[03:32] cjohnston: czajkowski: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/1/detail/ [03:42] geez, we finally get this out the door, and nobody's around to celebrate it with me? [03:42] :( [03:43] * nigelb pops champange [03:43] and hugs everyone [03:43] mhall119: hooray!! [03:43] yay! at least I can count on you nigelb [03:43] mhall119: congrats! [03:44] thanks [03:44] it was largely cjohnston and daker's work [03:44] but we finally got it deployed \o/ [03:44] I'm just happy to see it out, our first major UDS discussed feature [03:45] oh, I broke it [03:45] :( [03:45] you could at least let it go a few minutes before ya break it [03:45] sorry! [03:45] I was so excited [03:45] haha [03:45] yeah, clicking on "Add Team Meeting" gives me error of doom [03:46] it works from my loco team page though [03:46] pleia2: this is what happens when you're on more than one team :( [03:46] * pleia2 doesn't let pennsylvania go [03:47] log bug [03:47] yeah, known or should I file? [03:47] this is fixable. We'll stop you from doing that or we'd have to give you choices [03:47] (or we'll just kick out out of -us-pa :p) [03:47] lol [03:48] pleia2: I'm working on a fix now [03:48] mhall119: *cough*, all fix commited are now fix released right? [03:48] nigelb: let me fix this bug before I worry about that [03:48] lol, ok [03:48] oh no, its 9:20 [03:48] should get to work [03:48] hopefully, I'll get there before 10 [03:49] oh time zones [03:51] nigelb: good morning, btw [03:52] pleia2: fix is committed,waiting on deployment [03:52] \o/ [03:52] how's that for service ;) [03:52] I see akk's time zone fix was released recently too, hurrah [03:53] part of the same 0.3.0 I think [03:53] I also fixed you breaking things by leaving out times [03:53] mhall119: thoughts on time zones? UTC is lousy for us, if we *actually* put it in UTC time it ends up on the wrong day and everyone is confused [03:54] yeah, I saw that bug progress, good times :) [03:54] pleia2: can you try again how you broke it earlier? [03:54] ok [03:54] right now LD doesn't set a timezone on a team, mostly because lots of teams span multiple timezones [03:54] fixed \o/ [03:54] Events were easy, because a Venue could only ever be in one [03:55] yeah [03:55] we're still trying to work out a good way to implement that [03:56] * mhall119 owes bradm a drink [03:56] oh, and if we don't put it in UTC the pedantic among us (in a linux community? no way!) stir up a fuss [03:56] yeah [03:56] so, it's UTC for now until we can figure out a good solution that'll work for everybody [03:57] * pleia2 nods [03:57] but we're open to ideas if you've got 'em [03:58] can you just put a little time zone selection button next to the Time? [03:58] so, Date, Time, Time Zone [03:58] maybe [03:58] right now a lot of that is handled for us automagically by Django [03:59] okay folks, I'm off to bed [03:59] talk to you all tomorrow [03:59] night mhall119, great work! [08:35] good morning [08:41] dholbach: Good morning [09:16] the new LD is deployed [09:26] yay [09:26] :D [09:26] \o/ [09:33] good morning [09:35] stupid questions : how many new strings this new version of LD introduced to translate, and how many are deprecated compared to the last version ? [09:36] How do I add a meeting to our LD page? [09:38] HakanS: log in, go to your team page and click on the menu item ;) [09:44] YoBoY: Thanks. [09:56] This version contains the fix for Bug #642132? [09:56] At least lower left login name of the page shows my new ID properly. yay! [09:56] Launchpad bug 642132 in django-openid-auth "openid nickname changes aren't handled (affects: 6) (dups: 3) (heat: 11)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/642132 [10:16] dholbach: how do I link two bugs together [10:16] czajkowski, you mean make one a duplicate of each other? [10:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711649 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711750 [10:16] Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "My Name doesn't show in Meeting Chair list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [10:16] "mark as duplicate"? [10:16] it's not a dupilicate as such but are similar [10:16] and effect one another [10:18] got Irish team to check it out and they have a few bugs. [10:18] re meeting feature [10:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711756 [10:18] Launchpad bug 711756 in loco-directory "when creating a meeting, you are asked for meeting minutes link (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 [10:18] Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [10:59] YoBoY: no idea [11:14] * cjohnston throws stuff at czajkowski... way too much work this early in the morning! [11:15] mhall119: what was the bug you already pushed? [11:17] cjohnston: the bug where someone is on 2 teams click on add meeting and ld asploes [11:17] asplodes :p [11:17] why you shouldn't be a member of two teams that are across the country from each other! [11:17] i mean.. [11:17] ya [11:17] cjohnston: you know you love me deep down [11:18] uh huh [11:18] just for that... your gonna love your mail box! [11:19] * czajkowski hugs cjohnston [11:19] cjohnston: ask lyz why she's still hoding on to -us-pa :p [11:20] cjohnston: anyway, I think mike fixed it. [11:20] unfortunatly, she isnt the only one [11:20] i know of two [11:20] lol [11:20] itd be one thing if there was a central florida team, and a florida team [11:20] but when you have to FLY to an event [11:20] really? :-P [11:21] * nigelb waits for cjohnston to be smacked on the head [11:26] cjohnston: I'm a member of UK and ireland :) and oh Ma D [11:26] :D [11:27] again.. if you have to get on a plane or boat.... ...... [11:27] Looks like about 30 emails or so [11:27] ;-) [11:30] cjohnston: I am not picking one team over another I'm in UK and ireland so not dropping either :) [11:30] :-P [11:47] * czajkowski frowns at cjohnston [11:47] there was no need for that [13:06] czajkowski: re: bug 711754, some teams have multiple timezones [13:06] Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711754 [13:06] oh nevermind, I see cjohnston's already commented on it [13:07] anyway, as I told pleia2 last night, we're open to solutions that'll work for those teams [13:13] cjohnston: dholbach: I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/ReleaseProcess to match what they *actually* do when deploying LD [13:22] morning [14:01] mhall119, aha, thanks [14:23] mhall119: talk to ebel [14:23] :) [15:01] czajkowski: get him in here and I will ;) [15:05] hmmm, team webchat isn't showing [15:05] nigelb: can you take a look ^^ [15:06] oh nevermind [15:07] it was evidently just slow loading [15:09] mhall119: o/ [15:09] oh, wait. It fixed itself \o/ [15:10] I love the kind of bugs that fix themselves :D [15:10] yeah, those are the best [15:12] nigelb: but if you want to work on bug 706657, that would be great [15:12] Launchpad bug 706657 in loco-directory "Add link to join meeting channel on meeting detail page (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706657 [15:13] * nigelb updates LD branch to work on it [15:14] mhall119: wait, cjohnston claimed it :| [15:15] yeah like a week ago [15:15] oh :p [15:16] I should just submit a merge request :p [15:17] mhall119: did you decide what to do for the asploding bug of last night? [15:19] yeah, I fixed it [15:19] \o/ [15:20] mhall119: he's in #ubuntu-ie [15:20] but I don't speak Irish [15:23] he doesnt always either [15:24] lol [15:25] ebel: boo [15:25] mhall119: talk to ebel [15:25] boo [15:25] ack! [15:25] i can haz timezones! [15:25] some people want more than one [15:26] Indeed. [15:27] So is there not some way to accomodate teams with >1 timezone? [15:27] Falling back to UTC seems like a bad way. [15:27] there may be, but what that is I don't yet know [15:27] pleia2 suggested adding an additional drop-down for Timezone when setting up a meeting [15:27] Allow someone to enter the meeting start time using one timezone. Then look at all events for that team, see what timezones they use [15:28] that's an expensive lookup [15:29] and on the irc meeting page show the start time in those timezones (sorta like the "7, 8 central" TV time thing)? [15:29] we can let teams pick multiple timezones that apply to them, then provide a drop-down with just those [15:30] hmm, that may end up displaying a lot of times [15:30] especially for the French and Russian teams [15:30] Canadian too [15:30] has at least 4 I think [15:30] Er not that expensive. There are sub30,000 events. (sub 300 teams × sub 100 events per team per year × sub 10 years life expectancy) [15:31] hrm, how about I select a time zone for myself. and show me everything in that time zone? [15:31] nigelb: we're working on that [15:31] But that's going to cause so many changes and dst breakage that it scares me [15:31] no dst breakage, because we'd store timezone not offset [15:31] ah [15:32] *or* maintain a set of 'seen timezomes' for each team. When an event for a team is created, add that timezone to that event. then it's just a simple look up [15:32] DST! No! bold nigelb! There is no such thing as dst! :P [15:32] ebel: I'd rather let teams pick their timezones explicitly if we're going to go that route [15:33] ebel: I keep telling people there is no DST. mhall119 disagrees :p [15:33] nigelb: I wish it were true, but sadly it is not [15:33] (I know DST or summer time or whatever is what's commonly in popular parlance) [15:33] we should just setup a site saynotodst.com [15:33] +1 [15:33] and get everyone to plege support :p [15:33] However if you stop thinking of DST it becomes much easier to grok timezones when you think of them with different offsets [15:34] exactly [15:34] at that point we may as well all start thinking in UTC and stop thinking of 1200 as being "mid-day" [15:35] Swatch time! [15:35] aaaaaanyway. In our loco we only have one timezone. [15:36] right [15:36] as does UK, Spain,France Italy, Denmark etc [15:36] and if it were only your loco we'd be fine [15:36] mhall119: well to be fair the majority of locos are this way [15:36] :) [15:36] czajkowski: wonder is greenland part of 'denmark' :P Might have >1 timezone... [15:36] czajkowski: yes but, to be fair, the majority of our bugs come from those that aren't [15:37] * mhall119 looks at YoBoY [15:37] ? [15:37] heh [15:37] mhall119: right just trying to find a happy medium which doesnt frustate everyone [15:37] Why not let meeting organisers enter the time of a meeting in a timezone-ized time? Then each team needs to put in "our loco works on these timezones" [15:38] that tells you (a) how to interpret the data the meeting creator enters and (b) what to show on the meeting detail page. [15:38] ebel: I'm thinking that's the best route, yes [15:38] Given that many many ubuntu irc meetings are in UTC, showing an irc meeting for a loco in UTC could get confusing. [15:39] that doesn't make sense [15:39] if many many irc meetings are already in UTC, why would having irc meetings in UTC cause more confusion? [15:39] If they are not actually held in UTC. [15:40] e.g. irish loco are held at 8pm, regardless if ireland is on GMT or IST. [15:40] If the meeting page says 8pm UTC, then for half the year the meetings won't start at the advertised time. [15:42] ebel: okay, I understand now [15:43] my french point of view, when I organise an IRC meeting, I put the hour in my timezone and add an UTC hour to keep it clear for every participant who are not in the same timezone. I think we can let the chairman decide in witch timezone it's the best to communicate for the meeting, and always add the UTC in the same view for the others. [15:44] some people don't grok UTC. [15:45] in th wiki.ubuntu.com the UTC times are always linked to a website to have all the hours in the world, we can use the same thing [15:45] Some think UTC is the same as GMT, which is obviously the same as the time in London. Ireland is the same time as london, so 2000 UTC in July is assumed to be 8pm irish time [15:46] You're assuming people (a) will go to all that trouble and (b) won't get confused. [15:47] people are always confused when you present more than one information [15:47] ebel: YoBoY: czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754/comments/2 [15:47] Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] [15:48] mhall119: looks good [15:48] the problem with that solution is that teams with more than one timezone won't have them sorted [15:49] so you may use one 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the time, but the 10% timezone may always be sorted to be on top, making it the default selection [15:49] Some suggestions: Don't show UTC (or make it optional), and if there is only one timezone for a team don't mention timezones at all. [15:49] ebel: I think it should be mentioned if it's going to be used [15:50] Since in ireland we have 1 timezone. We never talk about things started at "8pm Dublin time", it's always "8pm" [15:50] except czajkowski likes to think in UTC [15:50] Since within ireland that is completly unambiguous [15:51] oooooooh..... cztab facts..... like chuck norris facts....... [15:51] mhall119: I have to in this channel, but outside of here, tis just odd [15:51] ebel: suppose you're going up for re-approval, the loco-council isn't on Dublin time [15:51] or you've got a guest speaking from another timezone [15:51] you're going to want to show what timezone it's using somewhere [15:51] my team need to show the UTC for the meetings, it's not just the country timezones, every french people (like in french talking) is invited in our team meetings [15:52] (a) never had any guests in ~ 36 irc meetings. (b) last approval we told everyone the irish time equiv. [15:52] 90% of our members didn't need to know the UTC of loco-council [15:53] ebel: wait, what? [15:53] ebel: I'm in EST. we use UTC because everyone uses UTC [15:53] YoBoY: s/french people/french speaker/ [15:53] yes [15:53] anyways, optional utc showing isn't a big one. [15:53] ebel: YoBoY: czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 see comment #3 [15:53] Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] [15:55] paultag: pipe down you [15:55] mhall119: comment #3 seems to just institutionalise one timezone. Why not just see if the .count() is 1? makes it dynamic. [15:55] ebel: because Florida has 2, US/Eastern covers 90% of the state, US/Central covers 10% [15:55] but US/Central would be listed first when sorted alphabetically [15:56] ah i see [15:56] *shrug* up to you then. you know more about multitimezoned-teams [15:56] but that way you can set Dublin time as your team's default, not chose any alternates, and it'll 'just work' for you [15:57] mhall119: i like the number one [15:57] we can also use the default timezone for physical team events that don't have a venue [15:59] cjohnston: when you can, I'd like your thoughts on the proposed solutions in https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/711754 [15:59] Launchpad bug 711754 in loco-directory "meeting start/end time uses UTC, not local time (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Invalid] [16:10] ho I don't if you want a bug for that, but I think the end date for a meeting should be remplaced by a duration [16:10] +know [16:11] having end times makes calculations and queries significantly easier on us [16:12] perhaps just for the display... [16:13] mhall119: calculate the end date from duration when meeting is created? [16:13] this is what the save() method is for :P [16:13] I just don't see a significant upside to doing it that way [16:14] over-writing .save() has it's own perils [16:14] easier for the user to enter, ergo more people will use LD [16:14] I know most of our meetings take 1½ hrs [16:14] ;) [16:14] Remove barriers to usage, less hoops to jump through etc. [16:15] is it significantly harder to enter a 4-digit time than a 3-digit duration? [16:15] 3 digits? [16:15] we even give you a nice JQuery-UI time picker [16:15] And yes the LD uses some weird time picker thing [16:15] ebel: 1:30 [16:16] I suppose you can do 1.5 hours [16:16] using decimals [16:16] but I still don't see it being that bad [16:16] Tis 25% longer to type [16:16] Events use end-datetime, and it doesn't seem to be preventing it's use [16:17] :P [16:17] 0.25 * practically nothing = still practically nothing [16:17] lol [16:20] on events it's normal to have an end date, some events have more than 1 day duration. But IRC meetings are always limited in time [16:22] I understand the use-case [16:22] but that was just an idea, not really a bug, i don't care entering an end date or not [16:22] but right now difference in usability just doesn't justify the technical requirements to implement it [16:24] yes [16:25] the "when" display on the meeting detail page only display the date once, so it's fine like that [16:36] czajkowski: just read "Being a locoteam", wish we had gotten the meetings feature deployer sooner so it could have gotten a mention, but a good article [16:36] thank you [16:37] hopefully being able to see past meetings + past events will help you when reviewing team activity === JanC_ is now known as JanC [17:16] mhall119: Tried logging out and back in. ( Bug #711649 ) [17:16] Launchpad bug 711649 in loco-directory "My Name doesn't show in Meeting Chair list (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711649 [17:17] andrew: thanks, still no profile though [17:17] there's a daily script to update profiles, that should pull in your info [17:18] when does that run? [17:18] but we need to do something to make it happen at login [17:18] andrew: I don't know exactly [17:18] kk, well, it most likely hasn't run in the past 13 hours [17:20] Shouldn't it take the info when I log in? Launchpad is sharing my name and loco already [17:20] I'll try again in 11 hours [17:21] andrew: I'm getting a sysadmin to kick it off now [17:22] hopefully it'll be there in the next hour [17:22] you are right, it should get profile info at login, but it currently doesn't [17:24] So, we keep the bug open and change it to saying it should add info at login instead of daily? [17:24] I can't copy an event, someone can confirm ? [17:25] andrew: yup, already did that [17:25] YoBoY: are you getting an error? [17:26] or just not getting the option? [17:27] LoCo Directory has encountered an Error! [17:28] okay, I'm getting it, can you file a bug please? [17:28] yes [17:28] thanks [17:30] bug 699692 << this is already reported no ? [17:30] Launchpad bug 699692 in loco-directory "Copying team event fails (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/699692 [17:31] YoBoY: different underlying cause [17:31] ok [17:33] bug 712011 [17:33] Launchpad bug 712011 in loco-directory "Can't copy an event (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712011 [17:33] thanks [17:34] you're welcome [17:43] evidently it's something that was fixed between 1.1.2 (which I use for testing) and 1.1.1 (which is used in production) [17:45] 1.1.1 of what? [17:47] django [17:47] andrew: good news, you have a profile now! [17:48] mhall119: ah [17:48] woo! I exist! [17:49] czajkowski: what was there no need for? [17:50] cjohnston: my guess is marking the meetings localtime bug as invalid [17:51] andrew: I'm leaving your bug open so we can fix the initial cause [18:02] YoBoY: can you test copying events again? [18:02] mhall119: working now [18:02] awesome [18:03] thanks :) [18:04] no probelm [18:05] ebel: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/664/detail/ [18:06] indeed [18:06] because I look forward to your feedback on using the meeting feature [18:06] especially using the agenda items [18:06] integrate it with mootbot and i'm sold [18:07] ebel: already talking to AlanBell about that [18:07] in fact some sort of irc bot interface to loco directory would be the business [18:07] I remember saying this to czajkowski when i first heard of LD [18:07] ebel: LD already has a read-only JSON interface, so we're half way there [18:08] That it would be possible to beat the existing multitude of systems [18:08] Lots of things (e.g. wiki) are easy peasy to get started. [18:08] just type in here, it's all free form, we haven't decided on what to do etc. [18:08] do be do] [18:08] however there's a lot of repediate work [18:08] so the LD could beat it [18:09] *could* :P [18:13] s/could/will/ [18:18] Yep :) [18:20] I just added 16 ubuntu events in France, next step, rule the world :D [18:20] I'm pretty sure there's a ???? step in between [18:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API#Team+Meetings updated the LD API docs to include meeting and agenda services [18:22] perhap's the "make some friends to help me rule the world" first ? === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [19:24] Jono just announced that UDS-P will be back in Orlando! [19:40] Awesome! [19:41] jledbetter: so, start planning now [19:42] mhall119, Why plan? I can just crash with y'all ;) [19:42] well yeah, but plan on being here [19:53] oh goodie, maybe I can go this time and attach a disney+family trip [19:53] +1 [19:54] (see how disney is first there?) [19:54] hehe [19:55] and family is in there? Is there more than you and him? [19:55] it's better [19:55] andrew: yeah, I have family in orlando and melbourne [19:56] Ah [19:56] So do I (well, right outside of orlando) [19:57] my aunt used to live in celebration, I think she moved to orlando proper though [20:24] Daviey: do you have time (I know you don't) to review the merge request to fix the sponsorship page for summit so that we can get that fix pushed out? [21:29] hola!hay alguien? [21:30] hey guys? [21:30] anyone? [21:30] hi Agus [21:31] hi [21:31] who are u? [21:31] mhall119 [21:31] :) [21:31] a normal ubuntu user ¿ [21:32] or a memer of the support team? [21:32] # member [21:32] I'm an Ubuntu user [21:32] but "normal" might be giving more credit than I'm due [21:34] ok [21:34] this is very true [21:35] I came here [21:35] czajkowski: hey now, be supportive [21:35] Agus: welcome [21:35] I am [21:35] :) [21:36] czajkowski: i can at least act normal when I need to [21:36] that's enough isn't it? [21:36] this is true [21:36] I can too [21:36] wok made me all permant today [21:36] cause in 15 days I will have to talk in my class about any free software,i choose ubuntu,in some way, we have to sell the porduct, so we can wear tshirts gift things give things,merchandising.... [21:36] czajkowski: wok made you permant? Um..that sounds bad...I think [21:37] noo [21:37] czajkowski: congrats! [21:37] permanent [21:37] (but not unexpected, I think :)) [21:37] pleia2: thank you [21:37] :D [21:37] czajkowski: like, hired on full time? [21:37] mhall119: aye [21:37] I thought you already where [21:38] Agus: unfortunately 15 days isn't much time to get anything to you [21:38] but Canonical does have programs for doing so [21:38] what kind of? [21:38]