[00:00] bryceh, RAOF: should i be doing any more advocacy for http://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/3598/ than i already have? [00:01] broder: Yes. The next step is to add Adam's reviewed-by to your commit, and CC (or even just send to) keithp. [00:02] RAOF: aha, ok thanks [00:44] bryceh, chrisccoulson the new old glew seems to have fixed up my desktop [00:44] though I haave 2 nm-indicators now [00:47] i sometimes get the 2 nm-indicators [00:48] killall indicator-application-service normally fixes that ;) [00:48] b'ah, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e1a695a10138 is going to break the firefox menu :( [00:48] well, not specifically that, but, that in combination with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626825 [00:49] Mozilla bug 626825 in Menus "Hide redundant menu commands unless the user invokes the menu using the keyboard (make use of the openedWithKey attribute)" [Normal,Assigned] [00:50] rickspencer3, excellent [00:50] rickspencer3, so no further trouble getting X installed? [00:51] bryceh, oh, it was pita, but RAOF helped me [00:51] I needed some dpkg incantations [00:51] killed a chicken and all that [00:52] ok cool [00:52] I'm a bit concerned about how you got apt into that situation, but my local upgrades have all gone fine, even when I've manually installed some of the pieces. [00:53] rickspencer3, yeah I've been checking around all the reports of people with troubles and seems nearly all were just the expected "can't install xserver until drivers rebuild" we expected, with a few (mostly devs) who had xorg-edgers [00:53] I am betting that I dist-upgraded in some magic 5 minute window [00:54] RAOF, I wonder if there's a way we could configure things to give more useful errors when it's just that xserver is blocked by driver rebuilds. [00:55] bryceh: You mean, have apt give better errors? [00:55] RAOF, yeah either that, or when the error is caught by apport, have apport quell them from needing to file bugs [00:55] Oooh, yeah. Apport's an option, isn't it. [00:56] maybe we can put it on the list to look at next time we do an abi bump [01:02] RAOF, bryceh: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bugpatterns/ might be useful [01:03] which is... lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns [01:05] broder, yeah we should investigate that [01:05] what I've suspected though is by the time we know what the bug report's going to look like we already have a ton of them and the issue has passed :-) [01:06] but yeah in this case I think we know enough about the way the bug title will be formatted to do that [01:06] I'll todo myself to investigate [01:07] I suspect that *some* of the problem will be ameliorated with the dependency rework. [01:07] There'll then be a unidirectional driver->xorg-{video,input}-abi dependency, which should be easier for apt. [01:09] maybe the apt-error could say "try -f, if that doesn't work /msg RAOF"? [01:09] :P [01:09] if nothing else, that would be motivations for ensuring these issues don't occur too much [01:10] :) === skaet is now known as skaet_afk [07:41] good morning [07:44] good morning didrocks [07:44] hey kenvandine [07:45] should be late for you :) [07:45] still morning :) [07:45] hehe :) [07:45] kenvandine: did you follow the discussion on the driver bug? [07:45] the one crashing unity? [07:45] it was glew [07:46] reverted the sync from debian and all is good now [07:46] oh ok, seeing the upload [07:46] ok :) [07:46] thanks for the info kenvandine! [07:46] bryceh will investigate post a2 [07:46] np [07:47] glad that is behind us [07:47] this bug where i can't click on the launcher is far worse than ever for me though [07:47] i have noticed it a few times in the past... but it keeps happening today [07:48] not just the launcher, a little bit ago i couldn't click in firefox either [07:48] that's weird that it only happens on the launcher for you [07:48] ah [07:48] so you have the invisible window I told yesterday [07:48] and i haven't run libreoffice [07:48] look at the meeting page, there is a link about it :) [07:48] yeah [07:50] seems really weird that it just got significantly worse for me [07:51] oh well, bugs happen :) [07:53] yeah :) [08:08] I have this line in my .bashrc: export DEBFULLNAME=Ben Bordwell [08:08] but if i run dch -i it says: -- Ben Wed, 02 Feb 2011 02:06:34 -0600 [08:08] Any ideas why it cuts out my last name? [08:09] Good morning [08:10] pitti, good morning [08:10] hey pitti [08:10] * pitti waves to bbordwell and didrocks [08:11] bbordwell: you should use "" -> export DEBFULLNAME="Ben Bordwell" [08:11] didrocks, thanks [08:12] yw [08:15] good morning pitti [08:17] hey kenvandine, burning the midnight oil? [08:17] yup [08:17] hacking on morphing windows for empathy :) [08:24] good morning everyone [08:25] good morning [08:46] Hi all! [08:46] hi Sweetshark! [08:46] hi [08:46] hi bbordwell [08:57] good morning Sweetshark [08:57] hey pitti [08:57] bonjour Monsieur! ca va? [08:57] hey Sweetshark, chrisccoulson [08:57] Sweetshark: parlez-vous Francais? [08:57] pitti, ca va très bien, et toi ? [08:57] hi seb128, how are you? [08:57] Je vais bien, merci! [08:58] salut seb128 [08:58] Juste un peu fatigué [08:58] hey Sweetshark and chrisccoulson [08:58] pitti: non [08:59] chrisccoulson, I'm well thanks [08:59] is it expected that clicking on the ubuntu icon still brings up an empty box? [08:59] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:59] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, you? [08:59] Sweetshark: ich auch nicht :) just beware of the French mafia here [08:59] pitti, known issue [08:59] yeah, good thanks [08:59] ok [08:59] hey pitti! [09:00] pitti: yeah, only the places should bring you something (slow as there is no optimization yet) [09:00] pitti: but there are some bugs on places showing themselves empty (you have to empty the search bar again, then…) [09:00] files & folders kinda works (modulo icon corruption) [09:00] or showing wrong icosn [09:01] app menu doesn't [09:01] or not having working scrollbars [09:01] right [09:01] it's a first draft landing [09:01] pitti: its been ages since learning it and while I can still get an idea when watching french tv, I need some serious training before talking again ... [09:01] not really something you can use [09:02] pitti: but was good enough to keep me from starving at the last FOSDEM ... [09:02] lol [09:03] ugh .. or causing compiz to freeze and then crash.. [09:03] Sweetshark: I never learned French at all, just Russian [09:03] sometimes i think that i should be learning french ;) [09:03] see!!! [09:03] lol [09:03] we just need to get pitti started now [09:03] Yeah :) [09:04] then we can switch meetings etc [09:04] +1 [09:04] voted :) [09:04] RAOF, sorry I was just thinking to the civilized world [09:04] A bas la révolution! 11!! [09:04] *cough* [09:04] RAOF, I forgot you and the others living during the night ;-) [09:04] Or we could get you and didrocks to learn german. I know a little german :) [09:04] RAOF: I like that much better [09:04] I've learnt german for 10 years [09:05] something like that as well for me… [09:05] You crazy Europeans and your learning of each others languages. [09:05] but well… you don't want to hear me trying to speak it :) [09:05] What will the world come to?! [09:05] * Sweetshark spend three weeks in Paris for three times (students exchange). [09:06] nice! [09:06] It's all a plot to make the English-speaking world feel inadequate while you polyglots gloat in seven different languages :) [09:06] I spent my honeymoon there [09:10] RAOF: we can count computer languages too, if you feel more comfortable then -- most of them are english dialects anyway ;) [09:12] brb === Sweetshark is now known as b_michaelsen [09:21] /win 1 === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [09:31] didrocks, should I report a bug about [09:31] "unity-files-daemon: aucun processus trouvé [09:31] unity-applications-daemon: aucun processus trouvé [09:31] " [09:31] that's displayed in .xsession-errors on session start [09:31] seb128: oh really? and are they launched? [09:32] didrocks, yes, they are [09:32] it might just be trying with the wrong path first [09:32] oh I know :) [09:32] you are running trunk? [09:32] at least, for the unity wrapper :) [09:32] then getting autoactivated over dbus or something [09:32] didrocks, no, it's pure natty [09:32] ok, not that then [09:32] seb128: yes, please file a bug [09:33] do you get that in .xsession-errors as well? [09:33] didrocks, ok [09:33] seb128: let me check in any case [09:33] seb128: no, I don't have it [09:33] k [09:33] seb128: but I see it tries to load the .place file twice [09:34] do you have a leftover of a local install? [09:34] didrocks, btw chrisccoulson get the libreoffice issue [09:34] yeah, I saw that, at least, we have two people now [09:34] for me, it's not just with libreoffice though [09:34] didrocks, "local install" is not something I do ;-) [09:34] i'm getting dead rectangles randomly in the middle of the screen [09:34] it's pretty difficult to use my laptop atm ;) [09:34] seb128: I know, in any case, had to asked… :-) [09:34] didrocks, or rather my local install are locally built deb with version lower than the archive [09:35] so they don't stay [09:35] chrisccoulson: this is the invisible windows [09:35] nor leave craps ;-) [09:35] chrisccoulson: look at the desktop meeting report :p [09:35] seb128: yeah, that's the best way to have a clean install [09:35] seb128: in any case, I'll implement unity --distro so that it removes all known files :) [09:36] ;-) [09:36] so, it tries to load places twice here [09:36] interesting :) [09:36] didrocks, yeah, i wasn't sure if it was the same issue or not. xprop doesn't show me any information for the invisible window on the screen [09:36] do you see that too? [09:37] chrisccoulson: yeah, I got that sometimes, but I would say, let's wait for the invisible window to be fixed first [09:37] that should be related to your second issue [09:38] I'm more puzzled about the LibreO one… [09:38] tried on two machines, I don't get it :/ [09:49] didrocks: which issue is that? [09:49] Sweetshark, not a libreoffice one don't worry [09:49] Sweetshark: some people have unity frozen on the viewport where they open LibreOffice. Shouldn't be a libreoffice issue though :) [09:49] just another bug triggered by libreO [09:49] Sweetshark, it's just that unity tends to lock there on the workspace where libreoffice is ran [09:50] not sure why it does it specifically with it and not other applications though [09:51] other applications mostly use gtk/qt, LO/OOo uses its own special VCL ... [09:52] whatever toolkit is used should not matter for the wm though [09:52] well in any case it seems a compiz or unity issue [09:53] good (LO has enough issues all by itself ;) ) [10:07] seb128, hi, i looked into packaging gtk+3.0 2.99.3 [10:08] seb128, perhaps you want to have a look http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/gtk+3.0/ [10:09] ricotz, hey, do you use a vcs? would be easier to have a merge request against the ubuntu-desktop vcs for it [10:10] seb128, sorry, no, or is this a packaging only branch? [10:10] ricotz, the ubuntu-desktop ones are debian dir only [10:11] ok [10:11] ricotz, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gtk/ubuntugtk3 [10:20] seb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/gtk/ubuntugtk3/+merge/48287 [10:20] ricotz, thanks === smspillaz is now known as smspillaz|dinner [10:38] chrisccoulson, did you have a chance to work on that appmenu crash bug yet? [10:39] is someone using several keyboard layout there on natty? [10:39] do you get working menus in the indicator? [10:39] like to switch layouts or display the current one or open the configuration dialog? [10:41] seb128 - yeah, i took a quick look at it last night. i couldn't reproduce it actually, but i took a look at what happens when menus are removed.... [10:41] ...and i think i've identified a few memory errors there [10:41] chrisccoulson, how did you try to get it? [10:41] seb128 - i tried the steps in the bug report [10:42] like double clicking on a contact name in evo crashes the indicator there [10:42] ah, ok. i'll try it again [10:42] i.e when you open the standalone dialog with the contact details [10:42] in any case, i think i can see a few problems there that are likely to make it crash [10:42] ok [10:43] the indicator stack is quite buggy still :-( [10:45] yeah, i might go over it with a fine toothed comb (valgrind) at some point ;) [10:45] lol [10:45] hum [10:45] so the g-s-d indicator issue [10:46] error sender=:1.353 -> dest=:1.207 error_name=org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod reply_serial=402 [10:46] string "L'interface « com.canonical.dbusmenu » n'existe pas pour l'objet à l'emplacement /org/ayatana/NotificationItem/gst_keyboard_xkb/Menu" [10:46] oh, yeah, g-s-d [10:46] that doesn't seem right [10:46] my menu doesn't work either ;) [10:46] in english "interface ... doesnt exist for the object at the location" [10:46] (i accidentally ended up with multiple layouts after the console-setup bug) [10:52] " string "type='error'" [10:52] method call sender=:1.207 -> dest=:1.353 serial=412 path=/org/ayatana/NotificationItem/gst_keyboard_xkb/Menu; interface=com.canonical.dbusmenu; member=AboutToShow [10:52] int32 0 [10:52] bah, that's not right === smspillaz|dinner is now known as smspillaz [12:06] mpt: hey, could you please draw a wireframe for the grid-view? where the buttons (more info, install, ratings) go to, what the summary should look like (and if it should be displayed at all)? [12:08] mvo, that's not for you and not targeted for Natty, it's for anyone else who has some spare time ;-) [12:08] But you're right it is a bit under-specified right now [12:08] mpt: thanks, still would be nice to get some basic drawings to get a idea what it should look like :) [12:08] yes [12:11] seb128, didrocks: Is there any known workaround the "invisible LO window" issue without killing the session? [12:12] (repost as didrocks just rejoined) seb128, didrocks: Is there any known workaround the "invisible LO window" issue without killing the session? [12:12] Sweetshark: you can try to restart unity [12:12] (with the unity command line) [12:12] if it doesn't work, metacity --replace and then unity [12:13] grrrr, sometimes I hate apport to prevent me reporting a bug :) [12:13] is that "unity --reset"? [12:14] Sweetshark: no, just "unity" [12:14] didrocks: k [12:20] didrocks: thanks, that worked mostly. Just one fullscreen window was struck beneath the menubar and wasnt moveable (as the window title bar was hidden) ... [12:21] * Sweetshark needs to learn compiz "move window" keybindings ... [12:21] Sweetshark: yeah, that happens when restarting. We should maybe redecorate all existings window [12:21] Sweetshark: alt + click? [12:21] Sweetshark, so you get this bug as well? [12:22] Sweetshark, sorry I was away at lunch when you asked [12:22] Sweetshark, you can alt-click_somewhere_in_the_dialog-dnd [12:22] isn't what I said? :/ [12:22] but it works only for unfocussed dialogs there for some reason [12:23] so I usually click some other applications and then do it on the dialog I want to dnd [12:23] seb128: yep, I get the bug as well (with my first developer build of the LO repo head on this neat new install) ... [12:23] otherwise it doesn't move but just select as if alt was not pressed [12:23] didrocks, well I was adding details about the focussed dialog not moving issue [12:24] didrocks, I get that in a consistent way there, no profile reset or anything changed it [12:24] seb128: btw? can you file a bug about the focussed dialog can't be move? I didn't see anyone else reporting it [12:24] ok [12:24] thanks [12:24] is anybody else there getting that? [12:25] i.e alt-click-dnd not working on focussed dialogs [12:27] works here on two different dialogs [12:27] it's weird, it works in xchat-gnome [12:27] but not in gedit for example [12:30] or in firefox [12:30] they just select text as if the click was a left click only [12:32] it did work for gnome-terminal -- it also selects text there. But I was able to open an empty tab and then just dnd the tab to a new window. [12:33] ok, so it doesn't really work as it should either [12:34] seb128 - i get that in gedit ;) [12:34] \o/ not only me again [12:34] gedit is working fine as well here :/ [12:34] heh :-) [12:34] I'm sure didrocks as a special fixed version [12:34] seems that seb128 and chrisccoulson like to share bugs :) [12:34] seb128: use the --unbogus option :) [12:35] didrocks - for me, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't [12:35] seb128: well, with all my nvidia issues and crash at start, I think I have my share with major inconvenience :) [12:35] it's working when the dialog is not focussed there [12:35] like if I click on the nautilus background and then do alt-click-dnd it works [12:36] speaking of bugs, the town siren is on for one hour and half now… I think they can't stop it :) [12:37] seb128: just tried again, even with text in gedit, it doesn't try to select it but it moves it [12:37] well it's not needed text [12:37] like I've pinned gedit there [12:37] didrocks: dont worry -- the invaders will leave the town soon on the other side ... [12:38] I go on an empty workspace [12:38] click on gedit [12:38] Sweetshark: hehe :) [12:38] start pressing tab on the keyboard, left click in the middle of the gedit text widget and dnd [12:38] seb128: still working there :/ [12:38] the cursor stays as an edit one, it doesn't change to an hand [12:39] I have the hand and it's moving [12:39] lucky you [12:39] well, can we trade that bug with crash on startup? :) [12:39] I've also the crash on startup and no nautilus or gnome-panel [12:39] I need to go to a vt, run unity, switch back [12:39] then nautilus --quit etc [12:40] well that one started yesterday [12:40] right [12:40] the dnd one is there for a bit [12:40] well I will not complain, at least once start it works [12:40] this is the stack for the crash: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62972294/Stacktrace.txt [12:40] i.e I don't get those invisible dialogs issue [12:41] the two really annoying bugs are the inivisible dialog and the crash at start [12:41] hum, maybe we should test without the places to check if it's still crashes (maybe some slowdown in compiz not enabling initializing everything) [12:41] * didrocks tries on the netbook [12:42] also, the session registration doesn't work as compiz isn't respawn [12:42] didrocks, try the dnd thing there as well while you are at it [12:42] I think I tried it, let me check… [12:43] same with nautilus [12:43] ok, so starting nautilus [12:43] it's the only app on the ws [12:43] alt + click and drag… [12:43] works [12:44] ok, so dunno, could be video card specific or something [12:44] but that seems weird [12:44] my netbook is intel [12:45] I will do a clean try, I just rsynced the daily iso [12:45] let me put it on an usb stick and try on the 10v [12:45] ok :) [12:47] bah, stupid compiz [12:47] I can open usb-creator, it doesn't get mapped on screen [12:48] the invisible window again :/ [12:48] at least, you know which one to kill this time :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:21] still the siren outside… [13:21] should maybe watch the news :) [13:22] seb128: http://www.leprogres.fr/fr/region/le-rhone/rhone/article/4556975/Des-sirenes-devenues-folles-apres-un-bug-informatique.html (and no, it's not finished!) [13:22] lol [13:22] and I'm in the 3rd arrondissement [13:23] at 200m of Lacassagne… [13:23] Clearly not running Ubuntu. [13:23] computer science bug, don't rely on it :) [13:28] ok, trying a compiz fix, brb [13:45] didrocks: Paris really has a public siren system? [13:45] Riddell: I'm not anymore in Paris but in Lyon. And yeah, every town has [13:46] but why? Incase the Belgians invade? [13:47] our's (all bigger towns in East Germany have this) is still a relict from the cold war [13:47] ahah, I'm not sure. Just know that it didn't work in world war 2, so now they make a 5 minutes test every first Wednesday of the month [13:47] didrocks: heh, here as well [13:48] so if anyone wants to send bombers, do it on Wednesday noon :) [13:48] just this time, it was a 2:30 hour test this time :) (just finished) [13:48] pitti: exactly :) [13:53] When I was a kid, I think we tested them once a week. Now it's once a year (first Wednesday of May at noon). [13:55] That's so rare the people always forget, so I used to send SMS's to people at 11:59 saying "Holy crap, ze Germans are coming!". :) [13:56] * bcurtiswx waves to room [14:00] hey soren [14:00] hey bcurtiswx [14:00] hey seb128 [14:02] mterry, hello [14:02] seb128, hello! [14:02] mterry, how are you? [14:03] seb128, good. Snowed in. :) [14:03] oh, nice ;- [14:03] ;-) [14:04] mterry, ok, so I'm triaging a bit indicator and appmenu bugs, I've some to dispatch [14:04] seb128, heh, OK [14:04] do you have time to take on some? and do you prefer to pick those you want or to get those assigned to you? [14:04] seb128, I'm fine with being assigned bugs. I'd enjoy getting appmenu up to snuff this cycle [14:04] mterry, there is no real hurry, it's mostly bug fixing to do before beta, earlier is better but it can wait as well [14:05] heh, i'm just testing a patch to fix this indicator-appmenu crash, and i managed to break it even more ;) [14:05] chrisccoulson, :) [14:05] * chrisccoulson goes back to drawing board [14:05] chrisccoulson, which one? I looked at that shotwell bug yesterday. Got some leads, but didn't fix it yet [14:05] mterry, ok, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application/+bug/711749 [14:05] Launchpad bug 711749 in indicator-application "Language indicator has USA even after removing it from keyboard settings" [High,Confirmed] [14:05] mterry, i'm looking at a crasher atm [14:05] is yours [14:06] mterry, the title is misleading, it'as rather "g-s-d indicator does nothing" [14:06] like the "show layout" or "run properties dialog" don't work either [14:06] seb128, k [14:08] mterry, the crash chrisccoulson is working on is bug #706941 [14:08] Launchpad bug 706941 in indicator-appmenu "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706941 [14:08] Hai everyone :) [14:08] the issue is basically that signal handlers aren't being disconnected and are running after things have been destroyed [14:14] During Alpha 2 testing, in the Classic Desktop, jibel is seeing a full menu ala 10.10 (Applications/Places/System) while I only see a Ubuntu icon that shows a the menu (including Places and System) when clicked. [14:14] how should it be? [14:22] Does anybody know what's up with the upstart update? It doesn't install === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:28] Hello? [14:37] MrChrisDruif: in maverick-updates? [14:37] Yes :) [14:37] MrChrisDruif: should be fixed now, eglibc went to maverick-updates as well [14:37] it's fixed already isn't it? [14:37] ah ;) [14:38] Yes, it is :D [14:45] hallyn: ok so in my case, I have an nvidia driver... after upgrade my screen was at 640x480 [14:46] re [14:46] RoAkSoAx: mine is intel [14:47] RoAkSoAx: up to about 33% from the left side of the screen was a different shade of purple and windows wouldn't show up there [14:47] didrocks, ok, I get the alt-dnd issue on a usb stick as well on this computer [14:47] didrocks, on the "restart" dialog for example [14:47] hallyn: in my case im not using nvidia drivers and that happened to me too [14:47] nessita, hey [14:47] hallyn: I couldn't even change my resolution with System>Preferences>Monitor [14:47] nessita, bug #708018 happens on a liveCD every time I try to log in [14:47] seb128: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/708018) [14:47] RoAkSoAx: all day yesterday i couldn't get unity to start up without doing 'unity --reset', after whch ssh-agent seemed unhappy, which made it a pain to do bzr push. that's why after this break i decided to hop into wmii for a bit [14:48]