| cpatrick08 | i am running the kubuntu natty daily 2011021.1 and when i update with kpackagekit i get the following error message E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net natty/main Sources | 04:37 |
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| cpatrick08 | 404 Not Found | 04:37 |
| cpatrick08 | i have checked all the sources in the kubuntu software and other software | 04:38 |
| edgy | cpatrick08: it seems you added your own source becuase there is no ppa in natty file | 05:00 |
| cpatrick08 | ok | 05:00 |
| Wanderer | Anyone else's X explode after latest updates to Natty? | 05:05 |
| bazhang | Wanderer, I think the topic addresses that; you may also want to get the rss feed of Natty changes to keep apprised of such | 05:13 |
| bazhang | http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges | 05:14 |
| Wanderer | was reading the topic, thats about a week old, think it's still valid? | 05:14 |
| bazhang | seems to be tons of X issues, so perhaps *that* particular one is fixed, but I'd be wary | 05:15 |
| slyrus | Ok, now that I've borked my X server completely... What package(s) _should_ I install to try and get things back to working again? xorg? xserver-xorg? | 05:16 |
| Wanderer | slyrus: X segfaulting? | 05:16 |
| slyrus | dies on startup, it seems | 05:16 |
| Wanderer | same here | 05:17 |
| slyrus | any ideas in which log files I might look to see evidence of it dying? | 05:17 |
| Wanderer | /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? | 05:18 |
| slyrus | no, hasn't been touched since 1/31/11... | 05:19 |
| slyrus | I probably left my system in a hosed state dist-upgrading in the middle of the partial upgrade cycle | 05:20 |
| Wanderer | try and just execute "X | 05:20 |
| Wanderer | "X" even | 05:20 |
| edgy | what? I have updated but not rebooted. I am frightened now :( | 05:21 |
| Wanderer | looks like glew-utils is in a funky state | 05:21 |
| Wanderer | edgy: don't reboot | 05:21 |
| Wanderer | x is borked | 05:21 |
| edgy | Wanderer: so what can I do now? | 05:21 |
| slyrus | tells me xserver-xorg isn't installed and that I need to install it -- which leads me back to my original question about which package | 05:22 |
| slyrus | I'll try reinstall xserver-xorg and see what that does | 05:22 |
| Wanderer | edgy: just wait until the X release is done I guess | 05:22 |
| edgy | Wanderer: any bug filed for this? | 05:23 |
| Wanderer | I'm sure there are, check the topic | 05:24 |
| slyrus | OK, that worked. yea. | 05:25 |
| edgy | Wanderer: but I upgraded to the latest and it's working I mean version 1.9.99 | 05:26 |
| Wanderer | mine worked fine until reboot | 05:26 |
| Wanderer | then X wouldn't restart | 05:27 |
| edgy | Wanderer: what's the error you get in the log file? | 05:27 |
| Wanderer | X segfaults | 05:27 |
| slyrus | so I get X, but I'm still back to things like unity not working (and X (?) continuing to try to launch it, pegging the CPU) | 05:27 |
| edgy | Wanderer: what's the version of xserver-xorg-input-evdev you are using? | 05:27 |
| Wanderer | it's the 2.6.0 ubuntu6 | 05:28 |
| Wanderer | but I tried dropping that one package to ubuntu 4-5 and the previous 1.X version | 05:28 |
| Wanderer | no change | 05:28 |
| edgy | Wanderer: what's your vga card? | 05:30 |
| Wanderer | Nvidia 585 | 05:31 |
| edgy | Wanderer: then I don't know. I am using ati and it's working but i didn't recheck after the the updates of today | 05:33 |
| slyrus | ugh. yeah, nautilus is segfaulting like crazy... | 05:34 |
| slyrus | look at that... | 05:49 |
| slyrus | the google to the rescue. removing groundcontrol (which removes python-nautilus) seems to fix the problem. | 05:49 |
| slyrus | hth did that get installed in the first place? | 05:49 |
| sagaci | hi, having trouble booting the +1 daily onto bare metal | 07:29 |
| sagaci | always spits out radeon, evergreen errors. Any way to disable this? | 07:29 |
| vega-_ | any notable difference in natty boot speed comparing to maverick? | 09:18 |
| coz_ | hey all | 10:13 |
| coz_ | updates still breaking nvidia | 11:19 |
| Zuhaitz | Hi | 12:49 |
| Zuhaitz | I am having problems for 11.04 usb install, with loop filesystem. | 12:49 |
| Zuhaitz | cannot mount /dev/loop0 | 12:50 |
| Zuhaitz | Any help? | 12:50 |
| yofel | hm... did nouveau get offical 3D support o.O? | 13:07 |
| yofel | (or why do I have working compositing without nvidia-current and libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental?) | 13:07 |
| brot | yofel: depending on what card you have, nouveau provides some 3d, yes | 13:08 |
| yofel | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2) | 13:09 |
| yofel | well, let's see how well it works for a while ^^ | 13:09 |
| yofel | that I'm getting low-res plymouth on boot feels odd though | 13:09 |
| * yofel goes looking for reports | 13:09 | |
| alex_mayorga | video corruption on .38 kernel with nvidia cards anyone? | 13:15 |
| yofel | not yet.. | 13:17 |
| alex_mayorga | yofel: can you point me to troubleshooting procedures? | 13:25 |
| yofel | better ask that in #ubuntu-x, I'm clueless there | 13:28 |
| cdbs | I thought the X server was fully uploaded | 15:34 |
| cdbs | and I did a dist-upgrade | 15:34 |
| cdbs | now I get this error: | 15:34 |
| cdbs | http://paste.ubuntu.com/561450/ | 15:35 |
| Amaranth | cdbs: I'm fully up-to-date and just passed an apt-get upgrade --fix-policy run even (with ubuntu-desktop installed) | 15:36 |
| Zoiah | If I do a dist-upgrade, it wants to: | 15:36 |
| Zoiah | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 15:36 |
| Zoiah | cryptsetup xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 15:36 |
| Zoiah | Removing cryptsetup will probably break my encrypted rootfs initramfs? | 15:36 |
| Amaranth | Sounds like you guys are on outdated mirrors | 15:37 |
| Amaranth | Although I dunno about the cryptsetup stuff | 15:37 |
| yofel | here it upgraded X fine.. | 15:37 |
| Wanderer | erf, xserver is still horked | 15:37 |
| cdbs | Is there some problem with the deps? | 15:37 |
| Amaranth | But I have -nouveau and such and everything is upgraded | 15:37 |
| Amaranth | cdbs: Yeah, your mirror doesn't have the driver rebuilds | 15:37 |
| Volkodav | yofel: did it ask to remove any packages on it ? | 15:37 |
| cdbs | Amaranth: FYI I am on archive.ubuntu.com :) | 15:38 |
| Volkodav | mine still wants to remove googleearth and nvidia-current | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | cdbs: apt-get update then :) | 15:38 |
| Zoiah | I'm using http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | Volkodav: Yep, nvidia has to go | 15:38 |
| cdbs | Amaranth: did one a few moments ago | 15:38 |
| Amaranth | Volkodav: xserver DDX ABI changed, nvidia needs to build a new driver against it | 15:38 |
| yofel | well, I don't have googleearth installed | 15:38 |
| Volkodav | Amaranth: is the new nvidia package ready though ? | 15:38 |
| Wanderer | is there a way to make sure the mirrors are up to date? I'm using mirrors.kernel.org | 15:39 |
| yofel | and even nvidia 270 with ignoreABI doesn't work with new X | 15:39 |
| yofel | so no point in having it installed | 15:39 |
| * yofel is on VESA currently | 15:39 | |
| Volkodav | Wanderer: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors | 15:39 |
| Amaranth | Right, because for some reason nvidia hooks in to the input and video interfaces and the ABI changed on both | 15:39 |
| Wanderer | Vol: reading, thanks | 15:39 |
| Amaranth | afaik ignoreABI only applies to video | 15:39 |
| Volkodav | so I understand there is no nvidia package yet ? | 15:40 |
| Volkodav | compiled against new X I mean | 15:40 |
| Amaranth | Volkodav: There may be a beta | 15:41 |
| cdbs | so this is the scenario: | 15:42 |
| coz_ | unless you use xorg-edgers maybe | 15:42 |
| Amaranth | It wouldn't be in edgers | 15:42 |
| coz_ | ah ok | 15:42 |
| Amaranth | And using edgers right now breaks things | 15:42 |
| cdbs | the installed drivers provide xserver-xorg-video-8 | 15:42 |
| cdbs | and the new core package breaks -8 and needs -9 | 15:42 |
| Amaranth | cdbs: But only on your system :) | 15:42 |
| cdbs | though apt has packages that provide -9, it is failing | 15:42 |
| cdbs | it should forcefully install them all | 15:43 |
| yofel | current nvidia beta is 270.18, and that didn't work here, so we'll have to wait | 15:43 |
| coz_ | I think I'll put of updating for a w hile :) | 15:44 |
| coz_ | put off rather | 15:44 |
| yofel | anyone with nvidia shouldn't update ;) | 15:44 |
| Amaranth | oh, I think 270.18 had support for xserver 1.10 rc1 but the ABI changed again before final | 15:44 |
| coz_ | maybe a big "NVIDIA BROKEN" in topic :) | 15:44 |
| cdbs | everytime I am running apt-get -f install, its installing 1 package and then failing | 15:44 |
| cdbs | so this seems to be the only solution | 15:44 |
| Volkodav | well we'll wait then | 15:45 |
| Amaranth | coz_: It's well known that running a development version will break nvidia and fglrx | 15:45 |
| Amaranth | It does every cycle | 15:45 |
| coz_ | yep | 15:45 |
| yofel | coz_: well, you can use nouveau, but that freezes all the time here | 15:45 |
| Volkodav | no urgent need | 15:45 |
| coz_ | yofel, it really no big deal at this point... I didnt update so things are working well... i will just wait :) | 15:46 |
| yofel | yep, better choice | 15:46 |
| bjsnider | yofel, it didn't work? | 15:47 |
| cdbs | Yay! Worked! | 15:47 |
| cdbs | I had to run apt-get -f install 13 times | 15:47 |
| yofel | bjsnider: I got an X segfault with ignoreABI, but I can try it again later | 15:47 |
| Wanderer | ok, anl.gov is up to date, and ipv6, but my X is still horked | 15:50 |
| Wanderer | bad timing, the one week I needed it stable I upgrade | 15:50 |
| Wanderer | crap | 15:50 |
| coz_ | alpha 2 tomorrow? | 15:52 |
| yofel | planned for tomorrow, yep | 15:54 |
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| coz_ | yofel, ok cool.. I suppose :) | 15:54 |
| Wanderer | so I'm hosed til then atleast? | 15:54 |
| coz_ | Wanderer, if the nvidia stuff is fixed by tomorrow... I doubt it | 15:55 |
| yofel | in what way is X hosed for you? | 15:55 |
| Wanderer | yofel: X segfaults when it tries to start | 15:57 |
| Wanderer | I tried backing down the evdev, no change | 15:57 |
| yofel | got the backtrace? | 15:57 |
| yofel | (I mean, is it really evdev that crashes it?) | 15:58 |
| Wanderer | I get 9 lines when it segs, I dont see anything related to evdev, but that's the highest hit from googling and worth a shot | 15:58 |
| Wanderer | I don't do much coding so I'm in somewhat familiar waters here | 15:58 |
| yofel | can you pastebin the crash if you have it? | 15:59 |
| Wanderer | hmm, let me see if I can get it | 15:59 |
| yofel | the trace I mean | 15:59 |
| Wanderer | right | 15:59 |
| yofel | and I still only have 256 colors with intel on my eeePC o.O (945GME) | 15:59 |
| Wanderer | http://paste.ubuntu.com/561462/ | 16:00 |
| yofel | yep, that looks like about what I got when I tried it | 16:01 |
| yofel | nvidias fault | 16:01 |
| yofel | remove nvidia-current and delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 16:02 |
| yofel | that'll give you nouveau | 16:02 |
| bjsnider | you can also deactivate the driver in jockey | 16:03 |
| Wanderer | ok, I'm not using nvidia-current, I downloaded the latest | 16:04 |
| Wanderer | do I need to install xserver-xorg-nvidia ? | 16:04 |
| bjsnider | you downloaded the latest what? | 16:05 |
| yofel | no, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau should already be installed | 16:05 |
| yofel | er, wait | 16:05 |
| Wanderer | latest nvidia drivers from nvidia.com | 16:05 |
| yofel | (what bjsnider said) | 16:05 |
| bjsnider | ugh, why do i bother | 16:05 |
| yofel | .. | 16:06 |
| Wanderer | been using those for 6 months, had problems with performance in wine | 16:06 |
| yofel | Wanderer: run the .run with... --uninstall I think, reinstall all X packages and hope for the best | 16:06 |
| coz_ | Wanderer, a sudo /usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall should uninstall the downloaded driver | 16:07 |
| Wanderer | k | 16:07 |
| bjsnider | i'm trying to get the .run files disabled. it's a small packaging change to jcokey-common but it would work | 16:07 |
| yofel | bjsnider: how? | 16:07 |
| bjsnider | so if you have jockey-common, which everybody does, you wouldn't be able to use the nvidia-installer | 16:08 |
| bjsnider | they're already disabled for everybody that has nvidia-common, but not enough systems have that package | 16:08 |
| bjsnider | yofel, a year ago code was added to the nvidia-installer at canonical's request to facilitate this feature | 16:09 |
| yofel | ah | 16:09 |
| bjsnider | nvidia already explicitly tells people not to use their installer, but people do anyway | 16:09 |
| yofel | hehe | 16:10 |
| Wanderer | I have 2 nouveu packages, libdrm, no xorg | 16:10 |
| Wanderer | installing xserver-xorg-video-nouveau | 16:11 |
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| Wanderer | ok, if I'm not supposed to use .run, how do I install it? | 16:12 |
| Wanderer | I've been doing it from command line with a "sh Nv......" | 16:12 |
| Wanderer | ok, package installed, starting "X" says no devices | 16:14 |
| yofel | you need to reboot for nouveau to work | 16:22 |
| Wanderer | k | 16:24 |
| Wanderer | question as I've not used nouveau that I know of | 16:24 |
| Wanderer | I use wine to play warcraft on weekends, the reason I went to the nvidia packages was due to performance issues. will I have that with nouveau or is it better than the "nv" driver? | 16:25 |
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| yofel | Wanderer: nouveau is better than nv, but not really stable here | 16:26 |
| yofel | at least not as stable as nvidia | 16:27 |
| Wanderer | ok, I'm still getting the No devices after reboot | 16:27 |
| Wanderer | lets give it a try then and see if I can use nouv or if I have to back down to mav for a couple weeks | 16:27 |
| Wanderer | how do I regen the xorg.conf to use the nouv drivers? | 16:28 |
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| yofel | Wanderer: you delete it | 16:33 |
| Wanderer | I did | 16:33 |
| yofel | nouveau doesn't need a xorg.conf | 16:33 |
| Wanderer | then ran "X" and it says it can't find any devices | 16:34 |
| yofel | oh | 16:34 |
| yofel | did you un-blacklist the nouveau module? | 16:34 |
| Wanderer | ah, that may be it | 16:35 |
| Wanderer | rebooting | 16:36 |
| Wanderer | ok, got X | 16:37 |
| Wanderer | hmm, not logging in | 16:38 |
| Wanderer | looks like kde | 16:39 |
| Wanderer | fluxbox works | 16:39 |
| coz_ | fluxbox is nice :) | 16:39 |
| Wanderer | yeah, just used to kde, havne't used flux or black in a decade | 16:41 |
| Wanderer | probably since enlightenment e15 was dev | 16:42 |
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| MTecknology | Is it a known bug that upgrading plymouth 0.8.2-2ubuntu9->0.8.2-2ubuntu13 breaks because of the dependency change with libdrm-nouveau1->libdrmnouveau1a ? | 17:09 |
| Wanderer | hmm, progress but no libGL | 17:14 |
| yofel | MTecknology: you need to remove libdrm-nouveau1, that's old | 17:41 |
| MTecknology | yofel: ya, but shouldn't the package manager be able to handle that? | 17:42 |
| yofel | it should, if nothing else is depending on the old lib | 17:42 |
| MTecknology | yofel: aptitude upgrade won't make the change; I pop open aptitude, press U, and then it tries to resolve the issue, it does so fine but having to go through that is probably a bug.. | 17:44 |
| yofel | aptitude upgrade | 17:45 |
| yofel | is aptitude safe-upgrade, it won't remove *any* deps in that state | 17:45 |
| yofel | you need to use aptitude full-upgrade for that | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | oh... | 17:45 |
| yofel | that will do the same as apt-get dist-upgrade | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | I feel kinda dumb now.. | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | thanks :) | 17:46 |
| yofel | aptitude safe-upgrade will only remove things that apt-get autoremove would remove too after an apt-get upgrade | 17:46 |
| MTecknology | I forgot that upgrade was safe-upgrade | 17:47 |
| setuid | I need to backrev my kernel down to allow me to run vmware workstation, the kernels in Natty removed some critical kernel options that vmware needs | 18:03 |
| setuid | How do back down to a 2.6.32-2.6.36 kernel? | 18:04 |
| Volkodav | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 18:04 |
| Volkodav | they all here | 18:04 |
| setuid | Is there a sources.list entry I can use to pull those? | 18:05 |
| setuid | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 18:05 |
| setuid | Cannot resolve hostname | 18:05 |
| Volkodav | it resolves here allright | 18:07 |
| setuid | wget likes it, epiphany does not | 18:07 |
| setuid | pulling them now | 18:07 |
| setuid | ugh | 18:15 |
| setuid | Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) | 18:16 |
| setuid | Natty doesn't support that | 18:16 |
| setuid | but these kernels reuqire it | 18:16 |
| setuid | shit, it's using a generic on e | 18:16 |
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| setuid | ugh, so with grub-pc, I now have to update the grub params in 4 places | 19:01 |
| yofel | huh? | 19:02 |
| yofel | usually you only edit /etc/default/grub | 19:02 |
| setuid | Sorry, 3: /etc/default/grub, /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 19:02 |
| yofel | you *never* edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 19:02 |
| setuid | and now there's no way to tell it to boot a non-0 kernel | 19:02 |
| yofel | update-grub generates and overwrites that file | 19:02 |
| yofel | what do you mean by non-0? you mean other than the one at the top of the list? | 19:03 |
| setuid | Starting from menuentry 0 in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, my target kernel is 6 in the list, so I put GRUB_DEFAULT=6 in /etc/default/grub, and it boots 0 anyway | 19:03 |
| yofel | did you run update-grub after changing that? | 19:04 |
| setuid | There's no other way to see what the kernel list order is... why-o-why people add exponential levels of complexity for no logical reason, is beyond me | 19:04 |
| setuid | Yes, I did | 19:04 |
| yofel | hm... this did work last time I tried it (a long time ago) | 19:05 |
| setuid | I have no grub boot menu, so I have no idea what kernel it's booting (that too, was removed) | 19:05 |
| setuid | Is everything moving to a "ONLY my grandmother can use it" model? | 19:05 |
| setuid | It seems like all the features, power, flexibility and ease of use is being ripped out of Ubuntu (and likewise KDE and GNOME are doing the same thing too) | 19:05 |
| gpc | if your grand mother can use it that means someone more experienced should have no issues | 19:06 |
| yofel | you get to the grub menu by holding left shift pressed before grub comes up, or by changing | 19:06 |
| yofel | GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 | 19:06 |
| yofel | GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true | 19:06 |
| setuid | gpc, My grandmother would use it unconfigured, I like to customize my installs.. can't do that anymore | 19:06 |
| gpc | setuid: yes you can, you just need to look a little deeper now. | 19:06 |
| yofel | I commented #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0 out here, works fine | 19:07 |
| setuid | gpc, No, not true... look at gdm for example, the whole customization bit was ripped out | 19:07 |
| setuid | Look at fontconfig, ripped out the ability to render bitmap fonts | 19:07 |
| setuid | so no 6pt or smaller fonts | 19:07 |
| gpc | cosmetics... | 19:07 |
| setuid | Sure, if you consider removing leather seats from a sports car and replacing them with a park bench "cosmetics" :) | 19:10 |
| gpc | setuid: you were talking about customizing grub, I doubt your grand mother would ever do that. Now your complaining about font sizes. | 19:11 |
| setuid | yofel: Ugh, I see why it doesn't work... the 6th kernel is behind a grub menu opton called "Previous Linux versions", which I have to interactively enter to change | 19:12 |
| setuid | Well, the 4th through nth kernels are, that is | 19:12 |
| yofel | oh... I would count *that* as a bug | 19:12 |
| yofel | yeah, that was added recently | 19:13 |
| setuid | So no way to set a previous kernel as the default? | 19:15 |
| setuid | or... how do I "flatten" that menu system so it shows all the available kernels from the top-level grub menu? | 19:16 |
| yofel | I don't know that, but file a bug about the default setting being ignored in the menu, that shouldn't happen | 19:18 |
| yofel | ubuntu-bug grub-pc | 19:18 |
| setuid | Doesn't seem to be a way to point it to the kernel I want, so I'll remove everything except memtest, leaving only the kernel I want | 19:51 |
| setuid | Lovely, an update to current, removes the nvidia drivers and all dkms modules | 19:54 |
| setuid | (Reading database ... 285781 files and directories currently installed.) | 19:54 |
| setuid | Removing nvidia-173 ... | 19:54 |
| setuid | Removing all DKMS Modules | 19:54 |
| popey | setuid: yeah, wondering when nvidia-current will be rebuilt for natty :S | 20:19 |
| rmcbride_nb | indeed | 20:20 |
| * popey builds it locally to test | 20:21 | |
| bjsnider | we could rebuilt it in the x-updates ppa if you think it would help | 20:23 |
| genii-around | The nouveau driver drives me nuts | 20:26 |
| * yofel escaped to vesa | 20:27 | |
| genii-around | Every time I move the cursor it disappears | 20:27 |
| rmcbride | it doesn't seem to recognise my external monitor | 20:27 |
| rmcbride | or the native resolution/aspect ratio of the laptop's display. I'm not sure if that's an issue with my configuration though | 20:28 |
| yofel | hm, that didn't happen here, I just got an X freeze every ~20min | 20:28 |
| rmcbride | filing a bug about the resolution issue anyhow | 20:28 |
| rmcbride | oops. apport hook for xserver-xorg-video-nouveau got an assert error. | 20:31 |
| genii-around | rmcbride: I had same resolution prob. wouldn't do 1680x945, just 1024x768 | 20:31 |
| coz_ | good day all | 20:40 |
| setuid | Installing nvidia-173 remove xorg?! | 20:42 |
| setuid | s/remove/removes/ | 20:43 |
| setuid | That's kind of ... unintuitive. Let's intsall the nvidia drivers, and then remove everything that depends on them | 20:43 |
| yofel | well, the current nvidia drivers aren't compatible with current x server | 20:46 |
| yofel | so they won't install together with it | 20:46 |
| genii-around | Specifically to me it wails about unsupported ABI version... | 20:47 |
| Daekdroom | It's so much better than installing it and breaking you system, per say. | 20:49 |
| yofel | yeah, nvidia-current doesn't have that package check yet (I think) | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | correct | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | Xserver 1.10 does not support nvidia-current at this time | 20:54 |
| bjsnider | the 270 blob is supported at least partially. if someone wants to test it by rebuilding it in pbuilder i can rebuilt it in x-updates (assuming it works) | 21:01 |
| multiplatinum | hey guys | 21:03 |
| multiplatinum | the appmenu needs some serious work | 21:03 |
| multiplatinum | cuz the way it is now... | 21:03 |
| multiplatinum | who uses the appmenu? | 21:04 |
| Daekdroom | I use the gnome panel version so I can get used to it while I'm not into Unity | 21:05 |
| bjsnider | ok guys, we won't be rebuilding nvidia-current until a new blob is released because it would be futile | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | o/ | 21:07 |
| multiplatinum | it makes pidgin crash | 21:07 |
| multiplatinum | it flashes when opening a new app | 21:07 |
| multiplatinum | it crashes too | 21:07 |
| coz_ | bjsnider, ok ,, I dont intend to update so all is fine on t his end :) | 21:08 |
| rmcbride | bjsnider: so you're saying I should not go looking for the 270 blob and try building it in my pbuilder? | 21:10 |
| bjsnider | rmcbride, it wouldn't work with this xserver | 21:11 |
| rmcbride | bjsnider: OK | 21:11 |
| bjsnider | as soon as a new 270 blob is released, the same day, we will have it in the x-updates ppa | 21:11 |
| graingert | heya, is there a good upgrade path for nvidia users? | 21:28 |
| graingert | as upgrade-manager wants to remove nvidia drivers | 21:28 |
| graingert | should I back of to nouveau first? | 21:29 |
| coz_ | graingert, dont update | 21:37 |
| coz_ | graingert, <bjsnider> as soon as a new 270 blob is released, the same day, we will have it in the x-updates ppa | 21:37 |
| graingert | so I need to add that ppa? | 21:38 |
| coz_ | graingert, <bjsnider> we won't be rebuilding nvidia-current until a new blob is released because it would be futile | 21:38 |
| coz_ | graingert, no no nvidia driver at the moment | 21:38 |
| graingert | okay can I change to nouveau? | 21:38 |
| graingert | coz_, | 21:38 |
| coz_ | graingert, I believe if you remove the installed driver it s hould revert to nouveau | 21:39 |
| graingert | and remove the nvidia xorg.conf? | 21:39 |
| graingert | jocky-gtk seems to have borked :( | 21:39 |
| yofel | no, you should disable it first (not sure what'll happen to xorg.conf otherwise) | 21:39 |
| yofel | try jockey-cli | 21:39 |
| yofel | er | 21:39 |
| yofel | jockey-text | 21:39 |
| graingert | doesn't give any options | 21:40 |
| graingert | ooh dbus has gone mental | 21:40 |
| graingert | yaaaay | 21:40 |
| graingert | hokay I'll do it from the root terminal | 21:40 |
| setuid | Any updates on why xorg* is being pulled? | 21:40 |
| graingert | you just missed it | 21:41 |
| setuid | nv, nouveau, nvidia rips out all of X | 21:41 |
| graingert | are you sure? | 21:41 |
| graingert | that sounds bad | 21:41 |
| yofel | nouveau should work.. | 21:41 |
| setuid | Yes, absolutely sure | 21:41 |
| setuid | one sec, pastebot'ing | 21:41 |
| charlie-tca | nouveau does work | 21:41 |
| graingert | aaalso | 21:41 |
| yofel | nvidia-96 and 173 won't install | 21:42 |
| yofel | -current will break X when you install it | 21:42 |
| graingert | yes that's becuase of the new x-stack | 21:42 |
| setuid | yofel, Right, installing them rips out most of xorg | 21:42 |
| yofel | yes, intentionally | 21:42 |
| graingert | can't you just make nvidia-current an empty package? | 21:42 |
| charlie-tca | installing nouveau does not rip out X, though. It is used when the hardware drivers are pulled out | 21:42 |
| graingert | so it will not rip out x | 21:43 |
| setuid | http://pastebin.com/MUwLZU8p | 21:43 |
| graingert | then fill it in when everything is fine | 21:43 |
| yofel | -current won't rip out X, it will break it | 21:43 |
| yofel | graingert: why bother? | 21:43 |
| setuid | No, it removes xorg-* | 21:43 |
| setuid | See the above pastebot | 21:43 |
| setuid | er, pastebin | 21:43 |
| graingert | _if_ it does as setuid claims, to everyone | 21:43 |
| graingert | dropping out to neuveau should be the behaivour | 21:44 |
| yofel | ah, so it does | 21:44 |
| yofel | yep, you'll have to use nouveau | 21:44 |
| setuid | Nouveau still restricts us to 2D only, no 3D, right? | 21:44 |
| coz_ | I think it depends on the card | 21:44 |
| coz_ | some minimal 3d available for some cards | 21:45 |
| yofel | well it has 3D for some cards, and with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental for some more | 21:45 |
| setuid | Well, on any nvidia card in notebooks, it does | 21:45 |
| graingert | I believe it works with metacities compositor | 21:45 |
| yofel | it did have 3D on my quadro nvs 3100M | 21:45 |
| coz_ | it should | 21:45 |
| setuid | I don't use metacity or compiz or any of that dreck, but it has a HUGE impact on 2D speed in X | 21:45 |
| yofel | worked with kwin here | 21:45 |
| graingert | setuid, but what about wobbly windows :(? | 21:46 |
| graingert | setuid, to many people that's what linux is | 21:46 |
| yofel | huh? I found nouveau 2D to be very fast, with or without 3D | 21:46 |
| setuid | graingert, pick up your laptop and wobble it | 21:46 |
| yofel | heh | 21:46 |
| setuid | yofel, driver is still 'nv', right? | 21:46 |
| yofel | no | 21:46 |
| yofel | nouveau | 21:46 |
| graingert | setuid, but that means I have to put effort into being anoying and reducing my workrate | 21:46 |
| yofel | and nouveau doesn't need a xorg.conf | 21:46 |
| setuid | yofel, My laptop requires xorg.conf | 21:47 |
| yofel | why o.O? | 21:47 |
| setuid | yofel, Because the default xorg.conf, or the default X witout xorg.conf is nowhere near optimized for actual real usage | 21:48 |
| setuid | IOW, proper gamma, proper refresh rate, etc. | 21:48 |
| graingert | setuid, you set that in the monitor prefs in the gui | 21:48 |
| yofel | well, I do need to set something for nvidia, but nouveau works ok without one | 21:48 |
| setuid | http://pastebin.com/JN3rW00E | 21:48 |
| graingert | after disabling nvidia-glx-* | 21:49 |
| graingert | can I kill x and start it again? | 21:49 |
| graingert | or should I reboot? | 21:49 |
| yofel | nvidia-glx-* is deprecated | 21:49 |
| yofel | the packages are called nvidia-96 nvidia-173 and nvidia-current | 21:50 |
| yofel | for nouveau you'll have to reboot | 21:50 |
| graingert | after disabling nvidia-[0-9]* | 21:50 |
| graingert | shall I try it and see what happens? | 21:50 |
| graingert | and then reboot? | 21:50 |
| yofel | sure | 21:52 |
| bjsnider | his computer is going to explode | 21:53 |
| yofel | it's always fun to blow things up | 21:54 |
| Daekdroom | Did anyone talk about blowing up? | 21:56 |
| Daekdroom | Oh. A computer. No biggie. | 21:56 |
| setuid | hrm, so that didn't work | 22:07 |
| setuid | So I installed the nouveau bits, configured X to use it, and it has no X | 22:08 |
| yofel | does it work without xorg.conf? | 22:11 |
| setuid | just a sec, removing those newer kernels so it boots the older one I need by default | 22:13 |
| graingert | okay, that's broken it | 22:14 |
| setuid | graingert, monitor prefs in the gui does not affect X -prior to login- | 22:15 |
| setuid | Those prefs don't seem to "stick" either, have to change them every time you log in, kind of a pain... same with font subpixel rendering | 22:15 |
| graingert | I am getting conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs VESA VGA | 22:15 |
| graingert | and then I get a blank screen with some graphical artifacts | 22:15 |
| graingert | that change when I move the mouse | 22:15 |
| setuid | HWCursor | 22:16 |
| graingert | okay | 22:16 |
| yofel | ouch, did you change something in the framebuffer settings? | 22:16 |
| graingert | nope | 22:16 |
| graingert | just removed nvidia drivers in jocky | 22:16 |
| yofel | then it's probably grub settings that don't work | 22:17 |
| graingert | which removes nvidia-173 and the xorg.conf | 22:17 |
| graingert | does nvidia mess with grub | 22:17 |
| graingert | it's default grub | 22:17 |
| graingert | I have tried recovery mode | 22:17 |
| graingert | and it still does this | 22:17 |
| yofel | try to put GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text in /etc/default/grub, run update-grub and see if it helps | 22:17 |
| * setuid uses: | 22:17 | |
| setuid | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash elevator=noop noinotify noonotify noatime norelatime maxcpus=2 nomodeset video=uvesafb:mode_option=1920x1200-24,mtrr=3" | 22:17 |
| setuid | and: uvesafb mode_option=1920x1200-24 mtrr=3 | 22:18 |
| setuid | in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules | 22:18 |
| graingert | yeah can't do that becuase it won't boot | 22:18 |
| yofel | well, nomodeset will break nouveau | 22:18 |
| graingert | but I can set gfx playload = test | 22:18 |
| yofel | text, not test | 22:18 |
| graingert | text* | 22:18 |
| graingert | I need to be able to set this from GRUB | 22:19 |
| graingert | as I can't boot | 22:19 |
| * setuid rips everything out that has to do with colored pixels... and starts from scratch | 22:19 | |
| yofel | yeah, then just set gfx_payload in the grub editor | 22:19 |
| graingert | okay I'll try recovery mode with that then | 22:19 |
| graingert | brrb | 22:19 |
| setuid | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 450 to remove and 2 not upgraded. | 22:21 |
| yofel | o.O | 22:22 |
| yofel | that doesn't seem right | 22:22 |
| setuid | Going back down to basics, < 100 packages, just enough to boot and log in and give me a shell and an editor | 22:22 |
| yofel | ah | 22:22 |
| setuid | then I'll start from scratch, installing everything one by one | 22:22 |
| setuid | Too much broken in Natty right now | 22:22 |
| * setuid ponders going back to Lucid, things worked there | 22:23 | |
| NixGeek | Since natty narwal is going to use unity, instead of gnome, will there be a new ubuntu called gubuntu, with gnome as the desktop enviroment, like we have xubuntu for xfce and kubuntu for KDE? | 22:27 |
| graingert | nope still dead | 22:28 |
| coz_ | NixGeek, actually you can use gnome with natty you just have to change sessions to either classic gnome desktop or classic gnome desktop ( no effect) | 22:32 |
| coz_ | NixGeek, I dont use Unity only gnome desktop ( no effect) | 22:33 |
| setuid | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 234 to remove and 2 not upgraded. | 22:33 |
| setuid | whee... more comes out | 22:33 |
| Daekdroom | That is some serious breakage. | 22:33 |
| setuid | ayep | 22:33 |
| setuid | All of X, gnome, kde, and supporting libs | 22:34 |
| graingert | heya | 23:23 |
| graingert | just to let you know I am back on nvidia_173 | 23:24 |
| graingert | and it works, but I won't be able to upgrade | 23:24 |
| graingert | *cry* | 23:24 |
| graingert | how can I get notified when it is safe to upgrade? | 23:24 |
| setuid | graingert, how did you get it back? | 23:33 |
| * setuid is gutting his natty | 23:33 | |
| graingert | well I still have the old xorg stackl | 23:33 |
| graingert | I user nouveau.modeset=0 | 23:33 |
| graingert | and then I used jockey-test --enable="nvidia_173" | 23:33 |
| setuid | graingert, what does this report: dpkg --get-selections | wc -l | 23:33 |
| graingert | and then I used jockey-test --enable="xorg:nvidia_173" | 23:33 |
| graingert | 2022 | 23:34 |
| setuid | wow | 23:35 |
| setuid | I got 1,206 | 23:35 |
| graingert | I have some stuff installed | 23:36 |
| graingert | :p | 23:36 |
| graingert | eclipse media tomb etc | 23:36 |
| setuid | I ripped out everything, still ripping out more... down to 1,201 now | 23:37 |
| setuid | I'm going back to kernel + shell + init tools, and not much else | 23:37 |
| carbonunit | hi | 23:38 |
| carbonunit | I have alpha 1 and get a blinking cursor on the top left when I try to run the CD | 23:39 |
| carbonunit | was wondering why this would be? | 23:39 |
| setuid | carbonunit, burned the cd wrong? | 23:40 |
| carbonunit | LOL | 23:40 |
| carbonunit | no | 23:40 |
| carbonunit | thanks though | 23:41 |
| carbonunit | next? | 23:41 |
| graingert | not even boot options? | 23:41 |
| carbonunit | Nope | 23:41 |
| graingert | does the iso even fit on a cd? | 23:41 |
| carbonunit | i have burned a CD | 23:41 |
| graingert | ISO > CD | 23:41 |
| carbonunit | and made a bootable usb stick too | 23:41 |
| graingert | hmm | 23:42 |
| graingert | anyone know if you can get ubuntu live cd to be more verbose | 23:42 |
| carbonunit | are they still having issues with nvidia systems? | 23:42 |
| carbonunit | that | 23:42 |
| setuid | graingert, opton F6 | 23:42 |
| graingert | nvidia hasn't even started | 23:42 |
| genii-around | Is anyone else getting firefox freezing with the test pilot script? eg: Script: resource://testpilot/modules/experiment_data_store.js:153 | 23:42 |
| graingert | at that point | 23:42 |
| graingert | genii-around, ah, yes me to | 23:42 |
| graingert | too* | 23:43 |
| graingert | uninstalling that addon now | 23:43 |
| genii-around | graingert: OK, thanks | 23:43 |
| carbonunit | I get the boot with the purple background and the keyboard on the bottom | 23:43 |
| carbonunit | and then a black screen with a blinking cursor | 23:43 |
| graingert | I think you need to press stuff to get things to happen | 23:44 |
| graingert | ie press kbd and you get the boot mgr | 23:44 |
| carbonunit | i take it you mean the keys kbd | 23:45 |
| graingert | carbonunit, turning the kbd over and pressing the kbd would work also | 23:46 |
| setuid | heheh | 23:46 |
| carbonunit | be nice to me :0) | 23:47 |
| * setuid is down to 1,190 packages | 23:47 | |
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