[01:29] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: were you able to test our 38 kernel with your beagle xm B rev?
[01:42] <GrueMaster> yes
[01:42] <GrueMaster> I had to install it from the beagle first.
[02:16] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Latest X segfaults on armel.  Looking into it.
[02:17] <rsalveti> hm
[12:02] <lag> ogra: Dude!
[12:10] <ogra> lag, yo !
[12:10] <lag> ogra: There you are
[12:10] <lag> ogra: How do you build kernels for the images?
[12:10] <ogra> whats up ?
[12:11] <ogra> you mean rolling uimage out of vmlinuz ?
[12:12] <lag> No, where is it built?
[12:12] <lag> On LP?
[12:12] <ogra> on the cdimage server
[12:12] <ogra> using the debian-cd scripts
[12:12] <lag> Okay, let me re-phase the question
[12:12] <lag> I have created a PPA
[12:13] <lag> Is there any point in putting a kernel image in it?
[12:13] <lag> And u-boot image?
[12:13] <lag> Or it is only used for userspace packages?
[12:13] <ogra> i think there are possibilities to b uild from PPAs but i have never used them
[12:13] <ogra> and i dont know if that would work for kernels at all or just userspace
[12:14] <lag> 'cos your PPA is just userspace stuff isn't it?
[12:14] <ogra> i know there is code in livecd-rootfs (the script that rolls the rootfses) to use PPAs
[12:14] <ogra> but i dont know if debian-cd could use that
[12:14] <lag> Okay
[12:14] <lag> Thanks for your help
[12:14] <ogra> ask cjwatson about that
[12:15] <ogra> our images all have kernels in the archive usually
[12:15] <ogra> if its urgent for you i'd write a script that just grabs the image and replaces the kernel
[12:15] <ogra> on chinstrap or people.canonical.com
[12:25] <lag> Great, cheers
[15:16] <Homefix1> Using karmic build on my "HTC Evo" I am trying to get my login name's desktop to be loaded instead of roots's desktop. I have export USER=dad and HOME=/home/dad in my chroot script what am i missing (the reason all of roots folders are rdonly and when i install Darwin Streaming Server I get all these "socket errors" and permission errors. I have tried as root and as user dad to install, in
[15:16] <Homefix1> different folders root and dad doesnt make a diff. any help would be appreciated
[16:29] <ogra> ok, panda image looks good, installs and runs
[16:31] <ogra> GrueMaster, could you start with XM so we have the set complete ?
[16:32]  * ogra only has one microSD left and i dont want to overwrite that
[16:32] <GrueMaster> Already on it.  Doing both side by side.
[16:32] <ogra> ah, sweet
[16:33] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: so the dvi output seems to be working for you with rev B
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Yes, with the latest kernel.
[16:34] <rsalveti> I could only test with my rev A
[16:34] <rsalveti> good
[16:34] <rsalveti> cool, so we have a working alpha 2 for both machines
[16:34] <GrueMaster> Which means images prior to today will fail on A3.
[16:34] <rsalveti> that's fine
[16:34] <GrueMaster> XM A3 that is.
[16:35] <GrueMaster> Yea, I'm not too concerned either.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Anyone know anything about the server images in  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily ?  I pulled them for later examination and curiosity.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Not part of the release though.
[16:40] <ogra> no idea
[16:40] <ogra> i didnt build them
[16:40] <ogra> and they wont work anyway
[16:41] <GrueMaster> yea, I figured as much.
[16:41] <ogra> ask persia, he has the list of flavours and who is responsible iirc
[17:17] <sveinse> I get a handful of "note: the mangling of ‘va_list’ has changed in GCC 4.4" when cross compiling qt apps using the arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ compiler. And someone at #qt claims this to be a compiler bug. Anyone familiar with this?
[17:21] <ogra> thats simply a note about code that hasnt been ported to new compiler behavior
[17:22] <ogra> shouldnt cause any issue, its just to notify the devs to make the change at some point as i understand it
[17:22] <sveinse> Well, our developers get like 500 of those when compiling the apps and cant find the real warnings within it
[17:23] <ogra> grep va_list <path to code>
[17:23] <ogra> ?
[17:24] <sveinse> It's in Qt headers, and Qt points to armel qt bug....
[17:24] <sveinse> i ment armel gcc bug
[17:24] <ogra> well, talk to #linaro, they maintain the toolchain
[17:24] <sveinse> thanks
[17:25] <ogra> but since thats done mostly by codesourcery guys i cant really imagine its the compiler side being at fault here
[17:25] <ogra> especially regarding the text of the message
[17:26] <sveinse> I agree. In essence I'm looking for a way to supress the message. But that's OT here, so thanks anyways
[17:44] <lool> ogra: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/jasper-initramfs/mkimage-move is still marked as pending review, is this obsolete?
[17:44] <lool> It would need to be updated ot use u-boot-tools nowadays
[17:45] <lool> actually rejecting my own mp
[17:45] <ogra> lool, yeah, its obsolete
[17:45] <ogra> all mkimage stuff will move to flash-kernel-installer right after A2 and jasper will use that
[17:46] <ogra> i just didnt get to it before A2 because of unity-2d
[17:46] <lool> Hmm flash-kernel wasn't merged from Debian was it?
[17:48] <ogra> lool, no, and i wont merge it i think, there is nothing in it apart from additional arches we dont care about
[17:49] <ogra> lool, unless linaro has a strong interest in supporting kirkwood
[17:49] <ogra> i have a bunch of pending patches on LP to merge, thats more intresting than the debian merge actually
[17:51] <ogra> lool, and it looks like we need to rework the flash-kernel handling of initramfs-tools completely, upstream demands that the triggers are shipped by the linux packages
[17:52] <ogra> i.e. we are not allowed to call flash-kernel in update-initramfs anymore
[17:53] <lool> Will you work on that?
[17:53] <ogra> for the ubuntu kernels, yes, linaro will have to adapt that
[17:53] <ogra> in essence it should be similar to how grub is handled
[17:54] <ogra> lool, do you have any strong interest in a debian merge of flash-kernel ?
[17:54] <ogra> (if there is any demand i'm fine to do it ... but i wont do it just for doing it ;) )
[18:07] <lool> ogra: I'm reviewing my lp inbox, and found https://code.launchpad.net/~sveinse/project-rootstock/apt-source-fix/+merge/47387 seems to be waiting for review
[18:08] <lool> ogra: flash-kernel > I think we have accumulated a large delta in Ubuntu and we should try to merge support for these platforms in Debian; I personally suspect flash-kernel needs rearchitecturing to be a bit more versatile, and it would be best if Debian and Ubuntu were close to each other before that happens
[18:08] <ogra> lool, yep, i think rsalveti has it on his radar
[18:08] <ogra> (the rootstock fix)
[18:08] <lool> I'm not so much interested in getting the latest Debian changes into Ubuntu as in shrinking the delta
[18:08] <ogra> and sveinse talked to us here
[18:09] <rsalveti> ogra: yup
[18:09] <ogra> lool, i would prefer to shrink the delta by supplying our changes to debian first
[18:10] <ogra> the upstream delta to what we have in ubuntu atm isnt big
[18:10] <ogra> only our additions are
[18:10] <ogra> i agree that flas-kernel needs redesign
[18:10] <ogra> bug 702898
[18:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702898 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in changed(): value is of wrong type for this column" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702898
[18:11] <ogra> GrueMaster, is that the geoip bug ?
[18:11]  * ogra is to lazy to open it :P
[18:12] <GrueMaster> Yes.  My crash report has the exact same error information, so it's a match.  It is also fixed.  I just updated all the packages on my panda image between boots and ubiquity doesn't crash anymore.
[18:12] <ogra> ah, thats why i didnt get it, i did a networked install
[18:12] <GrueMaster> But I don't think it warrants an image respin.
[18:13] <ogra> and we agreed that armel doesnt need a respin for it
[18:13] <GrueMaster> I have a networked install as well, but through a nat firewall.
[18:13]  * ogra discussed it this afternoon
[18:13] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Must have missed it.
[18:13] <ogra> in -release
[18:13] <persia> ogra, My list isn't complete or official currently: there's another call for product managers just post Alpha 2.
[18:13] <ogra> persia, well, do you have anyone for dove server images ?
[18:14] <ogra> i think thats rather a mistake
[18:14] <persia> No.  Nobody I talked to said they wanted to support dove.
[18:14] <ogra> given that we dont support dove at all
[18:14] <ogra> and the omap server images have no bootloader handling
[18:15] <ogra> i'm all for selling janimo's headless image as server on omap rather than wasting space for non working images
[18:15] <persia> I agree.
[18:16] <persia> The only armel images I've heard about are Ubuntu Desktop/omap3 Ubuntu Netbook/omap4, Kubuntu Desktop/omap4, Kubuntu Desktop/imx51, Kubuntu Mobile/N900, Xubuntu Desktop/imx51, headless/omap3, headless/omap4
[18:17] <persia> But for lots of those, there's no kernel in the archive, so it looks doubtful
[18:17] <ogra> Ubuntu Desktop/omap3 ???
[18:17] <ogra> what for would that be ?
[18:17] <ogra> we ship Desktop on the image
[18:17] <persia> Oh, right, Ubuntu Desktop/Ubuntu Netbook merged.
[18:18] <ogra> not really either ;)
[18:18] <ogra> the image is netbook
[18:18] <ogra> but thanks to gdm requirements it ships gnome desktop
[18:19] <persia> Oh, then maybe I'm confused.
[18:19] <persia> I think Ubuntu Desktop/omap3 was as proof-of-concept for the better-subarch-detect spec.
[18:20] <persia> I suppose that could be done with Ubuntu Server/omap3
[18:24] <GrueMaster> Other than the normal netbook and now server images, I am not seeing anything for armel in weeks.
[18:26] <ogra> persia, if you find a product manager for it
[18:29] <persia> ogra, Indeed.  The purge didn't happen for Alpha 2, and when I started asking questions, I was told it couldn't happen until Alpha 3.
[18:29] <persia> But I suspect the product manager for the PoC for better-subarch-detect will end up being the better-subarch-detect folk.
[18:29] <ogra> well, its trivial for NCommander or me to stop them building
[18:30] <ogra> though indeed i dont hack around on antimony during a milestone release ;)
[18:30] <ogra> but i'll disable the server builds on friday, if someone needs it back he can ask for it
[18:31] <persia> Go ahead, if there's resource issues.  I believe skaet will be sending out something Monday or Tuesday, and we'll end up trimming with the results of that later.
[18:32] <ogra> there is always space issues
[18:32] <ogra> i.e. for todays milestone images jaunty had to be removed
[18:32] <persia> jaunty belongs on old-images anyway.
[18:32] <ogra> indeed
[18:33] <ogra> that was just to point out how short on space we are
[18:33] <ogra> it wasnt removed because it belongs somewhere else but because the space was needed
[18:33] <ogra> that it belonds to old-releases was just a sideefect
[18:45] <GrueMaster> ogra: The ti-omap-extras is missing.  Is that known?
[18:45] <ogra> GrueMaster, i havent seeded it yet
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Ah, ok.
[18:45] <ogra> since it went out of jasper
[18:45] <GrueMaster> Thought I'd point it out.
[18:46] <ogra> yep, thanks
[18:46] <ogra> i'll care for that after alpha
[18:46] <GrueMaster> Better to ask before filing a bug.  I'll add it to the comments.
[18:46] <ogra> feel free to file a bug and assign it to me if you feel like
[18:48] <GrueMaster> Looks like univers/multiverse are still not being added to sources.list.
[18:49] <persia> That might have been a victim of the jasper re-write, sadly.  The code to do it is still in the original bug.
[18:49] <ogra> well, i'll add it to jasper if needed
[18:49] <GrueMaster> do you have the bug #
[18:49]  * persia digs it up
[18:50] <GrueMaster> (saves me having to search).
[18:50] <ogra> i still need to generate .symbols files for all the unity-2d libs and then should be done with that
[18:50] <ogra> so i can concentrate on jasper again after A2
[18:50] <persia> bug #659754
[18:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659754 in ubuntu-netbook-efl-default-settings "Universe & multiverse are not enabled on OMAP4 preinstalled image" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659754
[19:23] <Homefix1> Using karmic build on my "HTC Evo" I am trying to get my login name's desktop to be loaded instead of roots's desktop. I have export USER=dad and HOME=/home/dad in my chroot script what am i missing (the reason all of roots folders are rdonly and when i install Darwin Streaming Server I get all these "socket errors" and permission errors. I have tried as root and as user dad to install, in
[19:23] <Homefix1> different folders root and dad doesnt make a diff. any help would be appreciated
[19:28] <Homefix1> In qemu i log in as user but in Evo it logs in as root
[19:29] <Homefix1> is it because the chroot is in root, is there a remidy?
[19:39] <GrueMaster> Homefix1: I'm a little confused.  Does the Evo support armv7?
[20:27] <Homefix1> im sorry it does
[20:27] <Homefix1> Grumaster: im sorry it does
[20:29] <Homefix1> GrueMaster:My scripts are her in this tutorial i put together http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098
[20:30] <Homefix1> scroll to mid-page bootubuntu.sh
[20:47] <GrueMaster> Homefix1: My main question is why you would be using karmic as opposed to Lucid (LTS), Maverick (latest stable) or Natty (bleading edge).
[20:49] <GrueMaster> Karmic is due to be EOL once Natty releases.
[20:49] <GrueMaster> And it is only Armv6+vfp optimized.  Not armv7.
[20:57] <Homefix1> Gru: everything is fine i just need a litttle assist. getting it to boot into my personal desktop rather than root.
[20:57] <Homefix1> I have used lucid and mav. too
[20:58] <Homefix1> I should have said lucid.
[20:58] <Homefix1> I dont use Mav because i get seg fault in qemu
[20:58] <GrueMaster> Ah.
[21:01] <Homefix1> just like if i made lucid .img on lucid build i get seg faults
[21:01] <GrueMaster> I won't be able to help as this is outside of my scope.  I just wanted to make sure you were actually using a supported distro.  Of course, most of us are currently focused on natty, so I don't know how much help you will get, but good luck.
[21:01] <Homefix1> in qemu i can boot into my personal (user)desktop fine in my evo it boots into roots desktop no matter what i do
[21:01] <Homefix1> and of corse it is read only
[23:54] <hipaulshi> hi. does any one successfully install ubuntu server on beagleboard xm?
[23:58] <rcn-ee> hipaulshi, i run my beagle's as server's... apache/etc.. are you looking at speicif meta package or what?