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bryceh[ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu4 (Accepted)00:01
RAOFLLStarks: I guess we'll be discussing it (again) at UDS00:04
LLStarksuds-o?00:05
LLStarksregardless of what happens with nouveau 3d, 2011 needs to be the year of flawless switchable graphics on linux.00:06
tjaaltonwhat happened to the year of linux on the desktop?-)00:07
LLStarksi couldn't give two ****s about optimus, but i want to be able to use a 540m if i buy a laptop with one00:07
LLStarkstj, we can put that on hold for another 2 or 3 years like always00:07
RAOFFlawless switchable graphics?  I wouldn't hold my breath.00:07
LLStarkswill linux-hybrid-graphics ever materilize into something usable, or do we have to wait for nvidia?00:09
LLStarkswth jeopardy... you have a category called "good gnus" and not even a single gnu/linux question?00:11
brycehLLStarks, fairly certain they're waiting on patches from you00:14
LLStarkslolno.00:15
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RAOFIt's an interesting problem, patches could be fun.00:16
bryce_X.Org X Server 1.9.99.901 (1.10.0 RC 1)01:03
bryce_yay01:03
bryce_synaptics acceleration is pretty crazy here though01:04
RAOFOf *course* my hardware is magical.01:04
bryce_yep and got the xchat corruption01:04
brycehalright, xorg-server and xorg packages have been uploaded01:08
RAOFAnd they're built we'll need to rebuild the world.01:09
RAOFs/And /And once/01:10
brycehyep01:10
bryceh RAOF, that script rocks01:16
brycehok, messful of .changes ready to go01:17
RAOFWhich one?  The little bit of shell to grab the world?01:17
brycehyep01:17
RAOFA little bit of judicious seddery can be a wonderful thing :)01:17
brycehhad a minor bug (had to use '--rebuild' instead of '--build')01:17
RAOFOh, whoops.  EUNTESTED :)01:17
RAOFWe should hold off until xserver is bulit on at least i386, right?  Do the buildds guarantee build ordering?01:18
brycehwe've needed to wait in the past01:18
brycehso, good time for a short break, than back at it01:19
bryceh[ubuntu/natty] xorg 1:7.6~3ubuntu1 (Accepted)01:40
bryceh[ubuntu/natty] xorg-server 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)01:40
bryceh3 of 4 builds finished https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/xorg-server/2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu101:44
RAOFHello, armel. Nice to see you keeping up :)01:49
RAOFHm.  And I've now got an sbuild capable of optionally building against the contents of ~/Builds.  Neat!01:54
brycehboy they weren't kidding about arm being slow02:11
brycehhowever looks like it published02:12
RAOFI suspect it would be faster to virtualise on the insanely fast buildds.02:12
brycehalright, pulling the trigger on these rebuilds02:13
RAOFWoot!02:14
brycehfound another bug in your script ;-)02:24
Amaranthbryceh: Did you say these uploads fix the xchat-gnome corruption? The screen is too distorted for me to tell for sure :)02:24
brycehAmaranth, no it causes the corruption (or at least, I can reproduce it now)02:25
Amaranthoh, dang02:25
brycehyeah02:25
AmaranthWait, you couldn't reproduce with just the 2.14 intel driver?02:25
AmaranthI'm tempted to hack up xchat-gnome to draw solid white before drawing anything else, I'll take the performance hit if it works around the issue02:26
brycehI hadn't happened to test it on this particular machine02:26
brycehuntil just today02:26
RAOFHm.  I can see that with emacs now.02:26
Amaranthuh oh02:27
brycehalrighty, drivers going in02:28
RAOFWhat was the additional bug in my script?02:29
brycehI needed to have --distribution specified; it was setting all the .changes to UNRELEASED ;-)02:29
RAOFWhoops :)02:29
brycehalso, good to note that the script pulls in xorg as well as drivers, so had to manually slice that out; no need for a rebuild there02:30
RAOFOh, dear lord qemu-arm is slow.  It's *almost* finished ./configure ing xserver.02:30
AmaranthRAOF: Any this is why we use actual devices ;)02:32
AmaranthThe devices are getting faster, qemu not so much02:32
RAOFSadly I don't have an A9 device lying around to sbuild on :P02:32
RAOFAlthough I guess I could ssh into a porter box…02:32
AmaranthI have one, not going to try to build anything on it if I can help it02:32
Amaranthyay cross compilers02:33
RAOFAh.  The other option :)02:33
AmaranthI haven't played with dpkg-cross yet but from what I understand it'll let you build an armel package on x8602:37
AmaranthBut I suppose that's never going to be a good as building natively so I doubt we'll see armel builds happening on the x86 buildds02:37
RAOFThe buildds have insanely more powerful CPUs than an arm chip, though.  Could you get better performance by running qemu-arm on one of the i386 buildds?02:41
AmaranthRAOF: You just saw how that works02:41
RAOFWell, the buildds are much faster than my laptop.02:42
RAOFAlso, s/saw/seeing/.02:42
RAOF:)02:42
AmaranthRAOF: I dunno, they run the build in a VM02:42
AmaranthVM on top of VM is usually incredibly slow02:42
RAOFThey could drop the outer VM, though.02:43
brycehwow slew of rejects02:49
brycehactually, slew of accepts, with a scant few rejects02:49
brycehRAOF, -vmmouse and -geode got build failures02:55
RAOFHm.  Did my -vmmouse sync request not go through…02:55
RAOFAh, no.  bug #709134 will fix vmmouse.02:57
ubot4Launchpad bug 709134 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (Ubuntu) "Sync xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse 1:12.6.99.901-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70913402:57
brycehok think we're done03:05
brycehno other failures except -geode03:06
brycehhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/2.11.11-1build1/+buildjob/2235710/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.11.11-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz03:06
RAOFI'm on the geode failure.03:06
brycehawesome, thanks03:06
RAOFI didn't pick it up, beacause !amd6403:07
brycehaha03:07
brycehRAOF, ok gonna go EOD for a bit; keep an eye on things, I'll check back in a couple hours or so in case of emergencies03:10
RAOFbryceh: Ta.   Have a relaxing evening!03:11
brycehthe dependency change for -intel that lool mentioned still needs done; I'll tackle that this evening but feel free to beat me to it ;-)03:11
RAOFI may well :)03:12
brycehalso, I stuck the build changes for -evdev into its git, but didn't do it for -intel03:12
RAOFOk.  I can fold that in, too.03:13
brycehah -nouveau needs it too03:13
brycehbbl03:13
brycehRAOF, how's things stand?04:31
RAOFbryceh: I've just figured out precisely what's wrong with geode.  http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.11.11-1ubuntu1_source.changes is ready for sponsoring.04:32
brycehthanks04:37
brycehRAOF, ok uploaded04:39
brycehztv eh?04:40
brycehok, speaking of tv, if there's nothing else, gonna go watch a movie04:40
RAOFI guess you could mark bug #709134 as ready to upload.04:40
ubot4Launchpad bug 709134 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (Ubuntu) "Sync xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse 1:12.6.99.901-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70913404:40
RAOFs/upload/sync.04:40
brycehok04:40
LLStarksbtw, i think i've only seen the 945gm graphical corruption once, if at all04:41
LLStarksmight've been too drunk04:41
brycehAmaranth mentioned it too; I suspect you and he both have the same bug.  04:43
LLStarksraof or bryceh, can i do a safe-upgrade? some x packages are being upgraded.04:43
LLStarkswill i have abi issues?04:43
RAOFYou shouldn't be able to break things without removing packages.04:43
RAOFSo a safe-upgrade should be safe.04:44
brycehalrighty, will check back in a couple hours04:44
LLStarksso, if i let intel and evdev update, it's fine?04:44
RAOFModulo, as always, proprietary drivers!04:44
RAOFIf they can without removing other packages, yes.04:44
brycehback05:55
RAOFIs there *really* anyone insane enough to want to pair an Intel i740 chip with an arm CPU? :)10:26
tjaaltonheh, it's built on arm?-)10:38
RAOFYes ):10:41
RAOF:)10:41
tjaaltonmaybe the right thing to do is to drop the driver altogether :)10:42
RAOFBut how will users with 20 year old hardware use it to its full potential‽10:42
RAOFDear lord.  That *is* 20 year old hardware, isn't it.10:43
tjaaltonhmm, lets see10:43
tjaaltonactually only 13y old10:43
tjaaltonseems to be the first to use agp10:44
RAOFOh, yeah.  That's right.10:44
tjaaltonwell, according to wikipedia10:44
RAOFSo 1998?10:44
tjaaltonyep10:44
tjaaltonsooo 90's..10:44
RAOFHm.  I thought it was older.10:44
tjaaltonyeah, not like tseng which is pci (had an ET6000 on my first pc)10:45
RAOFI had a kick-arse pentium 90, with a... S3 virge?10:46
RAOFA full 2MB of video ram, too.10:46
RAOFOr maybe it was 4?10:46
tjaaltonmy first one was with k6-20010:46
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loolxserver-xorg-input-mouse seems to either need a rebuild or be dropped from input-all?11:30
RAOFlool: Need a rebuild.  I'm on it.11:34
RAOFIt also needs people to stop using it, but it's probably useful to some arcane hardware, like -keyboard is.11:34
loolRAOF: You might want to drop it from -input-all in the latter case?11:39
RAOFlool: It isn't *in* input-all.  At least on amd64.11:40
loolWhile I found the -video-all and -input-all approaches elegant, it would make more sense to treat these as -popular or something since we're effectively providing a subset11:40
RAOF-video-all-that-we-care-about :)11:40
loolRAOF: Oh right, vmmouse is; I'm not sure why my upgrade wanted to remove input-all, will tell you once I finish it11:40
loolRAOF: Yeah something like this  :)11:41
RAOFWe'd need to drop a *lot* of drivers to get to -video-all-that-we-care-about :)11:41
RAOFFor an example currently in my attention, I give you tdfx.  A card highly likely to be paired with an arm processor... :)11:41
loolRAOF: Ah vmmouse is what caused -all to go away11:42
RAOFYeah.11:42
RAOFThere's a big stack of rebuilds queuing up.11:42
loolRAOF: Queue seems empty11:43
lool1 job11:43
RAOFNot at http://cooperteam.net/Packages11:43
* lool is looking at https://launchpad.net/builders11:44
loolRAOF: what's this repo for?11:44
RAOFIt's my staging sponsorship queue.11:44
RAOFOnce I've got _all_ the needed rebuilds in there and tested, I'll dump it on pitti or cjwatson and go to sleep. :)11:45
loolAh; I could offer sponsorship, but given the size and hence complexity of the Xorg transition and the fact we're in freeze already, I will leaveit to your regular sponsors11:45
RAOFThanks.  Colin's already volunteered; I suspect he'd like the archive installable pronto :)11:46
looleh11:47
tjaaltonRAOF: I can sponsor as well11:48
RAOFtjaalton: That'd be nice.  I'm on -vesa now, so there's not much more to go in there.  I'll finish up, test build everything, and poke you?11:49
tjaaltonsure11:49
mdeslaurIt would appear I can't dist-upgrade at the moment. Is this known? http://paste.ubuntu.com/560951/13:28
mdeslaurah, never mind, I just noticed all the uploads13:29
tjaaltonyeah rebuilds needed13:29
tjaaltonRAOF: so you got everything uploaded that was needed?13:30
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LLStarksraof, are we still waiting for mouse and vmmouse to build?16:41
tjaaltonmouse is fine16:42
tjaaltondunno about vmmouse16:42
tjaaltonvmmouse built too16:42
LLStarksaptitude wants to remove both16:42
tjaaltonyour mirror isn't uptodate16:43
LLStarksmain archive16:44
LLStarkswait, us archive16:44
tjaaltoni bet it's lagging behind16:45
LLStarksswitching16:45
LLStarkssame prob with main16:47
tjaaltonit could take an hour or two until they are moved there16:48
brycehtjaalton, welcome to canonical :-)16:58
tjaaltonbryceh: thanks :)17:00
brycehtjaalton, did RAOF get everything uploaded he needed?17:02
tjaaltonbryceh: I think so yeah17:04
Sarvattbryceh: why do we always end up updating intel just in time for a new horribly busted kernel upload? :)17:08
brycehSarvatt, what's up?17:08
Sarvatt(2.6.38)17:08
Sarvattlast time we did it was 2.6.37 rc1 and we got a bunch of bugs that were kernel problems on intel too17:09
brycehtjaalton, Sarvatt btw were you guys able to successfully upgrade to the new X via the archive?17:09
Sarvattvmmouse and mouse still holding it back here17:09
brycehhrm17:09
Sarvatti need to set up another natty machine, got everything but my main laptop reinstalled to maverick at the moment for this hibernate issue17:10
brycehSarvatt, any chance you could pastebinit the failure messages?17:10
Sarvattbryceh: AH mouse and vmmouse just updated in the last few minutes on us.archive.ubuntu.com17:11
brycehsweet17:11
tjaaltonI haven't tried upgrading yet17:15
brycehtjaalton, yeah right now's not a great time to be upgrading :-)17:20
LLStarksuwaa17:21
LLStarksis there breakage?17:22
bdmurraymight bug 711284 be X related?18:43
ubot4Launchpad bug 711284 in linux (Ubuntu) "After natty update today, system is unresponsive and freezes often (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71128418:43
brycehbdmurray, hmm not the typical characteristics of an X bug but its possible18:46
brycehbdmurray, we've not had other reports of an issue like that18:46
bdmurraybryceh: okay thanks18:49
brycehRAOF, btw when you're online, rickspencer ran into an upgrade conflict that you might want to take a look at22:10
brycehRAOF, looks a lot like what happens when you have xorg-edgers installed, but he says he doesn't so I'm not sure what is wrong22:10
RAOFbryceh: Where's Rick's report?22:26
brycehhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/561141/22:30
RAOFThanks.22:31
brycehRAOF, I should have had him file an actual bug, but not sure if it was just configurational stuff22:31
RAOFOooh, xserver-xorg-video-v4l22:32
RAOFThat's not going to work, as V4L has been removed from the kernel.22:32
RAOFThat could be it, or a part of it.22:33
brycehdriver rebuilder lives here now:  https://code.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools22:36
brycehI stuck the todo's in there, feel free to hack on it if you want.  converting it to python wouldn't be a bad idea either22:38
brycehfigure we can maybe work on it as we go through this again in the future22:39
brycehbtw I've done the xkeyboard-config merge22:39
brycehtoo late for alpha2 (plus not really that critical anyway), but will shove it in after22:39
RAOFGreat.22:41

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