[00:00] <broder> bryceh, RAOF: should i be doing any more advocacy for http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/3598/ than i already have?
[00:01] <RAOF> broder: Yes.  The next step is to add Adam's reviewed-by to your commit, and CC (or even just send to) keithp.
[00:02] <broder> RAOF: aha, ok thanks
[00:44] <rickspencer3> bryceh, chrisccoulson the new old glew seems to have fixed up my desktop
[00:44] <rickspencer3> though I haave 2 nm-indicators now
[00:47] <chrisccoulson> i sometimes get the 2 nm-indicators
[00:48] <chrisccoulson> killall indicator-application-service normally fixes that ;)
[00:48] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1a695a10138 is going to break the firefox menu :(
[00:48] <chrisccoulson> well, not specifically that, but, that in combination with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626825
[00:49] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 626825 in Menus "Hide redundant menu commands unless the user invokes the menu using the keyboard (make use of the openedWithKey attribute)" [Normal,Assigned]
[00:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, excellent
[00:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, so no further trouble getting X installed?
[00:51] <rickspencer3> bryceh, oh, it was pita, but RAOF helped me
[00:51] <rickspencer3> I needed some dpkg incantations
[00:51] <rickspencer3> killed a chicken and all that
[00:52] <bryceh> ok cool
[00:52] <RAOF> I'm a bit concerned about how you got apt into that situation, but my local upgrades have all gone fine, even when I've manually installed some of the pieces.
[00:53] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yeah I've been checking around all the reports of people with troubles and seems nearly all were just the expected "can't install xserver until drivers rebuild" we expected, with a few (mostly devs) who had xorg-edgers
[00:53] <rickspencer3> I am betting that I dist-upgraded in some magic 5 minute window
[00:54] <bryceh> RAOF, I wonder if there's a way we could configure things to give more useful errors when it's just that xserver is blocked by driver rebuilds.
[00:55] <RAOF> bryceh: You mean, have apt give better errors?
[00:55] <bryceh> RAOF, yeah either that, or when the error is caught by apport, have apport quell them from needing to file bugs
[00:55] <RAOF> Oooh, yeah.  Apport's an option, isn't it.
[00:56] <bryceh> maybe we can put it on the list to look at next time we do an abi bump
[01:02] <broder> RAOF, bryceh: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bugpatterns/ might be useful
[01:03] <broder> which is... lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns
[01:05] <bryceh> broder, yeah we should investigate that
[01:05] <bryceh> what I've suspected though is by the time we know what the bug report's going to look like we already have a ton of them and the issue has passed :-)
[01:06] <bryceh> but yeah in this case I think we know enough about the way the bug title will be formatted to do that
[01:06] <bryceh> I'll todo myself to investigate
[01:07] <RAOF> I suspect that *some* of the problem will be ameliorated with the dependency rework.
[01:07] <RAOF> There'll then be a unidirectional driver->xorg-{video,input}-abi dependency, which should be easier for apt.
[01:09] <rickspencer3> maybe the apt-error could say "try -f, if that doesn't work /msg RAOF"?
[01:09] <RAOF> :P
[01:09] <rickspencer3> if nothing else, that would be motivations for ensuring these issues don't occur too much
[01:10] <rickspencer3> :)
[07:41] <didrocks> good morning
[07:44] <kenvandine> good morning didrocks
[07:44] <didrocks> hey kenvandine
[07:45] <didrocks> should be late for you :)
[07:45] <kenvandine> still morning :)
[07:45] <didrocks> hehe :)
[07:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: did you follow the discussion on the driver bug?
[07:45] <kenvandine> the one crashing unity?
[07:45] <kenvandine> it was glew
[07:46] <kenvandine> reverted the sync from debian and all is good now
[07:46] <didrocks> oh ok, seeing the upload
[07:46] <didrocks> ok :)
[07:46] <didrocks> thanks for the info kenvandine!
[07:46] <kenvandine> bryceh will investigate post a2
[07:46] <kenvandine> np
[07:47] <kenvandine> glad that is behind us
[07:47] <kenvandine> this bug where i can't click on the launcher is far worse than ever for me though
[07:47] <kenvandine> i have noticed it a few times in the past... but it keeps happening today
[07:48] <kenvandine> not just the launcher, a little bit ago i couldn't click in firefox either
[07:48] <didrocks> that's weird that it only happens on the launcher for you
[07:48] <didrocks> ah
[07:48] <didrocks> so you have the invisible window I told yesterday
[07:48] <kenvandine> and i haven't run libreoffice
[07:48] <didrocks> look at the meeting page, there is a link about it :)
[07:48] <kenvandine> yeah
[07:50] <kenvandine> seems really weird that it just got significantly worse for me
[07:51] <kenvandine> oh well, bugs happen :)
[07:53] <didrocks> yeah :)
[08:08] <bbordwell> I have this line in my .bashrc: export DEBFULLNAME=Ben Bordwell
[08:08] <bbordwell> but if i run dch -i it says:  -- Ben <benbordwell@hotmail.com>  Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:06:34 -0600
[08:08] <bbordwell> Any ideas why it cuts out my last name?
[08:09] <pitti> Good morning
[08:10] <bbordwell> pitti, good morning
[08:10] <didrocks> hey pitti
[08:10]  * pitti waves to bbordwell and didrocks
[08:11] <didrocks> bbordwell: you should use "" -> export DEBFULLNAME="Ben Bordwell"
[08:11] <bbordwell> didrocks, thanks
[08:12] <didrocks> yw
[08:15] <kenvandine> good morning pitti
[08:17] <pitti> hey kenvandine, burning the midnight oil?
[08:17] <kenvandine> yup
[08:17] <kenvandine> hacking on morphing windows for empathy :)
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:25] <bbordwell> good morning
[08:46] <Sweetshark> Hi all!
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> hi Sweetshark!
[08:46] <bbordwell> hi
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> hi bbordwell
[08:57] <pitti> good morning Sweetshark
[08:57] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:57] <pitti> bonjour Monsieur! ca va?
[08:57] <seb128> hey Sweetshark, chrisccoulson
[08:57] <pitti> Sweetshark: parlez-vous Francais?
[08:57] <seb128> pitti, ca va très bien, et toi ?
[08:57] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[08:57] <pitti> Je vais bien, merci!
[08:58] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:58] <pitti> Juste un peu fatigué
[08:58] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark and chrisccoulson
[08:58] <Sweetshark> pitti: non
[08:59] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm well thanks
[08:59] <pitti> is it expected that clicking on the ubuntu icon still brings up an empty box?
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:59] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, you?
[08:59] <pitti> Sweetshark: ich auch nicht :) just beware of the French mafia here
[08:59] <seb128> pitti, known issue
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, good thanks
[08:59] <pitti> ok
[08:59] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti!
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, only the places should bring you something (slow as there is no optimization yet)
[09:00] <didrocks> pitti: but there are some bugs on places showing themselves empty (you have to empty the search bar again, then…)
[09:00] <pitti> files & folders kinda works (modulo icon corruption)
[09:00] <seb128> or showing wrong icosn
[09:01] <pitti> app menu doesn't
[09:01] <seb128> or not having working scrollbars
[09:01] <pitti> right
[09:01] <seb128> it's a first draft landing
[09:01] <Sweetshark> pitti: its been ages since learning it and while I can still get an idea when watching french tv, I need some serious training before talking again ...
[09:01] <seb128> not really something you can use
[09:02] <Sweetshark> pitti: but was good enough to keep me from starving at the last FOSDEM ...
[09:02] <seb128> lol
[09:03] <pitti> ugh .. or causing compiz to freeze and then crash..
[09:03] <pitti> Sweetshark: I never learned French at all, just Russian
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> sometimes i think that i should be learning french ;)
[09:03] <seb128> see!!!
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> lol
[09:03] <seb128> we just need to get pitti started now
[09:03] <RAOF> Yeah :)
[09:04] <seb128> then we can switch meetings etc
[09:04] <didrocks> +1
[09:04] <didrocks> voted :)
[09:04] <seb128> RAOF, sorry I was just thinking to the civilized world
[09:04] <pitti> A bas la révolution! 11!!
[09:04] <pitti> *cough*
[09:04] <seb128> RAOF, I forgot you and the others living during the night ;-)
[09:04] <RAOF> Or we could get you and didrocks to learn german.  I know a little german :)
[09:04] <pitti> RAOF: I like that much better
[09:04] <seb128> I've learnt german for 10 years
[09:05] <didrocks> something like that as well for me…
[09:05] <RAOF> You crazy Europeans and your learning of each others languages.
[09:05] <didrocks> but well… you don't want to hear me trying to speak it :)
[09:05] <RAOF> What will the world come to?!
[09:05]  * Sweetshark spend three weeks in Paris for three times (students exchange).
[09:06] <pitti> nice!
[09:06] <RAOF> It's all a plot to make the English-speaking world feel inadequate while you polyglots gloat in seven different languages :)
[09:06] <pitti> I spent my honeymoon there
[09:10] <Sweetshark> RAOF: we can count computer languages too, if you feel more comfortable then -- most of them are english dialects anyway ;)
[09:12] <seb128> brb
[09:21] <Sweetshark>  /win 1
[09:31] <seb128> didrocks, should I report a bug about
[09:31] <seb128> "unity-files-daemon: aucun processus trouvé
[09:31] <seb128> unity-applications-daemon: aucun processus trouvé
[09:31] <seb128> "
[09:31] <seb128> that's displayed in .xsession-errors on session start
[09:31] <didrocks> seb128: oh really? and are they launched?
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, yes, they are
[09:32] <seb128> it might just be trying with the wrong path first
[09:32] <didrocks> oh I know :)
[09:32] <didrocks> you are running trunk?
[09:32] <didrocks> at least, for the unity wrapper :)
[09:32] <seb128> then getting autoactivated over dbus or something
[09:32] <seb128> didrocks, no, it's pure natty
[09:32] <didrocks> ok, not that then
[09:32] <didrocks> seb128: yes, please file a bug
[09:33] <seb128> do you get that in .xsession-errors as well?
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[09:33] <didrocks> seb128: let me check in any case
[09:33] <didrocks> seb128: no, I don't have it
[09:33] <seb128> k
[09:33] <didrocks> seb128: but I see it tries to load the .place file twice
[09:34] <didrocks> do you have a leftover of a local install?
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, btw chrisccoulson get the libreoffice issue
[09:34] <didrocks> yeah, I saw that, at least, we have two people now
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> for me, it's not just with libreoffice though
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, "local install" is not something I do ;-)
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> i'm getting dead rectangles randomly in the middle of the screen
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> it's pretty difficult to use my laptop atm ;)
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: I know, in any case, had to asked… :-)
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, or rather my local install are locally built deb with version lower than the archive
[09:35] <seb128> so they don't stay
[09:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: this is the invisible windows
[09:35] <seb128> nor leave craps ;-)
[09:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: look at the desktop meeting report :p
[09:35] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, that's the best way to have a clean install
[09:35] <didrocks> seb128: in any case, I'll implement unity --distro so that it removes all known files :)
[09:36] <seb128> ;-)
[09:36] <didrocks> so, it tries to load places twice here
[09:36] <didrocks> interesting :)
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i wasn't sure if it was the same issue or not. xprop doesn't show me any information for the invisible window on the screen
[09:36] <chrisccoulson> do you see that too?
[09:37] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: yeah, I got that sometimes, but I would say, let's wait for the invisible window to be fixed first
[09:37] <didrocks> that should be related to your second issue
[09:38] <didrocks> I'm more puzzled about the LibreO one…
[09:38] <didrocks> tried on two machines, I don't get it :/
[09:49] <Sweetshark> didrocks: which issue is that?
[09:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, not a libreoffice one don't worry
[09:49] <didrocks> Sweetshark: some people have unity frozen on the viewport where they open LibreOffice. Shouldn't be a libreoffice issue though :)
[09:49] <didrocks> just another bug triggered by libreO
[09:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, it's just that unity tends to lock there on the workspace where libreoffice is ran
[09:50] <seb128> not sure why it does it specifically with it and not other applications though
[09:51] <Sweetshark> other applications mostly use gtk/qt, LO/OOo uses its own special VCL ...
[09:52] <seb128> whatever toolkit is used should not matter for the wm though
[09:52] <seb128> well in any case it seems a compiz or unity issue
[09:53] <Sweetshark> good (LO has enough issues all by itself ;) )
[10:07] <ricotz> seb128, hi, i looked into packaging gtk+3.0 2.99.3
[10:08] <ricotz> seb128, perhaps you want to have a look http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gtk+3.0/
[10:09] <seb128> ricotz, hey, do you use a vcs? would be easier to have a merge request against the ubuntu-desktop vcs for it
[10:10] <ricotz> seb128, sorry, no, or is this a packaging only branch?
[10:10] <seb128> ricotz, the ubuntu-desktop ones are debian dir only
[10:11] <ricotz> ok
[10:11] <seb128> ricotz, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3
[10:20] <ricotz> seb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/gtk/ubuntugtk3/+merge/48287
[10:20] <seb128> ricotz, thanks
[10:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have a chance to work on that appmenu crash bug yet?
[10:39] <seb128> is someone using several keyboard layout there on natty?
[10:39] <seb128> do you get working menus in the indicator?
[10:39] <seb128> like to switch layouts or display the current one or open the configuration dialog?
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i took a quick look at it last night. i couldn't reproduce it actually, but i took a look at what happens when menus are removed....
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> ...and i think i've identified a few memory errors there
[10:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how did you try to get it?
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i tried the steps in the bug report
[10:42] <seb128> like double clicking on a contact name in evo crashes the indicator there
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok. i'll try it again
[10:42] <seb128> i.e when you open the standalone dialog with the contact details
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> in any case, i think i can see a few problems there that are likely to make it crash
[10:42] <seb128> ok
[10:43] <seb128> the indicator stack is quite buggy still :-(
[10:45] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i might go over it with a fine toothed comb (valgrind) at some point ;)
[10:45] <seb128> lol
[10:45] <seb128> hum
[10:45] <seb128> so the g-s-d indicator issue
[10:46] <seb128> error sender=:1.353 -> dest=:1.207 error_name=org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod reply_serial=402
[10:46] <seb128>    string "L'interface « com.canonical.dbusmenu » n'existe pas pour l'objet à l'emplacement /org/ayatana/NotificationItem/gst_keyboard_xkb/Menu"
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> oh, yeah, g-s-d
[10:46] <seb128> that doesn't seem right
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> my menu doesn't work either ;)
[10:46] <seb128> in english "interface ... doesnt exist for the object at the location"
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> (i accidentally ended up with multiple layouts after the console-setup bug)
[10:52] <seb128> "   string "type='error'"
[10:52] <seb128> method call sender=:1.207 -> dest=:1.353 serial=412 path=/org/ayatana/NotificationItem/gst_keyboard_xkb/Menu; interface=com.canonical.dbusmenu; member=AboutToShow
[10:52] <seb128>    int32 0
[10:52] <seb128> bah, that's not right
[12:06] <mvo> mpt: hey, could you please draw a wireframe for the grid-view? where the buttons (more info, install, ratings) go to, what the summary should look like (and if it should be displayed at all)?
[12:08] <mpt> mvo, that's not for you and not targeted for Natty, it's for anyone else who has some spare time ;-)
[12:08] <mpt> But you're right it is a bit under-specified right now
[12:08] <mvo> mpt: thanks, still would be nice to get some basic drawings to get a idea what it should look like :)
[12:08] <mpt> yes
[12:11] <Sweetshark> seb128, didrocks: Is there any known workaround the "invisible LO window" issue without killing the session?
[12:12] <Sweetshark> (repost as didrocks just rejoined) seb128, didrocks: Is there any known workaround the "invisible LO window" issue without killing the session?
[12:12] <didrocks> Sweetshark: you can try to restart unity
[12:12] <didrocks> (with the unity command line)
[12:12] <didrocks> if it doesn't work, metacity --replace and then unity
[12:13] <didrocks> grrrr, sometimes I hate apport to prevent me reporting a bug :)
[12:13] <Sweetshark> is that "unity --reset"?
[12:14] <didrocks> Sweetshark: no, just "unity"
[12:14] <Sweetshark> didrocks: k
[12:20] <Sweetshark> didrocks: thanks, that worked mostly. Just one fullscreen window was struck beneath the menubar and wasnt moveable (as the window title bar was hidden) ...
[12:21]  * Sweetshark needs to learn compiz "move window" keybindings ...
[12:21] <didrocks> Sweetshark: yeah, that happens when restarting. We should maybe redecorate all existings window
[12:21] <didrocks> Sweetshark: alt + click?
[12:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, so you get this bug as well?
[12:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, sorry I was away at lunch when you asked
[12:22] <seb128> Sweetshark, you can alt-click_somewhere_in_the_dialog-dnd
[12:22] <didrocks> isn't what I said? :/
[12:22] <seb128> but it works only for unfocussed dialogs there for some reason
[12:23] <seb128> so I usually click some other applications and then do it on the dialog I want to dnd
[12:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: yep, I get the bug as well (with my first developer build of the LO repo head on this neat new install) ...
[12:23] <seb128> otherwise it doesn't move but just select as if alt was not pressed
[12:23] <seb128> didrocks, well I was adding details about the focussed dialog not moving issue
[12:24] <seb128> didrocks, I get that in a consistent way there, no profile reset or anything changed it
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: btw? can you file a bug about the focussed dialog can't be move? I didn't see anyone else reporting it
[12:24] <seb128> ok
[12:24] <didrocks> thanks
[12:24] <seb128> is anybody else there getting that?
[12:25] <seb128> i.e alt-click-dnd not working on focussed dialogs
[12:27] <pitti> works here on two different dialogs
[12:27] <seb128> it's weird, it works in xchat-gnome
[12:27] <seb128> but not in gedit for example
[12:30] <seb128> or in firefox
[12:30] <seb128> they just select text as if the click was a left click only
[12:32] <Sweetshark> it did work for gnome-terminal -- it also selects text there. But I was able to open an empty tab and then just dnd the tab to a new window.
[12:33] <seb128> ok, so it doesn't really work as it should either
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i get that in gedit ;)
[12:34] <seb128> \o/ not only me again
[12:34] <didrocks> gedit is working fine as well here :/
[12:34] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[12:34] <seb128> I'm sure didrocks as a special fixed version
[12:34] <didrocks> seems that seb128 and chrisccoulson like to share bugs :)
[12:34] <didrocks> seb128: use the --unbogus  option :)
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - for me, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
[12:35] <didrocks> seb128: well, with all my nvidia issues and crash at start, I think I have my share with major inconvenience :)
[12:35] <seb128> it's working when the dialog is not focussed there
[12:35] <seb128> like if I click on the nautilus background and then do alt-click-dnd it works
[12:36] <didrocks> speaking of bugs, the town siren is on for one hour and half now… I think they can't stop it :)
[12:37] <didrocks> seb128: just tried again, even with text in gedit, it doesn't try to select it but it moves it
[12:37] <seb128> well it's not needed text
[12:37] <seb128> like I've pinned gedit there
[12:37] <Sweetshark> didrocks: dont worry -- the invaders will leave the town soon on the other side ...
[12:38] <seb128> I go on an empty workspace
[12:38] <seb128> click on gedit
[12:38] <didrocks> Sweetshark: hehe :)
[12:38] <seb128> start pressing tab on the keyboard, left click in the middle of the gedit text widget and dnd
[12:38] <didrocks> seb128: still working there :/
[12:38] <seb128> the cursor stays as an edit one, it doesn't change to an hand
[12:39] <didrocks> I have the hand and it's moving
[12:39] <seb128> lucky you
[12:39] <didrocks> well, can we trade that bug with crash on startup? :)
[12:39] <seb128> I've also the crash on startup and no nautilus or gnome-panel
[12:39] <seb128> I need to go to a vt, run unity, switch back
[12:39] <seb128> then nautilus --quit etc
[12:40] <seb128> well that one started yesterday
[12:40] <didrocks> right
[12:40] <seb128> the dnd one is there for a bit
[12:40] <seb128> well I will not complain, at least once start it works
[12:40] <didrocks> this is the stack for the crash: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62972294/Stacktrace.txt
[12:40] <seb128> i.e I don't get those invisible dialogs issue
[12:41] <didrocks> the two really annoying bugs are the inivisible dialog and the crash at start
[12:41] <didrocks> hum, maybe we should test without the places to check if it's still crashes (maybe some slowdown in compiz not enabling initializing everything)
[12:41]  * didrocks tries on the netbook
[12:42] <didrocks> also, the session registration doesn't work as compiz isn't respawn
[12:42] <seb128> didrocks, try the dnd thing there as well while you are at it
[12:42] <didrocks> I think I tried it, let me check…
[12:43] <seb128> same with nautilus
[12:43] <didrocks> ok, so starting nautilus
[12:43] <didrocks> it's the only app on the ws
[12:43] <didrocks> alt + click and drag…
[12:43] <didrocks> works
[12:44] <seb128> ok, so dunno, could be video card specific or something
[12:44] <seb128> but that seems weird
[12:44] <didrocks> my netbook is intel
[12:45] <seb128> I will do a clean try, I just rsynced the daily iso
[12:45] <seb128> let me put it on an usb stick and try on the 10v
[12:45] <didrocks> ok :)
[12:47] <seb128> bah, stupid compiz
[12:47] <seb128> I can open usb-creator, it doesn't get mapped on screen
[12:48] <didrocks> the invisible window again :/
[12:48] <didrocks> at least, you know which one to kill this time :)
[13:21] <didrocks> still the siren outside…
[13:21] <didrocks> should maybe watch the news :)
[13:22] <didrocks> seb128: http://www.leprogres.fr/fr/region/le-rhone/rhone/article/4556975/Des-sirenes-devenues-folles-apres-un-bug-informatique.html (and no, it's not finished!)
[13:22] <seb128> lol
[13:22] <didrocks> and I'm in the 3rd arrondissement
[13:23] <didrocks> at 200m of Lacassagne…
[13:23] <jpds> Clearly not running Ubuntu.
[13:23] <didrocks> computer science bug, don't rely on it :)
[13:28] <didrocks> ok, trying a compiz fix, brb
[13:45] <Riddell> didrocks: Paris really has a public siren system?
[13:45] <didrocks> Riddell: I'm not anymore in Paris but in Lyon. And yeah, every town has
[13:46] <Riddell> but why?  Incase the Belgians invade?
[13:47] <pitti> our's (all bigger towns in East Germany have this) is still a relict from the cold war
[13:47] <didrocks> ahah, I'm not sure. Just know that it didn't work in world war 2, so now they make a 5 minutes test every first Wednesday of the month
[13:47] <pitti> didrocks: heh, here as well
[13:48] <pitti> so if anyone wants to send bombers, do it on Wednesday noon :)
[13:48] <didrocks> just this time, it was a 2:30 hour test this time :) (just finished)
[13:48] <didrocks> pitti: exactly :)
[13:53] <soren> When I was a kid, I think we tested them once a week. Now it's once a year (first Wednesday of May at noon).
[13:55] <soren> That's so rare the people always forget, so I used to send SMS's to people at 11:59 saying "Holy crap, ze Germans are coming!". :)
[13:56]  * bcurtiswx waves to room
[14:00] <seb128> hey soren
[14:00] <seb128> hey bcurtiswx
[14:00] <bcurtiswx> hey seb128
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, hello
[14:02] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[14:02] <seb128> mterry, how are you?
[14:03] <mterry> seb128, good.  Snowed in.  :)
[14:03] <seb128> oh, nice ;-
[14:03] <seb128> ;-)
[14:04] <seb128> mterry, ok, so I'm triaging a bit indicator and appmenu bugs, I've some to dispatch
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, heh, OK
[14:04] <seb128> do you have time to take on some? and do you prefer to pick those you want or to get those assigned to you?
[14:04] <mterry> seb128, I'm fine with being assigned bugs.  I'd enjoy getting appmenu up to snuff this cycle
[14:04] <seb128> mterry, there is no real hurry, it's mostly bug fixing to do before beta, earlier is better but it can wait as well
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm just testing a patch to fix this indicator-appmenu crash, and i managed to break it even more ;)
[14:05] <mterry> chrisccoulson, :)
[14:05]  * chrisccoulson goes back to drawing board
[14:05] <mterry> chrisccoulson, which one?  I looked at that shotwell bug yesterday.  Got some leads, but didn't fix it yet
[14:05] <seb128> mterry, ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/711749
[14:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711749 in indicator-application "Language indicator has USA even after removing it from keyboard settings" [High,Confirmed]
[14:05] <chrisccoulson> mterry, i'm looking at a crasher atm
[14:05] <seb128> is yours
[14:06] <seb128> mterry, the title is misleading, it'as rather "g-s-d indicator does nothing"
[14:06] <seb128> like the "show layout" or "run properties dialog" don't work either
[14:06] <mterry> seb128, k
[14:08] <seb128> mterry, the crash chrisccoulson is working on is bug #706941
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706941 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706941
[14:08] <MrChrisDruif> Hai everyone :)
[14:08] <chrisccoulson> the issue is basically that signal handlers aren't being disconnected and are running after things have been destroyed
[14:14] <ara> During Alpha 2 testing, in the Classic Desktop, jibel is seeing a full menu ala 10.10 (Applications/Places/System) while I only see a Ubuntu icon that shows a the menu (including Places and System) when clicked.
[14:14] <ara> how should it be?
[14:22] <MrChrisDruif> Does anybody know what's up with the upstart update? It doesn't install
[14:28] <MrChrisDruif> Hello?
[14:37] <pitti> MrChrisDruif: in maverick-updates?
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> Yes :)
[14:37] <pitti> MrChrisDruif: should be fixed now, eglibc went to maverick-updates as well
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> it's fixed already isn't it?
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> ah ;)
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, it is :D
[14:45] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: ok so in my case, I have an nvidia driver... after upgrade my screen was at 640x480
[14:46] <seb128> re
[14:46] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: mine is intel
[14:47] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: up to about 33% from the left side of the screen was a different shade of purple and windows wouldn't show up there
[14:47] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I get the alt-dnd issue on a usb stick as well on this computer
[14:47] <seb128> didrocks, on the "restart" dialog for example
[14:47] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: in my case im not using nvidia drivers and that happened to me too
[14:47] <seb128> nessita, hey
[14:47] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: I couldn't even change my resolution with System>Preferences>Monitor
[14:47] <seb128> nessita, bug #708018 happens on a liveCD every time I try to log in
[14:47] <ubot2> seb128: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/708018)
[14:47] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: all day yesterday i couldn't get unity to start up without doing 'unity --reset', after whch ssh-agent seemed unhappy, which made it a pain to do bzr push.  that's why after this break i decided to hop into wmii for a bit
[14:48] <didrocks> seb128: ok, open it then :)
[14:48] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: but now it's allf ixed?
[14:48] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: without the nvidia drivers?
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: so I installed grandr (a gtk app for xrandr). Change the resolution, and my screen was split as you mention! So I just started playing a bit, restarted gdm and now it's all fixed
[14:48] <nessita> seb128: looking
[14:48] <nessita> alecu: ping
[14:48] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: heh
[14:48] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: changed resolution to what?
[14:48] <hallyn> i'd like to change mine to 3000x2000 and have it just work :)
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: 1280x800
[14:49] <hallyn> (and use a 200pt font, on my 10" screen :)
[14:49] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: ok, i might give that a shot if i have to reboot at some point
[14:49] <RoAkSoAx> and the screen was split as you mention... but then I reduced the resolution, and put it back to 1280x800 and restarted gdm and magiacally everything was fixed
[14:49] <hallyn> i started up wmii, and magically everything was fixed and i felt like i controlled my windows again :)
[14:50] <hallyn> i have GOT to write a tiling compiz plugin to use with unity
[14:50] <hallyn> RoAkSoAx: thanks again for the heads-up :)  ttyl
[14:50] <RoAkSoAx> hallyn: no probs ;)
[14:52] <nessita> alecu: seb128 is telling me that bug #708018 is happening every time he tries to login on a liveCD. Would you be available to do a fix today, to put it in alpha2 release?
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708018 in ubuntu-sso-client "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with IndexError in prompt_handle(): list index out of range" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708018
[14:53] <seb128> nessita, not sure they will roll new iso so it might not get in a2
[14:53] <seb128> nessita, check with pitti if you get a fix though
[14:53] <nessita> seb128: oh, really?
[14:53] <pitti> we are currently rebuilding ISOs; hopefully not yet another time
[14:54] <nessita> seb128: do you know of anyone else that is suffering from this?
[14:54] <seb128> nessita, didn't check but it seems like it's happening on the liveCD for anyone using it
[14:54] <seb128> not sure on the installed system though
[14:54] <seb128> will try that in a bit
[14:55] <nessita> seb128: ok, please let me know
[14:57] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, do you have time to work on preparing empathy 2.33.1 for natty?
[14:58] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i'll be able to work on it intermittently throughout the day
[14:58] <kenvandine> sure, no rush... can't upload it until after a2 :)
[14:58] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, thx!
[14:59] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, np
[15:02] <alecu> nessita, looking
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> is anybody getting submenus not appearing when navigating the appmenu in the panel?
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> oh, actually....
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if i've broken the menus or if they were broken already :/
[15:08] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i think that is an intermitten problem
[15:08] <kenvandine> restart your session and see if it happens again
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, that might be why i thought that my patch broke it, but i downgraded and it still happened
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> and then it stopped
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> and then it started again ;)
[15:08] <chrisccoulson> heisenbug!
[15:11] <ricotz> seb128, hi, do you had time yet to look a the gtk3 merge?
[15:24] <seb128> re
[15:24] <seb128> didrocks, bug #711911 for the dnd issue
[15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711911 in unity "often can't alt-click-dnd to move the focussed dialog" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711911
[15:24] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[15:24] <fta> tseliot, hi, will nvidia-current be updated for alpha 2 ?
[15:24] <seb128> yw
[15:25] <seb128> mterry, ok, bug #655241 is yours as well
[15:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655241 in appmenu-gtk "some applications show duplicated menus" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655241
[15:25] <tjaalton> fta: there is no version that works with the video abi ttbomk
[15:26] <mterry> seb128, thx
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, see current comment, the title is misleading
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, it's now "the piding account menu entry doesn't show up in the indicator"
[15:26] <seb128> mterry, thank you rather for working on those ;-)
[15:26] <mterry> seb128, I assume titles are misleading as a matter of course  :)
[15:27] <fta> tjaalton, hm, so nvidia users won't be able to update X? unless they use another driver i mean
[15:27] <seb128> mterry, I'm done for today btw so no need to run away ;-)
[15:27] <mterry> seb128, :)  I'm just doing patch pilot duty today (because I forgot again yesterday... /.\)   so all these bugs will have to wait
[15:28] <tjaalton> fta: yes, the upgrade should remove nvidia and leave users on nouveau (2d only on stock ubuntu atm)
[15:28] <seb128> mterry, is that a trick of yours?
[15:28] <seb128> mterry, no doing piloting but keeping the half a day until other tasks land on you and then use it to say you can't work on those? ;-)
[15:28] <mterry> seb128, yeah, that's why I don't do my pilot days when scheduled, so I can pull it out as an excuse
[15:28] <seb128> I see
[15:29] <seb128> ;-)
[15:29] <fta> tjaalton, ok, thanks. i won't be able to upgrade my desktops for a while then
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm scheduled as patch pilot for friday
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> i can never upload anything on the sponsor list though ;)
[15:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so make sure you finished fixing that crash before !
[15:29] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[15:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you really need to apply for upload rights
[15:32] <tseliot> fta: I don't think so
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i was going to until kenvandine's experience with the DMB. i'm going to have the same issues ;)
[15:33] <ricotz> seb128, so you cant look at the gtk3 merge today?
[15:35] <seb128> ricotz, I'm busy doing a2 testing, is there any hurry?
[15:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems they fixed it since, or at least discussed and said they would try to avoid having such discussion for known contributors
[15:36] <ricotz> seb128, ok, not really, but it is needed for g-s-d3
[15:41] <seb128> ricotz, ok, will try to review it, it breaks abi though so we will need to update other things in the ppa as well
[15:41] <ricotz> seb128, thanks, yeah this is right
[15:46] <ricotz> seb128, i will be back later
[15:47] <seb128> ok
[15:47] <seb128> hum
[15:47] <seb128> didrocks, compiz crashed on the livecd again... it's crash land today ;-)
[15:47] <seb128> pitti, bug #706193 seems to collecting duplicates, you might want to add it to your buglist or something
[15:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 706193 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'ICON_LOOKUP_USE_BUILTIN'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706193
[15:48] <Sweetshark> Hey all, are there any presentation templates available with canonical/ubuntu branding and are there any policies about their use?
[15:48] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey, there is some of those on the canonical website
[15:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, let me check
[15:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ is a start iirc
[15:49] <didrocks> seb128: still the same crash? (places are making unity crashing as well, right)
[15:51] <seb128> Sweetshark, or http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/
[15:51] <seb128> didrocks, seems to be places this time yeah
[15:54] <Sweetshark> seb128: thanks!
[15:54] <pitti> seb128: oh, thanks for pointing out
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, yw, just got it on the livecd
[15:57] <pitti> seb128: never saw that yet, but looks straightforward
[15:58] <seb128> pitti, not sure what did it, I tried to install the wifi driver on the 10v which was offline
[15:58] <seb128> it did hang for a while and I tried to cancel and a bit later apport triggered
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, hum, migrate_favorite.py crash on first start after install
[15:59] <seb128> but apport tells me the package is not a genuine ubuntu one, wth?
[15:59] <didrocks> seb128: oh? can you try to unpack it manually then?
[16:00] <seb128> oh, it says that for everything, I'm offline and it didn't manage to download the apt index
[16:00] <seb128> didrocks, "no such file or directory /home/ubuntu/.local/share/unity"
[16:00] <seb128> os.mkdir(data_path)
[16:00] <seb128> in get_log_file l26
[16:01] <seb128> didrocks, I will open a bug once I get online from this box
[16:02] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, still one the phone, sorry)
[16:02] <didrocks> seb128: feel free to assign it to me
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, you spend your life on the phone ;-)
[16:04] <seb128> oh, come on
[16:04] <desrt> it is difficult to talk to that man these days
[16:04] <seb128> can't connect to the wifi and jockey crashes on start
[16:05] <desrt> seb128: talking about alpha2? :)
[16:06] <seb128> desrt, yeah, trying on a config with sucking wifi (ie broadcom)
[16:06] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/711225 as well
[16:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711225 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with TypeError in _cleanup(): an integer is required" [Undecided,New]
[16:06] <seb128> pitti, it crashes on start on the installed system this way
[16:07] <pitti> seb128: thanks, looking
[16:13] <seb128> desrt, gsettings-data-convert crashes as well :p
[16:13] <desrt> mclasen wrote it :)
[16:18] <seb128> desrt, seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/704006
[16:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 704006 in gconf "gsettings-data-convert crashed with SIGSEGV in dconf_engine_get_state()" [Medium,New]
[16:18] <nessita> seb128: the bug you pinged me about is right now being worked now by alejandro, he already managed to reproduce
[16:18] <seb128> desrt, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62372214/Stacktrace.txt
[16:18] <desrt> k.  curious again :)
[16:18] <seb128> nessita, excellent, thanks
[16:19] <nessita> seb128: can you confirm the SSO registration/login prompt for U1 is no longer appearing for you?
[16:19] <desrt> seb128: i think i know this bug
[16:19] <desrt> mterry already picked it up in some tests a while ago
[16:19] <seb128> nessita, no longer?
[16:19] <desrt> the obvious fix is necessarily inelegant
[16:19] <desrt> so i'm trying to figure out a less-obvious fix :)
[16:19] <nessita> seb128: yeah, is no longer appearing at login for you, it used to, right?
[16:20] <seb128> nessita, oh right, it doesn't do that anymore
[16:20] <nessita> awesome
[16:20] <seb128> nessita, yeah, that got fixed a few days ago
[16:20] <nessita> seb128: yeah, since u1client release 1.5.36
[16:20] <nessita> 1.5.3*
[16:21] <seb128> nessita, I though you were asking that for the crash issue on the a2 iso
[16:21] <seb128> so I was a bit confused
[16:21] <nessita> sorry for the confusion :_)
[16:21] <seb128> nessita, thanks for checking ;-)
[16:21] <nessita> :-)*
[16:21] <seb128> desrt, do you have an upstream bug reference for this crash?
[16:22] <seb128> desrt, that's d-conf issue right?
[16:22] <desrt> it might have been report-via-irc :)
[16:22] <desrt> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=640611
[16:22] <ubot2> Gnome bug 640611 in general "Crash in dconf_engine_setup_user" [Normal,New]
[16:23] <desrt> it's this same bug, i think
[16:23] <seb128> desrt, ok thanks
[16:23] <desrt> i can fix it with addition of a mutex lock around some code
[16:23] <desrt> which is what i want to try to avoid
[16:23] <desrt> but i guess i should just do it for now
[16:23] <desrt> better to have it working first and "better" later
[16:24] <seb128> yeah, not sure what impact it has but crashes are always better fixed ;-)
[16:25] <desrt> just means that we have to grab a mutex every time we try to read a key
[16:25] <desrt> pretty annoying, actually
[16:31] <seb128> didrocks, bug #711964
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711964 in unity "migrate_favorites.py crashed with OSError in get_log_file(): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/ubuntu/.local/share/unity'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711964
[16:31] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the bug report :)
[16:33] <seb128> didrocks, yw ;-)
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> is there a meeting going on?
[16:34] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no, the meeting was yesterday
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, got it all ready I just need a few packages to make it into natty as they're deps
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> libnotify 0.7
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> libfolks 0.3.4
[16:34] <kenvandine> ok
[16:34] <kenvandine> did my message dialog patch merge cleanly ?
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, yup :)
[16:35] <glatzor> evening mvo
[16:35] <kenvandine> great
[16:35] <seb128> bcurtiswx, libnotify 0.7 is in natty
[16:35] <glatzor> what is the irc nick of gary?
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> hmm, my rmadison didn't see it
[16:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i'll have another update to that patch soon
[16:35] <kenvandine> based on feedback from mpt
[16:36] <mvo> hey glatzor
[16:36] <tremolux> glatzor: hey!  this is Gary
[16:37] <tremolux> hiya mvo  \o
[16:37] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, can you push your branch somewhere?
[16:37] <glatzor> ahh hey tremolux
[16:37] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, sure, one sec
[16:37] <kenvandine> i will base my changes on that
[16:37] <tremolux> glatzor: hello  :)
[16:37] <glatzor> mvo, tremolux: I looked at the issue about the late progress report in software-center
[16:37] <mvo> hey tremolux
[16:38] <seb128> glatzor, tremolux?
[16:38] <tremolux> glatzor: ah great, thanks
[16:38] <seb128> sorry, refresh issues in xchat, I was 15 lines behind
[16:38] <tremolux> heya seb128!
[16:39] <tremolux> hehe
[16:39] <bcurtiswx> seb128, rmadison and my pbuilder-dist only show 0.5 for libnotify-dev
[16:39] <seb128> hey tremolux
[16:39] <glatzor> there seems to be an issue in software-center. even if the ActiveTransactions signal and the progress signal get emitted quite early the information gets shown in software-center more than a second after the signal was emitted
[16:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, both libnotify are in the archive with different names
[16:40] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that's the old one
[16:40]  * bcurtiswx will have to change that then
[16:40] <glatzor> tremolux, Running dbus-monitor --system makes this evident
[16:40] <tremolux> glatzor: hmm, in my testing it was pretty much immediate after closing the auth dialog
[16:41] <glatzor> hm. I only have got a virtual ubuntu here :) so perhaps this also introduces some delay.
[16:41] <tremolux> glatzor, mvo: I did make a change in software-center to make sure it is ready for the earlier signal
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> seb128, whats the quickest way to search if a package name has changed?
[16:41] <tremolux> glatzor: do you have up-do-data software-center?
[16:41] <seb128> bcurtiswx, well, apt-cache search <name> and see the results?
[16:41] <seb128> bcurtiswx, or packages.ubuntu.com and search for the .pc you need
[16:41] <tremolux> glatzor: (in natty)>
[16:44] <desrt> does anyone know why mark hasn't been on IRC lately?
[16:46] <seb128> desrt, likely travelling but I don't know
[16:48] <bcurtiswx> seb128, is there a reason i386 of libtelepathy-glib is a lower version than amd64 ? is it only temp?
[16:48] <seb128> bcurtiswx, because the i386 build failed in a test?
[16:48] <seb128> bcurtiswx, the build log are public on launchpad...
[16:49] <tremolux> glatzor: the software-center fix went in at version 3.1.10
[16:49] <glatzor> tremolux, could you please try aptdaemon trunk
[16:50] <glatzor> tremolux, it should contain a modified version of your suggestion (rev 573)
[16:50] <tremolux> glatzor: ok, cool!  I will now
[16:52] <bcurtiswx> seb128, yup failed a test, http://paste.ubuntu.com/561498/
[16:52] <bcurtiswx> should I ask the #telepathy people about that?
[16:55] <glatzor> tremolux, mvo, sorry I have to leave! see you
[16:55] <tremolux> glatzor: no problem, I will send you email after testing, thanks very much!
[16:56] <mvo> see you glatzor
[16:58] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/561501/ needs to be fixed and libfolks 0.3.4 need to land in natty before https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/emapthy-2.33.1 will build
[17:21] <alecu> nessita, seb128: regarding bug #708018, it seems that when autologing is enabled (like on the livecd), there's no "login" and no "default" keyrings. The only keyring available is the "session" keyring, that is erased when the session is over. So in that case what do you think: should we create a new "default" keyring and store u1 tokens there, or should we use the "session" keyring?
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 708018 in ubuntu-sso-client "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with IndexError in prompt_handle(): list index out of range" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708018
[17:22] <nessita> alecu: I think we should use the session keyring
[17:22] <nessita> what worries me is why ussoc is being asked for credentials when running the livecd
[17:23] <seb128> what do you store in the keyring?
[17:23] <seb128> nessita, well, because I asked it to?
[17:23] <nessita> seb128: a token from sso
[17:23] <seb128> nessita, I ran the "ubuntuone" entry from the message menu
[17:23] <nessita> ah!
[17:23] <seb128> nessita, I'm doing natty testing, i.e trying to check that things run and work
[17:24] <seb128> nessita, it has an icon in the unity launcher as well
[17:24] <seb128> users will click on it
[17:24] <nessita> right
[17:24] <didrocks> (and that will impact oneconf as well)
[17:24] <alecu> nessita, seb128, now I believe we should be creating a keyring named "Default". Empathy does that.
[17:25] <nessita> alecu: but will that keyring exist after installation? or after reboot?
[17:26] <seb128> alecu, nessita: well after installation doesn't matter
[17:26] <alecu> nessita, not after installation, but yes after a reboot if you let the live cd store it's settings (like on a hd partition or a live usb drive)
[17:26] <seb128> if you try on the live system it's just during the live session
[17:26] <seb128> it's fine to have users to configure their installed account
[17:26] <seb128> we don't copy other credential overs from the livecd to the installed system either
[17:27] <nessita> alecu, seb128: in that case I see no point on creating a new Default keyring
[17:27] <alecu> nessita, seb128: this will also be happening after installation, to users that have "autologin" on
[17:27] <seb128> nessita, well, is the same bug going to happen on autologin on install systems?
[17:27] <alecu> seb128, exactly.
[17:27] <seb128> alecu, ok, right, so in this case yes use "Default"
[17:28] <alecu> seb128, nessita: I'll do it like that. thanks!
[17:28] <nessita> alecu: are you sure thye Default keyring will not be present on a default install with autolin?
[17:28] <nessita> autologin*
[17:29] <alecu> nessita, I just checked by creating a new account on an up to date natty
[17:29] <nessita> alecu: ok, then +1 to creating Default if it doesn't exist. One last question:
[17:30] <alecu> nessita, and the only keyring present is the Session keyring (that's available thru dbus, but does not show up on seahorse, btw)
[17:30] <nessita> alecu: does the dbus api for the keyring allow to query for the name of the default keyring? I would like to support kde as well
[17:30] <nessita> (if there is no extra work)
[17:31] <alecu> nessita, yes, there's an alias for the default keyring. But sometimes it's not set, so we have to pick one of the available keyrings.
[17:31] <alecu> nessita, now I'll make it ignore the session keyring as well.
[17:31] <nessita> alecu: ok
[17:31] <alecu> ok, I'll get some lunch and I'll be back to work on this.
[17:34] <seb128> alecu-lunch, enjoy lunch
[17:34] <nessita> alecu-lunch: thanks!
[17:35] <seb128> bryceh, hey
[17:35] <seb128> bryceh, do you have something in your arsenal to list all bugs milestoned for a natty milestone on a known set of sources?
[17:42] <bryceh> seb128, yep, one sec
[17:43] <bryceh> seb128, here's what i got - http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/desktop-bugs/milestone-bugs.html
[17:44] <bryceh> is that sort of what you're thinking?  It's pretty easy to tweak if it's close
[17:47] <seb128> bryceh, ok, so the sub directories in http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/
[17:48] <seb128> so are each a set of packages you run your standard queries on?
[17:48] <bryceh> seb128, yep
[17:48] <seb128> bryceh, if you could add dx-foundation and dx-shell ones that would be great!
[17:48] <bryceh> seb128, basically yes.  I do a lookup for the packages that the given team is subscribed to
[17:48] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[17:48] <bryceh> it would be trivial to insert a canned predefined static list of packages
[17:49] <bryceh> seb128, sure thing
[17:49] <seb128> bryceh, can you run on for ~indicator-applet-developers
[17:49] <kenvandine> that will be scary
[17:49] <seb128> bryceh, and one for ~unity-team
[17:49] <seb128> bryceh, I think we don't need static sets
[17:50] <seb128> or let's try with those to start if easy
[17:50] <bryceh> ok, so two teams 'unity-team' and 'indicator-applet-developers'?  any others?
[17:50] <seb128> kenvandine, well but useful, I want to know which bugs are milestoned for this cycle
[17:50] <seb128> bryceh, just those
[17:50] <seb128> bryceh, thanks!
[17:50] <kenvandine> seb128, indeed
[17:50] <kenvandine> this is very useful
[17:51] <bryceh> alrighty, added.  The reports should start showing up in a couple hours; some reports may take up to a day since the lp queries are long running ones
[17:51] <seb128> bryceh, thanks!
[17:52] <bryceh> seb128, sure! :-)
[17:55] <pitti> hah! gtimelog with indicator and pygi; one less reason to complain about not having a systray for me :)
[17:56] <seb128> pitti, work of yours?
[17:56] <pitti> seb128: the gi port, not the indicator
[17:56] <pitti> it got merged upstream
[17:56] <seb128> oh, nice
[17:58] <bryceh> pitti, I always think about esophagus's and soldiers when I see 'gi' ;-)
[18:24] <pitti> so now both compiz and firefox officially hate me
[18:27] <mdeslaur> pitti: they don't discriminate...they hate everyone :)
[18:28] <pitti> heh
[18:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i think i've got a fix for that indicator-appmenu crasher
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> but the evo menus are still messed up
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> ie, if you go from Mail -> Contacts and then back Contacts -> Mail, the menus aren't reconstructed properly
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> but i've just started debugging that and it looks like it's on the evolution / appmenu-gtk side
[18:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, one thing at the time, submit your crasher fix for review to ted to start
[18:32] <seb128> but feel free to investigate the second issue if you want
[18:32] <seb128> or maybe wait a bit for ted fixes and mterry's one to land
[18:32] <seb128> you could finish working on similar issues at the end otherwise
[18:34] <jderose> Does anyone know of a PPA with a good backport of gir1.2-webkit-1.0 to Maverick?
[18:35] <bryceh> huh looks interesting - http://www.junauza.com/2011/01/create-your-own-ubuntu-packages-with.html
[18:36] <seb128> jderose, not like going to find that, getting to gir1.2 is an update of most of the GNOME stack
[18:37] <jderose> seb128: hmm, drat... so trying to backport this is going to drag in a-bunch-o-bunch of dependencies?
[18:37] <seb128> jderose, yes, likely all the gir webkit depends on and the gir glib stack
[18:38] <jderose> seb128: double drat! well, thanks for the info!
[18:39] <seb128> you're welcome
[19:14]  * didrocks waves goodnight
[19:35] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/folks/folks-0.3.4 there's a buildable folks for natty, which I need for empathy 2.33.1
[19:38] <bcurtiswx> merge request https://code.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/folks/folks-0.3.4/+merge/48372 if you wouldn't mind taking care of that kenvandine when it's allowed and you have time
[19:40] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, great, thx!
[20:07] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, soname?
[20:07] <kenvandine> libfolks-telepathy19 -> libfolks-telepathy20
[20:07] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, how is that done
[20:08] <kenvandine> rename the libfolks-telepathy19 package libfolks-telepathy20
[20:08] <kenvandine> update the .install file
[20:08] <kenvandine> and the symbolks file
[20:08] <kenvandine> it doesn't conflict or anything
[20:08] <kenvandine> so that should be it
[20:09] <kenvandine> so in the control, libfolks-telepathy19.install, libfolks-telepathy19.symbols files
[20:09] <kenvandine> actually the same thing for libfolks19 > libfolks20
[20:14] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, and in the future how would I know to do this?
[20:15] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx -> see PM
[20:15] <kenvandine> i just explained it all there :)
[20:16]  * bcurtiswx is blind
[20:16] <kenvandine> :-D
[20:42] <rickspencer3> whoa, in terms of the "hide hibernate question": http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/02/02/is-gnome-3-going-to-melt-your-laptop/
[20:46] <rickspencer3> I guess they are saying that you can choose to suspend when you close the lid, or you can suspend when you close the lid, no keeping it on or hibernating
[22:03] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, did you ever make any progress on pithos and the sound menu?
[22:03] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, that would be so awesome :)
[22:03] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I made some progress, yes
[22:04] <rickspencer3> well, I'm working on a Python sound-menu API, actually
[22:04] <rickspencer3> then I could use that for pithos
[22:04] <kenvandine> if you push your branch i might hack on it too when i have some time, i really want that :)
[22:04] <rickspencer3> but I haven't had a lot of time to work on it
[22:04] <kenvandine> excellent
[22:04] <rickspencer3> I can push what I have so far, it's stub code
[22:04] <kenvandine> maybe this weekend i can do a late night hacking on it
[22:06] <seb128> kenvandine, what is pithos doing?
[22:06] <kenvandine> i really want that... i almost exclusively use pithos now while i am working
[22:06] <kenvandine> it is a pandora client
[22:06] <kenvandine> i think pandora is a US only thing though
[22:06] <seb128> oh, ok
[22:06]  * kenvandine loves it
[22:06] <seb128> but why do you need a sound-menu api?
[22:07] <seb128> isn't the natty indicator using mpris only?
[22:07] <kenvandine> it is...
[22:07] <kenvandine> i think rickspencer3 is working on a python library for mpris2
[22:07] <seb128> so you basically want a mpris interface?
[22:07] <seb128> oh ok
[22:07] <kenvandine> yes
[22:07] <kenvandine> it is using appindicator now
[22:07] <seb128> k, I was just checking that nobody was wasting time on the old libindicate registration thing
[22:07] <kenvandine> which is fine... but would be nicer in the sound menu
[22:07] <kenvandine> :)
[22:07] <seb128> since that has been deprecated
[22:08] <kenvandine> seb128, oh and i talked to ted
[22:08] <bcurtiswx> pithos in the sound menu would be awesome
[22:08] <bcurtiswx> i use that a ton
[22:08] <kenvandine> he is working on that
[22:08] <kenvandine> and it doesn't sound like mterry's bug is the same
[22:08] <seb128> kenvandine, "on that"?
[22:08] <seb128> the "set up ..." items issue?
[22:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[22:08] <seb128> ok
[22:08] <kenvandine> well it is the same issue as the dupe items
[22:08] <kenvandine> it's a race condition
[22:08] <seb128> so it's different from g-s-d not doing anything useful?
[22:09] <kenvandine> i did a bunch of tests in a guest session, and it does create the seen-db sometimes
[22:09] <kenvandine> yeah, that is something else
[22:09] <kenvandine> he didn't know about that
[22:09] <seb128> ok
[22:09] <kenvandine> this is a bug in libindicate
[22:09] <seb128> not running out of bugs yet...
[22:09] <kenvandine> nope :)
[22:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson was tracking some libdbusmenu issues as well
[22:10] <seb128> he fixed a crasher at least
[22:10] <broder> +1 for pithos in sound menu :)
[22:13] <rickspencer3> broder, kenvandine, seb128 what I've done so far is to stub out dummy player in Python, called Foo
[22:14] <rickspencer3> it shows up in the sound menu, and play and pause "work"
[22:14] <kenvandine> woot
[22:14] <kenvandine> so exposing mpris2 over dbus right?
[22:14] <rickspencer3> I don't have the current song working yet
[22:14] <rickspencer3> right
[22:14] <rickspencer3> it's so much trial and error, though
[22:14] <kenvandine> yeah... not much docs right?
[22:15] <rickspencer3> the idea would be that you would then derive from this class I am creating, and override a few methods and stuff
[22:15] <rickspencer3> so then no one else would have to write the DBUS code (or even now it's dbus)
[22:15] <rickspencer3> I'll just implement a subset needed for sound menu, so it's a sound menu API, not an MPRIS2 implement, really
[22:15] <fta> is mpris only meant to control local players?
[22:17] <rickspencer3> mpris is just an interface, it's abstract, so theoretically you could hook in any kind of player
[22:18] <fta> a while ago, i wrote a python stack to control my Squeezebox radios, and i want to integrate it into the sound indicator
[22:29] <geser> smspillaz: re bug 711378: as I've a very similar problem (my gnome-panel isn't visible either), I've attached my output for "xwininfo -root -tree". Do you want some other information before I send a SIGHUP to my gnome-panel to let it reappear?
[22:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711378 in compiz "after compiz crashed, gnome-panel isn't mapped again" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711378
[22:31] <bbordwell> Is there anyone from the Ubuntu-MIR team here?
[23:11] <broder> is there a decent way to tell whether a desktop is comparatively idle? (i.e. the user isn't interacting with it). i want to write a small utility to basically approximate hotplug detection for nvidia-current by using the NV-CONTROL extension, but i want to minimize its impact on battery life, hd spindown, etc
[23:14] <RAOF> broder: The XSync IDLETIME counter is a pretty good proxy for desktop activity.
[23:15] <broder> oh yeah, that sounds perfect
[23:15] <RAOF> That measures ms since last input event.
[23:16] <RAOF> Add a positive transition trigger to turn off your hotplug and a negative transition trigger to turn it back on, and you're golden.
[23:17] <bryceh> morning RAOF
[23:17] <RAOF> bryceh: Good morning.