[01:30] <knome> charlie-tca, any possibilities fighting spam on identi.ca? http://identi.ca/nelsonballard4166 is producing a lot of cruft
[02:48] <charlie-tca> just block that person
[03:44] <charlie-tca> knome: click on the name, it takes you to their profile. Now click on "Block", then Yes at the bottom
[06:44] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: well, I'm not sure it it's a bug in garcon after all. I think the spec is like that ;-)
[07:15] <knome> charlie-tca, i'm not on identi.ca. i'd like to actually fight against the spam, not just ignore it. it's a problem if anybody wants to follow the identi.ca rss/atom feed
[07:17] <knome> charlie-tca, this only not makes it impossible to follow if you're not on identi.ca but also renders any website that's aggregating that feed less relevant
[07:17] <knome> charlie-tca, and since it seems to be only one user in the #xubuntu tag...
[07:18] <knome> charlie-tca, all his messages come from the api, and they all link to some user profiles on various forums and such. that can't be waterproof.
[07:19] <knome> anyway, go to RUN
[07:19] <knome> see you later
[07:57] <ochosi> i've made another iteration of the panel layout etc, this time including a preview of how more "default" looking icons would look there: http://wiki.knome.fi/_detail/shimmer:panel_it4.png?id=shimmer%3Axfce-panel
[07:57] <ochosi> s/default/generic
[07:57] <ochosi> note: gimp would/could also be replaced by a more generic "painting" icon
[13:01] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: that double entry doesn't exist outside of xfce, even though gnumeric uses the same .desktop file 
[13:02] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: mmh, have you tested with another desktop environment?
[13:03] <charlie-tca> gnome in ubuntu
[13:03] <charlie-tca> I got the office entry, but not the science entry
[13:04] <mr_pouit> grmbl, then gnome isn't following the xdg spec
[13:04] <charlie-tca> what a surprise :-(
[13:04] <charlie-tca> so, back to gnumeric for a fix on it?
[13:05] <mr_pouit> maybe, although their .desktop is perfectly fine (its an office & science app, I agree with that)
[13:06] <charlie-tca> okay, I can upstream it there too. It's really just an annoyance to have it in two places.
[13:07] <mr_pouit> many programs are like that, and that's not new (it has been like that in the previous releases too)
[13:08] <charlie-tca> 10.04 only had one entry
[13:08] <mr_pouit> yeah, it's xfce 4.4.x, not fully xdg compliant (not at all for menu files)
[13:09] <charlie-tca> okay
[13:09] <charlie-tca> hm, and the good news for the day. Alpha2 is due thursday, images are broken by X
[14:14] <mr_pouit> well, I can edit the xubuntu menu file to be exclusive, so we don't get two entries for the same app
[14:15] <charlie-tca> Do we need to?
[14:15] <charlie-tca> It isn't like it is a bad thing to have them, really
[14:15] <mr_pouit> It's better than asking gnumeric's upstream ot change something that is correct ;-)
[14:15] <mr_pouit> but yeah, it's a matter of preferences
[14:16] <mr_pouit> I can easily change that in the menu, so we can decide what we prefer anyway
[14:16] <charlie-tca> oh, okay. I didn't go upstream there yet. 
[14:16] <ochosi> i think doing the change downstream for stuff like this is better
[14:16] <ochosi> it's just our preference, so we should change it
[14:16] <charlie-tca> I will talk to them on irc before I send the bug to them
[14:17] <charlie-tca> but not today. Today I broke my system with the updates, VBox won't work for me, and we start testing as soon as they fix X
[14:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: we can either change the file or mark the bug wishlist
[16:02] <ochosi> i made a draft for a few default apps in xubuntu that could use icon improvements, it's all wip but you can see it here: http://wiki.knome.fi/shimmer:xubuntu_generic_app_icons
[16:02] <ochosi> it's what we talked about wrt more generic app icons
[16:02] <charlie-tca> we didn't decide on anything, though
[16:02] <ochosi> no
[16:03] <ochosi> of course not
[16:03] <charlie-tca> I am not sure replacing what is used linux wide for an app is a good idea
[16:03] <ochosi> but i want to illustrate my point
[16:03] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i would *only* replace the launchers in the launcer-panel, not in the menu
[16:04] <charlie-tca> Isn't that confusing. If I look in the menu, I see an icon. If I look at the launchers, it isn't there?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> I have to remember the icon changed ?
[16:06] <ochosi> not sure, we'll have to think about it a while
[22:44] <charlie-tca> xubuntu images are ready for alpha2 testing
[23:25] <j1mc> charlie-tca: can we test in a vm?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:25] <charlie-tca> xubuntu is good in a vm
[23:25] <j1mc> probably one of the few remaining desktops that can be testing in a vm. :) i'll go ahead and give it a try.
[23:26] <j1mc> ... i suppose kde can still probably be tested in a vm, though.
[23:26] <charlie-tca> thanks, j1mc. 
[23:49] <charlie-tca> ochosi: we need to unhide the bottom panel. It is only found by those who hit it by mistake
[23:54] <charlie-tca> j1mc: are you testing the desktop image?
[23:55] <charlie-tca> Want to know if you hit bug 711571 ?
[23:56] <knome> charlie-tca, should the alpha2 images work in vbox 3.2.x?
[23:56] <charlie-tca> I don't think so
[23:56] <charlie-tca> but I could be wrong
[23:57] <knome> right. that makes testing harder than it should be for many.
[23:57] <j1mc> charlie-tca: sorry, i'm just doing the alternate
[23:57] <charlie-tca> okay
[23:57] <knome> do you think there could be more resources put in getting the new alphas working with older vbox versions?
[23:57] <charlie-tca> knome: yes, it does, but so does the fact they just upgraded the xserver and nvidia-current is dead
[23:57] <knome> probably *ubuntu*-wide...
[23:58] <charlie-tca> I don't think that would be a wise use of resources, since the priority is getting natty working
[23:58] <charlie-tca> If it fails in older virtual machines, well, ...
[23:59] <knome> yeah well, less people to test it (at least less people that are not used to testing and/or 'cutting edge' bugs), less bugs found...