[15:57] <robbiew> o/
[15:57] <robbiew> 3min to go
[15:58] <surbhi> o/
[15:58] <ev> hi
[15:59] <robbiew> 1 min
[15:59] <mvo> hi
[15:59] <cjwatson> here
[16:00] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is robbiew.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Texas
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Texas
[16:00] <robbiew> apparently we can't cope with cold weather AT ALL!!!!!
[16:00] <robbiew> rolling power outages SUCK
[16:00] <robbiew> okay...done with that
[16:01] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:01] <barry> dang.  we missed all the bad weather.  rain only here in dc
[16:01] <robbiew> barry: yeah...but that's the thing...it's just cold in Austin
[16:01] <robbiew> but apparently too many people need it to be 85F or something in their homes
[16:01] <robbiew>  /rant
[16:01] <robbiew> okay...who's first
[16:01] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:01] <mvo> not quite ready, sorry
[16:02] <mvo> I can do the short version though :)
[16:02] <robbiew> lol
[16:02] <robbiew> barry?
[16:02] <barry> python27 archive analysis; attended release team meeting; bug 711468 (python-vigra fails to install); integration of udd docs with packaging guide; i am patch piloting today (after meeting)
[16:02] <barry> done
[16:03] <robbiew> thnx
[16:03] <robbiew> ev?
[16:03] <ev> (done)
[16:03] <ev> Trying to boot the El Torito code from an Ubuntu ISO on a USB disk, in the hopes of chainloading into it and avoiding the bootloader version incompatibility problem (you can't make 10.04 USB disks from 11.04).  Currently digging through the isohybrid/isolinux source to understand its black magic in this space.  Working on understanding enough X internals to write a patch to not clear the framebuffer on exit, so we can have a nice transition between the 
[16:03] <ev> Fixing bugs in usb-creator and ubiquity.
[16:03] <robbiew> "the El Torito code"?
[16:03] <ev> the boot code area of an ISO9660 image
[16:04] <robbiew> oh..heh...I never knew it was called that
[16:04] <robbiew> lol
[16:04] <robbiew> learn something new everyday
[16:04] <robbiew> thnx ev
[16:04] <ev> sure thing :)
[16:04] <robbiew> doko is on holiday...hopefully not injuring himself further on the ski slopes
[16:04] <robbiew> jhunt?
[16:04] <jhunt> Spent most of the time since last week investigating and testing bug
[16:04] <jhunt> 672177 on lucid+maverick+natty. Got rather a funky script now that does
[16:04] <jhunt> repeated reboots and logs activity and fsck output and checks for
[16:04] <jhunt> orphaned inodes. Investigating this bug was rather a voyage of
[16:04] <jhunt> discovery: lots of package juggling fun but also a bit of
[16:04] <jhunt> head-scratching until cjwatson enlightened me on why the sysvinit bzr
[16:04] <jhunt> branch didn't correlate with the binary packages (importer failure - bug
[16:04] <jhunt> 708655).  Wrote "Section 0" of
[16:04] <jhunt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/GettingTheSource
[16:04] <jhunt> based on info from cjwaton. Created lp:~jamesodhunt/+junk/upstart-docs
[16:04] <cjwatson> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_torito#Etymology
[16:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_torito#Etymology
[16:04] <jhunt> for some beta upstart man pages. Dash of Upstart bug reviewing.
[16:05] <jhunt> EOT
[16:06] <ev> cjwatson: didn't know that.  Thanks, that's awesome.
[16:06] <robbiew> jhunt: that's all you did?
[16:06] <robbiew> lol
[16:06] <robbiew> thnx
[16:06] <robbiew> whew
[16:07] <robbiew> jhunt is a machine!
[16:07] <barry> jhunt: i will take a look at that link.  i'm working on moving all the wiki docs into reST docs and integrate w/ the packaging uide
[16:07] <barry> er, guide
[16:07] <jhunt> It's just the short summary lines that make it look like I'm productive :)
[16:07] <robbiew> surbhi: ?
[16:07] <surbhi> * completed the util linux bug: 579858
[16:07] <surbhi> * finished the work to create btrfs subvolumes during installation
[16:07] <surbhi> * uploaded the patches (to mdadm bug 615186 and136252) for mdadm auto assembly fixes, waiting for them to get sponsored
[16:07] <surbhi> * working on event driven initramfs - trying to make mountall work, figuring out why its failing in its interaction with upstart
[16:07] <surbhi> (done)
[16:08] <ev> speaking of mexican restaurants, we should get the England cabal together soon
[16:08] <ev> jhunt: ^
[16:08] <robbiew> \o/ on util bug...thanks!
[16:08] <jhunt> I was waiting for a comment along these lines :)
[16:09] <robbiew> mvo?
[16:09]  * jhunt reaches for Mole bucket...
[16:09] <mvo> apt: merges,work on dpointer branch; Archive-crawler: kill overly huge icons when extracting; updated app-install-data and command-not-found-data; rnr-server: push lp:~mvo/rnr-server/utf8-appnames, lp:~mvo/rnr-server/compat-with-older-clients; software-center: add support for showing not-yet-published apps (for QA) via software-center-agent, port mago tests to current mago, push lp:~mvo/mago/packages  , work on debtags based UI, lots of work
[16:09] <mvo>  on ratings&reviews; Update-manager: work on improved upgrade presentation; merged and uploaded new software-center with ratings&reviews; update-manager: work on EOL handling, misc fixes
[16:09] <ev> jhunt: would that be the bucket that contains the Mole, or the bucket you use after eating the Mole
[16:10] <jhunt> what's that saying about renting Mexican food? (it's the same bucket!)
[16:10] <cjwatson> eww
[16:10] <ev> hahaha
[16:11] <mvo> (done I should add)
[16:11] <robbiew> thnx
[16:11] <robbiew> oh..mvo...your bug assignments have dropped to ;)
[16:12] <robbiew> almost below 100!
[16:12] <robbiew> :/
[16:12] <robbiew> I WILL get you there this week ;)
[16:12] <robbiew> cjwatson?
[16:12]  * mvo hugs robbiew
[16:12] <mvo> robbiew: much appreciated! I owe you [ ] tea or [ ] beer
[16:12] <cjwatson> done: OpenSSH 5.7p1 packaging; fixed nasty console-setup breakage; lots of misc tidy-ups for alpha-2; experimenting with IPv6; starting to get powerpc test system up and running
[16:12] <cjwatson> todo: plymouth framebuffer-switch handling (carried over again, argh, sorry)
[16:12] <cjwatson> --
[16:13] <robbiew> cjwatson: heh..yeah, I noticed a funky looking graphic at bootup now
[16:14] <robbiew> it's 4 boxes with dots inside each one...a reddish orange color...pretty at least :P
[16:14] <robbiew> but hey...still booting DAMN fast!!!!!
[16:14] <robbiew> \o/
[16:14] <cjwatson> four boxes sounds like a corrupted version of the ubuntu-text splash
[16:14] <cjwatson> I hate graphics
[16:14] <ev> cjwatson: getting us ready for the ipv4pocalypse?
[16:14]  * mvo also got a charles stross book last week that keeps him up at night, funny to see airsnort mentioned in a book
[16:14] <cjwatson> mostly just trying to get to the point where I know what I'm talking about
[16:14] <ev> heh
[16:15] <cjwatson> I can ping6 ipv6.google.com, it must work perfectly now :P
[16:15] <robbiew> luckily slangasek runs ipv6 in his house...so we know it at least works
[16:15] <robbiew> lol
[16:15] <barry> cjwatson: how much of your home network infrastructure did you have to rebuild to do that? ;)
[16:15] <robbiew> it's not that hard really
[16:15] <cjwatson> barry: not actually as bad as you might think, though I did have to finally automate DNS zone file generation
[16:16] <cjwatson> 6to4 is shonky though, can't wait for my ISP to get round to native v6
[16:16] <robbiew> yeah...I recall setting up a DNS server to handle IPv6...was a PITA
[16:16]  * robbiew remembers his days of testing AIX with ipv6....the HORROR!!!
[16:16] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:16]  * cjwatson shudders
[16:17] <robbiew> Alpha 2 is this Thus...woot
[16:17] <barry> i'll have to start experimenting too tho my isp does not provide ipv6 yet, i just got converted to docsis3 so it's at least *possible* iiuc
[16:17] <robbiew> if you have any features or bugs you want mentioned in the release notes...update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[16:17] <robbiew> or at least let skaet know
[16:18] <barry> robbiew: main should be fully installable with python27 now
[16:18] <mvo> !!!
[16:18] <slangasek> robbiew: most of the problems aren't with ipv6 working, but with our systems /thinking/ ipv6 should work when it doesn't :)
[16:18] <robbiew> sweet...lol, at first I misread and thought you wrote "unstable"
[16:18] <barry> (not just builds, but all depends: python in main should install.  does it work?  well, that's another matter)
[16:18] <barry> :)
[16:18] <robbiew> slangasek: heh...details...details
[16:19] <robbiew> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:20] <robbiew> so it looks like ev and mvo have some left over workitems
[16:20] <robbiew> mpt around?
[16:20] <robbiew> nope
[16:20] <robbiew> mvo: mpt has a work item that I suspect is doe
[16:20] <robbiew> done
[16:20] <mvo> robbiew: I can write the guidelines up today, that will kill two
[16:21] <robbiew> mvo: for RnR...says something about pixel review from Otto
[16:21] <robbiew> given we just rolled it out...was that done already?
[16:21] <mvo> robbiew: thats not done yet, its about the pixel layout in the client
[16:21] <robbiew> oh
[16:21] <ev> robbiew: definitely deferred (and doing so now). Waiting on DX for that one.
[16:21] <mvo> but we can move it for later
[16:21] <robbiew> thnx
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/GoodNews?
[16:22] <ev> ah, I don't have permission to change the milestone of that one
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/GoodNews?
[16:22] <robbiew> ev: I'll try
[16:22] <ev> thanks
[16:24] <robbiew> I HAVE THE POWERRRR!
[16:24] <robbiew> ev: done
[16:24] <robbiew> :P
[16:25] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:25] <ev> thanks!
[16:25] <robbiew> Ratings and Reviews is out in S-C....WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[16:25] <robbiew> that's good news ;)
[16:25] <barry> yay!
[16:25] <mvo> yeah!
[16:25] <robbiew> I no longer have to manage Security....jdstrand is in da house!!! WOOOOOT!
[16:25] <robbiew> :P
[16:26] <mvo> jamie is managing them team now? nice!
[16:26] <jdstrand> o/
[16:26] <mvo> congrats jdstrand
[16:27] <jdstrand> thanks!
[16:27] <barry> jdstrand: congrats!
[16:27] <robbiew> okey dokey....can call this one a wrap!
[16:28] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:28.
[16:28] <robbiew> thnx all
[16:28] <mvo> thanks
[16:28] <barry> robbiew: cheers
[16:29] <jdstrand> barry: thanks! :)
[16:30] <surbhi> thanks
[19:02]  * stgraber waves
[19:02] <stgraber> highvoltage: ping
[19:03] <mgariepy> hello
[19:03] <stgraber> hey mgariepy
[19:03] <stgraber> mgariepy: is highvoltage around ?
[19:04] <highvoltage> hi!
[19:04] <mgariepy> he's coming :)
[19:04] <mgariepy> :)
[19:04] <stgraber> good, looks like we've everyone ;)
[19:05] <highvoltage> I'm having one of those days where people are telling other people to tell me that they're looking for me on jabber, and other people e-mailing me to tell me that they're looking for me on IRC, and people sending me messages on facebook telling me to read my email
[19:05] <stgraber> ;)
[19:05] <stgraber> yeah, I've been poking you twice through mgariepy :) Don't worry, next week I'll do it in person :)
[19:05] <JFo> highvoltage, I hate those days
[19:06] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, yes :)
[19:06] <highvoltage> JFo: It doesn't bother me anymore, people who are too impatient
[19:06] <highvoltage> oops,
[19:06] <JFo> :)
[19:06] <highvoltage> JFo: It doesn't bother me anymore, people who are too impatient (not stgraber just for the record) will just get deprioritized
[19:07] <stgraber> ;)
[19:07] <highvoltage> especially people msging me on facebook telling me to read my email, since I only get those notifications by email anyway
[19:07] <highvoltage> but I digress.
[19:07] <highvoltage> Edubuntu time!
[19:07] <JFo> I know exactly what you mean highvoltage
[19:07] <JFo> :)
[19:07] <highvoltage> images are currently being built for alpha 2
[19:07] <highvoltage> hopefully the last spins for alpha 2
[19:08] <stgraber> We should have 20110202.1 on cdimage in the next 10mins or so
[19:08] <stgraber> based on my guestimate of the build process (looking at the logs)
[19:08] <highvoltage> they'll be listed on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ when ready so if anyone wants to help test this will be a good time to do so
[19:08] <stgraber> I'll publish them on the tracker as soon as they appear so people will get a mail asking for testing
[19:08] <highvoltage> great
[19:09] <stgraber> other than that, apw is working on my nbd issue and didrocks is fixing gnome-session. So we should have working LTSP for the next alpha ;)
[19:09] <highvoltage> I have the first alpha 2 release anouncement draft done on the website, it's not public there but I'm pasting it in a pastebin so long just for some feedback...
[19:09] <stgraber> highvoltage: as we link to it from the wiki page, we may want to publish it but not promote to front page, so it's there but you need to know the URL
[19:10] <highvoltage> formatting, etc is lost and it looks horrible but this is what we more or less have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561557/
[19:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[19:10] <highvoltage> stgraber: and it won't syndicate via rss either if it's not on the frontpage right?
[19:11] <stgraber> highvoltage: "shouldn't"
[19:11] <highvoltage> http://edubuntu.org/2011-02-02/edubuntu-1104-alpha-2-released
[19:13] <highvoltage> a new librecad package has been uploaded to revu, I gave it a +1 and tumbleweed will review a bit later so if it's good we should have it in the archives after the freeze is over
[19:15] <stgraber> cool
[19:15] <highvoltage> I think I mentioned this in the last meeting, but we're replacing qcad with librecad
[19:15] <stgraber> I have it on my todolist too but I got quite a lot of stuff before that ;)
[19:16] <highvoltage> yeah I know you're way too busy, don't worry about that
[19:18] <highvoltage> anything else we need to do for the alpha?
[19:18] <highvoltage> seems like we just have to test those images (upgrades are already tested), fine-tune the release notes a bit and we should be good to go?
[19:22] <stgraber> sounds good
[19:23] <stgraber> apw has a fix for the nbd hang, so that's already fixed :)
[19:23] <stgraber> still have an issue where I can't disconnect from nbd
[19:26] <highvoltage> I wish there was a way to make nfs as fast as nbd, if it wasn't for the performance difference we probably would've been better off with nfs.
[19:28] <highvoltage> I don't think I have anything further, btw :)
[19:29] <highvoltage> mgariepy had a question about menueditor and patches for the qimo-launcher, but I guess mhall119 could answer then when he's around
[19:30]  * mhall119 is around
[19:30] <mhall119> listening to jono's livestream
[19:30] <mhall119> UDS-P will be back in Orlando
[19:30]  * mhall119 is happy
[19:31] <mgariepy> mhall119, will you need help testing that edubuntu-menueditor would work with qimo-launcher ?
[19:31] <mhall119> mgariepy: all qimo-launcher needs it the ability to point it to a .menu file to edit
[19:31] <mhall119> if it can do that, then I'm 99% sure it'll work
[19:32] <mgariepy> we will probably need to patch desktop-profiles for this to work
[19:32] <stgraber> mhall119: cool, I really like UDS-N, will be great to be back in Orlando !
[19:32] <mhall119> edubuntu-menueditor uses desktop-profiles?
[19:32] <mgariepy> mhall119, yes to apply profiles to group
[19:33] <highvoltage> Orlando sounds cool, just a pity it's in the US :) (at least I figured out the whole US visa thing now)
[19:33] <mhall119> highvoltage: just pass yourself off as a Canadian and we'll be less afraid of you
[19:34] <mgariepy> but i don't think it would be a big problem to add support to qimo-launcher into this code if qimo support XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS correctly,
[19:34] <mhall119> mgariepy: it'll probably need your help with it then
[19:34] <mhall119> qimo sets those at login, yes
[19:34] <mgariepy> ok
[19:34] <mhall119> Xfce honors them, so it should be good
[19:34] <highvoltage> mhall119: heh :)
[19:35] <mgariepy> most DE honor them :)
[19:35] <mhall119> I'm going to build Qimo 3 alpha 2 basesd on the Xubuntu alpha 2 ISO this weekend
[19:35] <mhall119> so I'll know more then
[19:35] <highvoltage> we also still don't have much of a plan for artwork. the artwork team has made some suggestions, but to be frank I'm not excited about any of them (not that I'm the target market, even)
[19:36] <mhall119> Qimo isn't likely to have new artwork this cycle either
[19:36] <stgraber> Edubuntu DVDs are ready for testing !
[19:36] <mhall119> \o/
[19:37] <highvoltage> receiving incremental file list...
[19:38] <highvoltage> we missed some alpha 2 goals, like getting acire, python-snippets and openteacher in the archives. not a big deal though, there's still time before feature freeze
[19:38] <highvoltage> "Integrate seeded package list with Software Center for comments and ratings" <- stgraber I think you suggested that, what exactly needs to be done there?
[19:38] <stgraber> highvoltage: wasn't that for the website ?
[19:39] <mhall119> I'll submit the qimo 3 packages to revu once I've got them working on my alpha 2
[19:39] <mhall119> then we can start working on getting something ready for edubuntu/gnome
[19:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: I think it was the idea of getting our package list on the website and show data from mvo's Review and Ratings thing
[19:40] <mhall119> stgraber: I've got the package list on the wiki, I can look at pulling ratings and comments into that
[19:41] <stgraber> mhall119: that could be a good first step
[19:41] <stgraber> mhall119: the idea for edubuntu.org was to merge the work you did (get description and stuff based on the seeds), use the Software Center's web service to get reviews&ratings and integrate with WebLive
[19:42] <stgraber> so someone could easily browse the educational software list, check the reviews, ratings, screenshots, ... and try it in WebLive if they want to
[19:42] <mhall119> stgraber: do you have a link to the software center web service?  I can start looking into it
[19:43] <stgraber> based on a quick grep, http://reviews.staging.ubuntu.com/reviews/api/1.0
[19:43] <highvoltage> sorry I was distracted by my boss coming to my desk to speak to me and another IRC and jabber conversation :)
[19:44] <mhall119> oh django, even better
[19:44] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm not familiar with mvo's Review and Ratings thing, is there a wiki page or something for it?
[19:44] <mhall119> I'll look to see if it's in launchpad
[19:44] <highvoltage> ah, I see
[19:44] <stgraber> mhall119: yep, my guess is that it's an xml-rpc service, so as the software list on edubuntu.org will very likely be a drupal module and I already use xml-rpc for WebLive, that'll be simple
[19:45] <mhall119> cool
[19:45] <stgraber> basically just need to implement what you did on the wiki (parse the seeds and stuff, grab the package info and put it in the DB) and then grab the rest using xml-rpc (doing some caching so I don't kill the server)
[19:50] <stgraber> anything else for the meeting ?
[19:50] <mgariepy> not for me.
[19:50] <mhall119> nor me
[19:51] <highvoltage> nor me
[19:52] <stgraber> ok, well, thanks everyone, happy testing ! :)