| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu4 (Accepted) | 00:01 |
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| RAOF | LLStarks: I guess we'll be discussing it (again) at UDS | 00:04 |
| LLStarks | uds-o? | 00:05 |
| LLStarks | regardless of what happens with nouveau 3d, 2011 needs to be the year of flawless switchable graphics on linux. | 00:06 |
| tjaalton | what happened to the year of linux on the desktop?-) | 00:07 |
| LLStarks | i couldn't give two ****s about optimus, but i want to be able to use a 540m if i buy a laptop with one | 00:07 |
| LLStarks | tj, we can put that on hold for another 2 or 3 years like always | 00:07 |
| RAOF | Flawless switchable graphics? I wouldn't hold my breath. | 00:07 |
| LLStarks | will linux-hybrid-graphics ever materilize into something usable, or do we have to wait for nvidia? | 00:09 |
| LLStarks | wth jeopardy... you have a category called "good gnus" and not even a single gnu/linux question? | 00:11 |
| bryceh | LLStarks, fairly certain they're waiting on patches from you | 00:14 |
| LLStarks | lolno. | 00:15 |
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| RAOF | It's an interesting problem, patches could be fun. | 00:16 |
| bryce_ | X.Org X Server 1.9.99.901 (1.10.0 RC 1) | 01:03 |
| bryce_ | yay | 01:03 |
| bryce_ | synaptics acceleration is pretty crazy here though | 01:04 |
| RAOF | Of *course* my hardware is magical. | 01:04 |
| bryce_ | yep and got the xchat corruption | 01:04 |
| bryceh | alright, xorg-server and xorg packages have been uploaded | 01:08 |
| RAOF | And they're built we'll need to rebuild the world. | 01:09 |
| RAOF | s/And /And once/ | 01:10 |
| bryceh | yep | 01:10 |
| bryceh | RAOF, that script rocks | 01:16 |
| bryceh | ok, messful of .changes ready to go | 01:17 |
| RAOF | Which one? The little bit of shell to grab the world? | 01:17 |
| bryceh | yep | 01:17 |
| RAOF | A little bit of judicious seddery can be a wonderful thing :) | 01:17 |
| bryceh | had a minor bug (had to use '--rebuild' instead of '--build') | 01:17 |
| RAOF | Oh, whoops. EUNTESTED :) | 01:17 |
| RAOF | We should hold off until xserver is bulit on at least i386, right? Do the buildds guarantee build ordering? | 01:18 |
| bryceh | we've needed to wait in the past | 01:18 |
| bryceh | so, good time for a short break, than back at it | 01:19 |
| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] xorg 1:7.6~3ubuntu1 (Accepted) | 01:40 |
| bryceh | [ubuntu/natty] xorg-server 2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) | 01:40 |
| bryceh | 3 of 4 builds finished https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/xorg-server/2:1.9.99.901+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu1 | 01:44 |
| RAOF | Hello, armel. Nice to see you keeping up :) | 01:49 |
| RAOF | Hm. And I've now got an sbuild capable of optionally building against the contents of ~/Builds. Neat! | 01:54 |
| bryceh | boy they weren't kidding about arm being slow | 02:11 |
| bryceh | however looks like it published | 02:12 |
| RAOF | I suspect it would be faster to virtualise on the insanely fast buildds. | 02:12 |
| bryceh | alright, pulling the trigger on these rebuilds | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Woot! | 02:14 |
| bryceh | found another bug in your script ;-) | 02:24 |
| Amaranth | bryceh: Did you say these uploads fix the xchat-gnome corruption? The screen is too distorted for me to tell for sure :) | 02:24 |
| bryceh | Amaranth, no it causes the corruption (or at least, I can reproduce it now) | 02:25 |
| Amaranth | oh, dang | 02:25 |
| bryceh | yeah | 02:25 |
| Amaranth | Wait, you couldn't reproduce with just the 2.14 intel driver? | 02:25 |
| Amaranth | I'm tempted to hack up xchat-gnome to draw solid white before drawing anything else, I'll take the performance hit if it works around the issue | 02:26 |
| bryceh | I hadn't happened to test it on this particular machine | 02:26 |
| bryceh | until just today | 02:26 |
| RAOF | Hm. I can see that with emacs now. | 02:26 |
| Amaranth | uh oh | 02:27 |
| bryceh | alrighty, drivers going in | 02:28 |
| RAOF | What was the additional bug in my script? | 02:29 |
| bryceh | I needed to have --distribution specified; it was setting all the .changes to UNRELEASED ;-) | 02:29 |
| RAOF | Whoops :) | 02:29 |
| bryceh | also, good to note that the script pulls in xorg as well as drivers, so had to manually slice that out; no need for a rebuild there | 02:30 |
| RAOF | Oh, dear lord qemu-arm is slow. It's *almost* finished ./configure ing xserver. | 02:30 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: Any this is why we use actual devices ;) | 02:32 |
| Amaranth | The devices are getting faster, qemu not so much | 02:32 |
| RAOF | Sadly I don't have an A9 device lying around to sbuild on :P | 02:32 |
| RAOF | Although I guess I could ssh into a porter box… | 02:32 |
| Amaranth | I have one, not going to try to build anything on it if I can help it | 02:32 |
| Amaranth | yay cross compilers | 02:33 |
| RAOF | Ah. The other option :) | 02:33 |
| Amaranth | I haven't played with dpkg-cross yet but from what I understand it'll let you build an armel package on x86 | 02:37 |
| Amaranth | But I suppose that's never going to be a good as building natively so I doubt we'll see armel builds happening on the x86 buildds | 02:37 |
| RAOF | The buildds have insanely more powerful CPUs than an arm chip, though. Could you get better performance by running qemu-arm on one of the i386 buildds? | 02:41 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: You just saw how that works | 02:41 |
| RAOF | Well, the buildds are much faster than my laptop. | 02:42 |
| RAOF | Also, s/saw/seeing/. | 02:42 |
| RAOF | :) | 02:42 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: I dunno, they run the build in a VM | 02:42 |
| Amaranth | VM on top of VM is usually incredibly slow | 02:42 |
| RAOF | They could drop the outer VM, though. | 02:43 |
| bryceh | wow slew of rejects | 02:49 |
| bryceh | actually, slew of accepts, with a scant few rejects | 02:49 |
| bryceh | RAOF, -vmmouse and -geode got build failures | 02:55 |
| RAOF | Hm. Did my -vmmouse sync request not go through… | 02:55 |
| RAOF | Ah, no. bug #709134 will fix vmmouse. | 02:57 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 709134 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (Ubuntu) "Sync xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse 1:12.6.99.901-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709134 | 02:57 |
| bryceh | ok think we're done | 03:05 |
| bryceh | no other failures except -geode | 03:06 |
| bryceh | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/2.11.11-1build1/+buildjob/2235710/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.11.11-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 03:06 |
| RAOF | I'm on the geode failure. | 03:06 |
| bryceh | awesome, thanks | 03:06 |
| RAOF | I didn't pick it up, beacause !amd64 | 03:07 |
| bryceh | aha | 03:07 |
| bryceh | RAOF, ok gonna go EOD for a bit; keep an eye on things, I'll check back in a couple hours or so in case of emergencies | 03:10 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Ta. Have a relaxing evening! | 03:11 |
| bryceh | the dependency change for -intel that lool mentioned still needs done; I'll tackle that this evening but feel free to beat me to it ;-) | 03:11 |
| RAOF | I may well :) | 03:12 |
| bryceh | also, I stuck the build changes for -evdev into its git, but didn't do it for -intel | 03:12 |
| RAOF | Ok. I can fold that in, too. | 03:13 |
| bryceh | ah -nouveau needs it too | 03:13 |
| bryceh | bbl | 03:13 |
| bryceh | RAOF, how's things stand? | 04:31 |
| RAOF | bryceh: I've just figured out precisely what's wrong with geode. http://cooperteam.net/Packages/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.11.11-1ubuntu1_source.changes is ready for sponsoring. | 04:32 |
| bryceh | thanks | 04:37 |
| bryceh | RAOF, ok uploaded | 04:39 |
| bryceh | ztv eh? | 04:40 |
| bryceh | ok, speaking of tv, if there's nothing else, gonna go watch a movie | 04:40 |
| RAOF | I guess you could mark bug #709134 as ready to upload. | 04:40 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 709134 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse (Ubuntu) "Sync xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse 1:12.6.99.901-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709134 | 04:40 |
| RAOF | s/upload/sync. | 04:40 |
| bryceh | ok | 04:40 |
| LLStarks | btw, i think i've only seen the 945gm graphical corruption once, if at all | 04:41 |
| LLStarks | might've been too drunk | 04:41 |
| bryceh | Amaranth mentioned it too; I suspect you and he both have the same bug. | 04:43 |
| LLStarks | raof or bryceh, can i do a safe-upgrade? some x packages are being upgraded. | 04:43 |
| LLStarks | will i have abi issues? | 04:43 |
| RAOF | You shouldn't be able to break things without removing packages. | 04:43 |
| RAOF | So a safe-upgrade should be safe. | 04:44 |
| bryceh | alrighty, will check back in a couple hours | 04:44 |
| LLStarks | so, if i let intel and evdev update, it's fine? | 04:44 |
| RAOF | Modulo, as always, proprietary drivers! | 04:44 |
| RAOF | If they can without removing other packages, yes. | 04:44 |
| bryceh | back | 05:55 |
| RAOF | Is there *really* anyone insane enough to want to pair an Intel i740 chip with an arm CPU? :) | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | heh, it's built on arm?-) | 10:38 |
| RAOF | Yes ): | 10:41 |
| RAOF | :) | 10:41 |
| tjaalton | maybe the right thing to do is to drop the driver altogether :) | 10:42 |
| RAOF | But how will users with 20 year old hardware use it to its full potential‽ | 10:42 |
| RAOF | Dear lord. That *is* 20 year old hardware, isn't it. | 10:43 |
| tjaalton | hmm, lets see | 10:43 |
| tjaalton | actually only 13y old | 10:43 |
| tjaalton | seems to be the first to use agp | 10:44 |
| RAOF | Oh, yeah. That's right. | 10:44 |
| tjaalton | well, according to wikipedia | 10:44 |
| RAOF | So 1998? | 10:44 |
| tjaalton | yep | 10:44 |
| tjaalton | sooo 90's.. | 10:44 |
| RAOF | Hm. I thought it was older. | 10:44 |
| tjaalton | yeah, not like tseng which is pci (had an ET6000 on my first pc) | 10:45 |
| RAOF | I had a kick-arse pentium 90, with a... S3 virge? | 10:46 |
| RAOF | A full 2MB of video ram, too. | 10:46 |
| RAOF | Or maybe it was 4? | 10:46 |
| tjaalton | my first one was with k6-200 | 10:46 |
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| lool | xserver-xorg-input-mouse seems to either need a rebuild or be dropped from input-all? | 11:30 |
| RAOF | lool: Need a rebuild. I'm on it. | 11:34 |
| RAOF | It also needs people to stop using it, but it's probably useful to some arcane hardware, like -keyboard is. | 11:34 |
| lool | RAOF: You might want to drop it from -input-all in the latter case? | 11:39 |
| RAOF | lool: It isn't *in* input-all. At least on amd64. | 11:40 |
| lool | While I found the -video-all and -input-all approaches elegant, it would make more sense to treat these as -popular or something since we're effectively providing a subset | 11:40 |
| RAOF | -video-all-that-we-care-about :) | 11:40 |
| lool | RAOF: Oh right, vmmouse is; I'm not sure why my upgrade wanted to remove input-all, will tell you once I finish it | 11:40 |
| lool | RAOF: Yeah something like this :) | 11:41 |
| RAOF | We'd need to drop a *lot* of drivers to get to -video-all-that-we-care-about :) | 11:41 |
| RAOF | For an example currently in my attention, I give you tdfx. A card highly likely to be paired with an arm processor... :) | 11:41 |
| lool | RAOF: Ah vmmouse is what caused -all to go away | 11:42 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 11:42 |
| RAOF | There's a big stack of rebuilds queuing up. | 11:42 |
| lool | RAOF: Queue seems empty | 11:43 |
| lool | 1 job | 11:43 |
| RAOF | Not at http://cooperteam.net/Packages | 11:43 |
| * lool is looking at https://launchpad.net/builders | 11:44 | |
| lool | RAOF: what's this repo for? | 11:44 |
| RAOF | It's my staging sponsorship queue. | 11:44 |
| RAOF | Once I've got _all_ the needed rebuilds in there and tested, I'll dump it on pitti or cjwatson and go to sleep. :) | 11:45 |
| lool | Ah; I could offer sponsorship, but given the size and hence complexity of the Xorg transition and the fact we're in freeze already, I will leaveit to your regular sponsors | 11:45 |
| RAOF | Thanks. Colin's already volunteered; I suspect he'd like the archive installable pronto :) | 11:46 |
| lool | eh | 11:47 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: I can sponsor as well | 11:48 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: That'd be nice. I'm on -vesa now, so there's not much more to go in there. I'll finish up, test build everything, and poke you? | 11:49 |
| tjaalton | sure | 11:49 |
| mdeslaur | It would appear I can't dist-upgrade at the moment. Is this known? http://paste.ubuntu.com/560951/ | 13:28 |
| mdeslaur | ah, never mind, I just noticed all the uploads | 13:29 |
| tjaalton | yeah rebuilds needed | 13:29 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: so you got everything uploaded that was needed? | 13:30 |
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| LLStarks | raof, are we still waiting for mouse and vmmouse to build? | 16:41 |
| tjaalton | mouse is fine | 16:42 |
| tjaalton | dunno about vmmouse | 16:42 |
| tjaalton | vmmouse built too | 16:42 |
| LLStarks | aptitude wants to remove both | 16:42 |
| tjaalton | your mirror isn't uptodate | 16:43 |
| LLStarks | main archive | 16:44 |
| LLStarks | wait, us archive | 16:44 |
| tjaalton | i bet it's lagging behind | 16:45 |
| LLStarks | switching | 16:45 |
| LLStarks | same prob with main | 16:47 |
| tjaalton | it could take an hour or two until they are moved there | 16:48 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, welcome to canonical :-) | 16:58 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: thanks :) | 17:00 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, did RAOF get everything uploaded he needed? | 17:02 |
| tjaalton | bryceh: I think so yeah | 17:04 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: why do we always end up updating intel just in time for a new horribly busted kernel upload? :) | 17:08 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, what's up? | 17:08 |
| Sarvatt | (2.6.38) | 17:08 |
| Sarvatt | last time we did it was 2.6.37 rc1 and we got a bunch of bugs that were kernel problems on intel too | 17:09 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, Sarvatt btw were you guys able to successfully upgrade to the new X via the archive? | 17:09 |
| Sarvatt | vmmouse and mouse still holding it back here | 17:09 |
| bryceh | hrm | 17:09 |
| Sarvatt | i need to set up another natty machine, got everything but my main laptop reinstalled to maverick at the moment for this hibernate issue | 17:10 |
| bryceh | Sarvatt, any chance you could pastebinit the failure messages? | 17:10 |
| Sarvatt | bryceh: AH mouse and vmmouse just updated in the last few minutes on us.archive.ubuntu.com | 17:11 |
| bryceh | sweet | 17:11 |
| tjaalton | I haven't tried upgrading yet | 17:15 |
| bryceh | tjaalton, yeah right now's not a great time to be upgrading :-) | 17:20 |
| LLStarks | uwaa | 17:21 |
| LLStarks | is there breakage? | 17:22 |
| bdmurray | might bug 711284 be X related? | 18:43 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 711284 in linux (Ubuntu) "After natty update today, system is unresponsive and freezes often (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711284 | 18:43 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, hmm not the typical characteristics of an X bug but its possible | 18:46 |
| bryceh | bdmurray, we've not had other reports of an issue like that | 18:46 |
| bdmurray | bryceh: okay thanks | 18:49 |
| bryceh | RAOF, btw when you're online, rickspencer ran into an upgrade conflict that you might want to take a look at | 22:10 |
| bryceh | RAOF, looks a lot like what happens when you have xorg-edgers installed, but he says he doesn't so I'm not sure what is wrong | 22:10 |
| RAOF | bryceh: Where's Rick's report? | 22:26 |
| bryceh | http://paste.ubuntu.com/561141/ | 22:30 |
| RAOF | Thanks. | 22:31 |
| bryceh | RAOF, I should have had him file an actual bug, but not sure if it was just configurational stuff | 22:31 |
| RAOF | Oooh, xserver-xorg-video-v4l | 22:32 |
| RAOF | That's not going to work, as V4L has been removed from the kernel. | 22:32 |
| RAOF | That could be it, or a part of it. | 22:33 |
| bryceh | driver rebuilder lives here now: https://code.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/xorg-server/xorg-pkg-tools | 22:36 |
| bryceh | I stuck the todo's in there, feel free to hack on it if you want. converting it to python wouldn't be a bad idea either | 22:38 |
| bryceh | figure we can maybe work on it as we go through this again in the future | 22:39 |
| bryceh | btw I've done the xkeyboard-config merge | 22:39 |
| bryceh | too late for alpha2 (plus not really that critical anyway), but will shove it in after | 22:39 |
| RAOF | Great. | 22:41 |
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