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drbobbvalorie: well seems that functionality is very well hidden00:00
drbobbafief: no it does not exist00:00
afiefdrbobb: the VBR setting you mean?00:00
drbobbnot for kde nor in a form usable for the average user00:01
valoriedrbobb: it's new, and only works from the files to the collection for now00:01
valoriewill work on the fly to devices later00:02
drbobbwell so it's not available00:02
Confused_AgainHi all00:02
Confused_AgainI am having a bit of trouble with playing DVD's00:02
valoriehttp://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual/AdvancedFeatures/Transcoding00:02
valorieyes, as of 2.4 beta00:03
iulian_drbobb: do you have tried perl audio converter00:03
afiefdrbobb: flac -cd "$file" | lame -h - "${file%.flac}.mp3"00:04
afiefdrbobb: lame has only a few options, you'll want -vbr, -b and -B00:05
afiefConfused_Again: you'll have to be more specific00:06
Confused_AgainSure, what kind of specifics would you like?00:06
Confused_AgainI am using Kubuntu 10.04  I upgraded from 8.04 and from something else prior to that but I have forgotten the history of releases I have installed on this machine.  Sorry.00:07
afiefConfused_Again: what does "trouble" mean? It doesn't work? in this case what's the error message? if it does work but is suboptimal describe what's going on exactly00:07
Confused_AgainThe DVD mounts.  When I go to /media/cdrom, I can see the files, (vob's, etc.,) but when I try to play it using either Xine, totem, mplayer, vlc or anything else, I get a number of error messages.00:08
Confused_Againdecss is working fine.  I can see the generated keys, but it just doesn't play.00:08
drbobbwow, with ffmpeg it's quite a hassle00:10
Confused_AgainHere are some specimen error messages from Xine:00:11
Confused_AgainDCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket00:11
Confused_AgainERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server!00:11
Confused_Againvlc says: [0xb7200930] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called00:13
Confused_AgainAny ideas afief?00:16
drbobbI am really amazed that there is no working GUI tool to perform this recoding task00:16
afiefConfused_Again: nope, I can't figure those out00:17
Confused_AgainOh well... Thanks for trying.00:17
afiefdrbobb: I gave you a one liner that does the work and allows you full customizability00:17
Confused_Againdrbobb, I am a little late to the party but have you tried soundconverter?  It has a rather simple gui.00:17
drbobbafief: yeah and FOR ME it's done. But the average user would be lost.00:18
drbobbConfused_Again: I just discovered that soundconverter exists. it is not part of kde00:19
Confused_AgainIs that it is not part of KDE a problem?00:20
drbobbwell a slight problem00:20
Confused_AgainWhy is that?00:20
drbobbyou have to do a bit of guesswork to discover that it exists00:20
afiefConfused_Again: wow that's a 2000 lines python script00:20
Confused_Againapt-cache search soundconverter00:21
drbobband then install most of gnome for one simple app00:21
Confused_AgainI think that it just installs gtk+ doesn't it?00:21
drbobbConfused_Again: I know how to use apt-cache, and YOU know what exactly to search for00:21
drbobbmost users know neither00:21
Confused_AgainOk, sorry...  I was just trying to help.00:22
Confused_AgainIt does seem to be what you are trying to find though.00:22
drbobbthank you00:22
afiefConfused_Again: nope it needs python-gnome200:22
drbobbit does need most of gnome though00:22
Confused_Againafief, those are just python bindinds for the gnome interfaces.00:23
Confused_AgainBut again, I was just positing that it was a gui tool that managed converging audio from one format to another.00:24
afiefConfused_Again: yup, but the python binds won't work without the rest of the framework00:24
rats__Con00:24
afiefConfused_Again: and I'm glad you did :-) gave me a chance to look at some interesting code00:24
Confused_AgainBy the way, it is a rate package or at least a trivial one that doesn't have some dependencies and gui packages typically have m ore.00:25
drbobbI was just claiming that there is no user-friendly tool for the task in the kubuntu desktop currently00:25
Confused_AgainI meant rare in the above sentence by the way, not rate.00:26
drbobbI vaguely recall this was easier back in kde300:26
Confused_AgainOk, I agree.00:27
Confused_AgainSo you limit yourself to only packages that work with KDE?00:28
drbobbConfused_Again: you really seem to be confused, that is not the point at all00:29
drbobbbefore you suggested that util I had located and tried 3 others in software center00:30
drbobbnone of them worked00:30
Confused_AgainI see.  Then what is the point?00:30
drbobbtoo bad this is not some arcane task for experts only00:31
drbobbsooner or later nearly every user will need to do this00:31
drbobband most of them will fail00:31
drbobband will conclude that "kubuntu sucks"00:31
rats__drbobb: Audacity will do sound conversions easily00:33
drbobbrats__: never used it, how would I guess that?00:33
Confused_AgainIf you have the normal compliment of repositories in your sources.list, then there are a number of ways to find soundconverter.  You an install it along with all of itse dpeendencies and then use a simple GUI to do manage most of your conversion tasks.  I guess I don't see why that is an issue?00:33
Confused_AgainBut I have to do now, so I guess I may never know.  Good luck and good bye.00:34
drbobbthe issue is it takes a fair bit of patience00:35
JuJuBeeI am trying to install kubuntu 10.10 32 bit on my laptop currently running 10.04 64bit. I need to test a theory about some drivers I need to run my smartboard. I installed 10.10 onto another partition after much hassel and after reboot got errror "Gave up waiting for root device..." and dropped me to (initramfs)00:35
drbobbwell I'm busy too, so whatever00:35
iulian_JuJuBee : Why not try 64 bit live cd00:47
JuJuBeeiulian_:  I need to install a 32 bit version so I can test a driver issue.00:48
JuJuBeeI just got a new interactive white board for my classroom and they offer linux drivers but they won't load in 64 bit ubuntu.  I want to see if they will in the 32 bit 10.1000:49
Kubuntu-fanJuJuBee, that sounds insteresting.  May i inquire the age group of the class of students?00:52
JuJuBeeHigh school 11th 12th grade00:53
JuJuBeeThe board is called Eno by Polyvision00:53
Kubuntu-fanUmm, tough group.:)00:53
iulian_but 32 bit in 64 bit ...00:54
iulian_maybe dual boot is better ...00:55
JuJuBeeiulian_: ?  what do you mean?00:58
Kubuntu-fanJuJuBee, are you using the 96" version of  Eno by Polyvision; smaller  or larger?01:01
iulian_http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/1001:02
iulian_maybe wrong architecture if you run 64 bit now that give it errors01:04
thrall_Hi. I've successfully managed to get my two monitors set up as a single wide desktop, but it 'forgets' the settings every time I reboot. When it reboots, the two monitors are clones. Does anyone know how to fix this?01:24
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john223333I have just installed Kubuntu, and I have a long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be.01:50
john223333I have tried changing the background and killing it... it keeps coming back01:52
Kubuntu-fan_John, so when you restart it comes back?02:02
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Kubuntu-fan_thrall, are you still there?02:03
Kubuntu-fan_John, when you restart it comes back?02:05
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john223333How can I remove the analog clock widget from my desktop?02:20
john223333How can I remove any running widget from my desktop?02:20
Kubuntu-fan_John, right click on your desktop02:21
john223333Then?02:22
Kubuntu-fan_do you see the option there?02:22
Kubuntu-fan_If not right click on the lower panel and look for ...02:22
john223333Yeah, which one do I select?02:22
Kubuntu-fan_panel-options/penel-settings02:22
Kubuntu-fan_panel-options/panel-settings02:23
john223333Ok, I am in panel settings... now what do I need to do?02:24
john223333ok, now I am in panel settings02:28
john223333What do I need to do?02:28
precubcrHElp i cant make work the intel gma 3150 on BT402:28
Kubuntu-fanmy isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...02:28
Kubuntu-fanJohn, early you posted here about a 'long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be,' ... did you manage to get rid of that if so how?02:29
Kubuntu-fanon the widget itself, can you right click or does it show you an animation when you mouse over the widget?02:29
john223333unfortunately the line is still there as well02:30
Kubuntu-fanJohn, have you tried a reboot or "restart" to clear your desktop of the line?02:30
john223333Yes02:30
john223333When I right click on the widget, it gives me options about desktop settings and adjusting date/time02:31
Kubuntu-fanokay john, can you explain does your bottom panel look as it did when you first install Kubuntu?02:32
john223333Yes02:32
Kubuntu-fanJohn, and you have tried installing a background image?02:33
Kubuntu-fanunder rightclick/desktop settings02:33
john223333Yes, that's where the problem is.  The backgrounds have a line on them, but there is no line in a photo viewer.  So there's something on the desktop causing this02:34
john223333Right now there's the line problerm as well as an analog clock widget on the desktop... both driving me crazy02:35
Kubuntu-fan_[repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...02:39
john223333Hey Kubuntu fan, thanks for trying to help.  The line is gone for now, but I still have the analog clock on my desktop02:39
Kubuntu-fan_Ok John, is this a widget you tried to add earlier?02:40
john223333Well, it's a widget I was trying to remove earlier02:41
Kubuntu-fan_rightclick desktop/activities02:42
Kubuntu-fan_is that widget in that activities frame?02:42
john223333No, just the desktop02:43
Kubuntu-fan_okay close that "activities"02:43
john223333Ok02:44
Kubuntu-fan[repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ...02:48
Kubuntu-fanrightclick desktop/add widgets02:48
Kubuntu-fanDo you see analog clock version 1.0 (by the plasma team)?02:48
Kubuntu-fanplasma.kde.org (http://plasma.kde.org/)02:48
ansgar_hi, i was hoping that 4.6 would fix my problem but it has persisted across several versions of kde. i've got a weird problem where the screen doesn't refresh or redraw properly. it's hard to explain so i've made an album here: http://imgur.com/a/yZXGp does anyone have any suggestions?02:48
john223333Yeah02:49
john223333The problem is that the position on the desktop causes it to go below the "add widgets" panel02:49
john223333So I can't interact with it02:49
Kubuntu-fanokay john, can we try to adjust your desktop resolution, what is your current resolution?02:50
ansgar_or barring suggestions, has anyone seen anything like it?02:51
john2233331280*102402:51
Kubuntu-fanJohn is that your max resolution?02:52
john223333Yes02:52
john223333Can we not edit a config ile in nano?02:52
Kubuntu-fanJohn, are you currently at your max resolution ... Also how many desktops do you have for your set up currently 2 or 4?02:53
john2233332 desktops02:53
john223333And yes, 1280x1024 is the max02:53
ansgar_should i head over to dev to ask about this?03:01
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp resolving new ip03:01
Kubuntu-fanansgar that does look weird03:01
Kubuntu-fanhow long you have this issue?03:01
Kubuntu-fanjohn you still here?03:02
john223333yeah03:02
john223333Still have the widget to where I can't do anything with it03:02
john223333Can we not edit a file in nano?03:02
Kubuntu-fanJohn it sounds like it is located under your display or to the side of your display or is it in the middle?03:02
Kubuntu-fanpossibly yes03:03
ansgar_several months, i've gone through kde 4.5.4, 4.5.5 and now 4.6.0 with this issue. it's impossible to capture it with a screencap because as soon as the focus switches, it corrects.03:03
john223333Yeah, it goes under the settings03:03
john223333Whenever I bring them up03:03
john223333This is really irritating03:03
ansgar_i've just been sure to have two windows open and alt-tab twice to see what i want to see03:03
Kubuntu-fanansgar, do you have an ati product for video card (and did you try to install custom configuration at one time)?03:04
ansgar_no, intel gma4500 on a latitude e650003:04
ansgar_no customization whatsoever03:04
ansgar_i always get the intel video because it's supposedly so well supported03:05
ansgar_it was suggested to me once to create a new user account to test it with. i have done that but it had no effect03:05
Kubuntu-fanyeah ansgar, you have some good images, I would ask for some support formally ...they will likely give you a thread location and you can log back in there to get updates on the solution, interact with development03:05
ansgar_ok, i'll give it a shot. thanks03:06
Kubuntu-fanJohn, is it the same on each desktop,?03:06
john223333Yes03:07
john223333This is really bothersome03:07
john223333Thinking of going to windows if I can't figure this simple thing out... I mean it's just a small little clock03:07
john223333I can't move it, uninstall it, nothing03:07
Kubuntu-fanok lets try some jiggering in the system settings.03:07
john223333Ok I'm in system settings now03:08
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp resolving new ip03:12
john223333Ok, I'm in system settings now03:12
Kubuntu-fanokay try 'window behavior'03:13
Kubuntu-fanWorkspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior03:13
Kubuntu-fan(confirm)03:13
marryhi03:16
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp resolving dynamic ip refresh03:20
Kubuntu-fansorry about that John03:20
Kubuntu-fanyou still there?03:20
john223333Yeah, sorry, lost connection myself03:20
john223333Just got into window behavior03:21
Kubuntu-fanWorkspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/VirtualDesktops/03:21
Kubuntu-fanis "Different Widgets for Each Desktop" selected or deselected?03:21
john223333I just selected and applied now03:22
Kubuntu-fanokay good03:22
Kubuntu-fanJohn are you on a good cpu?03:22
Kubuntu-fanif so, lets give you 4 instead of 2 virtual desktops03:22
Kubuntu-fan'apply'03:23
Kubuntu-fango down to "screen edged"03:23
Kubuntu-fanerrr "screen edges"03:23
john223333Ok, on screen edges now03:24
Kubuntu-fanalong the top three, righ click and select ...03:24
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel03:32
Kubuntu-fanJohn are you still here sir?03:32
john223333OK, I am waiting to know what to select along the top 3 boxes when I right click03:32
Kubuntu-fandesktop grid03:33
Kubuntu-fandesktop grid or all desktops, keep that in mind for later, but for now select all to be desktop grid and the middle right to also be desktop grid03:34
Kubuntu-fan"apply"03:34
john223333all 8?03:34
john223333Or just the top 3 and middle right?03:34
Kubuntu-fanno, just the top 303:35
Kubuntu-fanyes and middle right03:35
Kubuntu-fanthat is what will be selected when you slide your mouse pointer to those "screen edges"03:35
john223333Ok, did it and applied03:35
Kubuntu-fanright now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops03:35
Kubuntu-fanokay lets close that and look at one of your desktops03:36
john223333Ok, done03:36
Kubuntu-fandesktop number 1 will probably be the default03:36
Kubuntu-fanis you analogue clock issue still apparent to you on desktop 1?03:37
Kubuntu-fanis your analogue clock issue*03:37
john223333Yeah, still has this wonderful widget03:37
Kubuntu-fanok wheel mouse down one or two click and watch the virtual desktops on the lower left panel03:37
Kubuntu-fanyou should switch from desktop 1 to desktop 2 or 303:38
john223333Yeah, switching works03:38
Kubuntu-fanso then I understand you to say, that the widget is NOT on those other desktops03:39
Kubuntu-fanjust desktop 103:39
john223333yes03:39
Kubuntu-fanokay that is something03:39
Kubuntu-fan:)03:39
Kubuntu-fandrag your mouse to the right edge middle and see if you can effect the desktop grid03:39
Kubuntu-fanright now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops03:40
john223333Nothing happens there03:41
john223333I really just want to delete the widget from my desktop and be done with it03:42
Kubuntu-fan_[please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel03:45
john223333Nothing happens to the grid03:46
john223333Can I just remove the widget from 1 desktop?03:46
john223333This is really making me want to go back to windows03:46
Kubuntu-fan_Well this is a buggy desktop plasma on KDE03:46
john223333Ok...03:46
Kubuntu-fan_I was going to try to give you some settings that will cause the bug to come to heel with the settings and maybe you can have control over it or it acts better so you can deal with it03:47
john223333All software is buggy because no programmer is perfect03:47
john223333Can I *move* the widget in any way?03:48
john223333Or delete it manually from a config file?03:48
Kubuntu-fan_You have said earlier, it was off the screen or out of your ability to touch it with the mouse?03:48
john223333Yes03:48
john223333It's on the screen, but becomes covered up when I go to "add widgets"03:48
Kubuntu-fan_ahhhh ... so it is an issue of being at the bottom of the display03:49
john223333Right03:49
Kubuntu-fan_so when you right click on it or mouse over, is there any animation that occurs?03:50
john223333No... just the calendar pops up03:50
Kubuntu-fan_like a small panel with some icons appear?03:50
john223333No, unfortunately not03:50
john223333Seems like it is locked03:50
Kubuntu-fan_okay then right click on the icon, what happens when you select lock again?03:51
john223333nothing at all03:52
Kubuntu-fan_try a second time or a third time, does it become unlocked?03:53
john223333holy shit03:53
john223333that did it03:53
john223333excuse my language, but thank you03:53
john223333awesome!!!03:53
Kubuntu-fan_sure ... i am glad to help you get rid of that pesty widget03:54
Kubuntu-fan_a plight on a desktop to be sure03:54
Kubuntu-fan_John, do you have cube effect working to your benefit yet?03:54
john223333no i do not03:55
Kubuntu-fan_You are only a few settings away from a nice desktop experience if you have the cpu and video card to drive 4 virtual desktops03:55
Kubuntu-fan_You have the settings in place, that will currently allow you do have 4 unique desktop background images03:55
john223333how do i access that?03:56
Kubuntu-fan_we adjusted that in the "window behavior"03:57
john223333only benefit is 4 desktop images?03:58
Kubuntu-fanyou can get a number of wall paper or if you have your own, you can navigate to your preferred images. ... (there is one folder you should put them in though to simplify the location of your unique wall papers).04:02
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel04:02
ansgar_Kubuntu-fan: incidentally, if you see anyone with that issue, disabling compositing worked. compositing using xrender instead of opengl also worked.04:03
ansgar_thanks again04:03
Kubuntu-fanansgar, say again... can you give more detail?04:04
ansgar_not sure what else there is.04:04
Kubuntu-fanWorkspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/DesktopEffects  ...advanced tabs?04:04
ansgar_yes, switch opengl to xrender04:04
ansgar_under compositing type04:05
Kubuntu-fanoh yes04:05
Kubuntu-fanand what else?04:05
Kubuntu-fanthank you for coming back here04:05
ansgar_it's not as fancy, no blur and a few  other things, but it'll give drop shadows and basic transparency04:05
Kubuntu-fanis there a thread you located that was helpful or did you open a new request?04:05
ansgar_no, i was googling the problem but couldn't find anything really similar but it struck me that it happened for apps of all types:04:06
ansgar_qt, gtk, everything04:06
ansgar_so that made it a kwin issue04:06
ansgar_toggling compositing with alt-shift-f12 was the next step04:07
ansgar_that worked so i mentioned it as a workaround in the devel room04:07
ansgar_lol, that was when they actually started talking to me. they said intel support was downhill lately following some kind of redesign.04:08
ansgar_one of them then suggested enabling compositing but changing the type04:08
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel04:10
ansgar_i hope this works for others as well.04:10
Kubuntu-fanansgar, did you 'disable functionality checks' ...?04:10
Kubuntu-fanansgar, when you switched from 'OpenGL' to 'Xrender', did you also have to change any of the OpenGL Options or the "smooth scalling" in the XRender Options area?04:12
ansgar_ok, in the spirit of experimenting i have reenabled opengl and enabled "use vsync" which has a promising ring to it04:21
ansgar_holy smokes. it works04:23
ansgar_wow the help page for desktop effects was written by captain obvious, lol04:24
ansgar_maybe they didnt know what each option does04:25
Kubuntu-fan[please repost] isp is changing ip frequently, irc channel is dropping me for 3 to 5 minutes04:30
Kubuntu-fanansgar, did you recover any quality when you enabled "use vsync"04:31
ansgar_yes, it looks like that was what i needed. blur, etc works and i haven't experienced anything yet04:32
ansgar_continued testing hasn't found any further problems. everything looks good from here04:47
luis_hi05:03
FloridaGuyis there any systen service package to shut services down..?05:46
lemonany Chinese chatroon05:46
edgyhi,  any one with experience in csf/lfd?06:56
DarthFrogI don't think I could even spell it.  :-)06:57
coder2Hello07:09
coder2My system version is 10.04. I have updated KDE4.4.3 to 4.5. Now I have odd desktop layout. Looks like there are 2 overlaying plasma desktops on my screen. How to get rid of the mess?07:11
susundbergi would try to remove .kde directory -- but that will take all your settings as weel07:12
susundbergweel == well07:12
susundberg(just rename the .kde to .kde_test and relogin)07:12
coder2Is there less destructive way?07:12
susundbergprobably, but i do not have any clue what07:13
valoriehow about logging in with a new user?07:13
coder2valorie: I'm almost sure that a new user will get a correct desktop layout. But I want my other settings kept.07:14
valoriewell then, howe about logging in as a new user, take a copy of your .kde folder there07:16
valorieand then in your own user, compare them?07:16
valorieI have done pretty much the same thing, very successfully07:17
susundbergor you could just try to edit the activities etc07:17
coder2Ok. Adding a new user....07:17
susundbergif that does not help, i would really say easiest is to do the 'merge' with new .kde07:17
susundbergwell you could have just renamed your own .kde directory and re log in with same user ...07:18
valoriealso, you could just do as susundberg suggested, and then start copying what you like from .kde_test back to .kde07:18
susundbergthere are so many ways! :)07:18
valoriebasically the same07:18
valorieyep07:18
valorieas always with KDE07:18
valorie:-)07:18
susundberg:)07:18
susundbergi currently have little bad feelings with kde as when running kdevelop, something is corrupting my stack07:19
susundbergat time to time -- causing kdevelop to crash at time to time07:19
susundbergand that crash is not reproducable, so i cannot get proper information for bugreport07:19
valorieyou might check with #kubuntu-devel about that07:20
coder2Ok. I have added a new user and logged in with KDE desktop. It has the same problem with 2 overlaying desktops!07:29
coder2Looks like KDE creates 2 desktops because  I have 2 separate X screens, but both the desktops are on the primary screen.07:30
valorietrippy!07:31
coder2And annoyance with the kscreenlocker, which is not accepting right password did my experiment painful.07:31
coder2So any ideas?07:32
valoriecoder2: perhaps you should take this straight to #plasma07:32
valoriesounds like a major bug07:32
coder2Is #plasma on the same IRC server?07:33
valorieyes07:33
valoriejust /join #plasma07:33
valoriein some clients, you can just click the channel name07:33
coder2Thanks. I'm there. How to fix kscreenlocker?07:36
valoriehmmm, sorry07:39
valorieI've never had any problems with it07:40
coder2It just does not accept right password at all. I have to kill it from a terminal07:41
coder2I was advised to update KDE to 4.6. Thinking of how to do it on lucid07:43
coder2Someone on #plasma said that 4.6 have no problems with 2 screens07:44
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yofelyou can't update the 4.6 on lucid, not supported (from us at least)07:45
yofelyou would have to upgrade to maverick and then update to 4.607:45
coder2Is there a way to rollback to 4.4.3 ?07:45
yofelwhat are you running now?07:45
coder2lucid +KDE 4.507:45
coder232-bit07:46
yofelhm, you could try to install ppa-purge from lucid-backports and see if that does the job, but I'm not sure if the KDE config files will survive that07:46
coder2Ok. Will try to upgrade to 10.1007:47
coder2Thank you. Bye.07:49
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tdnAfter installing updates yesterday, the package 'upstart' is being kept back. Why is this?09:30
t3rminat0r_helo09:53
t3rminat0r_hello09:53
rorkhi t3rminat0r_09:56
t3rminat0r_rork, man, I face a weird problem09:56
t3rminat0r_http://picturepush.com/public/498052009:56
ct529t3rminat0r_: what is exit code 13?09:57
rorkt3rminat0r_: you can ask your questions here without someone answering your greetings. Please be a more specific what's your question about in that case. I unfortunately know nothing about eclipse/java09:59
t3rminat0r_wrong version of java09:59
t3rminat0r_the point is09:59
t3rminat0r_that java is not installed correctly09:59
t3rminat0r_although it's the most recent one :S10:00
t3rminat0r_I downloaded the packaged10:00
t3rminat0r_I installed the bin file10:00
t3rminat0r_and I changed manually all the soft links10:00
t3rminat0r_is anything wrong on this procedure?10:00
valoriet3rminat0r_: I think you are asking in the wrong channel10:02
valoriethis is a kubuntu help channel; you might have better luck in #java10:02
Space_Mantdn: it appears that some other people are also having problems with upstart http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679717&page=210:07
tdnSpace_Man, ok. Not sure what it means. I'll just wait and see if it goes away.10:09
ct529t3rminat0r_: eclipse works fine on my machine with the java packaged with kubuntu,(OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.4) (6b20-1.9.4-0ubuntu1~10.04.1))10:12
t3rminat0r_thanx ct52910:13
t3rminat0r_however I need the most recent SUN java10:13
t3rminat0r_for my applications10:13
ct529t3rminat0r_: di you uninstall all the other java, and set the CLASSPATH?10:14
ct529t3rminat0r_: what verisonare you using?10:14
t3rminat0r_I didn't set any classpath10:14
t3rminat0r_(I set JAVA_HOME, though)10:14
t3rminat0r_1.6.0....2310:14
ct529t3rminat0r_: could you run java -version?10:15
t3rminat0r_yes10:16
t3rminat0r_it works10:16
t3rminat0r_and gives the right figures10:16
ct529t3rminat0r_: a good channel for these type of problems is #eclipse, there is someone called rcjsuen who is very helpful.10:17
ct529t3rminat0r_: yes, I hope it works .... could you pastebin the whole output?10:17
t3rminat0r_ct529, thanx for your help10:18
t3rminat0r_I took the initiative and I installed JRE again10:18
t3rminat0r_and now it works10:18
t3rminat0r_(previously I had only installed Jdk)10:18
ct529t3rminat0r_: ok, good10:19
t3rminat0r_impov jdk included jre....10:19
t3rminat0r_anyway...10:19
t3rminat0r_thanx for the (implicit) motivation10:19
ct529t3rminat0r_: :-) good luck10:21
ct529did you see opensuse going rolling? are we thinking of doing the same? Mark Shuttleworth had hinted at something similar some time ago10:21
valoriect529: no10:24
ct529valorie: pity .... it is a very good idea10:25
valoriewhat he was talking about was letting apps update more often10:25
valorietheir entire structure is set up to get the new release done in 6 months10:26
valoriebut the apps don't need to be tied to that10:26
valorieso it might become more of a mix10:26
* valorie used to use gentoo -- kubuntu is much better!10:26
valorieand releases are part of why10:26
valorieI do build amarok and the sound stuff10:27
valoriebut would hate to have to build everything, all the time, again10:27
valorieif you want rolling, why aren't you using Arch?10:27
valorieisn't that rolling *buntu?10:28
alvinI used to use Gentoo too. Kubuntu is easier to use, but buggier. Ubuntu doesn't get reliable 'boot and shutdown'. (K)Ubuntu has good features, but Gentoo's init system is way more reliable.10:28
ct529valorie: he told Linux Format, apparently ....10:29
ct529valorie: well, release every 6 months is not exactly rolling10:29
valorieI read the article10:29
ct529valorie: I am finding it very uncomfortable o production machines .... I am thinking of switching to arch10:29
valorieoops, sec10:29
valoriebrrrr, 26F outside!10:35
Tm_Tvalorie: don't even begin...10:35
* Tm_T looks all the snow outside10:35
valorieno snow, just clear and cold -- cold for the Seattle area, at least10:36
alvinAre there any early adopters of KDE 4.6 here who can edit their bookmarks in konsole/konqueror/krdc,... without trouble?10:38
valoriebookmarks in konsole?10:41
valoriehmmm10:41
valoriewhat would one bookmark in konsole?10:42
valorieI see the tab, but ?10:42
ct529valorie: what do you mean by rolling *buntu is Arch?10:43
ct529alvin: did you notice any performance difference between Gentoo and Kubuntu? what mad eyou switch?10:43
alvinct529: Ease of administration made me switch. Maintenance of 50 servers gets hard when compiling. Performance is difficult to say. It's a long time ago. However, Ubuntu does have critical problems when doing heavy IO. It crashed my servers more than once. There are several bug reports standing, but there's nothing conclusive yet.10:46
ct529alvin: we have some machines we use for simulation, I was wondering whether a compiled distribution would increase the performance10:47
alvinvalorie: Why would one bookmark in konsole? I have a lot of bookmarks there. Paths, other servers (ssh),...10:47
valoriecool, I 'll have to learn to use that10:47
valorieI just tried making, editing bookmarks in rekonq in 4.6 -- no problem10:47
alvinct529: Only tests will tell you that. A lot depends on the kernel. I hear Ubuntu's compiler options are well chosen.10:48
valoriewhat difficulties are you encountering?10:48
alvinWhen I want to edit a bookmark, it jumps back to the root of keditbookmarks as soon as I type 1 character10:48
ct529alvin: do you have the same IO problems with ubuntu server edition?10:48
alvinSame with adding a bookmark10:48
valoriehmmm, did not see anything like that10:48
alvinct529: I'm talking mainly about the server edition. It uses another IO scheduler, but symptoms are the same. Insane load, then kernel errors and crashes.10:49
ct529alvin: do you have a good pointer to documentation for recompiling the kubuntu kernel? I would like to keep using kubuntu, but recompile the kernel, with optimisation (but keep all the kubuntu kernel patches)10:50
alvinvalorie: Do you know a desktop recording software for Kubuntu? I can try to record. it's not easy to describe. I can put a little movie online.10:50
ct529alvin: rekordmydesktop10:50
alvinct529: I don't have that, but I do think such a document exists. You can probably find something at https://help.ubuntu.com/10:50
alvinct529: Let's try10:50
ct529alvin: sorry, recordmydesktop10:51
* alvin is installing recordmydesktop10:51
* alvin is reading the man page10:52
ct529alvin: it is very simple, just fire it up :-D10:53
ct529alvin: but it uses a lot of resources10:54
valoriesorry alvin, but I don't10:54
valorieyou might find some help in #kubuntu-devel10:54
alvinHere is a 2MB movie where you can see the problem: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/296786/keditbookmarks-4.6.ogv10:58
t3rminat0r_can I build a project throught it git?10:59
t3rminat0r_*its10:59
ct529does anyone know how to set up a fixed ip address for a kubuntu laptop? I have always used DHCP11:21
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ct529I would like to move from a DHCP based network to a fixed IP address network on our home network11:30
alvinct529: Put the configuration in /etc/network/interfaces (see http://www.debian-administration.org/article/254/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup)11:30
ct529has anyone a pointer to good documentation?11:30
ct529alvin: do you know whether it is possible to force association of a MAC address to an IP address?11:31
alvinct529: Ah, that. Yes, it is. you have to do that in your router11:31
alvinIf your router is a Linux machine, I'd recommend dnsmasq. (I use M0n0wall on a Soekris board myself)11:32
ct529alvin: this flipping router does not support it :-(11:32
alvinThen it won't work. Throw out the router.11:33
ct529alvin: Ideally, I would like to do that .... if I had the money for a new one :-D11:33
alvinI know the pain. My ISP introduced new modems, with built in routers. Things like that were impossible. I demanded a modem-only model and got one.11:33
ct529alvin: on the other hand, do you think it is possible to set up static IP addresses and let the DHCP resolve the DNS for itnernet connection?11:33
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alvinActually, routers are very cheap nowadays.11:34
alvinAh, hmm...  It's probably possible.11:34
alvinBut why do that?11:34
asd__heyyy11:34
ct529alvin: because we fix IP addresses I could reroute some protocols to specific machines11:35
ct529alvin: like ftp from the office always goes to machine number 311:35
alvinYes, but I meant the DNS servers. Those are mostly very fixed.11:35
ct529alvin: are they?11:36
ct529alvin: where do I find them?11:36
alvinMost of the time, yes.11:36
alvinIn /etc/resolv.conf11:36
alvinYou also set them there. Using dhcp would overwrite the file.11:36
ct529alvin: but then, every time I change them I have to go on all machines11:36
alvinIf you change the address of the DNS server, yes. But are there your DNS servers?11:37
alvinusually your router is DNS (or forwarding), and your ISP also has DNS servers11:37
alvinYour ISP will most likely not change the IP's of their DNS servers for years.11:38
ct529alvin: yes, exactly .... the DNS are set by the ISP11:38
ct529alvin: I would like to router to pass them to the hosts11:38
alvinDoesn't it do that?11:39
alvinIf you use static IP on your machines, just set the IP address of the router as the address of the DNS server.11:39
ct529alvin: oh, OK thanks11:40
ct529alvin: do I have to disable the DHCP on the router?11:40
alvinNo, you don't. You can change the range, but even that is not really necessary.11:40
ct529alvin: my addresses are all of the type 192.168.2.xxx .... what netmask do I have to use? is 255.255.255.0 good?11:41
alvinYes11:41
ct529alvin: and the gateway becomes the router itself11:41
alvinIndeed11:41
alvinIf you want thorough documentation, read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html11:42
ct529alvin: thanks you are a star11:43
ct529alvin: I have always used dhcp, so I never had to do it before11:43
ct529alvin: thanks a lot!11:43
alvinct529: np :-)11:43
alvinCan any Kontact user with KDE 4.6 test something small for me? 'Open a mail > Press print' Do you see a print dialog?12:13
ct529alvin: hi, sorry, another question .... is there a way to strip back / clean an installation?12:27
ct529alvin: to a default kubuntu installtion I mean12:27
ct529alvin: hi, sorry, another question .... is there a way to strip back / clean an installation?12:28
ct529alvin: to a default kubuntu installtion I mean12:28
alvinct529: Not that I know of. You can install ubuntu-minimal only, but kubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-standard12:28
ct529alvin: I see, thanks .... I am having difficulties with skype, and was wondering whether one of the other packages was interacting with any of the libraries12:29
alvinThat wouldn't surprise me12:29
ct529alvin: the audio works perfectly well, but with skype it does not12:30
alvinct529: I use Skype on the N900. Never worked good on Kubuntu. It's hit-and-miss12:31
ct529alvin: oh good, it is not only me ....12:31
alvinwhat's worse: I can no longer print. Bug 403169 is part of the problem, but Kontact just crashes before showing me a print dialog.12:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403169 in kdeadmin (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Adding printer via "Printer Configuration" tool results in invalid printers.conf, JobSheets entry incorrect" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40316912:31
alvinct529: No, you'll probably find some bug reports on the subject12:31
ct529alvin: it happened to me in the past, had to reinstall kmail12:31
ct529alvin: oh, another question abot what you were telling me about the network! If I go for the static IP address, when I use the laptops on another network, can they use the DHCP?12:32
ct529alvin: so that I can use them both on the home network, with static IPs, and on the office network, with DHCP12:33
alvinOf course, if you set them back to DHCP on the other networks :-)12:33
alvinI think you can use network-manager for things like that12:33
ct529alvin: so, I have to set them back manually12:33
alvinBut I've never done it12:33
ct529alvin: thanks a lot again12:33
alvinYes, but network-manager can maybe help you with that.12:33
ct529alvin: thanks12:34
alvinkontact crashes, plasma crashes, ksystemsettings crashes,... keditbookmarks is posessed. KDE 4.6 does not like me.12:38
alvinTime to reinstall debugging packages12:44
Chemicalvamp!sound12:53
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP312:53
ahmtblblhi all13:09
ahmtblbli have some problem about glom13:09
ahmtblblanybody use glom on ubuntu 10.10?13:09
alvinahmtblbl: Never heard of it before, but thanks for sharing. It looks interesting.13:12
ahmtblblalvin did u hear before "filemaker"13:19
ahmtblblit seams like filemaker13:19
ahmtblbland i want to use it13:20
ahmtblblbut i couldnt13:20
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shane4ubuntuok, I know I have seen 'how to's' on this, but they are all old, in thunderbird 3.x.x from the repos, I put my signature in a reply above the quote, below my reply and it doesn't do it???  Anyone else use thunderbird with signature?14:10
alvinWhy would you put a signature anywhere but at the bottom of a mail?14:13
shane4ubuntuWell now, don't everyone jump at once! :)14:13
shane4ubuntualvin: oops, you replied before I hit return14:14
alvinlol14:14
tsimpsona signature can't go anywhere but at the bottom14:14
shane4ubuntualvin: no I don't want the sig at the bottom, I want it under my reply, but TB doesn't seem to agree with me14:14
tsimpsonotherwise the quote will be interpreted as part of the signature14:14
shane4ubuntuI use my signature as a signature, and I always reply above the quote, and my sig should be under my reply.14:15
shane4ubuntuSo in TB, I went in and configured it so that my reply is above the quote, my sig is under my reply, and it doesn't work14:16
alvinWell, if the signature is under your reply, it will always be at the bottom so long as you follow RFC 185514:16
tsimpsonI'd guess it's enforced by thunderbird that the sig always goes at the end of the message (not the end of the reply)14:16
alvinAh, you're a top-poster.14:16
shane4ubuntutsimpson: actually they allow for it to be under your reply in the options14:16
alvinDon't go anywhere near usenet14:16
shane4ubuntuactually everyone I email and they respond are top posters14:16
alvinYes, Outlook users are. (Also, don't subscribe to mailing lists)14:17
shane4ubuntuI find that when I respond under the quote they can't even find my message14:17
tsimpsonyou can trim the quote ;)14:17
tsimpsonI gave up on email clients recently, I just use the web interfaces these days14:17
shane4ubuntuWell according to this: http://community.contractwebdevelopment.com/thunderbird-reply-above-quote   TB should work fine, and it isn't, on my laptop it does fine14:18
alvinI know that some people will not find the message, but that's still no reason to do it the wrong way. Give people an example.14:18
shane4ubuntuTriming the quote is not an option, I use email on a very regular basis to keep up with stuff (work, home, family etc.) and it is too much14:18
shane4ubuntuin the hundreds of emails I receive and respond too, no one, no one does it the 'right' way14:19
alvinAlways be strict when sending. Do it right. A mail can be large, but you can use >, >> and >>> and so on to keep it readable. Thunderbird has a good add-on (quote colors) to help with that.14:19
shane4ubuntuthe issue is not whether it is right or wrong, the issue is TB is not acting the way it is supposed to14:19
alvinThen you don't frequent mailing lists :-)14:20
shane4ubuntuNo, not the tech guys mailing list, other list yes, and they all do it the way I'm trying to14:20
shane4ubuntuthat is not the point,14:20
shane4ubuntuthunderbird is not working correctly, and it works fine on my laptop, that is the point14:21
alvinYou don't need to have compassion with Outlook Express users. Be tolerant when receiving their mail. (up to a point). It's still no reason to do it wrong yourself.14:21
shane4ubuntubut since I only use my laptop to travel, I want TB to be configured correctly on my desktop14:21
alvinWell, you're right. That wasn't your question14:21
alvinStill I thought Thunderbird can be configured to do it the Microsoft Way.14:22
shane4ubuntuthat is what I'm saying, Thunderbird (TB) can be configured, I did configure it, and it isn't listening14:22
shane4ubuntuwhen I hit reply my sig appears at the top for a split second and then jumps to the bottom, and I have to cut and paste it back in14:23
shane4ubuntuI tried the fix on the web page I posted, and it was already set that way, and didn't help.14:23
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shane4ubuntuahh, so that is all I get preached at about 'right and wrong way of email sigs replys' and no help, nice.14:26
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alvinWell, if it's in an RFC, it's a software feature. That means that it's very well possible that it's supposed to work like that. (Can't help much btw. I'm a KMail user)14:50
BluesKajHowdy14:54
shane4ubuntualvin: that is understandable if you don't use TB, that was why I asked in the beginning, found the prob, turns out it was an addon (Signature Switch) that always puts the Sig at the bottom, switched to Quick Text for my Signature switching (Spanish/English Signature)14:55
shane4ubuntualvin: RFC?14:55
alvinYes, the method of posting is actually described in RFC 1855. That's not a rule. More a set of guidelines. Still, these guidelines are being followed by usenet, mailing lists and software.14:57
shane4ubuntualvin: ahh, ok.  Probably safe to say that the majority (at least in my address book) know nothing of this rfc. :)14:58
alvinLet's say that the people ad Redmond who programmed Outlook (Express) were probably unaware of it's existence.14:59
shane4ubuntulol, probably very very true.15:05
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JuJuBeeI was in the middle of installing ubuntu-desktop and about 70% done when my laptop just shut off.  This is new isntall of 10.1015:57
JuJuBeeCan I pick up where I left off?  It was still downloading packages15:57
iulian_+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++16:06
PiciJuJuBee: It should pick up where it left off if it was still downloading the packages.16:07
JuJuBeePici: well, it didnt it started at the beginning again.  It is done downloading now and installing so no biggie I guess.  thanks for reply though16:08
PiciJuJuBee: Odd.16:08
lemonany Chinese chatroom16:16
rork!cn | lemon16:16
ubottulemon: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道:打字 /join #ubuntu-cn 或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-tw  或者 打字 /join #ubuntu-hk16:16
neil__quick silly question (google was zero help)... I want to upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04, in ubuntu very easy in terminal, how can I do it in Kubuntu?16:38
tsimpsonneil__: the exact same way16:40
StFSHi, I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10 and I'm having a hard time with KMix. If I set it to anything >0% it blasts the sound really loud, otherwise its mute. I can watch in alsamixer that the PCM channel jumps between 0% and 100% when I move the KMix slider between 0% and maybe 2% it rockets up.. and when I go further (say 10% the "Master" channel in alsamixer starts to rise)16:41
neil__tsimpson: sudo update-manager -d -c doesn't work :/16:41
tsimpsonneil__: in what way doesn't work?16:41
tsimpsonoh, that's not the command line way, that the gui way16:42
neil__tsimpson: update-manager is not found... suspect KDE doesn't use it... only ubuntu...16:42
neil__tsimpson: hmmm... true... guess it is the gui way... so u know the terminal way? :)16:43
tfirkinsHello, I have a question(s) about manual partitioning during installation from a Kubuntu 10.10 Live CD16:45
tsimpsonneil__: one sec16:48
tfirkinsIt looks like the Live installer offers only to erase and use entire disk or relies on the user to have the partition table memorized. I have an existing 10.04 installation and I want a fresh 10.10 installation to the same partition, without disturbing NTFS partitions. I'm not confident about how to enter the partition info. I DO have a complete disk image (backup).16:51
neil__tsimpson: just run do-release-upgrade and added a -d and something is happening... cheers16:52
tsimpsonneil__: kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d"16:52
tsimpsonfor the GUI version16:52
iulian_sudo aptitude update&&sudo aptitude upgrade16:52
tfirkinsI have tried that twice with strange results, and it takes forever. I want to try fresh install and then upgrade to KDE 4.6 from there.16:53
tsimpsontfirkins: there is the option to install without formatting in the partitioner options16:53
neil__thanks... IRC server going down for maintenance... catch u guys later16:55
tfirkinsbummer, just getting good16:55
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Captain_Haddocklucid: ran a standard update which included a kernel update (IIRC) and now I cannot log back into my system.  I get a Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) error.16:59
Captain_HaddockGoogle tells me that this is a GRUB issue. Can somebody please help me fix this?16:59
Captain_HaddockI have this thing called a SuperGRUB disk which I've used in the past... but the default options do not seem to help. I'll need to do some customising.16:59
BluesKajCaptain_Haddock, best to use the live-cd if you have one to restore grub17:06
BluesKaj!grubfix17:06
BluesKaj!grub217:06
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub217:06
shane4ubuntuok, quick question, I have two monitors, setup side by side, I can drag windows from one to the other, how do I control which monitor a window opens on to?  seems to be random.  I have nvidia driver installed.17:06
shane4ubuntuis there a way to set this?17:07
shane4ubuntuCaptain_Haddock: you should be able to log in via the older kernel, they are left on the system for that reason17:08
BluesKajshane4ubuntu, dunno , try #nvidia17:08
shane4ubuntuCaptain_Haddock: in the boot menu, select one of the lower in the list kernels17:08
tsimpsonI think there are settings for that in the Display module in system settings17:08
BluesKajshane4ubuntu, he can't get to a grub menu17:08
tsimpsonunder "Multiple Monitors"17:08
Captain_Haddockshane4ubuntu , BluesKaj : I don't get to the screen where I have those options to choose kernels.17:09
thrall_I have two monitors set up side by side, but when I reboot it forgets the settings and reboots with the screens as clones. Does anyone know how to fix this?17:09
Captain_Haddockshane4ubuntu: BluesKaj : I seem to be able to get those options with the SuperGrubdisk.. but selecting older kernels seems to have no effect.17:09
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: usually the kernel panic error is after grub17:09
BluesKajCaptain_Haddock, try rebooting and holding down the shift key to get the grub menu17:09
shane4ubuntuCaptain_Haddock: is it hidden, maybe try hitting esc key to show the menu?17:09
shane4ubuntuthrall_: do you have nvidia?  and set it up with the nvidia thing?  view the xorg.conf file and save it to a location you have permissions to save it too, then move it to the /etc/X11/ location with sudo on command line.17:11
shane4ubuntuthrall_: that will fix it.17:11
BluesKajnvidia thing?17:11
thrall_shane4ubuntu: I don't think I've come across any nvidia things17:12
Captain_Haddockshane4ubuntu: BluesKaj still experimenting with this disk... One of the older kernels seems to get a little further... Now I've been dropped into a busybox shell17:12
Captain_HaddockDoes that help a little bit?17:12
shane4ubuntuthrall_: hmm, then I'm not sure, I have nvidia, and it didn't save it to the xorg.conf settings because of permissions errors, that is a work around but may be specific for nvidia.17:13
shane4ubuntuCaptain_Haddock: booting of Super Grub Disk?  or Ubuntu Live CD?17:14
Captain_HaddockSuper Grub17:14
shane4ubuntuCaptain_Haddock: I'm not sure about that, what I meant was booting directly off the harddrive17:14
BluesKajthrall_, look in kmenu/applications/system / nvidia X server17:15
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: did you like that?  nvidia thing. :)  Nvidia setup menu thing lol, sorry couldn't come up with the name of it off the top of my head.17:15
thrall_shane4ubuntu: I set the displays via System Settings > Displays and Monitors, but it might be a similar issue.  I'll take a look at the xorg.conf file17:15
shane4ubuntuthrall_: hmm, back that file up before messing with it, I tried to set mine up with that too, and had the same problem, not sure what the fix is for that.17:16
thrall_shane4ubuntu: ok thanks17:17
Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: ooh, SHIFT helps... recovery mode for the latest kernel = kernel panic17:17
BluesKajCaptain_Haddock, the super grub used to work with the old grub version , dunno about grub2 ,,try rebooting with shift key down as I said earlier , then choose the recovery kernel , then fix broken packages in the dialog that comes up\]17:17
Captain_Haddockshane4ubuntu: trying that now.17:17
Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: woohoo! .26 (normal) seems to be working.17:18
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shane4ubuntutsimpson: I see multiple monitors, but don't quite see where to set what monitor, is the Show unmanaged windows on: Display containing the Pointer    the place to set it?  gave that a try and didn't seem to work.17:19
BluesKajCaptain_Haddock, well, thank me when you get to the desktop :)17:19
Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: I've got the login prompt :)17:20
BluesKajcool! Captain_Haddock17:20
BluesKajnow you have to update , to get the kernel source driver fixed17:21
Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: running apt and there are some grub updates :o17:21
shane4ubuntutsimpson: ohh, I take that back, it seems to come up on the active desktop.17:21
tsimpsonthere seems to be a to manage it per-window, or per-application if you right-click the title bar and choose Advanced -> Advanced Window Settings or Advanced Application Settings17:22
tsimpson*a way17:22
tsimpsonI don't have a 2nd screen attached at the moment, but I think there was something there17:24
shane4ubuntutsimpson: wow, there are some complex settings in there!  I was looking for a more simple way to open window on inactive desktop, thanks for the info though17:24
shane4ubuntutsimpson: I will have to tinker with it later, I thought it was a simple thing, but looks a little more complex.17:25
tsimpsonif there's one think KDE has in buckets, it's configurability17:26
shane4ubuntuthat is for sure!17:29
thrall_shane4ubuntu: there is no xorg.conf anywhere, only xorg.conf.d . Maybe that is the problem?17:30
shane4ubuntuthrall_: no, xorg was dumped a while ago, however if one is created it will use it, I can post mine, but it could be dangerous just plugging it in as is.17:31
thrall_shane4ubuntu: so if I create a simple xorg.conf file specifying the screen setup it might work?17:33
shane4ubuntuthrall_: here is mine as a guide: http://pastebin.com/iHAm46DC    WARNING don't just blindly copy that thing it was created by my nvidia driver.  Use at your own risk. :)17:33
thrall_shane4ubuntu: ok thanks I'll study it carefully :)17:34
shane4ubuntuwith that mine boots with dual screen enabled,17:34
shane4ubuntuGood luck, don't ask me about it, as I have always hated xorg.conf files, and never had a good grasp on configuring them, editing them, or manually writing them.17:35
shane4ubuntuthrall_: ^^^17:35
BluesKajshane4ubuntu, if you want an xorg file written to the nvidia driver run sudo nvidia-xconfig17:36
thrall_shane4ubuntu: ok thanks.17:36
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BluesKajthrall_, shane4ubuntu best to toso with kdm stopped in a tty17:37
BluesKajto do so17:37
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: ahh, I think I tried that too, and I don't think it worked for some reason, I thought I read a there was a bug with the nvidia-xconfig thing, but I may be wrong about that.17:37
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: but that was a while ago I set mine up and don't mess with it, works, fine for me, but thanks for the info.17:38
divinefurytalking about ttys, why has my ttyACM0 gone missing :(?17:38
divinefury(resulting in me being unable to connect to my phone over AT using gnokii)17:39
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: ohh, that is a different command than what I used before, thanks for that tip!!!17:39
shane4ubuntuBluesKaj: I always tried to do that through the nvidia-settings thing17:39
shane4ubuntuas root, and it never would write to /etc/X1117:39
BluesKajshane4ubuntu, thrall_ like so : http://pastebin.com/kwD8VX6E17:41
Wandererhmm, installed a fresh sysstem from Maveric Download CD17:41
Wandererseems to have failed installing openssh and kde17:41
FloridaGuywasent there something ubuntu kubuntu had to make i liveusb stick17:43
davidelvjust installed kubuntu after ive been using ubuntu for years17:43
WandererFloridaGuy: usb-creator17:43
davidelvI really like it.. seems more smooth17:43
FloridaGuyWanderer: does that make from iso..or copy your system17:44
Wandererfrom iso17:44
BluesKajWanderer, failed to install kde ?17:44
Wandereryep17:45
Wandererno X, kde or such after a basic install of kubuntu desktop17:45
FloridaGuyWanderer: isent there anything that does your system...like mklivecd17:45
BluesKaj<-- not familiar with usb install procedure17:46
davidelvthere are guides on the netbook download sections17:46
davidelvto make usb install17:46
davidelvboth from windows, mac and ubuntu17:47
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Guest48821Hi, anyone knows how to make work broadcom bcm4311 on 10.10?18:11
BluesKaj!bcm18:11
ubottuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs18:11
rob0917Will the unity desktop change in ubuntu 11.04 affect kubuntu 11.04 ?18:13
macorob0917: no, unity is not kde18:13
rob0917maco: that's great,just wondered18:14
Captain_HaddockBluesKaj: all is well once again in my world.18:36
Captain_HaddockThanks mate!18:36
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Wandererhmm, can anyone help me get my sound working?   Fresh Install of Maverick and a SB Audigy19:07
Wandereradded myself to the audio group, re-log,  no change19:07
divinefuryWanderer: do you have alsaconf installed?19:10
Wanderernope,  alsactl, not conf though19:10
Wandererhmm, what package/  "apt-cache search alsaconf" comes back empty19:11
divinefuryWanderer: it does not seem to be in the repos anymore :o19:11
Wanderernasty19:11
Wandereralsactl shows the card and I can adjust settings19:12
divinefuryWanderer: does that help?19:12
Wanderernot really19:13
WandererI still have no sound19:13
yofelWanderer: can you install pavucontrol and see what that says?19:14
yofelsince we use pulseaudio by default in maverick19:14
Wandererchecking19:14
Wandererinstalled and started,  "Connection refused"19:16
yofelo.O19:16
Wandereryeah, I'm piecing this together, the base install failed to install a bunch of stuff19:16
yofelmake sure kubuntu-desktop is installed19:17
divinefuryWanderer: in kde, go to System Settings->Multimedia19:17
Wandererwell, that's going to install a lot :>19:17
Wandererupgrading 2, 359 newly installed, 1 removed19:18
divinefuryWanderer: oops, you don't have kde [scratches head]19:18
WandererI've got part of kde, just not all of it itseems19:18
Wanderermostly installing libraries and support apps (amarok?)19:18
divinefuryWanderer: was the media you were installing off, corrupt :o?19:19
Wandererdidn't say so, DVD verifcation passed19:19
Wandererand fresh download last night19:19
divinefuryWanderer: very strange19:20
Wandererok, letting that download/install,  lunch with wife19:20
Wandererback in an hour19:20
divinefurydid you somehow manage to uncheck any packages? (i remember the good ol' days of slackware where you could customize your installation :)19:21
divinefuryenjoy your meal :)19:21
yofelI had issues installing from CD here, but that failed at the beginning, funny enough, the DVD worked fine19:21
yofeldivinefury: nope, that's not supported (yet?)19:21
yofelI do remeber doing the same in suse though ^^19:21
divinefuryyofel: yeh me too (although the suse interface was a lot better and you didn't have to manually mount drives and all that) :)...and in mandriva, never really tried fedora so cant say anything about that19:23
divinefuryyofel: the best was gentoo though :p19:23
yofeloh yeah, gentoo was great, too much work to keep updated though ^^19:24
divinefuryyofel: too right, although the system was extremely customized and responsive, i don't really see the point of going through the hassle on a quad core system which was blazing fast even with windows vista (the pre-installed OS)19:27
divinefuryanyways, i will be off :)19:29
divinefurylater19:29
divinefurypeace19:29
divinefuryout19:29
FloodBotK2divinefury: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.19:29
divinefuryhahahaaa :)...ooops :)19:29
Wandererok, back, wife wanted lunch at home19:35
Wandererrebooting after all the libs installed19:35
Wandererahh, sound worked19:42
Wandererok, looks like I have to remove nouveau and use the nvidia drivers19:49
Wandereranyone know the "right" way to do that?19:49
Wandererapparantly running the bundler form nvidia is a bad thing now19:49
yofelopen jockey-kde from krunner or from the menu (called hardware drivers)19:50
yofelinstall the recommended version from there19:50
Wanderernice, ok19:51
Wandererso that'll download the latest from nvidia?19:51
yofelno, that'll install what we have in the archive, the x-updates PPA has newer versions sometimes, but usually what we have in the archive works fine19:52
yofelmaverick has 260.19.06 currently19:53
Wandererhmm, ok, had issues until I got to 260.19.3619:53
yofelubuntu-x-swat/x-updates has 270.18-0ubuntu1~maverick~xup1 which is the current beta driver19:53
Wandererif I have problems still I'll try the xupdates19:53
ct529Wanderer: do you need to sue CUDA?19:58
Wandererwhat?19:59
ct529Wanderer: sorry *use* CUDA?19:59
Wandererwhat's cuda?19:59
WandererI'm used to doing things via cmd-line, thus my holes in knowledge19:59
Wandererneed a driver? download and install from comandline... what's this gui stuff :>19:59
yofelwell, there's jockey-cli for the command line stuff too20:00
Wandereroh, looking into that :>20:00
yofelor if all breaks 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-current && sudo nvidia-xconfig'20:00
yofelbut that'll add a lot of junk in the xorg.conf20:00
Wandererwell, you have to have the right packages first :>20:00
Wandererand last time I used the built-in nvidia was quite some time ago20:01
Wandererwoah,  no X resolution20:04
Wanderer64020:05
yofeldid you reboot?20:07
Wandereryep20:07
yofelodd... can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log? (use pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log)20:08
Wanderersec, making sure everything is up to date20:08
CQhello, I can't get a windows printer to work from ubuntu... printing works fine from another windows machine, but under kubuntu, the job just shows up in teh print monitor, disappears, and nochting happens... any ideas??20:09
CQsurry, under kubuntu ... latest version20:10
murchadhHi peeps. My dolphin has stopped showing folder icons. I've found a .directory file with [Desktop Entry] which shows an icon for that containing folder but the standard .directory file in each folder seems to be missing this entry. Don't think copying this file into every directory is the answer (don't know how I'd do that anyway). Any ideas why dolphin stopped showing folder icon?20:13
Wandereryofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561579/20:13
yofel[    15.584] (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-020:16
yofelseems the driver can't read what resolutions your display supports o.O20:17
diego_Is there any spanish community?20:18
genii-around!es20:18
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.20:18
yofeldiego_: #kubuntu-es or #ubuntu-es20:18
diego_thanks20:18
diego_no one is in kubuntu-es :(20:19
diego_is there any problem running compizconfig with kubuntu 10.10?20:20
diego_because i have kubuntu 10.10 and compizconfig doesnt work for me :S20:20
Wandereryofel: ok, the 260.06 drivers work, atleast somewhat20:22
Wanderertrying wine20:22
Wandererlooking good so far20:23
diego_someone has the solution how compizconfig can work in kubuntu?20:37
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JuJuBeeWhat version of kde should I be running with 10.10?21:06
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iulian_4.5.121:08
utkuHi, I have installed Nvidia drivers but fonts look strange now. How can I re-enable nouveau again? I have tried removing nvidia and installing nouveau again but X fails to start then.21:09
JuJuBeeWhen I did an upgrade to 10.10 from 10.04 on a different machine I think it gave me 4.6.  I like the new graphics...  Can/should I upgrade to 4.6 ?21:09
sourcemakerare there known problems with kontact and kde 4.6.... kadressbook does not very well21:26
sourcemakerit seems that there is a akonadi related problem like a internal timeout...21:26
sourcemakerevery day I have to restart kontakt... otherwise there are no contacts visible21:26
florian_can i just run a dist-upgrade after adding the backports ppa to get kde 4.6?21:47
yofelflorian_: should work fine21:54
florian_yofel: ty21:55
yofeljust make sure it doesn't remove kubuntu-desktop for some reason21:55
mrothhhhow do I fsck a lvm disk22:04
james147mrothhh: run it on the virtual partition22:05
mrothhhoh22:05
mrothhhcan I do that with a ubuntu live cd22:05
james147mrothhh: i would think so22:09
BluesKajthe latest kernel 2.3.35.25 wouldn't boot on my den-pc after I did a clean install , so i deleted it ,,,strange thp22:11
BluesKajtho22:11
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FloridaGuyjust upgraded my internet speed to 8mbps....whats some good fast U.S mirrors23:26
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valoriemirrors of what, SrS?23:36
valorieoops, gone23:37
FloridaGuywhat are some good fast repo mirrors....where i can get 600+ kbps23:39
valorie!mirrors23:46
ubottuKubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php23:46
valoriehope that helps, FloridaGuy23:47
FloridaGuyvalorie: nope...dont need to download the distro.....trying to figure out good fast repo mirrors23:49
mantisehi23:49
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mantisehi23:50
mantiseKubuntu Plasma Desktop is the full normal version of kubuntu ?23:51
FloridaGuymantise: yep23:51
mantiseok, thanks :)23:52
FloridaGuywelcome23:52
FloridaGuynormaly this room in non stop chatter..now to today everyone a sleep..... well time for reboot23:53

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