| ScottL | rlameiro, the audio-plugin tasksel should be fixed for alpha2 tomorrow or the next day :) | 00:43 |
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| rlameiro | nice | 00:43 |
| * ScottL feels kinda silly though thinking that the meta packages needed to be rebuilt because of the tasksel problem when i knew cjwatson runs a script to generate them | 00:44 | |
| rlameiro | oops | 00:45 |
| ScottL | i've been having a LOT of kernel panics on a machine i bought from ebay, it's a dell p4 with hyperthreading | 01:14 |
| ScottL | but it also has 3.25 gigs of memory and it's a 32 bit machine | 01:14 |
| ScottL | anyone have any idea if the extra memory or the HT would cause kernel panics about 2/3rds of the time? | 01:15 |
| rlameiro | it might | 01:27 |
| rlameiro | maybe the RAM is malfuncioning | 01:27 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i'm going to do a fresh install of maverick and see how it behaves, this way i can do some backporting tonight and tomorrow, then test the iso image for natty next | 01:43 |
| ScottL | if maverick doesn't have these problems then i think it may be the new kernel | 01:43 |
| ScottL | if the problem persists then i probably tear down the computer and start building it piece by piece until i find the failing part :/ | 01:44 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: I had problems with memory before | 01:44 |
| rlameiro | in windows it crashed all the time | 01:44 |
| rlameiro | in linux it run way better, but you never know | 01:44 |
| ScottL | well i did find that it had two 1gig sticks on memory in one channel, the other had a 1gig and a 512megabtye stick | 01:45 |
| ScottL | i thought maybe having one channel not matching might have done it but i've already removed the 1 and the 0.25 gig sticks | 01:46 |
| ScottL | it still is giving me problems | 01:46 |
| ailo | I don't know if faulty memory would cause kernel panic. Usually the system just freezes for me. Try using only one stick | 01:46 |
| ailo | Ah, ok | 01:46 |
| ailo | How about pci cards, anything added to the machine? | 01:47 |
| ailo | Though, still, why kernel panic? | 01:48 |
| ailo | I'm having trouble booting -lowlatency sometimes. | 01:49 |
| ailo | Don't get any message. It stops at the purple screen | 01:49 |
| ailo | Im worried that I have a hardware problem. Maybe the drive. It's newly bought, but I started having issues after I replaced the drive. | 01:50 |
| rlameiro | ailo | 01:50 |
| rlameiro | do ctrl-alt-FN1 | 01:51 |
| ailo | ctrl-alt-F1? | 01:51 |
| ailo | My usb keyboard is shut down too during that process. I should try replacing that too | 01:52 |
| rlameiro | weird | 01:53 |
| rlameiro | you should enable that on bios | 01:53 |
| rlameiro | that key shortcut is to acces to tty1 | 01:54 |
| rlameiro | virtual consoles | 01:54 |
| ailo | Aha | 01:54 |
| rlameiro | maybe it outputs some data | 01:54 |
| rlameiro | or press esc during boot | 01:54 |
| ailo | I should try with a non-usb keyboard | 01:54 |
| ScottL | i forget to mention that it usually stops during boot, maybe before grub, maybe right after grub, sometimes just before completing boot | 01:55 |
| ScottL | but the reason i think it's kernel panic is because the caps lock and one other light begin to flashing in sync | 01:56 |
| paultag | ScottL: what hardware / modules? | 01:56 |
| paultag | ScottL: any hardware changes? Is this on boot or during runtime? | 01:57 |
| ailo | ScottL: Do you have this problem with -generic? Have you tried evaluating that? | 01:57 |
| paultag | oh you just said it | 01:57 |
| paultag | ScottL: lucid? | 01:58 |
| rlameiro | natty | 01:58 |
| paultag | ah, hum. | 01:58 |
| paultag | ScottL: try bisecting the kernel deltas from maverick | 02:00 |
| paultag | ScottL: was it working in maverick? | 02:00 |
| persia | Before raw bisect, one can get value from just trying different packaged versions. bisect between two revisions tends to be easier. | 02:01 |
| paultag | persia: +1 | 02:02 |
| persia | Technically a bisect is faster, but requires a fair bit more attention :) | 02:02 |
| paultag | persia: truth :) | 02:03 |
| * paultag gets back to family guy | 02:03 | |
| ailo | rlameiro: About our audio-test program. I'm working on the script, which will probably be pretty simple, but I need to work out some details. Do you want us to share the work on the pd patch? | 02:10 |
| rlameiro | its ok | 02:11 |
| rlameiro | we can share the work :D | 02:11 |
| ailo | I'm also considering if we should use git or something. I have a git account we could use for it | 02:11 |
| ailo | Just need to get your ssh key, so you can push your patches there | 02:12 |
| ailo | Or do you have your own CVS, or the like? | 02:12 |
| ScottL | i've already installed maverick and am getting updates, i'll reboot after that a few times and see what happens...i notice the kernel is 2.6.35 | 02:24 |
| ScottL | i believe i had this machine running ubuntu studio lucid for a month or so without the problems i'm experiencing recently now that i think about it | 02:25 |
| ScottL | maverick seems to work just fine for me, paultag or persia, do you have any suggestions for figuring out what my problem might be? | 02:49 |
| ScottL | even if you recommend posting a question on #ubuntu-kernel, that would be a welcome suggestion | 02:49 |
| ScottL | or even suggestions on how to provide an adequate bug report in this case | 02:50 |
| persia | ScottL, Maverick works with the latest kernel in -updates? | 02:50 |
| persia | If so, upgrade to Natty, except not upgrading the kernel, then install each Natty kernel until one breaks. | 02:55 |
| persia | If not, then install each Maverick kernel between the base kernel and the latest in -updates until one breaks. | 02:56 |
| persia | Once you have one that breaks, hunt down JFo and ask what information beyond the kernel versions is useful in a bug report for a regression in bootability. | 02:56 |
| ScottL | persia, eh, i hadn't enabled updates yet, i will do that and see if anything breaks | 03:02 |
| ScottL | oh, i had -updates enabled by default, it was -backports that i was thinking wasn't enabled | 03:05 |
| ScottL | persia, how should i upgrade to natty from a maverick install | 03:08 |
| persia | -backports should never contain a kernel, so you ought be safe there. | 03:24 |
| persia | So, the *right* way to upgrade is `update-manager -d` or `do-release-upgrade -d`, but we're not going to do it that way :) | 03:24 |
| persia | The following should only be used for debugging purposes: | 03:25 |
| persia | 1) Go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux and get all the kernel packages that were uploaded to Natty. | 03:25 |
| persia | 2) Make sure aptitude is installed on your system | 03:26 |
| persia | 3) edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change every occurance of maverick to natty | 03:26 |
| persia | 4) run `sudo aptitude -u` to get all the new updates | 03:26 |
| persia | 5) Press '+' when "Upgradable Packages" is highlighted | 03:27 |
| persia | 6) Press 'g' | 03:27 |
| persia | 7) Navigate the package selection ('Enter' opens a submenu), and find the attempt to upgrade "linux" or "linux-generic" or "generic-linux" or whichever one you have installed (the kernel metapackage) | 03:28 |
| ScottL | persia, just to make sure, you realize that natty is development currently? | 03:28 |
| persia | 8) When the kernel metapackage is highlighted, press ':' to not upgrade that. | 03:28 |
| persia | ScottL, Yes. This is a fresh install you're willing to reinstall tomorrow after filing the bug if necessary, right? | 03:29 |
| persia | I run natty one one of my laptops, just to keep track of the changes, but yeah, it's not really suitable for getting real work done. | 03:29 |
| persia | 9) Press 'g' again to upgrade most of the packages | 03:30 |
| persia | 10) Press 'q' as many times as required to quit aptitude once the upgrade is complete. | 03:30 |
| persia | 11) Reboot | 03:30 |
| ScottL | persia, i have a fresh maverick install that i am ready to reinstall tomorrow, yes :) | 03:30 |
| persia | 12) In order, install each kernel package that was published in natty, and reboot | 03:30 |
| persia | At some point, whilst repeating step 12, you will not be able to boot (if you can replicate the bug noted above). | 03:31 |
| persia | At that point, report the version that worked and the version that didn't work in a bug report, and bug JFo for what other details are useful. | 03:31 |
| persia | This is actually a fairly safe time to upgrade to natty, because of the Alpha 2 freeze (which should have started 3:30 ago, but ... ) | 03:32 |
| ScottL | persia, did you see that i got the tasksel hopefully fixed with cjwatson :) | 03:33 |
| persia | I did. Nice work. | 03:33 |
| scott-upstairs | persia, i went to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux, but i'm not show how to get all the kernel packages for natty | 03:39 |
| scott-upstairs | at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux i found thirty release of the kernel for natty | 03:40 |
| persia | Heh, yeah, there's been a few uploads :) | 04:04 |
| persia | When did it last seem to work? I'd recommend starting from there. | 04:05 |
| ScottL | persia, but how do i get them? navigate to the page with a .deb file and download it? | 04:07 |
| persia | Right. I tend to find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory useful, with the links on the right. | 04:07 |
| persia | Starting from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/linux/2.6.31-22.71 might well be a reasonable place: I think that's the last 2.6.37 that was uploaded. | 04:08 |
| persia | And I suspect you would have encountered an issue before now if that was bad. | 04:08 |
| persia | Unless I'm guessing wrong, the issue came with the 2.6.38 kernel (as that was the more significant change) | 04:09 |
| persia | Err, wrong link :( | 04:09 |
| persia | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/2.6.37-12.26 was the one I thought might be a safe starting point. | 04:12 |
| ScottL | i was having trouble with the 2.6.37 kernel as well, don't know how far back though | 04:13 |
| persia | Hmm. Well, you're choice where to start. I'm not sure what would succeed/fail. | 04:16 |
| scott-work | wow...looks like all the xorg packages blew up this morning :/ | 15:26 |
| holstein | scott-work: in general? | 15:26 |
| holstein | or relating to gnome? | 15:26 |
| scott-work | holstein: it looks like in general, they failed to build for some reason, i'm guessing a change someone made yesterday which will be fixed by tomorrow :) | 15:27 |
| * holstein ponders the term 'freeze' ;) | 15:27 | |
| scott-work | we're only under debian import freeze with feature freeze coming up soon | 15:29 |
| holstein | OIC | 15:30 |
| holstein | they'll sort it out anyways | 15:30 |
| scott-work | persia: i think i messed something up last night updating my maverick install as i was quite tired when i got to attempting it and was driven to distraction by the dogs barking to go outside at almost midnight :/ | 18:44 |
| scott-work | persia: nonetheless, this morning i resinstalled maverick again and after updating again will try it again | 18:45 |
| scott-work | new blog post if anyone is interested: http://dullass.blogspot.com/ | 19:24 |
| scott-work | congrats jussi on the council wins | 19:30 |
| astraljava | council wins? | 19:57 |
| scott-work | astraljava: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/02/01/new-irc-council-members/ | 20:12 |
| holstein | cool | 20:15 |
| holstein | congrats jussi :) | 20:15 |
| astraljava | coolness! conga-rats jussi01! but I thought he was already a part of the council. oh well, I must be out of my mind... which is nothing new | 20:15 |
| jussi | astraljava: it was re-election | 20:27 |
| astraljava | Ahh... sorry that wasn't clear to me from the page. | 20:30 |
| TheMuso | There is a xorg transition going on in Ubuntu, hense the CD blow up. | 21:44 |
| TheMuso | It should all be settled come the next build. | 21:44 |
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