| Graviti2011 | I need help with installing Ubuntu | 00:02 |
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| Graviti2011 | Anyone? | 00:03 |
| johnny77 | what is your problem... I'm pretty new so I don't know if I can help, but let's see. | 00:04 |
| Graviti2011 | Well, I want to know about the third choice to installing the system in Ubiquity. If I choose a spot with files in it, does it overwrite it or does it just remove what needs to be overwritten? | 00:07 |
| seidos | Graviti2011: do you mean performing an install from a live cd onto an existing parti... | 00:09 |
| seidos | okay nevermind | 00:09 |
| seidos | how to unzip a file from the shell? | 00:11 |
| aveilleux | seidos: there's an unzip command | 00:11 |
| johnny77 | Graviti2011: I'm not sure... sorry, but usually when you install a OS it formats the partition before installing. It's usually good advice to back up before installing just in case. | 00:12 |
| seidos | aveilleux: i am aware of this. i already checked the manpage | 00:12 |
| seidos | aveilleux: i need precise syntax to try | 00:12 |
| aveilleux | seidos: unzip <input file> | 00:12 |
| seidos | unzip -x filename doesn't work | 00:12 |
| aveilleux | seidos: Exactly, -x means eXclude | 00:12 |
| seidos | aveilleux: nope, tried that too...doesn't work. | 00:12 |
| seidos | tab complete doesn't work either | 00:13 |
| seidos | unzip ubu<tab> doesn't work | 00:13 |
| seidos | typed out the name too | 00:13 |
| seidos | no luck | 00:13 |
| seidos | they are .gz files made with zip | 00:13 |
| aveilleux | seidos: Oh well in that cause, use tar -xzf | 00:14 |
| aveilleux | seidos: or gunzip | 00:14 |
| seidos | aveilleux: gunzip says to use unzip in the man page | 00:15 |
| seidos | tab complete doesn't work with tar, so that isn't going to work either | 00:15 |
| seidos | werid | 00:15 |
| seidos | *weird | 00:15 |
| seidos | i know i have done it before | 00:15 |
| seidos | i'll just use the gui | 00:15 |
| seidos | i'll work on it later | 00:15 |
| aveilleux | seidos: try gzip -d <input file> | 00:16 |
| seidos | aveilleux: success \o/ | 00:17 |
| seidos | -d...that's...odd | 00:17 |
| aveilleux | seidos: decompress | 00:17 |
| seidos | ahhhhh | 00:18 |
| seidos | i could've sworn i used unzip before | 00:20 |
| seidos | ah, that was probably in karmic | 00:20 |
| seidos | packages must have changed | 00:20 |
| seidos | that explains it | 00:20 |
| gunndawg | hey folks, I recently reinstalled ubuntu and forgot what fix I used to get my headphones jack to work in ubuntu | 02:06 |
| seidos | gunndawg: that reminds me, i need to turn logging on in irssi, but i do recall someone mentioning reinstalling with headphones plugged in would fix it. does that cause any stirring in your memory? | 02:07 |
| gunndawg | seidos yes | 02:10 |
| gunndawg | I remember that, and I did install with them plugged in | 02:10 |
| gunndawg | but I also remember editing the alsa-base.conf file | 02:10 |
| gunndawg | I had to add a line to the bottom of that file, I just forgot what it was | 02:10 |
| gunndawg | I do remember somewhere in the line it said brand=dell or model=dell | 02:11 |
| seidos | gunndawg: oh yeah, it's probably option <driver> model=dell | 02:15 |
| seidos | gunndawg: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf is the file i think | 02:16 |
| seidos | \/set autolog on | 02:18 |
| gunndawg | seidos, sorry i am back | 02:39 |
| gunndawg | seidos, yeah I know where the alsa-base.conf is but not sure what lines I added | 02:39 |
| gunndawg | someone posted a link to it last time I fixed it but I forgot that link | 02:39 |
| gunndawg | Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller | 02:42 |
| gunndawg | thats the device | 02:42 |
| gunndawg | but I remember very specifically whatever line it was that I added to the alsa-base.conf had the word "dell" in it | 02:49 |
| gunndawg | even though im on a Toshiba, I thought that was kinda funny because it fixed it | 02:49 |
| gunndawg | ugh, wish I would have saved the conf file before I reinstalled :( | 03:03 |
| aveilleux | gunndawg: The logs for this channel are publicly available and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | 03:05 |
| aveilleux | gunndawg: You can look around in there maybe | 03:05 |
| gunndawg | if I could remember what day it was, hmmm | 03:05 |
| gunndawg | dang | 03:11 |
| gunndawg | it was such an easy fix, but I cant seem to find the coversation in the logs | 03:17 |
| gunndawg | brb | 03:20 |
| gunndawg | back, dang thing still isnt working | 03:21 |
| seidos | gunndawg: oh hey, i was just going to send you a memo. i actually just added model=toshiba to my alsa-base.conf file to try and fix a static problem | 03:22 |
| seidos | gunndawg: was this the link you were referred to? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto | 03:23 |
| gunndawg | hm | 03:24 |
| gunndawg | no that wasnt it :( | 03:24 |
| seidos | gunndawg: was this the link: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Model_Settings | 03:28 |
| gunndawg | seidos, no, it seems like it was a forum post | 03:29 |
| seidos | gunndawg: ah | 03:29 |
| gunndawg | if I remember correctly | 03:29 |
| gunndawg | and the solution was to add that line to the alsa-base.conf file | 03:30 |
| seidos | gunndawg: the option snd-hda-intel model=dell line? | 03:30 |
| gunndawg | that might have been it | 03:30 |
| seidos | gunndawg: what does alsamixer say is the device you have? | 03:31 |
| gunndawg | how do I load up the alsa mixer ? | 03:31 |
| gunndawg | is that just the default sound mixer ? | 03:31 |
| seidos | gunndawg: start up a termina (shell) and type alsamixer | 03:32 |
| seidos | *terminal | 03:32 |
| gunndawg | card is HDA Intel | 03:32 |
| seidos | gunndawg: chip? | 03:32 |
| gunndawg | do I have to re log in after making that change to alsa-base.conf ? | 03:32 |
| gunndawg | Conexant CX20585 | 03:33 |
| gunndawg | let me log out and back in | 03:33 |
| gunndawg | ok | 03:34 |
| gunndawg | didnt change anything, grr | 03:34 |
| seidos | what did you do? | 03:36 |
| gunndawg | added that line to alsa confi | 03:37 |
| gunndawg | the line you posted | 03:37 |
| gunndawg | option snd-hda-intel model=dell | 03:38 |
| gunndawg | seems like thats pretty close to the line I used last time to fix it | 03:38 |
| gunndawg | maybe I have to restart instead of just log out and back in ? | 03:38 |
| seidos | ah, so the difference would be snd-hda-intel | 03:39 |
| gunndawg | seidos, what do you mean ? | 03:39 |
| seidos | gunndawg: well, i know option is right, and model=dell is what you did last time for sure, so that leaves snd-hda-intel, that might be different | 03:40 |
| gunndawg | should I try a reboot ? | 03:40 |
| gunndawg | instead of just logging out and back in | 03:40 |
| gunndawg | see if the effects change | 03:40 |
| seidos | gunndawg: yeah, that would probably do it. alsa has to shut down and restart, and i think the kernel modules need to be "reinitialized" | 03:41 |
| gunndawg | ok brb | 03:42 |
| gunndawg_ | grr, nope | 03:43 |
| gunndawg_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383 | 03:44 |
| gunndawg_ | take a look at that, scroll down to Toshiba, | 03:44 |
| gunndawg_ | seidos, that one says to add probe_mask=8 and use model fujitsu instead of dell, when I know for a fact the last time I fixed this it was model=dell | 03:46 |
| seidos | gunndawg_: er, okay. so try options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=8 model=fujitsu or model=3stack | 03:47 |
| gunndawg_ | ok, and do a full restart each time ? | 03:47 |
| seidos | gunndawg_: unfortunately, that is the only way i know to do it, right now. | 03:48 |
| seidos | i am trying to write a script that shutdowns audio, removes all kernel modules, and readds them though :) | 03:48 |
| gunndawg_ | ok should I use probe_mask=8 on both of them ? | 03:48 |
| gunndawg_ | brb restarting | 03:48 |
| seidos | wb gunndawg | 03:50 |
| seidos | gunndawg: i am looking at this for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594818 | 03:51 |
| gunndawg | seidos, with the first one using mod_base=8 model=fujitsu it managed to completely get rid of all sound | 03:51 |
| gunndawg | so probably not the right way | 03:51 |
| seidos | gunndawg: disregard that link, it didn't have a solution | 03:52 |
| gunndawg | seidos, ok, I'll try options snd-hda-intel probe_mask=8 model=3stack now and reboot | 03:52 |
| gunndawg | so brb yet again, I just want this to work, I had it working so easily last time | 03:52 |
| gunndawg | I think I might have also uninstalled alsa driver and reinstalled them last time also | 03:53 |
| gunndawg | ok neither of those worked | 03:55 |
| seidos | gunndawg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/637040 scroll to "David Henningsson wrote on 2010-09-17:" | 03:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 637040 in alsa-driver "[Conexant CX20585, 1025:043d]Sound refuses to play through headphone jack. (dup-of: 647374)" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 03:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 647374 in linux "Audio mixer couldnt switch audio output to phones when their plugged." [Undecided,Fix released] | 03:56 |
| gunndawg | so try options snd-hda-intel model=dell-laptop | 03:58 |
| gunndawg | ? | 03:58 |
| gunndawg | gonna try it, brb | 03:59 |
| gunndawg | seidos, model=dell-vostro seems to be the golden ticket :) | 04:02 |
| seidos | gunndawg: \o/ | 04:03 |
| gunndawg | seidos, thanks so much for the help ONCE AGAIN | 04:03 |
| gunndawg | :) | 04:03 |
| gunndawg | I backed all the stuff I thought I should have before reinstalling ubuntu, then right after it formated and started to install I was like "oh crap I forgot to backup alsa-base.conf"!!!! | 04:04 |
| seidos | gunndawg: thanks for the thanks, but *you* did it :) | 04:04 |
| seidos | we should give thanks to the google | 04:04 |
| gunndawg | lol | 04:04 |
| seidos | well i'm going to eat now gunndawg, hopefully i'll see you in #ubuntu-beginners-team :) | 04:05 |
| gunndawg | seems to be wide spread enough of a problem for laptop and netbook users that you would think it would be readily available info ont he ubuntu help page or something | 04:05 |
| gunndawg | seidos, I'll be there! | 04:05 |
| gunndawg | seidos, enjoy ur dinner, you've earned it ;) | 04:06 |
| gunndawg | seidos, we'll get started on the rest of my problem when you return, earn your dessert :) | 04:06 |
| seidos | gunndawg: i have returned...for now | 04:14 |
| gunndawg | seidos, welcome back | 04:28 |
| gunndawg | seidos, I think I am gonna stay away from emerald themes this time around and just stick to GTK themes | 04:30 |
| tsenior | hello | 06:23 |
| tsenior | anyone online> | 06:23 |
| gunndawg | I am | 06:25 |
| tsenior | how do you add bootdelay to grub, grub2 wiki does not explain in any detail to do this | 06:25 |
| tsenior | as grub is working fine but i need it to wait longer for my sata drive otherwise it drops back to BusyBox | 06:27 |
| tsenior | if i let it wait while it is at initramfs prompt i can boot up ubuntu 10.10 fine | 06:27 |
| tsenior | i can and bootdelay=130 at e option in grub and it will work fine, i just need to know who to add this to the grub scripts | 06:29 |
| gunndawg | im not sure | 06:30 |
| gunndawg | as I am still learning ubuntu my self | 06:30 |
| tsenior | lol | 06:32 |
| jmarsden | tsenior: Do you mean the "set timeout=" line in grub.cfg ? | 06:33 |
| tsenior | can i just edit the grub.cfg manualy then not use the update-grub ever | 06:33 |
| jmarsden | well probably, but I think updating to a new kernel will auto-recreate your grub.cfg for you . There is a place to add custom entries... let me look for it... | 06:34 |
| jmarsden | Look in /etc/grub.d and either add custom entries to 40_custom or figure out which of the other files will add your bootdelay parameter to the "automatically generated" entries. | 06:35 |
| tsenior | yes you are correct but i dont need a new entry i need to change how long it grub waits to load the kernal | 06:35 |
| jmarsden | I think near the end of /etc/grub.d/10_linux is where it builds those lines | 06:37 |
| tsenior | ill look now | 06:37 |
| cmlat | Help, I can't get synaptic to run... Failed to run /usr/sbln/synaptic as user root | 06:39 |
| cmlat | unable to copy the user's Xauthorization's root | 06:40 |
| cmlat | ...Xauthorization file. | 06:40 |
| cmlat | anyone? | 06:40 |
| jmarsden | tsenior: I'd think if you edit the two lines that start with linux_entry and add the bootdelay=130 there it will be added to all linux kernel entries the script creates in grub.cfg | 06:42 |
| JoeMaverickSett | cmlat: have a look at this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474127 | 06:42 |
| tsenior | ok | 06:44 |
| tsenior | which script are you looking at in grub.d to edit? | 06:45 |
| jmarsden | 10_linux | 06:46 |
| jmarsden | Earlier I said: "<jmarsden> I think near the end of /etc/grub.d/10_linux is where it builds those lines" ... | 06:47 |
| tsenior | so mine look like | 06:47 |
| tsenior | +'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.35-25-generic-pae' | 06:47 |
| tsenior | to this | 06:47 |
| tsenior | +'Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.35-25-generic-pae' bootdelay=130 | 06:47 |
| jmarsden | Oh... hmmm... that's not what I intended.... let me try it out in a test virtualmachine ... | 06:48 |
| tsenior | my 10 linux file is not very big | 06:49 |
| tsenior | 9 lines total | 06:49 |
| jmarsden | Hmmm. /etc/grub.d/10_linux is 165 lines here on my Ubuntu 10.04 desktop :) | 06:52 |
| jmarsden | What does dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/10_linux output on your machine ? | 06:53 |
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| tsenior | comes back with | 06:54 |
| tsenior | grub-common: /etc/grub.d/10_linux | 06:54 |
| tsenior | oh my 10 linux file is called 10_linux_proxy | 06:56 |
| jmarsden | tsenior: I don't know who or what put that there... what does dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/10_linux_proxy say? | 06:59 |
| jmarsden | There is no file named 10_linux_proxy on my machine that I can find. | 07:00 |
| tsenior | well it says its not found lol | 07:00 |
| jmarsden | So where is this file 10_linux_proxy of yours? And why are you looking at it instead of the one I suggested you look at ?? | 07:01 |
| tsenior | maybe i need to install grub2? | 07:02 |
| jmarsden | Wait a minute... you read the grub2 wiki but you are not using grub2 ? | 07:02 |
| tsenior | my computer /etc/grub.d/ | 07:03 |
| tsenior | no 10_linux | 07:03 |
| tsenior | just 10_linux_proxy | 07:03 |
| tsenior | and all the other scripts of course | 07:03 |
| jmarsden | Well, since you said dpkg -S /etc/grub.d/10_linux outputs <tsenior> grub-common: /etc/grub.d/10_linux | 07:04 |
| jmarsden | Then I think you installed a file /etc/grub.d/10_linux :) | 07:04 |
| jmarsden | So did you accidentally rename it or delete it? | 07:04 |
| tsenior | i cant see it | 07:05 |
| tsenior | my grub.d folder contains | 07:05 |
| tsenior | 00_header | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 05_debian_theme | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 10_linux_proxy | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 20_linux_xen | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 20_memtest86+ | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 30_os_prober | 07:07 |
| tsenior | 40_custom | 07:08 |
| tsenior | 41_custom | 07:08 |
| head_victim | Here's a stupid question, in setting up a computer for the wife I wanted to install a bunch of themes for her to play with. As a result I've installed the edubuntu artwork package and now my boot and shutdown splashes are edubuntu for the machine. Is there a way to set that back to being the normal ubuntu? | 07:08 |
| tsenior | readme | 07:08 |
| jmarsden | tsenior Have you used any tools that claim to customize grub for you? | 07:08 |
| jmarsden | head_victim: Not sure, see if that gets edited in /etc/default/grub ? or in /etc/grub.d/* maybe? | 07:09 |
| head_victim | jmarsden: Ah k of course, I was looking for themes not grub stuffs | 07:09 |
| jmarsden | tsenior: Can you pastebin me 41_custom please? That might give me a clue what was editing things for you in /etc/grub.d/ | 07:10 |
| tsenior | i have installed grub customiser but have not changed anything because it hasnt got the option is add to the scripts which i thought it would | 07:10 |
| jmarsden | Aha! I bet that is what did that to your /etc/grub.d directory... | 07:10 |
| tsenior | no problem was directly after updates, customsier installed after to try fix boot probelms | 07:12 |
| tsenior | how do i paste you the file? | 07:12 |
| jmarsden | open a web browser to a pastebin site such as http://ubuntu.pastebin.com and copy and paste the text into it, it will create a web page. Then post the link to that page here | 07:13 |
| jmarsden | !pastebin | 07:13 |
| ubot2 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 07:13 |
| tsenior | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/hri5hxdv | 07:14 |
| tsenior | is that working for you? | 07:16 |
| jmarsden | Wow... yes that grub customizer has been busy :) I suggest you apt-get remove it (it was a package, right?) and see if that puts things back to a more usual state | 07:16 |
| jmarsden | Yes, the pastebin worked fine. | 07:16 |
| tsenior | ill do it now | 07:16 |
| tsenior | it has now been removed via ubuntu software centre | 07:18 |
| jmarsden | OK... and now do you have a /etc/grub.d/10_linux file ? | 07:20 |
| tsenior | still 10_linux_proxy | 07:20 |
| tsenior | no 10_linux | 07:21 |
| tsenior | 41_custom still looks the same | 07:21 |
| jmarsden | OK... let's try sudo apt-get install grub-common --reinstall | 07:22 |
| jmarsden | Where does the grub customizer come from, I can't find it in the official Ubuntu repositories? Did you add a PPA so you could get it? | 07:22 |
| tsenior | ok that done | 07:23 |
| jmarsden | OK, now does /etc/grub.d/10_linux exist? :) | 07:23 |
| tsenior | yes i think i did it was on another help page | 07:23 |
| jmarsden | tsenior: Be really really careful about using unofficial sources of help...! | 07:23 |
| tsenior | no | 07:24 |
| tsenior | still all the same | 07:24 |
| jmarsden | Strange... I'll test something here... | 07:25 |
| tsenior | I probably installed some hideous trojan | 07:26 |
| tsenior | http://paste.ubuntu.com/561295/ | 07:28 |
| jmarsden | I hope not :) But I think you installed something that wasn't brilliantly packaged, so when it was removed it didn't restore the previous state. | 07:28 |
| tsenior | do i need to reboot for it to take effect | 07:28 |
| tsenior | if i can reboot now lol | 07:28 |
| tsenior | i have bootey my notebook i can see the file you are talking about now | 07:33 |
| tsenior | it has the 10_linux file | 07:33 |
| tsenior | and looks like a full script | 07:34 |
| jmarsden | Good :) | 07:34 |
| jmarsden | The question now is how we regenerate it on the other machine... I'm exploring some ideas here... | 07:35 |
| jmarsden | You could probably copy it from one machine to the other, but there should be a cleaner way to do this than that. | 07:35 |
| jmarsden | OK, it's getting late here, so.. if the notebook and desktop are running the same version of Ubuntu, can you just copy the 10_linux file from the laptop to the desktop? | 07:38 |
| tsenior | ok thanks for all the help you have given me | 07:39 |
| tsenior | it 8:39pm here | 07:39 |
| tsenior | ill give those things a go cheers jmarsden | 07:40 |
| jmarsden | I'm still looking for a better way... but that's the quick way. Then we can look at either editing it as I suggested earlier, or maybe editing /etc/defaults/grub adn adding the bootdelay=130 to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX string. | 07:42 |
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| gunndawg | anyone have any clue how to change the background highlight color when you hover over items in the sub menus of system, places, etc | 08:17 |
| gunndawg | by default its like a salmon pink color | 08:17 |
| duanedesign | hello gunndawg | 08:18 |
| gunndawg | hey | 08:18 |
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| gunndawg | JackyAlcine, welcome! | 08:20 |
| JackyAlcine | Hey gunndawg :D | 08:20 |
| gunndawg | JackyAlcine, the matrix theme is a thing of the past, I am now trying to theme my own, heh | 08:21 |
| JackyAlcine | Lol, :D gunndawg, good luck with that! I'm here trying to restore my harddisk. >_< | 08:21 |
| gunndawg | JackyAlcine, eh oh, what happened ? | 08:21 |
| JackyAlcine | I'm not sure tbh; I was using it and I shut off the system via the power supply. Then when I tried to log back in, the configuration for my user account was damaged and when I backed it up and tried replacing it with a fresh-user install, Ubuntu wouldn't start. | 08:23 |
| gunndawg | oh wow | 08:24 |
| JackyAlcine | Yeah; and to top it all off, this harddisk had issues before, it was "failing" but just has a few bad sectors. So I never wrote to them. But >_< I need to get some money to buy a new one.. | 08:24 |
| gunndawg | well sounds like ur havin a heck of a time! | 08:25 |
| gunndawg | sorry to hear all the bad news | 08:25 |
| gunndawg | and here I am thinking I have problems because I cant get the "Selected items:" background and text colors to change! | 08:25 |
| JackyAlcine | Lol. I've had worse, at least the disk's detected by the system, I didn't have to modprode the system. | 08:29 |
| bioterror | JackyAlcine, I feel you bro ;D | 08:30 |
| bioterror | around xmas I had too bad sectors with 1TB drive. about 167GB of drive was inside of bad sectors ;) | 08:30 |
| bioterror | dd_rescue made image, but I had used encrypted home directy and that image was worthless | 08:31 |
| bioterror | lots of pics and music and videos are rm -rf'd now :D | 08:31 |
| bioterror | I tried all the guides how to umount and open the encryption, but no dice | 08:31 |
| gunndawg | ok seriously, why cant I change the default color that ubuntu uses when you over over stuff in things like System, Places, etc | 08:42 |
| gunndawg | cant change that salmon color! | 08:42 |
| duanedesign | gunndawg: hmm. might see if there is anything in the Gnome-art forum http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=20&sid=7a5067f68d2cf868fbeba7ec6f1bdff8 | 08:45 |
| gunndawg | duanedesign, I should just be able to click what color i want in the appearances section and have that work | 08:46 |
| gunndawg | but when I change it, the changes dont take effect | 08:46 |
| Mofear | hello channel. anyone care to offer some help with a manual partition? | 08:51 |
| head_victim | Mofear: ask away and we'll do what we caN :D | 08:51 |
| Mofear | alright. well i am aiming at setting up a dual-boot system with windows 7 and ubuntu 10.10. i have already watched and read several guides so i think i have the basics down. | 08:52 |
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| Mofear | my questions are mostly in how much space to allocate and if i am doing everything in the right order. i have a fresh install of windows 7 and my basic drivers done. with an ubuntu cd ready to go. now im at the whats next stage :D | 08:53 |
| head_victim | Well what I would do if you haven't done it before is just do the "install beside other operating system" option so that it doesn't wipe the windows one and it should install as normal. I did that exact thing yesterday with the wife's PC. | 08:55 |
| head_victim | The trick I've always found useful is to always install Ubuntu last so that the bootloader "just works". You can install Windows last but you will have to "fix" the bootloader. | 08:55 |
| bioterror | Mofear, if you want to make it look "good", I would say 150MB for the /boot, / I would give ~15GB and rest for /home. | 08:56 |
| Mofear | right that is what i have heard as well so i installed windows first. i read a few times the manual partition is a nicer way to go, not exactly sure why. if i wanted to do it the "best" way (i dont mind a reinstall of windows) what would i do? | 08:57 |
| bioterror | or you can just have / and /home beside swap | 08:57 |
| bioterror | swap is 1.5x your RAM as a guidance | 08:57 |
| Mofear | i have a 1 TB to work with by the way bio. not sure how that affects the ratios | 08:58 |
| head_victim | If you're new to Ubuntu I just let it decide how big all the partitions to be are, otherwise what bioterror is suggesting is a good guide. | 08:58 |
| bioterror | Mofear, it doesnt. only how much stuff you're going to install, and 15GB should be enough if you're not going for all the -dev packages ;) | 08:58 |
| head_victim | I personally always use 100gb for / but that's just because it was a nice round number that I thought I can't fill (I also use 500+ gb drives for each install, sometimes even a separate tb drive for home) | 08:59 |
| Mofear | i suppose the root of all of these questions is how would you do this if it was YOUR install and you wanted it done "right" (not sure if thats the best way to put it). would that be this manual partition? and if so i would need to reinstall windows after and then linux again correct? | 09:00 |
| bioterror | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/561316/ my desktop computer's layout | 09:01 |
| head_victim | I always just install windows the install Ubuntu afterwards. If I have enough space I assign 100gb for / and the rest for /home. I let it make it's own /boot, etc. | 09:01 |
| bioterror | head_victim, 100GB for / with separete /home is just madness | 09:01 |
| bioterror | :) | 09:02 |
| Mofear | haha | 09:02 |
| head_victim | bioterror: I like "nice" numbers :D | 09:02 |
| head_victim | I'm using 9.5gb on / on my gnome pc and 3gb on / on my Lubuntu pc | 09:02 |
| bioterror | Mofear, but my / is that small becouse I'm a wicked guy and I'm not using DE's, I'm running windowmaker with just some tools from there and others from somewhere | 09:03 |
| bioterror | if you use KDE or Gnome, it will take more space easily | 09:03 |
| bioterror | so 15GB is kinda minumum for the / if you're planning to run a complete desktop envinroments | 09:04 |
| Mofear | so if i partition the drive now it will wipe windows? and i will probably fatten my / a bit, i dont know about 100 though ;) | 09:04 |
| bioterror | no it wont | 09:05 |
| bioterror | you have windows on sda1 and you will make sda2, sda3 and sda4 ;) | 09:05 |
| head_victim | As long as you choose "install beside existing operating system" you will be fine, just don't pick the "use whole disk" option | 09:05 |
| bioterror | make the decission and dump the windows, you can make it with ubuntu! | 09:06 |
| bioterror | ;) | 09:06 |
| Mofear | whats the difference between a side by side versus a manual partition? pros and cons | 09:06 |
| bioterror | Mofear, you dont have to think about these partitionings ;) | 09:06 |
| head_victim | My main pc has a 500 gb drive for / and /home, a 2tb drive for data stuffs and backups over the home lan and I'm about to put in a 500gb drive as a nominated drive to store VMs on. | 09:07 |
| Mofear | i read something about a dual-boot setup where theres a mutual area with the bulk of my HD space for use by either OS. that would be the optimal setup but i am not sure how to acheive it | 09:08 |
| head_victim | Depends on how much you trust reading and writing to ntfs from linux | 09:08 |
| head_victim | I haven't looked into it enough to know either way sorry | 09:08 |
| bioterror | Mofear, you can make a partition and mount it to /media/share or something and format it to ntfs | 09:09 |
| bioterror | linux has ntfs-3g for ntfs and it works perfectly | 09:10 |
| Mofear | alright good to know | 09:10 |
| Mofear | so feel like babysitting me while i play with some partitions in the installer? i think youre right that im overthinking it and am ready to get my feet wet | 09:10 |
| head_victim | bioterror: ah ok last time I played with it it was still very much a beta. | 09:10 |
| bioterror | must be years ago :D | 09:11 |
| head_victim | At least 2 or 3 | 09:11 |
| head_victim | Back when I still thought I should probably have some sort of windows installation. So probably at least 3 years ago. | 09:11 |
| Mofear | haha speaking of which am i illogical in thinking the same. first time ubuntu user but i have a laptop with windows | 09:12 |
| head_victim | It's ok Mofear it's something you'll come to in your own time. You need to decide what works best for you. | 09:14 |
| Mofear | i was under the impression that there are still some programs (one MMO in particular) that cant operate correctly through wine and doesnt have linux support | 09:14 |
| bioterror | I cant think any windows application that I would need in my home usage | 09:15 |
| duanedesign | yeah it depends on what you need to run. | 09:15 |
| Mofear | something to do with the hack prevention software in the game flagging wine and cancelling the run | 09:15 |
| head_victim | My gaming needs are met by Urban Terror which has a native linux client. It was the one thing I used to boot into windows for until I knew Urban Terror existed. Not the fanciest graphics but awesome gameplay (it's a FPS) | 09:16 |
| Mofear | i just feared going with a full install of linux for issues such as that | 09:16 |
| bioterror | head_victim, I play it too sometimes ;) | 09:16 |
| head_victim | bioterror: ah good to hear, I find it quite fun. I usually only play half an hour to an hour once or twice a week | 09:17 |
| Mofear | alright so after googling info about that particular game (Vindictus if it matters) looks like theres no fix for running it thru linux. so here i am at my partition screen again. :D | 09:28 |
| Mofear | i have a 104MB sda1 (for windows sys restore i believe) the rest is 1TB with about 25gb in use (windows). so if i want to change the windows partition how much should i leave for running some games and windows only apps? | 09:33 |
| Mofear | or should i set the windows partition to a small amount and establish another drive for installation of apps/games | 09:34 |
| Mofear | bioterror, head_victim, you two still here? | 09:39 |
| head_victim | Yeah for now | 09:39 |
| bioterror | I'm not going to take much part in that windows partition sizes and stuff | 09:41 |
| bioterror | as I am a guy who rides fixed gear bikes and uses oen OS on one computer | 09:41 |
| bioterror | :-) | 09:41 |
| Mofear | haha alright. well i would love input from you head :] | 09:42 |
| bioterror | I have no idea how huge these games are | 09:42 |
| bioterror | I have played in windows last time around year 2000 or something | 09:42 |
| Mofear | i will just leave a good chunk of my HD for the windows things. after i get more involved in linux or buy a seperate HD i can change things around | 09:43 |
| bioterror | oh well | 09:43 |
| Mofear | i am just confused by the fact that windows is using sda1 and sda2. yet for linux i need 3 partitions correct? | 09:43 |
| bioterror | you can boot livecd, start gparted, take space from windows, then move that empty space to linux partitions | 09:44 |
| bioterror | Mofear, for linux you technically need two partitions, or one ;) | 09:44 |
| bioterror | depends if you're going to use swap | 09:44 |
| Mofear | alright i will open that up now and i am planning on using swap | 09:45 |
| bioterror | then you need two partitions, one / and swap | 09:45 |
| bioterror | but you're planning to try different os's and things like that, you can have a good use for separate /home | 09:45 |
| bioterror | these are matter of taste | 09:46 |
| Mofear | well it is my understanding you are allowed 4 primary and more logical | 09:46 |
| bioterror | there's only one way to figure out these things and its trying and wondering what suits you the most best | 09:46 |
| Mofear | which 2 would i select as primary and which one as logical? | 09:46 |
| head_victim | Like I said, when I'm feeling lazy I just tell it to install beside the other OS and let it partition itself as it needs to | 09:47 |
| Mofear | is there a disadvantage to that? | 09:48 |
| Mofear | other then maybe not having exact numbers for /home, /, and swap | 09:48 |
| bioterror | nope | 09:48 |
| Mofear | or does that leave out /home and swap altogther | 09:48 |
| head_victim | For most users that is the best way (least hassle) if you have special needs then maybe but maybe not. | 09:48 |
| bioterror | it will make / and swap | 09:49 |
| head_victim | And /boot and /home all live within / | 09:49 |
| arun__ | hi.. hate to interrupt.. but am having trouble using apt-get.. so maybe someone can help me out here.. | 09:49 |
| head_victim | arun__: sure what's the error | 09:49 |
| arun__ | its just not able to locate any package | 09:49 |
| arun__ | i updated the sources.list file from the sources list generator, but still no luck | 09:50 |
| arun__ | error is that "E:unable to lcoate package gromacs" | 09:51 |
| head_victim | What sources.list generator are you referring to? | 09:53 |
| head_victim | It sounds like you have selected all the repos (multiverse, universe, etc) | 09:54 |
| arun__ | the one at http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ | 09:54 |
| arun__ | yes, i did select all the repos.. is that an issue? | 09:55 |
| head_victim | I've never used a repository generator, can you copy the contents of your sources.list file to pastebin for me? | 09:57 |
| head_victim | !pastebin | 09:57 |
| ubot2 | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 09:57 |
| arun__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/561325/ | 10:00 |
| head_victim | That's a LONG sources.list. First things first have you reloaded your sources (eg "sudo apt-get update" in the terminal)? | 10:03 |
| arun__ | yes. i did.. most of them, atleast the first 90% went without error... | 10:04 |
| arun__ | then the last few 3rd party repos failed, along with some other ones...one error was "W: Failed to fetch http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/restricted/source/Sources.bz2 Sub-process /bin/bzip2 returned an error code (2)" | 10:06 |
| head_victim | Nah the gromacs is in "universe" I just checked | 10:07 |
| head_victim | so the line in your sources is "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick universe" | 10:07 |
| head_victim | Are there any errors for that one? | 10:07 |
| arun__ | if i do apt-get update, its not on the output at all.. | 10:13 |
| head_victim | Hmm | 10:15 |
| arun__ | sorry.. i mis-spoke... there are no errors in that.. this is the entire output -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561332/ | 10:15 |
| geirha | arun__: Probably an issue with the mirror you are using. | 10:16 |
| geirha | In System -> Administration -> Software sources, change it to the main server and see if that helps. | 10:17 |
| geirha | Or, just wait a few hours and try again. The admins of that mirror will spot the issue and fix it eventually. | 10:20 |
| head_victim | arun__: what geirha said :D | 10:20 |
| arun__ | yeah.. i did that and its reloading.. hope this works.. | 10:21 |
| arun__ | or will it help if i change my country and check for another mirror | 10:21 |
| arun__ | who--hoo.. that did the trick.. peace!! | 10:22 |
| geirha | If there are other mirrors for your country, you could try one of those too, yes. Will likely be faster than the main server. | 10:23 |
| head_victim | Local servers are a godsend, we have metered internet content here but they have a local mirror that is unmetered. | 10:24 |
| bioterror | head_victim, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8248056.stm | 10:25 |
| arun__ | ah! ok.. its always a slower working mirror rather than one that doesn't work.. | 10:26 |
| bioterror | arun__, what's the hurry in a completed world ;) | 10:27 |
| tdn | I have just installed Ubuntu 10.10, but I have forgot the password I gave to my normal user during install. How do I reset this? I can start up and login (autologin) but not sudo to root. | 10:28 |
| geirha | arun__: Well, switch back to the fastest one in some hours. I don't know what software they use for those mirrors, but it appears to have some bug that causes this. Though it's very rare. | 10:28 |
| Mofear | i never properly thanked you two for your help earlier. done with the install and learning my new OS now :D | 10:30 |
| tdn | Maybe I should add that I am pretty sure that I do remember the password. But it will not accept it. It is a very short password. 4 chars. | 10:30 |
| arun__ | seems my time is up... @geirha and @head_victim: will check out the mirror in a few hours.. anyways, thanks u guys for the time!! | 10:30 |
| head_victim | bioterror: I get 4.2 MB/s from my mirror so that's probably about as good as residential internet gets in Australia | 10:34 |
| bioterror | head_victim, that's okay | 10:34 |
| head_victim | It's not great but it's about as good as it gets in Australia :/ | 10:35 |
| bioterror | if I get over 2MB/s, I'm happy | 10:36 |
| Mofear | hey new problem! i installed some drivers and updated packages as automated and now on boot up i get some strange vertical/horizontal flashing lines and a black screen | 10:36 |
| head_victim | Mofear: does it eventually get into the install though? | 10:36 |
| Mofear | its been about 1-2 minutes and hasnt | 10:36 |
| head_victim | Hmm, so did you do anything but what it suggested?? | 10:37 |
| Mofear | i tried a hard reset the last time and hit escape in grub to go into recovery mode as someone suggested. didnt make a difference | 10:37 |
| gunndawg | Hey are there any specific things to make sure you do every now and again in order to keep the system clean, and in order ? | 10:37 |
| gunndawg | I guess I usually call it doing "maintenance" | 10:38 |
| Mofear | all i did since install was install VLC. install a driver for my video card as it found. and ran some update option from within the software center. | 10:38 |
| head_victim | Mofear: sounds like a graphics problem, does it get past grub and then stop or does it stop before grub, or at the login? | 10:39 |
| Mofear | past grub but before login | 10:39 |
| bioterror | Mofear, which driver? are you having ati or nvidia? | 10:39 |
| Mofear | ati | 10:39 |
| bioterror | okay | 10:39 |
| bioterror | you installed fglrx or what ever it is | 10:40 |
| bioterror | which radeon you have? | 10:40 |
| * head_victim hands over to bioterror as I have no experience with ati driver issues | 10:40 | |
| Mofear | sapphire. one second and i can get you the exact specs | 10:41 |
| bioterror | is it hd385423420492424234 | 10:41 |
| bioterror | :D | 10:41 |
| Mofear | its the 6850 | 10:42 |
| bioterror | oh snap | 10:42 |
| Mofear | SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity | 10:42 |
| Mofear | straight from newegg lol | 10:42 |
| bioterror | too new, too hot | 10:43 |
| bioterror | you cant use radeonhd drivers | 10:43 |
| gunndawg | hey is using Gconf-cleaner a bad idea? | 10:44 |
| gunndawg | seems like a nice tool but I have read a few warnings about it | 10:44 |
| Mofear | bioterror, so what is the fix? i only installed the recommened driver ubuntus driver tool found | 10:45 |
| bioterror | take it easy! | 10:45 |
| bioterror | Mofear, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates this is your fix | 10:46 |
| Mofear | if its not to much trouble how do i get back into ubuntu and implement these | 10:47 |
| bioterror | from grub, choose recovery | 10:48 |
| bioterror | but I'm off to McDonalds, I want to try double quater pounder :D | 10:48 |
| bioterror | I'm not really a huge ati guy, but I have radeon 3850 or something and I can use opensource drivers ;) | 10:49 |
| Mofear | alright well i should still be here when you get back. i launched recovery mode and low graphics mode | 10:50 |
| Mofear | not sure the next steps | 10:50 |
| Mofear | head_victim do you know how i would go about using those packages he linked to me | 10:52 |
| Mofear | **nevermind think i found something | 10:53 |
| head_victim | Mofear: yeah you will need to add that ppa and then update | 10:53 |
| Mofear | it would seem logical to remove the old driver i had just installed as well. that make sense to you? | 10:54 |
| head_victim | It should just update | 10:56 |
| Mofear | alright ive updated and it says reading package lists... Done. does this differ from installed? is there another step? | 11:02 |
| Mofear | @head_victim i probably should ping you this way. i did the sudo apt-get update after adding that ppa. whats the next command? i tried sudo apt-get install and it appears to do nothing | 11:08 |
| head_victim | Mofear: I'd "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" | 11:08 |
| Mofear | ahh upgrade | 11:08 |
| MrChrisDruif1 | You could even add -y to the upgrade so it auto-accepts all upgrades :P | 11:13 |
| Mofear | good tip :] although the fix allowed me to launch just fine without the bootscreen crash i still cant enable extra appearence effects | 11:15 |
| Mofear | im back. internet on the fritz from our blizzard it seems. anyone still available to help with my graphics issue? | 11:45 |
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| gunndawg | how come when I run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" it says "The following packages have been kept back: | 12:58 |
| gunndawg | upstart | 12:58 |
| gunndawg | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. | 12:58 |
| gunndawg | " | 12:58 |
| JoeMaverickSett | gunndawg: i think some dependencies weren't met. try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" again maybe. mine just got upgraded. | 12:59 |
| gunndawg | JoeMaverickSett, thx | 13:01 |
| JoeMaverickSett | gunndawg: no problem. i had the same thing about 1-2days, until it got upgraded today. :) | 13:03 |
| MrChrisDruif | What's up with the upstart update? | 13:59 |
| casey | How can I view my networked windows shares? ubuntu netbook edition, I have Samba installed, but I can't find the "places" that all the tutorials describe | 14:30 |
| duanedesign | hello casey | 14:34 |
| duanedesign | casey: good question | 14:35 |
| duanedesign | casey: if you open nautilus you should have a 'netwoork' entry on the left | 14:36 |
| casey | nautilus? | 14:38 |
| JoeMaverickSett | casey: it's the file manager, it normally opens if you open up your home folder and such. | 14:38 |
| casey | it comes with some kind of "unity" interface | 14:38 |
| duanedesign | casey: or you can open a Terminal and type the command - nautilus | 14:39 |
| bioterror | sounds difficult :o | 14:39 |
| duanedesign | there should be a File manager button in the Launcher on the left | 14:39 |
| duanedesign | hello bioterror | 14:39 |
| casey | thats much better | 14:40 |
| casey | that launcher thing sucks | 14:40 |
| bioterror | hi duane | 14:41 |
| bioterror | casey, you're always welcome to try out lubuntu with your netbook ;) | 14:41 |
| casey | nautilus was what I needed I just couldn't find it and I didn't know what it was called | 14:41 |
| casey | lubuntu? for laptops? | 14:42 |
| bioterror | http://lubuntu.net/ | 14:42 |
| duanedesign | lubuntu is very snappy. I keep a LXDE install for when I am tired of Gnome | 14:48 |
| casey | I'm pretty happy with Gnome | 14:48 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 14:48 |
| AbhijiT | hi | 14:48 |
| JoeMaverickSett | hello s-fox :) | 14:48 |
| casey | if I can just figure out how it works | 14:49 |
| duanedesign | hey its s-fox ! | 14:52 |
| duanedesign | s-fox: how is my favorite fox of silver color? | 14:52 |
| AbhijiT | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii duanedesign :) | 14:52 |
| duanedesign | AbhijiT: :) | 14:52 |
| AbhijiT | duanedesign, how is my design of duane?????? | 14:52 |
| AbhijiT | :P | 14:52 |
| AbhijiT | :D | 14:52 |
| s-fox | Hello AbhijiT , JoeMaverickSett and duanedesign | 14:53 |
| s-fox | How are you three ? | 14:53 |
| AbhijiT | Good! | 14:53 |
| JoeMaverickSett | i'm very much fine. hope you are as well. :) | 14:53 |
| * AbhijiT just got the chance to give seminar on foss for this sem!!! | 14:53 | |
| * s-fox is fine thank you duanedesign . I am revitalising the ubuntu community interviews - http://serial-coder.co.uk/?1128 | 14:54 | |
| duanedesign | s-fox: nice | 14:54 |
| duanedesign | I have a bunch of Ubuntu Development Screencasts to do | 14:54 |
| duanedesign | need to find time to do them | 14:54 |
| JoeMaverickSett | s-fox: about that; some peopel redented my dent about it on identi.ca :) | 14:55 |
| s-fox | duanedesign, Yes, I am excited for it, it was always popular. I am also going to attempt to get it to a wider audience through social media. Interesting to see the result | 14:55 |
| duanedesign | s-fox: i always liked them. I enjoy reading about our community friends | 14:55 |
| s-fox | Thank you JoeMaverickSett :) | 14:55 |
| JoeMaverickSett | you're welcome. :D glad to be of help. | 14:56 |
| AbhijiT | s-fox, i want bodhi zazan interview!!! | 14:58 |
| AbhijiT | zazen | 14:58 |
| s-fox | AbhijiT, Bodhi has done one already | 14:58 |
| AbhijiT | :o | 14:58 |
| AbhijiT | :( | 14:58 |
| AbhijiT | s-fox, link??? | 14:58 |
| s-fox | http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/12/08/an-interview-with-bodhizazen/ | 14:58 |
| AbhijiT | s-fox, thanks! | 14:59 |
| AbhijiT | s-fox, Think of like contributing to NPR or PBS. … The beer may be free, but you should tip the bartender. | 15:09 |
| AbhijiT | what is NPR andf PBS? | 15:10 |
| AbhijiT | s-fox, ?? | 15:10 |
| casey | how can you customize the motd for the terminal? | 15:14 |
| casey | is there an app for that? | 15:14 |
| paultag | casey: sudo nano /etc/motd | 15:15 |
| paultag | you might need to change the bootmisc to not overwrite it from the tail, but I can't remember | 15:16 |
| casey | I see some people run top as part of their background... how is that accomplished? Is it a special teminal or gDesklets/Karamba | 15:18 |
| paultag | casey: conky | 15:18 |
| paultag | mostly | 15:18 |
| casey | So... I can just use: sudo apt-get conky | 15:20 |
| casey | right? | 15:20 |
| paultag | casey: apt-get install conky | 15:20 |
| casey | linux is getting easier than windows everyday, thanks | 15:21 |
| paultag | casey: sure :) | 15:21 |
| johnny77 | paultag: I don't mean to interrupt, but for my own information you need a certain type of Window Manager to use conky right? | 15:23 |
| paultag | johnny77: nosir! You need something called compositing if you want to use "real" transparency -- such as docky / gnome-do ( but gnome-do can run without it ) | 15:24 |
| paultag | johnny77: other widget layers such as plasmoid or whatever else may needsomething like compiz to do compositing | 15:24 |
| paultag | my widget know-how is way out of date | 15:25 |
| johnny77 | paultag: Can I use compiz to do the compositing if my windows manager doesn't do it? | 15:26 |
| paultag | johnny77: compiz is a window manager | 15:27 |
| paultag | johnny77: so most people use compiz + gnome, but you can use compiz + kde, if you want | 15:27 |
| paultag | but that's mostly out of date, since kwm can do it | 15:27 |
| paultag | johnny77: but not fluxbox or openbox. xfce is OK, though | 15:28 |
| paultag | since Xfce's window manager is Xfwm | 15:28 |
| paultag | (that's why you run compiz with --replace) | 15:28 |
| paultag | (because it replaces metacity / xfwm) | 15:29 |
| paultag | johnny77: cool? | 15:31 |
| johnny77 | paultag: Yeah, I understand. There is just so much to learn just to cover the basic stuff. Each time I think I get something, it's not quite what I thought. | 15:34 |
| paultag | johnny77: :) | 15:35 |
| paultag | johnny77: feel free to ask whatever you're confused about, someone in here'll know | 15:35 |
| s-fox | +1 paultag :) | 15:39 |
| paultag | hey s-fox | 15:39 |
| paultag | s'new? | 15:39 |
| s-fox | Hey babe | 15:39 |
| s-fox | Oh, you know busy busy busy :) | 15:39 |
| s-fox | You? | 15:39 |
| johnny77 | paultag: I'm sure to ask when I'm confused. It's when I'm sure it's one way and I'm totally wrong. | 15:39 |
| paultag | johnny77: Ahh. Yeah, it'll do that a lot. I still get that | 15:40 |
| paultag | s-fox: not bad, not bad | 15:40 |
| s-fox | paultag, Trying to cause a buzz about the Ubuntu Community Interviews. I am restarting them again | 15:41 |
| paultag | s-fox: woo! | 15:41 |
| johnny77 | Here's one thing I'm a little confused about. In simple terms in runs Kernel, Desktop Environment, Window Manager. | 15:44 |
| paultag | johnny77: it's actually just a tad more complex then that | 15:47 |
| paultag | johnny77: so, there's the kernel. The kernel provides a unified interface for libraries to talk with the hardware in a sane way, and request smart things, such as RAM | 15:48 |
| paultag | johnny77: libraries providide a sane and smart interface for applications, so that we can just call malloc(), without knowing which signal the kerenel wants | 15:48 |
| paultag | johnny77: everything you "see" from bash to WM/DEs runs at this level | 15:48 |
| paultag | johnny77: a Window Manager is something that lets you drag windows. It's what moves windows and draws them on the screen | 15:49 |
| paultag | johnny77: the DE is the collection of all the applications that create windows, such as panels, menu interfaces, network managers | 15:49 |
| johnny77 | The window manager is within the DE when there is a DE, right? | 15:50 |
| paultag | johnny77: so, for gnome, stuff like gnome-panel are part of the DE, but metacity is the window manager | 15:50 |
| paultag | johnny77: kinda sorta. the DE is actually inside the window manager | 15:50 |
| paultag | if you can say that | 15:51 |
| paultag | johnny77: but you can "drag" the DE between window managers -- such as kwm, xfwm, fluxbox, openbox, compiz, metacity | 15:51 |
| paultag | , unity, mutter | 15:51 |
| paultag | although unity is just compiz | 15:52 |
| paultag | but whatever. | 15:52 |
| johnny77 | paultag: thanks, that actually clears up a lot. I thought the WM was within the DE so it confused me that I can only run a WM. Now that I know the DE is actually inside the WM, it makes sense that I can run only a WM. | 15:55 |
| paultag | johnny77: :) | 15:55 |
| johnny77 | is there a way to get a list of what you can change with update-alternatives? | 16:07 |
| paultag | humm, not sure | 16:07 |
| paultag | don't think so | 16:08 |
| paultag | I know you can list the options for each option | 16:08 |
| paultag | by using --query or something like that | 16:08 |
| paultag | brb | 16:08 |
| sprawl | I am having an issue with my wireless connection dropping about every 2 minutes (web pages timing out), then working for a couple of minutes then dropping again. The connection icon in the task bar says I'm still connected at about 70%.I have a dual boot system and the wireless works fine in opensuse but not in Ubuntu 10.10 | 17:16 |
| sprawl | any ideas? | 17:16 |
| sprawl | is this the correct channel for me to be posting this in? | 17:22 |
| johnny77 | sprawl: depends on your problem. | 17:23 |
| johnny77 | sprawl: what is your question? | 17:23 |
| sprawl | I am having an issue with my wireless connection dropping about every 2 minutes (web pages timing out), then working for a couple of minutes then dropping again. The connection icon in the task bar says I'm still connected at about 70%.I have a dual boot system and the wireless works fine in opensuse but not in Ubuntu 10.10 | 17:24 |
| sprawl | any ideas on what I should try? | 17:25 |
| johnny77 | sprawl: Your probably in the correct channel, whoever, I'm pretty new and don't know what could be causing that. | 17:26 |
| johnny77 | Are you running default Ubuntu? | 17:27 |
| sprawl | what do you mean? | 17:27 |
| omoleye | is there a way to change the text on the boot screen? | 17:28 |
| sprawl | i did try running ubuntu from the cd and it did the same thing - does that answer your question? | 17:28 |
| omoleye | like the boot selection screen can I remove the older versions of ubuntu and just call it ubuntu | 17:29 |
| seidos | sprawl: what version of ubuntu ("default" ubuntu is probably a reference to 10.10) | 17:30 |
| sprawl | yes it is the latest stable regular build of plain ubuntu | 17:30 |
| johnny77 | seidos: I was thinking more with the default DE and WM. He didn't go in and change anything. | 17:31 |
| seidos | johnny77: ah, i see. i supposed DE would make a difference. | 17:32 |
| sprawl | whats a DE | 17:32 |
| seidos | sprawl: have you tried figuring out what wireless chip you have using lspci? | 17:32 |
| sprawl | yes, hang on.. | 17:32 |
| seidos | sprawl: desktop environment, like gnome, lxde... | 17:32 |
| omoleye | can anybody point me in the right direction to change the name of the OS's in the boot menu? | 17:32 |
| Dangr_ | Hello everyone - I'm looking to edit some small videos with Avidemux - but there is a QTand GTK+ version. Any idea which one I should install or anything I need to know about? I don't really know much about QT or GTK+ | 17:33 |
| sprawl | Intel Corporation WiFi Link 5100 | 17:33 |
| sprawl | system is an ASUS G50vt laptop | 17:34 |
| seidos | sprawl: have you tried searching the web for "intel corporation wifi link 5100 ubuntu troubleshooting"? | 17:35 |
| sprawl | let me go try that thanks! | 17:36 |
| johnny77 | omoleye: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/17787/clean-up-the-new-ubuntu-grub2-boot-menu/ check this out. | 17:36 |
| seidos | sprawl: well, if you get it working without us, tell us about it #ubuntu-beginners-team | 17:37 |
| seidos | :) | 17:37 |
| sprawl | cool - i'l be back | 17:37 |
| omoleye | thank you Jonny | 17:40 |
| johnny77 | omoleye: did that get you what you needed? | 17:43 |
| johnny77 | omoleye: no problem. | 17:43 |
| omoleye | yeah it looks like it | 17:49 |
| omoleye | Im going to look at the forum for more detials | 17:50 |
| kristian-aalborg | were NASA running unix for the Apollo program? | 17:53 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: hehehehe | 17:54 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: the apollo crafts were programmed using transistors | 17:54 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: there ws no OS, and hardly a computer :) | 17:55 |
| kristian-aalborg | http://www.linux.com/news/software/developer/29068-apollo-11-story | 17:55 |
| paultag | Hell, it was designed with slide-rules | 17:55 |
| omoleye | lol | 17:55 |
| kristian-aalborg | just found this, paultag | 17:55 |
| * paultag opens | 17:55 | |
| kristian-aalborg | hmm... unix goes back to... 69? | 17:55 |
| paultag | sec, my net sucks | 17:55 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: I mean, UNIX was written in C, so 1973 ? | 17:56 |
| paultag | but I don't think UNIX was written with the release of C | 17:56 |
| paultag | something makes me think that UNIX did not exist for apollo 11 | 17:57 |
| kristian-aalborg | so it seems | 17:57 |
| bioterror | paultag, they were busy switchin those cards with holes | 17:57 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: yeah, nothing in that article says they used UNIX | 17:57 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: just that it was a sort of open source | 17:57 |
| kristian-aalborg | if it did, it might have taken too much space (pun accidental) to have the computer for it on the spacecraft | 17:57 |
| paultag | bioterror: :) | 17:57 |
| paultag | kristian-aalborg: heyo :) | 17:57 |
| johnny77 | omoleye: sorry, had to jump off for a minute. If you need any more help come back. | 18:02 |
| omoleye | will do thank you | 18:04 |
| s-fox | Goodbye. | 18:07 |
| kristian-aalborg | paultag: it really went fast from circa 1970 to circa 1975, huh? | 18:10 |
| casey | Why do I not see the motd when I start a terminal? Is there setting somewhere that needs to be enabled? | 18:10 |
| _CommandeR_ | anyone done some libreoffice formulas here? | 18:27 |
| johnny77 | _CommandeR_: what are you looking for? | 18:48 |
| _CommandeR_ | well how you do exponents | 18:51 |
| _CommandeR_ | libreoffice seems quite f upp with it | 18:52 |
| johnny77 | _CommandeR_: What problem are you having specifically? it looks like #^# will do exponents. | 18:53 |
| _CommandeR_ | yeah i need to type NO sub 3 sup - | 18:53 |
| _CommandeR_ | but it wants something after the negative and leving a blank will give a upsidedown question mark | 18:54 |
| johnny77 | you are typing "NO sub 3 sup -" without the quotes into a cell? | 18:55 |
| _CommandeR_ | with quotes removes the ^ and under_ | 18:57 |
| _CommandeR_ | need NO_3 and ^- | 18:58 |
| johnny77 | _CommandeR_: your trying to do a negative exponent, right? | 18:59 |
| _CommandeR_ | if you got libreoffice type = NO sub 3 ^-1 | 19:00 |
| _CommandeR_ | this gives a good but i do not want the number only the negative | 19:01 |
| _CommandeR_ | the formula plugin really gets on my nerve | 19:03 |
| johnny77 | _CommandeR_: If I type = NO sub 3 ^-1 right into a cell I get an err:509 | 19:04 |
| johnny77 | _CommandeR_: I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to do. | 19:04 |
| _CommandeR_ | using libre office formula thing ? | 19:04 |
| johnny77 | What do you click to get the formula thing. | 19:05 |
| johnny77 | the function wizard? | 19:05 |
| _CommandeR_ | in a textdocument | 19:05 |
| _CommandeR_ | insert - > object -> formula | 19:05 |
| johnny77 | sorry my bad. give me a second. | 19:05 |
| johnny77 | I thought you were talking about a spreadsheeet.... | 19:06 |
| _CommandeR_ | noes noes :P | 19:06 |
| johnny77 | try taking out the = and space and just type NO sub 3 ^-1 and see if that is what you want. | 19:07 |
| _CommandeR_ | i do not use the = was just showing it for you :P | 19:08 |
| johnny77 | I've typed in NO sub 3 ^-1 and I'm not getting any upside down question marks. | 19:09 |
| _CommandeR_ | because you got -1 | 19:10 |
| _CommandeR_ | remove 1 and you will get it | 19:10 |
| johnny77 | So you want a superscripted negative sign without a number after it. | 19:10 |
| _CommandeR_ | yes | 19:10 |
| johnny77 | I understand why it is putting the question mark. It's expecting something and letting you know that you are forgetting it. Now, we try to trick it. :) | 19:13 |
| _CommandeR_ | found a negative its not perfect | 19:13 |
| johnny77 | Have you been over to #libreoffice? Maybe they can help you more, sorry. | 19:14 |
| johnny77 | what did you find? | 19:15 |
| _CommandeR_ | it is not a user support channel :/ here = https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqczct2z0gdmqht/laboration_7.odt | 19:15 |
| _CommandeR_ | its not pretty however should work.. | 19:16 |
| johnny77 | I think it looks good. Sorry, I wish I could help more.... | 19:17 |
| johnny77 | Sorry, but I gotta run. | 19:18 |
| _CommandeR_ | yeah thank you anyway :P o( | 19:18 |
| s-fox | Hello. | 19:19 |
| kumaanki | hi again.. | 19:19 |
| kumaanki | bye everyone ! | 19:23 |
| s-fox | Goodbye kumaanki | 19:24 |
| kristian-aalborg | aye aye aye... my box just logged out of the desktop by itself? | 21:45 |
| kristian-aalborg | (this is the machine that has been acting up with the sudden deaths) | 21:45 |
| kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/ytxqMkqu - here's dmesg | 21:48 |
| seidos | ¡Ay, caramba! | 21:52 |
| * seidos reads dmesg | 21:52 | |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: what is sda5 and sdb1? | 21:54 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: line 549, "resume from disk failed"? | 21:54 |
| kristian-aalborg | seidos: my hdd's | 21:54 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: line 646 to 653 don't look good -_- | 21:55 |
| * kristian-aalborg looks | 21:55 | |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: so it's logging out of the desktop environment? you're using gnome i gather as your DE? and this is a maverick install? | 21:56 |
| kristian-aalborg | seidos: gnome yes, mint 10 | 21:56 |
| kristian-aalborg | seidos: I've had my box rebooting out of the blue recently, sometimes it won't start up until after an hour or so | 21:57 |
| kristian-aalborg | it keeps boting to bios/grub/a bit of the OS, then goes back to 0 | 21:58 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: ah, rebooting. i thought just "logging out of DE = gnome" | 21:58 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: it looks like your hdd is dying T_T | 21:58 |
| kristian-aalborg | this time, I only got kicked out of gnome | 21:58 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: how old is it, and what brand? | 21:58 |
| kristian-aalborg | 4 years, CrapPC | 21:58 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: never heard of CrapPC. they are a hdd vendor? ;) | 21:59 |
| jamiedmattingly | wow they actually named their brand crappc thats hilarious | 21:59 |
| kristian-aalborg | http://pastebin.com/s9w3vBfW <--- lspci | 22:00 |
| kristian-aalborg | they did not... I did | 22:00 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: it doesn't say in lspci what the vendor of your hdd is. but i am asking only out of curiosity. | 22:01 |
| kristian-aalborg | erm... samsung? | 22:01 |
| kristian-aalborg | can't remember how to list it | 22:01 |
| casey | I can't seem to change the font size in evolution mail | 22:02 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: you and me both. i'm going to try sudo lshw | 22:02 |
| casey | anyone know how it can be changed? | 22:02 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: yeah lshw has it | 22:03 |
| seidos | casey: wish i did | 22:03 |
| kristian-aalborg | I have nonsense charachters in that one! | 22:03 |
| seidos | casey: i should start using evolution, actually. let me start it up | 22:03 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: me too | 22:03 |
| casey | I changed th font size under preferences but it seems to only change the font size within emails | 22:04 |
| kristian-aalborg | sudo hdparm -i /dev/sda <--- bingo | 22:06 |
| casey | Is there a better email client than evolution mail? I like the old Thunderbird, new version... not so much | 22:06 |
| kristian-aalborg | casey: there's one called sylpheed which is a bit lighter it seems - have not tried it | 22:07 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: that would be awesome, if it answered the original question "what is the vendor of your hdd" | 22:07 |
| kristian-aalborg | casey: if you're bold enough to go CLI, give alpine a shot | 22:07 |
| seidos | casey: i use gmail in a browser | 22:07 |
| kristian-aalborg | seidos: it does, but only when run on my computer ;) | 22:07 |
| casey | I'm way to new at *nix for almost anything CLI | 22:07 |
| kristian-aalborg | Model=SAMSUNG SP0822N, FwRev=WA100-34, SerialNo=S06QJ10L634634 | 22:08 |
| kristian-aalborg | Model=SAMSUNG HD321KJ, FwRev=CP100-13, SerialNo=S0MQJ1EQ401607 | 22:08 |
| kristian-aalborg | these are my babies | 22:08 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: ah, on my system the model is a cryptic number | 22:08 |
| kristian-aalborg | casey: fair enough | 22:08 |
| seidos | though it does have "ST in the front" | 22:09 |
| casey | seidos: I enjoy having my messages offline, otherwise gmail in the browser would be the way to go | 22:09 |
| seidos | i guess that could mean "seagate" | 22:09 |
| seidos | casey: yeah, i hear ya' | 22:09 |
| kristian-aalborg | ST is Seagate, I'm pretty sure | 22:09 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: it's definitely a seagate, it said so on the hdd. it also says so in lshw | 22:09 |
| kristian-aalborg | cat lshw.txt | grep SAM | 22:12 |
| kristian-aalborg | product: SAMSUNG SP0822N | 22:12 |
| kristian-aalborg | product: SAMSUNG HD321KJ | 22:12 |
| kristian-aalborg | there it was, I think | 22:13 |
| kristian-aalborg | best way to test my hdd's is to run a livecd of.... and then .... | 22:13 |
| kristian-aalborg | ? | 22:13 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: good question. i'm sure there are some reliability benchmarks. maybe try copying large files around on your hdd? | 22:14 |
| kristian-aalborg | yup, that is a tried and tested thing - copy a large file from one hdd to another, then md5sum it | 22:15 |
| kristian-aalborg | however, there might be some fitting rescue cd... will look into that | 22:15 |
| kristian-aalborg | seidos: thanks for spotting that, I'm often overwhelmed by dmesg and the like | 22:16 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: no problem. i just searched for "error" and "fail" | 22:17 |
| seidos | maybe that will help you out in the future (but hopefully, no more problems) | 22:17 |
| kristian-aalborg | like any reasonable person would | 22:17 |
| kristian-aalborg | I suspected something much more complex than a borked hdd... like some wire that got too hot or something | 22:18 |
| kristian-aalborg | the remedy for a broken hdd is thankfully simple | 22:18 |
| seidos | casey: so you use pop? | 22:19 |
| casey | This font thing is killing me. Evolution mail's font size is tied to gnome's application font settings. Can you override that and set the font size smaller on certain applications? through a config file or cmd switch? | 22:19 |
| casey | seidos: imap | 22:20 |
| seidos | kristian-aalborg: i unfortunately just had to deal with a borked hdd... | 22:20 |
| casey | I use imap | 22:20 |
| seidos | casey: all right, i'll set up evolution with imap | 22:20 |
| cprofitt | tronyx: ping | 22:21 |
| casey | I just want a smaller font size on the list of emails in my inbox | 22:21 |
| casey | without change the font size globally | 22:21 |
| kristian-aalborg | hdd's are bad... it's like the technology is basically flawed | 22:22 |
| kristian-aalborg | I look forward to having flash take over, I think.... though it might prove to be even worse | 22:23 |
| casey | what about solid state drives | 22:23 |
| seidos | casey: i don't have any emails in my inbox...not sure how to make the font smaller though. | 22:24 |
| casey | can it be changed via a config file or something? | 22:24 |
| seidos | casey: i don't know. i'm searching the web | 22:27 |
| * seidos ponders if such a thing was possible in outlook | 22:29 | |
| kristian-aalborg | casey: I guess I meant ssd's, yes ;) | 22:29 |
| seidos | casey: there may be a way to do it by modifying something in the source code | 22:33 |
| casey | that sounds like something a newb like me should not be trying just yet | 22:34 |
| casey | thank you for looking though | 22:34 |
| seidos | casey: well, i'm going to try, and i'm a newb | 22:34 |
| casey | I gave up on linux years ago after try to configure slackware 8 thank god for ubuntu! Maybe I can finally get away from my pirated windows word | 22:37 |
| casey | *world | 22:38 |
| === Vetinari_ is now known as lukjad | ||
| johnny77 | omoleye: Did you get your problem figured out? | 23:27 |
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