[00:00] valorie: well seems that functionality is very well hidden [00:00] afief: no it does not exist [00:00] drbobb: the VBR setting you mean? [00:01] not for kde nor in a form usable for the average user [00:01] drbobb: it's new, and only works from the files to the collection for now [00:02] will work on the fly to devices later [00:02] well so it's not available [00:02] Hi all [00:02] I am having a bit of trouble with playing DVD's [00:02] http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual/AdvancedFeatures/Transcoding [00:03] yes, as of 2.4 beta [00:03] drbobb: do you have tried perl audio converter [00:04] drbobb: flac -cd "$file" | lame -h - "${file%.flac}.mp3" [00:05] drbobb: lame has only a few options, you'll want -vbr, -b and -B [00:06] Confused_Again: you'll have to be more specific [00:06] Sure, what kind of specifics would you like? [00:07] I am using Kubuntu 10.04 I upgraded from 8.04 and from something else prior to that but I have forgotten the history of releases I have installed on this machine. Sorry. [00:07] Confused_Again: what does "trouble" mean? It doesn't work? in this case what's the error message? if it does work but is suboptimal describe what's going on exactly [00:08] The DVD mounts. When I go to /media/cdrom, I can see the files, (vob's, etc.,) but when I try to play it using either Xine, totem, mplayer, vlc or anything else, I get a number of error messages. [00:08] decss is working fine. I can see the generated keys, but it just doesn't play. [00:10] wow, with ffmpeg it's quite a hassle [00:11] Here are some specimen error messages from Xine: [00:11] DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket [00:11] ERROR: Couldn't attach to DCOP server! [00:13] vlc says: [0xb7200930] main input error: ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called [00:16] Any ideas afief? [00:16] I am really amazed that there is no working GUI tool to perform this recoding task [00:17] Confused_Again: nope, I can't figure those out [00:17] Oh well... Thanks for trying. [00:17] drbobb: I gave you a one liner that does the work and allows you full customizability [00:17] drbobb, I am a little late to the party but have you tried soundconverter? It has a rather simple gui. [00:18] afief: yeah and FOR ME it's done. But the average user would be lost. [00:19] Confused_Again: I just discovered that soundconverter exists. it is not part of kde [00:20] Is that it is not part of KDE a problem? [00:20] well a slight problem [00:20] Why is that? [00:20] you have to do a bit of guesswork to discover that it exists [00:20] Confused_Again: wow that's a 2000 lines python script [00:21] apt-cache search soundconverter [00:21] and then install most of gnome for one simple app [00:21] I think that it just installs gtk+ doesn't it? [00:21] Confused_Again: I know how to use apt-cache, and YOU know what exactly to search for [00:21] most users know neither [00:22] Ok, sorry... I was just trying to help. [00:22] It does seem to be what you are trying to find though. [00:22] thank you [00:22] Confused_Again: nope it needs python-gnome2 [00:22] it does need most of gnome though [00:23] afief, those are just python bindinds for the gnome interfaces. [00:24] But again, I was just positing that it was a gui tool that managed converging audio from one format to another. [00:24] Confused_Again: yup, but the python binds won't work without the rest of the framework [00:24] Con [00:24] Confused_Again: and I'm glad you did :-) gave me a chance to look at some interesting code [00:25] By the way, it is a rate package or at least a trivial one that doesn't have some dependencies and gui packages typically have m ore. [00:25] I was just claiming that there is no user-friendly tool for the task in the kubuntu desktop currently [00:26] I meant rare in the above sentence by the way, not rate. [00:26] I vaguely recall this was easier back in kde3 [00:27] Ok, I agree. [00:28] So you limit yourself to only packages that work with KDE? [00:29] Confused_Again: you really seem to be confused, that is not the point at all [00:30] before you suggested that util I had located and tried 3 others in software center [00:30] none of them worked [00:30] I see. Then what is the point? [00:31] too bad this is not some arcane task for experts only [00:31] sooner or later nearly every user will need to do this [00:31] and most of them will fail [00:31] and will conclude that "kubuntu sucks" [00:33] drbobb: Audacity will do sound conversions easily [00:33] rats__: never used it, how would I guess that? [00:33] If you have the normal compliment of repositories in your sources.list, then there are a number of ways to find soundconverter. You an install it along with all of itse dpeendencies and then use a simple GUI to do manage most of your conversion tasks. I guess I don't see why that is an issue? [00:34] But I have to do now, so I guess I may never know. Good luck and good bye. [00:35] the issue is it takes a fair bit of patience [00:35] I am trying to install kubuntu 10.10 32 bit on my laptop currently running 10.04 64bit. I need to test a theory about some drivers I need to run my smartboard. I installed 10.10 onto another partition after much hassel and after reboot got errror "Gave up waiting for root device..." and dropped me to (initramfs) [00:35] well I'm busy too, so whatever [00:47] JuJuBee : Why not try 64 bit live cd [00:48] iulian_: I need to install a 32 bit version so I can test a driver issue. [00:49] I just got a new interactive white board for my classroom and they offer linux drivers but they won't load in 64 bit ubuntu. I want to see if they will in the 32 bit 10.10 [00:52] JuJuBee, that sounds insteresting. May i inquire the age group of the class of students? [00:53] High school 11th 12th grade [00:53] The board is called Eno by Polyvision [00:53] Umm, tough group.:) [00:54] but 32 bit in 64 bit ... [00:55] maybe dual boot is better ... [00:58] iulian_: ? what do you mean? [01:01] JuJuBee, are you using the 96" version of Eno by Polyvision; smaller or larger? [01:02] http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/10 [01:04] maybe wrong architecture if you run 64 bit now that give it errors [01:24] Hi. I've successfully managed to get my two monitors set up as a single wide desktop, but it 'forgets' the settings every time I reboot. When it reboots, the two monitors are clones. Does anyone know how to fix this? === Muzer is now known as MuzerAway [01:50] I have just installed Kubuntu, and I have a long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be. [01:52] I have tried changing the background and killing it... it keeps coming back [02:02] John, so when you restart it comes back? === leonel is now known as e-traveltrip [02:03] thrall, are you still there? [02:05] John, when you restart it comes back? === muesli_ is now known as muesli [02:20] How can I remove the analog clock widget from my desktop? [02:20] How can I remove any running widget from my desktop? [02:21] John, right click on your desktop [02:22] Then? [02:22] do you see the option there? [02:22] If not right click on the lower panel and look for ... [02:22] Yeah, which one do I select? [02:22] panel-options/penel-settings [02:23] panel-options/panel-settings [02:24] Ok, I am in panel settings... now what do I need to do? [02:28] ok, now I am in panel settings [02:28] What do I need to do? [02:28] HElp i cant make work the intel gma 3150 on BT4 [02:28] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ... [02:29] John, early you posted here about a 'long line going across and down my desktop, kind of where the desktop folder used to be,' ... did you manage to get rid of that if so how? [02:29] on the widget itself, can you right click or does it show you an animation when you mouse over the widget? [02:30] unfortunately the line is still there as well [02:30] John, have you tried a reboot or "restart" to clear your desktop of the line? [02:30] Yes [02:31] When I right click on the widget, it gives me options about desktop settings and adjusting date/time [02:32] okay john, can you explain does your bottom panel look as it did when you first install Kubuntu? [02:32] Yes [02:33] John, and you have tried installing a background image? [02:33] under rightclick/desktop settings [02:34] Yes, that's where the problem is. The backgrounds have a line on them, but there is no line in a photo viewer. So there's something on the desktop causing this [02:35] Right now there's the line problerm as well as an analog clock widget on the desktop... both driving me crazy [02:39] [repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ... [02:39] Hey Kubuntu fan, thanks for trying to help. The line is gone for now, but I still have the analog clock on my desktop [02:40] Ok John, is this a widget you tried to add earlier? [02:41] Well, it's a widget I was trying to remove earlier [02:42] rightclick desktop/activities [02:42] is that widget in that activities frame? [02:43] No, just the desktop [02:43] okay close that "activities" [02:44] Ok [02:48] [repost please] my isp logged me out and back into the irc channel ... [02:48] rightclick desktop/add widgets [02:48] Do you see analog clock version 1.0 (by the plasma team)? [02:48] plasma.kde.org (http://plasma.kde.org/) [02:48] hi, i was hoping that 4.6 would fix my problem but it has persisted across several versions of kde. i've got a weird problem where the screen doesn't refresh or redraw properly. it's hard to explain so i've made an album here: http://imgur.com/a/yZXGp does anyone have any suggestions? [02:49] Yeah [02:49] The problem is that the position on the desktop causes it to go below the "add widgets" panel [02:49] So I can't interact with it [02:50] okay john, can we try to adjust your desktop resolution, what is your current resolution? [02:51] or barring suggestions, has anyone seen anything like it? [02:51] 1280*1024 [02:52] John is that your max resolution? [02:52] Yes [02:52] Can we not edit a config ile in nano? [02:53] John, are you currently at your max resolution ... Also how many desktops do you have for your set up currently 2 or 4? [02:53] 2 desktops [02:53] And yes, 1280x1024 is the max [03:01] should i head over to dev to ask about this? [03:01] [please repost] isp resolving new ip [03:01] ansgar that does look weird [03:01] how long you have this issue? [03:02] john you still here? [03:02] yeah [03:02] Still have the widget to where I can't do anything with it [03:02] Can we not edit a file in nano? [03:02] John it sounds like it is located under your display or to the side of your display or is it in the middle? [03:03] possibly yes [03:03] several months, i've gone through kde 4.5.4, 4.5.5 and now 4.6.0 with this issue. it's impossible to capture it with a screencap because as soon as the focus switches, it corrects. [03:03] Yeah, it goes under the settings [03:03] Whenever I bring them up [03:03] This is really irritating [03:03] i've just been sure to have two windows open and alt-tab twice to see what i want to see [03:04] ansgar, do you have an ati product for video card (and did you try to install custom configuration at one time)? [03:04] no, intel gma4500 on a latitude e6500 [03:04] no customization whatsoever [03:05] i always get the intel video because it's supposedly so well supported [03:05] it was suggested to me once to create a new user account to test it with. i have done that but it had no effect [03:05] yeah ansgar, you have some good images, I would ask for some support formally ...they will likely give you a thread location and you can log back in there to get updates on the solution, interact with development [03:06] ok, i'll give it a shot. thanks [03:06] John, is it the same on each desktop,? [03:07] Yes [03:07] This is really bothersome [03:07] Thinking of going to windows if I can't figure this simple thing out... I mean it's just a small little clock [03:07] I can't move it, uninstall it, nothing [03:07] ok lets try some jiggering in the system settings. [03:08] Ok I'm in system settings now [03:12] [please repost] isp resolving new ip [03:12] Ok, I'm in system settings now [03:13] okay try 'window behavior' [03:13] Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior [03:13] (confirm) [03:16] hi [03:20] [please repost] isp resolving dynamic ip refresh [03:20] sorry about that John [03:20] you still there? [03:20] Yeah, sorry, lost connection myself [03:21] Just got into window behavior [03:21] Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/VirtualDesktops/ [03:21] is "Different Widgets for Each Desktop" selected or deselected? [03:22] I just selected and applied now [03:22] okay good [03:22] John are you on a good cpu? [03:22] if so, lets give you 4 instead of 2 virtual desktops [03:23] 'apply' [03:23] go down to "screen edged" [03:23] errr "screen edges" [03:24] Ok, on screen edges now [03:24] along the top three, righ click and select ... [03:32] [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel [03:32] John are you still here sir? [03:32] OK, I am waiting to know what to select along the top 3 boxes when I right click [03:33] desktop grid [03:34] desktop grid or all desktops, keep that in mind for later, but for now select all to be desktop grid and the middle right to also be desktop grid [03:34] "apply" [03:34] all 8? [03:34] Or just the top 3 and middle right? [03:35] no, just the top 3 [03:35] yes and middle right [03:35] that is what will be selected when you slide your mouse pointer to those "screen edges" [03:35] Ok, did it and applied [03:35] right now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops [03:36] okay lets close that and look at one of your desktops [03:36] Ok, done [03:36] desktop number 1 will probably be the default [03:37] is you analogue clock issue still apparent to you on desktop 1? [03:37] is your analogue clock issue* [03:37] Yeah, still has this wonderful widget [03:37] ok wheel mouse down one or two click and watch the virtual desktops on the lower left panel [03:38] you should switch from desktop 1 to desktop 2 or 3 [03:38] Yeah, switching works [03:39] so then I understand you to say, that the widget is NOT on those other desktops [03:39] just desktop 1 [03:39] yes [03:39] okay that is something [03:39] :) [03:39] drag your mouse to the right edge middle and see if you can effect the desktop grid [03:40] right now we want it to show you the grid of all four virtual desktops [03:41] Nothing happens there [03:42] I really just want to delete the widget from my desktop and be done with it [03:45] [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel [03:46] Nothing happens to the grid [03:46] Can I just remove the widget from 1 desktop? [03:46] This is really making me want to go back to windows [03:46] Well this is a buggy desktop plasma on KDE [03:46] Ok... [03:47] I was going to try to give you some settings that will cause the bug to come to heel with the settings and maybe you can have control over it or it acts better so you can deal with it [03:47] All software is buggy because no programmer is perfect [03:48] Can I *move* the widget in any way? [03:48] Or delete it manually from a config file? [03:48] You have said earlier, it was off the screen or out of your ability to touch it with the mouse? [03:48] Yes [03:48] It's on the screen, but becomes covered up when I go to "add widgets" [03:49] ahhhh ... so it is an issue of being at the bottom of the display [03:49] Right [03:50] so when you right click on it or mouse over, is there any animation that occurs? [03:50] No... just the calendar pops up [03:50] like a small panel with some icons appear? [03:50] No, unfortunately not [03:50] Seems like it is locked [03:51] okay then right click on the icon, what happens when you select lock again? [03:52] nothing at all [03:53] try a second time or a third time, does it become unlocked? [03:53] holy shit [03:53] that did it [03:53] excuse my language, but thank you [03:53] awesome!!! [03:54] sure ... i am glad to help you get rid of that pesty widget [03:54] a plight on a desktop to be sure [03:54] John, do you have cube effect working to your benefit yet? [03:55] no i do not [03:55] You are only a few settings away from a nice desktop experience if you have the cpu and video card to drive 4 virtual desktops [03:55] You have the settings in place, that will currently allow you do have 4 unique desktop background images [03:56] how do i access that? [03:57] we adjusted that in the "window behavior" [03:58] only benefit is 4 desktop images? [04:02] you can get a number of wall paper or if you have your own, you can navigate to your preferred images. ... (there is one folder you should put them in though to simplify the location of your unique wall papers). [04:02] [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel [04:03] Kubuntu-fan: incidentally, if you see anyone with that issue, disabling compositing worked. compositing using xrender instead of opengl also worked. [04:03] thanks again [04:04] ansgar, say again... can you give more detail? [04:04] not sure what else there is. [04:04] Workspace Appearance and Behavior/Window Behavior/DesktopEffects ...advanced tabs? [04:04] yes, switch opengl to xrender [04:05] under compositing type [04:05] oh yes [04:05] and what else? [04:05] thank you for coming back here [04:05] it's not as fancy, no blur and a few other things, but it'll give drop shadows and basic transparency [04:05] is there a thread you located that was helpful or did you open a new request? [04:06] no, i was googling the problem but couldn't find anything really similar but it struck me that it happened for apps of all types: [04:06] qt, gtk, everything [04:06] so that made it a kwin issue [04:07] toggling compositing with alt-shift-f12 was the next step [04:07] that worked so i mentioned it as a workaround in the devel room [04:08] lol, that was when they actually started talking to me. they said intel support was downhill lately following some kind of redesign. [04:08] one of them then suggested enabling compositing but changing the type [04:10] [please repost] isp is going batty with this irc channel [04:10] i hope this works for others as well. [04:10] ansgar, did you 'disable functionality checks' ...? [04:12] ansgar, when you switched from 'OpenGL' to 'Xrender', did you also have to change any of the OpenGL Options or the "smooth scalling" in the XRender Options area? [04:21] ok, in the spirit of experimenting i have reenabled opengl and enabled "use vsync" which has a promising ring to it [04:23] holy smokes. it works [04:24] wow the help page for desktop effects was written by captain obvious, lol [04:25] maybe they didnt know what each option does [04:30] [please repost] isp is changing ip frequently, irc channel is dropping me for 3 to 5 minutes [04:31] ansgar, did you recover any quality when you enabled "use vsync" [04:32] yes, it looks like that was what i needed. blur, etc works and i haven't experienced anything yet [04:47] continued testing hasn't found any further problems. everything looks good from here [05:03] hi [05:46] is there any systen service package to shut services down..? [05:46] any Chinese chatroon [06:56] hi, any one with experience in csf/lfd? [06:57] I don't think I could even spell it. :-) [07:09] Hello [07:11] My system version is 10.04. I have updated KDE4.4.3 to 4.5. Now I have odd desktop layout. Looks like there are 2 overlaying plasma desktops on my screen. How to get rid of the mess? [07:12] i would try to remove .kde directory -- but that will take all your settings as weel [07:12] weel == well [07:12] (just rename the .kde to .kde_test and relogin) [07:12] Is there less destructive way? [07:13] probably, but i do not have any clue what [07:13] how about logging in with a new user? [07:14] valorie: I'm almost sure that a new user will get a correct desktop layout. But I want my other settings kept. [07:16] well then, howe about logging in as a new user, take a copy of your .kde folder there [07:16] and then in your own user, compare them? [07:17] I have done pretty much the same thing, very successfully [07:17] or you could just try to edit the activities etc [07:17] Ok. Adding a new user.... [07:17] if that does not help, i would really say easiest is to do the 'merge' with new .kde [07:18] well you could have just renamed your own .kde directory and re log in with same user ... [07:18] also, you could just do as susundberg suggested, and then start copying what you like from .kde_test back to .kde [07:18] there are so many ways! :) [07:18] basically the same [07:18] yep [07:18] as always with KDE [07:18] :-) [07:18] :) [07:19] i currently have little bad feelings with kde as when running kdevelop, something is corrupting my stack [07:19] at time to time -- causing kdevelop to crash at time to time [07:19] and that crash is not reproducable, so i cannot get proper information for bugreport [07:20] you might check with #kubuntu-devel about that [07:29] Ok. I have added a new user and logged in with KDE desktop. It has the same problem with 2 overlaying desktops! [07:30] Looks like KDE creates 2 desktops because I have 2 separate X screens, but both the desktops are on the primary screen. [07:31] trippy! [07:31] And annoyance with the kscreenlocker, which is not accepting right password did my experiment painful. [07:32] So any ideas? [07:32] coder2: perhaps you should take this straight to #plasma [07:32] sounds like a major bug [07:33] Is #plasma on the same IRC server? [07:33] yes [07:33] just /join #plasma [07:33] in some clients, you can just click the channel name [07:36] Thanks. I'm there. How to fix kscreenlocker? [07:39] hmmm, sorry [07:40] I've never had any problems with it [07:41] It just does not accept right password at all. I have to kill it from a terminal [07:43] I was advised to update KDE to 4.6. Thinking of how to do it on lucid [07:44] Someone on #plasma said that 4.6 have no problems with 2 screens === root is now known as faLUCE [07:45] you can't update the 4.6 on lucid, not supported (from us at least) [07:45] you would have to upgrade to maverick and then update to 4.6 [07:45] Is there a way to rollback to 4.4.3 ? [07:45] what are you running now? [07:45] lucid +KDE 4.5 [07:46] 32-bit [07:46] hm, you could try to install ppa-purge from lucid-backports and see if that does the job, but I'm not sure if the KDE config files will survive that [07:47] Ok. Will try to upgrade to 10.10 [07:49] Thank you. Bye. === sean is now known as Guest78429 [08:14] hello [08:16] hi there [08:23] hello === Roy_ is now known as _mugen === _mugen is now known as mugen__ === mugen__ is now known as SrS__ [09:30] After installing updates yesterday, the package 'upstart' is being kept back. Why is this? [09:53] helo [09:53] hello [09:56] hi t3rminat0r_ [09:56] rork, man, I face a weird problem [09:56] http://picturepush.com/public/4980520 [09:57] t3rminat0r_: what is exit code 13? [09:59] t3rminat0r_: you can ask your questions here without someone answering your greetings. Please be a more specific what's your question about in that case. I unfortunately know nothing about eclipse/java [09:59] wrong version of java [09:59] the point is [09:59] that java is not installed correctly [10:00] although it's the most recent one :S [10:00] I downloaded the packaged [10:00] I installed the bin file [10:00] and I changed manually all the soft links [10:00] is anything wrong on this procedure? [10:02] t3rminat0r_: I think you are asking in the wrong channel [10:02] this is a kubuntu help channel; you might have better luck in #java [10:07] tdn: it appears that some other people are also having problems with upstart http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679717&page=2 [10:09] Space_Man, ok. Not sure what it means. I'll just wait and see if it goes away. [10:12] t3rminat0r_: eclipse works fine on my machine with the java packaged with kubuntu,(OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.4) (6b20-1.9.4-0ubuntu1~10.04.1)) [10:13] thanx ct529 [10:13] however I need the most recent SUN java [10:13] for my applications [10:14] t3rminat0r_: di you uninstall all the other java, and set the CLASSPATH? [10:14] t3rminat0r_: what verisonare you using? [10:14] I didn't set any classpath [10:14] (I set JAVA_HOME, though) [10:14] 1.6.0....23 [10:15] t3rminat0r_: could you run java -version? [10:16] yes [10:16] it works [10:16] and gives the right figures [10:17] t3rminat0r_: a good channel for these type of problems is #eclipse, there is someone called rcjsuen who is very helpful. [10:17] t3rminat0r_: yes, I hope it works .... could you pastebin the whole output? [10:18] ct529, thanx for your help [10:18] I took the initiative and I installed JRE again [10:18] and now it works [10:18] (previously I had only installed Jdk) [10:19] t3rminat0r_: ok, good [10:19] impov jdk included jre.... [10:19] anyway... [10:19] thanx for the (implicit) motivation [10:21]