[00:27] <chibihogoshino> slow day
[00:28] <cyberanger> heh, yeah
[00:28] <cyberanger> slow enough
[00:29] <chibihogoshino> hows the router going ?
[00:30] <cyberanger> routing
[00:30] <chibihogoshino> heh
[00:30] <cyberanger> management isn't simplified enough
[00:31] <cyberanger> and mesh is still up in the air
[00:31] <cyberanger> atm
[00:32] <chibihogoshino> you have to wait on that tho right ?
[00:32] <cyberanger> yeah
[00:32] <cyberanger> or support both, and insure stability in doing so
[00:32] <cyberanger> which I am not thinking as realistic atm
[00:33] <chibihogoshino> it would double what you have to do
[00:34] <cyberanger> maybe not double
[00:34] <cyberanger> could be less, could be more
[00:35] <cyberanger> and I fear more
[00:35] <cyberanger> due to the collision risks
[00:35] <wrst> cyberanger: you still around?
[00:35] <wrst> oh i need to look at the time :)
[00:35] <cyberanger> no, I left 31 seconds ago ;-)
[00:36] <cyberanger> what's up wrst
[00:36] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger have an issue here i have a laptop running xp painfully slow but virus scans show ok i'm wondering if i have hardware issues possibly memory, live cd and memtest?
[00:37] <cyberanger> sounds like a plan
[00:37] <cyberanger> maybe toss in removing xp
[00:37] <wrst> ok thought that kinda made sense :)
[00:37] <chibihogoshino> xp  ?
[00:37] <wrst> well cyberanger if it were not for quickbooks required i would in a heartbeat, but don't think vbox would be a viable option for them
[00:38] <wrst> chibihogoshino: i know not very popular a very inferior OS ;)
[00:38] <cyberanger> well, if hardware is causing the instability, depending on the why, virtualbox might help
[00:38] <chibihogoshino> is xp in it now ?
[00:39] <wrst> well off i go to reboot ....
[01:02] <cyberanger> having to reboot suggests yes
[01:10] <chibihogoshino> i liked that show
[01:22] <cyberanger> what show?
[01:45] <elw> hey cyberranger, there was a chat a couple days ago about streaming pandora without a browser... could you backchannel me about that?
[01:45] <elw> blargh
[01:47] <wrst> hmm cyberanger just 512MB of ram doesn't help me didn't realize that
[01:48] <cyberanger> elw: all it was, was exodus_ms asked a question, disconnected right after
[01:48] <cyberanger> before a chance of an answer
[01:49] <cyberanger> wrst: that's low, worse for quicken
[01:49] <cyberanger> elw: the answer pretty much is no
[01:49] <cyberanger> they have a desktop application, uses adobe air
[01:49] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i agree that's going to be a lot/most/all of the deal
[01:49] <cyberanger> and home theater players, mobile apps, so on
[01:50] <cyberanger> that's about it
[01:51] <chibihogoshino> oh .. cyberanger reboot the show
[01:51] <cyberanger> ah, lol
[03:37] <chibihogoshino> yay xfce4.8
[03:43] <chibihogoshino> samba in thunar is faster than nautilus
[04:07] <orangeninja> hello to anyone that might be here......
[04:28] <chris4585> wrst, looks like unity got some visual updates or something
[04:43] <orangeninja> hey chris
[05:07] <chris4585> hey orangeninja
[05:17] <orangeninja> hey chris
[05:17] <orangeninja> was gone for a few
[05:28] <elw> ...
[05:29] <orangeninja> everybody is asleep but us I guess.... where I need to be.
[12:37] <wrst> netritious: you are up bright and early
[12:39] <netritious> hey wrst, yeah been up since 4 or so
[12:40] <wrst> you sick? :)
[12:41] <netritious> lol no why
[12:41] <wrst> that's mighty early
[12:41] <netritious> wnet to bed at 10, read for a while, passed out, woke up at 4 somehow
[12:41] <netritious> *went
[12:42] <wrst> oh man, i never get up at 4
[12:42] <wrst> thankfully
[12:42] <wrst> ohter tahn a few times it has been required of me and I don't like it one bit :)
[12:42] <netritious> I'm ok with it...gives me a head start on the day
[12:44] <wrst> yeah i get up a little after 5 every day and that gives me fits :)
[12:44] <wrst> i would want to go to bed about 8:30 i guess if i got up at 4
[14:59] <wrst> hey chris4585
[14:59] <wrst> they have made some nice little changes
[15:02] <Svpernova09> netritious: the 3 part business plan. Dan and I started on part 1. open source project :_X
[15:02] <chris4585> wrst, last night I couldn't see them for some reason, virtualbox only likes to boot correctly every few hours it seems lol
[15:03] <wrst> yeah same on a hard install also chris4585, still some xorg stuff that's a little whacked i think
[15:03] <netritious> Svpernova09: nice :)
[15:04] <netritious> what's your project? I'm thinking the hacker space, but... lol
[15:04] <Svpernova09> you're not far off...
[15:04] <Svpernova09> http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-management-system/
[15:05] <netritious> nice
[15:05] <Svpernova09> The goal is to be a drop in system for new hackerspaces to get off the ground to track members, financials, export stuff to their website/email lists, etc
[15:05] <Svpernova09> One of the guys from makers local in hunstville is working on it with us.
[15:06] <netritious> that's cool
[15:07] <netritious> Svpernova09: lamp stack?
[15:07] <Svpernova09> lamp + cakephp framework
[15:07] <Svpernova09> we're just going to provide the site though.
[15:07] <Svpernova09> I'm thinking once we get a release I can build a deb package for it
[15:08] <Svpernova09> That'll be something else to learn.
[15:12] <netritious> learning keeps linux fun (most of the time)
[15:13] <cyberanger> the rest of the time is made up by ham radio's fun
[15:13] <cyberanger> or the gun range
[15:14] <netritious> heh whatever tickles your fancy cyberanger :)
[15:14] <netritious> how's it going cyberanger
[15:14] <cyberanger> oh, fairly well, part of me wants to get some work out of the way
[15:14] <cyberanger> the other part wants to rock climb
[15:15] <netritious> I hear ya
[15:18] <cyberanger> the day isn't ideal for a climb, not too bad though
[15:18] <cyberanger> as for work, it's work
[15:19] <cyberanger> not against it, but not rooting for it either
[15:23] <cyberanger> netritious: how about you
[15:23]  * cyberanger heads for some advil, relieve myself from this bloddy headache
[15:23] <netritious> doing well
[15:23] <netritious> been using screen a bit lately
[15:25] <netritious> borrowed an upstart script for node.js off the web that didn't work, fixed it, and now node.js instances run as an upstart job and as www-data instead of root
[15:25] <netritious> so can start up with the system
[15:25] <netritious> and shut down gracefully with reboots/shutdowns
[15:25] <cyberanger> cool
[15:26] <cyberanger> and I thought you were already using screen
[15:26] <netritious> I have been, but got into it more with lucid
[15:26] <netritious> splitting screen vertical and horizontal rocks
[15:26] <cyberanger> ah
[15:27] <cyberanger> I forgot that wasn't as flawless in the older versions
[15:27] <netritious> yeah
[15:27] <netritious> I'm still stuck in hardy land for a bit
[15:27] <netritious> but not much longer
[15:27] <cyberanger> hardy shouldn't be too bad
[15:27] <netritious> it's not
[15:27] <cyberanger> I think it had that support in it too
[15:27] <netritious> just lacks some new features I want to use
[15:28] <netritious> rather packages are more current
[15:28] <netritious> so I get to use new features of the lucid packages that aren't available in hardy without building it from source yourself or using some unknown repo
[15:29] <cyberanger> and grub2's rewrite, massive changes between bind9 versions
[15:29] <cyberanger> and I think apache as well
[15:29] <netritious> grub2 bothers me less
[15:29] <netritious> I've become accustomed to it now, although I still think that grub (1) is better
[15:30] <cyberanger> well, toss in the added features and support, hard to say
[15:34] <cyberanger> but I'm just pointing out, securtiy patches and feature patches
[15:34] <cyberanger> if you can switch, it'd probally help
[15:35] <netritious> agreed
[15:36] <cyberanger> more updates to the mirror, seems my cron entry is off
[15:36] <cyberanger> oh
[15:37]  * cyberanger feels dumb
[15:37] <cyberanger> including "read" does explain it
[15:37] <cyberanger> I used my interactive script, not my automated one
[15:38] <cyberanger> it's actually staying at a reasonable size, roughly 120GB
[15:43] <cyberanger> my hope is with this, build a machine for some installfests
[15:45] <netritious> that's a good idea cyberanger
[15:45] <netritious> ah, here it is...took me a sec to find it...
[15:45] <netritious> sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_HIDDEN/\#GRUB_HIDDEN/g' /etc/default/grub && sudo update-grub
[15:45] <netritious> one of the first things I do with lucid
[15:48] <cyberanger> why?
[15:48] <netritious> otherwise I end up having to repair from a live cd/usb drive instead of being able to boot in single user mode right on the machine itself when I fubar things or forget my passwd
[15:48] <netritious> I read somewhere that holding shift works but it doesn't for me
[15:49] <cyberanger> I've not had todo that, hrm
[15:49] <netritious> *holding shift works to show the grub menu despite the hidden attributes
[15:50] <netritious> ^^is what I recall reading, but not sure about the source atm, either way it doesn't work
[15:50] <cyberanger> ah, that's probally esc then
[15:51] <netritious> so hold esc and I get grub menu, even if hidden is true?
[15:51] <cyberanger> believe so
[15:52] <netritious> will give that a go
[15:52] <cyberanger> not 100% sure, with the hidden bit
[15:52] <cyberanger> but that sounds like it
[15:53]  * cyberanger hasn't had an issue with grub2 that can't be explained by my actions
[15:54] <cyberanger> kinda like a "why won't the car start?" "oh, stupid, I left out the spark plugs"
[15:54] <netritious> it's been worse for me
[15:54] <netritious> not with grub though, just grub2
[15:56] <netritious> it may not be grub2, but ubuntu, or plymouth, or whatever ...I'm not 100% certain, but hardy installs on anything just fine no hassles, in about any configuration I can think of, with little to no fuss, old and new computers
[15:57] <netritious> lucid and grub2 refused to cooperate with me on a dual PIII socket 370 supermicro EATX server motherboard
[15:58] <wrst> netritious: you are adding to me theory, grub2 sucks
[15:59] <netritious> and nothing I tried (I was pretty exhaustive) worked to get it booting...spent a couple of days trying too
[15:59]  * wrst prepares  for cyberanger to admonish me
[15:59] <cyberanger> netritious: and that's where I stand on it, each distro doing their old tweaks, and so much changs at once
[15:59] <cyberanger> hal, plymouth, pulseaudio
[16:00] <wrst> cyberanger: i may install grub2 in arch to see what happens and check that out :)
[16:00] <cyberanger> too dynamic to be sure of what and why
[16:00] <cyberanger> but it's clearly there
[16:01] <netritious> grub2 <em>works</em> just a whole lot different than grub
[16:01] <cyberanger> wrst: why not, it's worth a try
[16:01] <cyberanger> netritious: and they timed alot of changes in the same timeframe too
[16:01] <wrst> cyberanger:  i may but i do like my computer to boot :)
[16:02] <wrst> but when grub2 is working like it should it really will be good
[16:02] <cyberanger> wrst: you left out *into linux ;-)
[16:03] <wrst> :)
[16:03] <netritious> brb
[16:04] <wrst> well cyberanger we won't see him for a few weeks
[16:04] <cyberanger> ouch
[16:04] <wrst> his brb's are always a week or two apart :)
[16:05] <cyberanger> yes, but seeing it in print...
[16:06]  * cyberanger can't wait for hulu on android
[16:07] <wrst> really? wow that will be nice cyberanger
[16:07] <cyberanger> I think hulu plus will justify it's price then
[16:07] <cyberanger> however I wish they worked with boxee
[16:08] <cyberanger> less than 10 bucks
[16:08] <cyberanger> a month
[16:08] <cyberanger> cbs.com is free
[16:08] <cyberanger> but not mobile
[16:11] <wrst> who needs a tv? :)
[16:11] <cyberanger> less than 25 for NHL center ice
[16:11] <cyberanger> exactly
[16:11] <cyberanger> the idea of cable tv packages is going away
[16:13] <wrst> yes
[16:14] <cyberanger> I can't wait for the day when you buy a tv channel and use it on an iptv system
[16:14] <cyberanger> boxee, roku, so on
[16:17] <cyberanger> the issue is convincing the companies that will lose profit that they'd lose less supporting this model
[16:17] <cyberanger> by bringing higher speed internet, and lower cost service
[16:17] <cyberanger> more speed tiers
[16:17] <cyberanger> less bandwidth caps (read, no caps, or extremely large caps)
[16:18] <cyberanger> true network neutrality, where bittorrent isn't throttled
[16:19] <cyberanger> which can help the dristubition method, grab new shows that way overnight, for the next day
[16:19] <cyberanger> Pioneer One being a show on no channel, the viewers pay, without watching an add
[16:27] <cyberanger> distrubited via bittorrent
[16:45] <cyberanger> wrst: this week really flew by ;-)
[16:45] <cyberanger> right netritious ? ;-)
[16:46] <netritious> uhm it's still this week? :)
[16:47] <orias> cyberanger: I agree
[16:47] <wrst> ha ha
[16:47] <wrst> yeah
[16:47] <wrst> netritious: i predicted it would be two weeks before you rejoined us after your brb :)
[16:48] <netritious> :P
[16:48] <netritious> I had to plugin to the battery backup
[16:48] <netritious> it's thundering outside
[16:48] <netritious> haven't lost power yet, but never know in this town with that weather
[16:49] <cyberanger> netritious: not pleasent here, not that bad yet though
[16:50] <wrst> netritious: really windy here but looks like we got that to look forward to
[16:51] <netritious> wife called and said there was a bad one coming this morning
[16:53] <netritious> rain and snow are fine, but ice and thunder can (has) shut everything down anywhere from a few seconds to a few days
[16:54] <netritious> in '94 there was an ice storm around these parts and metro memphis took a week to get power back on, two weeks in some places
[16:54] <netritious> Desoto County (Northern MS) power companies were a little quicker, but only by a day or so
[16:55] <cyberanger> yeah, and I've not re-equiped for that scale an issue yet
[16:55] <cyberanger> but luckily, I'm near a high priority area
[16:57] <cyberanger> I'm just not on the exact same grid, but they'll need to get my grid up too, as we're the backup grid
[16:57] <netritious> I bought a generator but haven't had to use it yet
[16:57] <netritious> I keep it primed though
[16:58] <cyberanger> I'd like to get a battery backup, and a generator and solar power options
[16:59] <cyberanger> thing is, how are you going to stay online if the lines fail netritious ?
[16:59] <netritious> why I use two locations
[17:00] <netritious> and computers I can load in my car and transport 3 miles, that is if I'm lucky :)
[17:00] <netritious> around here I'm mostly worried about tornados
[17:00] <cyberanger> are both witin the same area
[17:01] <netritious> which travel east to west, and the shop is about 1.5 miles northeast
[17:01] <netritious> yes
[17:01] <netritious> nothing I can do about that yet
[17:01] <cyberanger> well, to a point, you can
[17:01] <cyberanger> but yeah, cost
[17:02] <netritious> hence the yet :)
[17:03] <cyberanger> I'd like to build two mobile rigs
[17:03] <cyberanger> house the servers in a pickup bed with a cap
[17:04] <cyberanger> shutdown before an issue (routing to the secondary rig)
[17:04] <cyberanger> and drive
[17:04] <wrst> netritious: i think if a tornado hits the memphis area that's a reasonable excuse for down time
[17:04] <netritious> cyberanger: it's already enough work as it is lol
[17:04] <netritious> wrst: yesh I mean what are you going to do
[17:04] <cyberanger> wrst: it is, and yet, if your the guy that has zero downtime, more for you
[17:05] <cyberanger> netritious: that part is easy
[17:05] <wrst> yeah tornados not so easy to stop :)
[17:05] <netritious> if you want complete redundancy use Amazon AWS, but along with that comes a great deal of complexity
[17:05] <netritious> maybe as much as say having your own redundant network
[17:07] <cyberanger> nothing to say it couldn't be done
[17:08] <netritious> on that topic, I think it's neat that you can migrate images from Ubuntu UEC to Amazon...I haven't actually tried it yet, but if things go according to plan then I might actually have the equipment to try it
[17:09] <netritious> *images=vm's
[17:09] <wrst> cool netritious
[17:11] <netritious> there are quite a few "cloud" projects around now based on AWS...
[17:11] <netritious> have you guys seen http://cloud.com ?
[17:12] <cyberanger> netritious: nope
[17:14] <wrst> that's neat looking
[17:21] <netritious> written in java
[17:22] <netritious> I'm not a huge fan myself, but I know quite a few people that love it
[17:41] <cyberanger> same here netritious
[17:41] <cyberanger> it has it's benifits, but you know, shooting your foot to avoid war has benifits too, it still hurts like hell
[18:06] <netritious> lol
[18:16] <cyberanger> watching last nights episode of chuck "Mom, when we get back, we need to have a serious talk about the benifits of tranq guns"
[18:16] <cyberanger> that's gotta be one of the best lines ever
[22:36] <cyberanger> rain really coming down now