] ok thought that kinda made sense :) [00:37] xp ? [00:37] well cyberanger if it were not for quickbooks required i would in a heartbeat, but don't think vbox would be a viable option for them [00:38] chibihogoshino: i know not very popular a very inferior OS ;) [00:38] well, if hardware is causing the instability, depending on the why, virtualbox might help [00:38] is xp in it now ? [00:39] well off i go to reboot .... [01:02] having to reboot suggests yes [01:10] i liked that show [01:22] what show? [01:45] hey cyberranger, there was a chat a couple days ago about streaming pandora without a browser... could you backchannel me about that? [01:45] blargh [01:47] hmm cyberanger just 512MB of ram doesn't help me didn't realize that [01:48] elw: all it was, was exodus_ms asked a question, disconnected right after [01:48] before a chance of an answer [01:49] wrst: that's low, worse for quicken [01:49] elw: the answer pretty much is no [01:49] they have a desktop application, uses adobe air [01:49] yeah cyberanger i agree that's going to be a lot/most/all of the deal [01:49] and home theater players, mobile apps, so on [01:50] that's about it [01:51] oh .. cyberanger reboot the show [01:51] ah, lol === vychune_away is now known as vychune [03:37] yay xfce4.8 [03:43] samba in thunar is faster than nautilus [04:07] hello to anyone that might be here...... [04:28] wrst, looks like unity got some visual updates or something [04:43] hey chris [05:07] hey orangeninja [05:17] hey chris [05:17] was gone for a few [05:28] ... [05:29] everybody is asleep but us I guess.... where I need to be. === elw is now known as elijah-mbp [12:37] netritious: you are up bright and early [12:39] hey wrst, yeah been up since 4 or so [12:40] you sick? :) [12:41] lol no why [12:41] that's mighty early [12:41] wnet to bed at 10, read for a while, passed out, woke up at 4 somehow [12:41] *went [12:42] oh man, i never get up at 4 [12:42] thankfully [12:42] ohter tahn a few times it has been required of me and I don't like it one bit :) [12:42] I'm ok with it...gives me a head start on the day [12:44] yeah i get up a little after 5 every day and that gives me fits :) [12:44] i would want to go to bed about 8:30 i guess if i got up at 4 [14:59] hey chris4585 [14:59] they have made some nice little changes [15:02] netritious: the 3 part business plan. Dan and I started on part 1. open source project :_X [15:02] wrst, last night I couldn't see them for some reason, virtualbox only likes to boot correctly every few hours it seems lol [15:03] yeah same on a hard install also chris4585, still some xorg stuff that's a little whacked i think [15:03] Svpernova09: nice :) [15:04] what's your project? I'm thinking the hacker space, but... lol [15:04] you're not far off... [15:04] http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-management-system/ [15:05] nice [15:05] The goal is to be a drop in system for new hackerspaces to get off the ground to track members, financials, export stuff to their website/email lists, etc [15:05] One of the guys from makers local in hunstville is working on it with us. [15:06] that's cool [15:07] Svpernova09: lamp stack? [15:07] lamp + cakephp framework [15:07] we're just going to provide the site though. [15:07] I'm thinking once we get a release I can build a deb package for it [15:08] That'll be something else to learn. [15:12] learning keeps linux fun (most of the time) [15:13] the rest of the time is made up by ham radio's fun [15:13] or the gun range [15:14] heh whatever tickles your fancy cyberanger :) [15:14] how's it going cyberanger [15:14] oh, fairly well, part of me wants to get some work out of the way [15:14] the other part wants to rock climb [15:15] I hear ya [15:18] the day isn't ideal for a climb, not too bad though [15:18] as for work, it's work [15:19] not against it, but not rooting for it either [15:23] netritious: how about you [15:23] * cyberanger heads for some advil, relieve myself from this bloddy headache [15:23] doing well [15:23] been using screen a bit lately [15:25] borrowed an upstart script for node.js off the web that didn't work, fixed it, and now node.js instances run as an upstart job and as www-data instead of root [15:25] so can start up with the system [15:25] and shut down gracefully with reboots/shutdowns [15:25] cool [15:26] and I thought you were already using screen [15:26] I have been, but got into it more with lucid [15:26] splitting screen vertical and horizontal rocks [15:26] ah [15:27] I forgot that wasn't as flawless in the older versions [15:27] yeah [15:27] I'm still stuck in hardy land for a bit [15:27] but not much longer [15:27] hardy shouldn't be too bad [15:27] it's not [15:27] I think it had that support in it too [15:27] just lacks some new features I want to use [15:28] rather packages are more current [15:28] so I get to use new features of the lucid packages that aren't available in hardy without building it from source yourself or using some unknown repo [15:29] and grub2's rewrite, massive changes between bind9 versions [15:29] and I think apache as well [15:29] grub2 bothers me less [15:29] I've become accustomed to it now, although I still think that grub (1) is better [15:30] well, toss in the added features and support, hard to say [15:34] but I'm just pointing out, securtiy patches and feature patches [15:34] if you can switch, it'd probally help [15:35] agreed [15:36] more updates to the mirror, seems my cron entry is off [15:36] oh [15:37] * cyberanger feels dumb [15:37] including "read" does explain it [15:37] I used my interactive script, not my automated one [15:38] it's actually staying at a reasonable size, roughly 120GB [15:43] my hope is with this, build a machine for some installfests [15:45] that's a good idea cyberanger [15:45] ah, here it is...took me a sec to find it... [15:45] sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_HIDDEN/\#GRUB_HIDDEN/g' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub [15:45] one of the first things I do with lucid [15:48] why? [15:48] otherwise I end up having to repair from a live cd/usb drive instead of being able to boot in single user mode right on the machine itself when I fubar things or forget my passwd [15:48] I read somewhere that holding shift works but it doesn't for me [15:49] I've not had todo that, hrm [15:49] *holding shift works to show the grub menu despite the hidden attributes [15:50] ^^is what I recall reading, but not sure about the source atm, either way it doesn't work [15:50] ah, that's probally esc then [15:51] so hold esc and I get grub menu, even if hidden is true? [15:51] believe so [15:52] will give that a go [15:52] not 100% sure, with the hidden bit [15:52] but that sounds like it [15:53] * cyberanger hasn't had an issue with grub2 that can't be explained by my actions [15:54] kinda like a "why won't the car start?" "oh, stupid, I left out the spark plugs" [15:54] it's been worse for me [15:54] not with grub though, just grub2 [15:56] it may not be grub2, but ubuntu, or plymouth, or whatever ...I'm not 100% certain, but hardy installs on anything just fine no hassles, in about any configuration I can think of, with little to no fuss, old and new computers [15:57] lucid and grub2 refused to cooperate with me on a dual PIII socket 370 supermicro EATX server motherboard [15:58] netritious: you are adding to me theory, grub2 sucks [15:59] and nothing I tried (I was pretty exhaustive) worked to get it booting...spent a couple of days trying too [15:59] * wrst prepares for cyberanger to admonish me [15:59] netritious: and that's where I stand on it, each distro doing their old tweaks, and so much changs at once [15:59] hal, plymouth, pulseaudio [16:00] cyberanger: i may install grub2 in arch to see what happens and check that out :) [16:00] too dynamic to be sure of what and why [16:00] but it's clearly there [16:01] grub2 works just a whole lot different than grub [16:01] wrst: why not, it's worth a try [16:01] netritious: and they timed alot of changes in the same timeframe too [16:01] cyberanger: i may but i do like my computer to boot :) [16:02] but when grub2 is working like it should it really will be good [16:02] wrst: you left out *into linux ;-) [16:03] :) [16:03] brb [16:04] well cyberanger we won't see him for a few weeks [16:04] ouch [16:04] his brb's are always a week or two apart :) [16:05] yes, but seeing it in print... [16:06] * cyberanger can't wait for hulu on android [16:07] really? wow that will be nice cyberanger [16:07] I think hulu plus will justify it's price then [16:07] however I wish they worked with boxee [16:08] less than 10 bucks [16:08] a month [16:08] cbs.com is free [16:08] but not mobile [16:11] who needs a tv? :) [16:11] less than 25 for NHL center ice [16:11] exactly [16:11] the idea of cable tv packages is going away [16:13] yes [16:14] I can't wait for the day when you buy a tv channel and use it on an iptv system [16:14] boxee, roku, so on [16:17] the issue is convincing the companies that will lose profit that they'd lose less supporting this model [16:17] by bringing higher speed internet, and lower cost service [16:17] more speed tiers [16:17] less bandwidth caps (read, no caps, or extremely large caps) [16:18] true network neutrality, where bittorrent isn't throttled [16:19] which can help the dristubition method, grab new shows that way overnight, for the next day [16:19] Pioneer One being a show on no channel, the viewers pay, without watching an add [16:27] distrubited via bittorrent [16:45] wrst: this week really flew by ;-) [16:45] right netritious ? ;-) [16:46] uhm it's still this week? :) [16:47] cyberanger: I agree [16:47] ha ha [16:47] yeah [16:47] netritious: i predicted it would be two weeks before you rejoined us after your brb :) [16:48] :P [16:48] I had to plugin to the battery backup [16:48] it's thundering outside [16:48] haven't lost power yet, but never know in this town with that weather [16:49] netritious: not pleasent here, not that bad yet though [16:50] netritious: really windy here but looks like we got that to look forward to [16:51] wife called and said there was a bad one coming this morning [16:53] rain and snow are fine, but ice and thunder can (has) shut everything down anywhere from a few seconds to a few days [16:54] in '94 there was an ice storm around these parts and metro memphis took a week to get power back on, two weeks in some places [16:54] Desoto County (Northern MS) power companies were a little quicker, but only by a day or so [16:55] yeah, and I've not re-equiped for that scale an issue yet [16:55] but luckily, I'm near a high priority area [16:57] I'm just not on the exact same grid, but they'll need to get my grid up too, as we're the backup grid [16:57] I bought a generator but haven't had to use it yet [16:57] I keep it primed though [16:58] I'd like to get a battery backup, and a generator and solar power options [16:59] thing is, how are you going to stay online if the lines fail netritious ? [16:59] why I use two locations [17:00] and computers I can load in my car and transport 3 miles, that is if I'm lucky :) [17:00] around here I'm mostly worried about tornados [17:00] are both witin the same area [17:01] which travel east to west, and the shop is about 1.5 miles northeast [17:01] yes [17:01] nothing I can do about that yet [17:01] well, to a point, you can [17:01] but yeah, cost [17:02] hence the yet :) [17:03] I'd like to build two mobile rigs [17:03] house the servers in a pickup bed with a cap [17:04] shutdown before an issue (routing to the secondary rig) [17:04] and drive [17:04] netritious: i think if a tornado hits the memphis area that's a reasonable excuse for down time [17:04] cyberanger: it's already enough work as it is lol [17:04] wrst: yesh I mean what are you going to do [17:04] wrst: it is, and yet, if your the guy that has zero downtime, more for you [17:05] netritious: that part is easy [17:05] yeah tornados not so easy to stop :) [17:05] if you want complete redundancy use Amazon AWS, but along with that comes a great deal of complexity [17:05] maybe as much as say having your own redundant network [17:07] nothing to say it couldn't be done [17:08] on that topic, I think it's neat that you can migrate images from Ubuntu UEC to Amazon...I haven't actually tried it yet, but if things go according to plan then I might actually have the equipment to try it [17:09] *images=vm's [17:09] cool netritious [17:11] there are quite a few "cloud" projects around now based on AWS... [17:11] have you guys seen http://cloud.com ? [17:12] netritious: nope [17:14] that's neat looking [17:21] written in java [17:22] I'm not a huge fan myself, but I know quite a few people that love it [17:41] same here netritious [17:41] it has it's benifits, but you know, shooting your foot to avoid war has benifits too, it still hurts like hell [18:06] lol [18:16] watching last nights episode of chuck "Mom, when we get back, we need to have a serious talk about the benifits of tranq guns" [18:16] that's gotta be one of the best lines ever === Worldspice_Will is now known as ZenAdm1n [22:36] rain really coming down now