[00:01] <skaet> ubuntu desktop and alternate is up on the iso tracker now
[00:02] <jdstrand> skaet: I'm past eod atm. is there anything you need from me now? do you need me to check in later?
[00:02] <skaet> jdstrand,  if you could check in later that would be appreciated.
[00:04] <skaet> right now, just flavor building images,  and waiting for the arm ones to be ready.
[00:05]  * skaet -> dinner,  biab
[00:06] <jdstrand> kdebindings/kde on armel update: depends on working qt4-x11, which is being worked on first
[00:07] <jdstrand> (actively being worked on that is)
[00:07] <jdstrand> skaet: ack
[00:07]  * jdstrand -> dinner, etc
[00:08] <ogra> jdstrand, if qt4-x11 is broken now it wont make a2 on armel
[00:08] <ogra> (takes to long to build)
[00:09] <jdstrand> ogra: I'm just passing along info from NCommander
[00:09] <ogra> ah
[00:09] <jdstrand> he is aware of both issues and is actively working on fixing qt4-x11
[00:09] <ogra> we are expecting a new qt upstream any day now (according to riddell)
[00:09] <jdstrand> once that is done, he'll start on kdebindings
[00:10] <ogra> yes, i know i just talked to him about it ;)
[00:10] <jdstrand> hehe
[00:10] <jdstrand> well, there you go :)
[00:10] <jdstrand> nice that we all understand each other
[00:10] <ogra> heh
[00:10] <jdstrand> ok, biab myself
[00:18] <jdstrand> skaet: fyi, the dvd build issues should be fixed. seems they tried to snag empathy-common (= 2.32.2-0ubuntu7). empathy 2.32.2-0ubuntu8 on powerpc only finished building 45 minutes ago and the publisher hadn't copied them yet
[00:18] <jdstrand> ok, biab for reals
[00:30] <ogra> skaet, go !
[00:31]  * ogra is off to bed
[00:42] <skaet> ogra, okie.   sleep well.
[01:03] <GrueMaster> skaet: I agree.  Everything looks good on this end.
[01:03] <skaet> Thanks GrueMaster.   Am waiting for the ubuntu dvd build to come to an end, then will be kicking it off.
[01:04] <GrueMaster> np.  I'll look for it in a few hours.
[01:04] <skaet> :)  will post here when I publish to iso tracker.
[01:41] <jdstrand> skaet: I am around again
[01:41] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.
[01:42] <jdstrand> skaet: it seems that things are going ok, but I am only getting failure reports so not sure what the actual status is
[01:42] <skaet> we still had the daily builds enabled it appears.
[01:42] <jdstrand> (the two I mentioned (powerpc) are the only feedback I've seen)
[01:43] <skaet> they're off now,  and the ubuntu DVD just finished building.
[01:43] <jdstrand> \o/
[01:43] <jdstrand> so I was right about libreoffice. always nice :)
[01:43] <jdstrand> well
[01:43] <skaet> I'm about to kick off the netbook builds
[01:43] <jdstrand> I was intially wrong, but then ended right
[01:44] <skaet> and expect that if there is any trouble, that's where we'll see it.
[01:44] <jdstrand> I score that as +1 for jdstrand
[01:44] <skaet> :)
[01:44] <jdstrand> skaet: how long do they typically take?
[01:44] <skaet> suggest you check back in an hour or so
[01:45] <skaet> I'm not sure on the arm side, depends on the builders.
[01:45] <jdstrand> there are a lot of natty_probs for arm. mostly kde, but still a lot
[01:45]  * skaet nods
[01:46] <skaet> I'm not building kubuntu mobile this time round, based on earlier feedback.  Its already documented in the release notes.
[01:46] <jdstrand> cool
[01:55] <skaet> ubuntu dvd's are up on the iso tracker now, for those interested.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> Sigh.  Latest X has issues on armel.  namely it segfaults on start.
[02:14] <GrueMaster> Tracing it now.
[02:18] <skaet> GrueMaster, ack. :(
[02:18] <GrueMaster> yep.
[02:37] <skaet> edubuntu dvd's are up on the iso tracker now.
[03:06] <slangasek> skaet: bug #711614, if it doesn't break all hardware that uses the framebuffer driver, at least breaks X on all common ARM hardware.  Working on a fix now; do you want me to upload when I have it?
[03:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711614 in xserver-xorg-video-fbdev (Ubuntu) "X crashes on OMAP BeagleBoard C4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711614
[03:07] <skaet> slangasek, yes please.
[03:07] <slangasek> ok
[03:07] <slangasek> (it's possible it really is ARM-specific, but AFAICS the same segfault would happen in the PCI codepath)
[03:09]  * skaet crosses fingers crossed its ARM-specific.
[03:09] <slangasek> well, it doesn't affect anything using the common video drivers (nouveau/intel/radeon)
[03:09] <slangasek> but I think it does affect anything using framebuffer
[03:10] <GrueMaster> That could mean VM's I would think.
[03:23] <slangasek> k, X working here again
[03:26] <slangasek> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev 0.4.2-3ubuntu4 uploaded
[03:56] <skaet> ubuntu-netbook preinstalled finished building,  20110202 is there, but I'm kicking off a fresh one, to pick up xserver-xorg-video-fbdev upload.
[03:57] <GrueMaster> skaet: I don't think the new package has published yet.  May want to wait an hour.  Let me see.
[04:01] <GrueMaster> Yea, need to wait for the next publisher run to complete before respinning the images.
[04:02] <skaet> GrueMaster,  ack.  ok will kill it off.
[04:02] <skaet> GrueMaster, please let me know when you see it published so it will pick up.
[04:03] <GrueMaster> I think it will show up in the next hour.  I was told that the publisher starts at :03 and takes ~40 minutes.
[04:25] <jdstrand> skaet: so, seems like things are in general still ok (except the xserver-xorg-video-fbdev you are waiting on)
[04:26] <jdstrand> skaet: GrueMaster was right though. usually by :40 it is ready
[04:26] <skaet> jdstrand, couple of weirdnesses with the builds
[04:26] <skaet> jdstrand, I'll get you to show me how I can check directly next time :)
[04:27] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: in the future, it is possible for me (or cjwatson, or pitti, et al) to reschedule the publisher run if it is required
[04:27] <jdstrand> err
[04:27] <jdstrand> skaet: ^
[04:27] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: nm
[04:28] <jdstrand> skaet: where did you see the weirdness? I don't have the emails
[04:28] <skaet> in terms of the weirdnesses,  for flavors mythbuntu and ubuntu studio,  only i386 versions were produced.  Not sure why no amd64 came out.
[04:29] <skaet> does that trigger any prior conversations?
[04:29] <jdstrand> no... there are some myth nbs on powerpc..
[04:30] <jdstrand> ah
[04:30] <jdstrand> skaet: it looks like the amd64 ubuntustudio got a sigint
[04:30] <jdstrand> KeyboardInterrupt
[04:30] <jdstrand> ^ from germinate
[04:31] <skaet> hmm,  user error on my part?  or something else....
[04:31] <jdstrand> skaet: that was an email from antimony. I initially assumed it was intentional
[04:32] <skaet> heh, was cutting and pasting, so ....
[04:32] <jdstrand> skaet: was the mythtv run part of a longer command that included that?
[04:33] <skaet> jdstrand, yea, I was trying to get all the flavors queued up
[04:33] <jdstrand> that seems to explain it then
[04:34] <skaet> ok, will kick them off again, and see if that fixes it.   doing it manually this time... :/
[04:36] <skaet> have marked them in iso tracker as being rebuilt as well.
[04:36] <jdstrand> cool
[04:37] <jdstrand> skaet: at this point do you need more for anything? thinking I may head to bed. will be available at 7am or so
[04:37] <jdstrand> s/more/me/
[04:37] <skaet> thanks jdstrand.
[04:37] <skaet> sleep well
[04:37] <jdstrand> ok cool
[04:37] <skaet> am expecting cjwatson will be online soon, and sort out what's left at this point.  :)
[04:37] <jdstrand> skaet: try to get some sleep yourself. I'll check the logs first thing and see if I can do anything (assuming cjwatson and pitti don't get to it first)
[04:38] <jdstrand> alrighty
[04:38] <jdstrand> good night!
[04:38] <skaet> :)
[04:47] <jdstrand> skaet: oh, sorry. I just remembered that the 04:03 UTC publication run is pre-empted bye another job :\
[04:47] <jdstrand> skaet: that means that the fbdev driver won't be ready until for another hour
[04:47] <skaet> ok
[04:48] <jdstrand> s/bye/by/
[05:04] <GrueMaster> jdstrand: Thanks for the update.
[05:04] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to have hit the pool yet.
[05:06] <jdstrand> GrueMaster: no, a little bit later I mentioned that the publisher is preempted at 04:03 UTC
[05:06] <GrueMaster> Ah.  Missed that.
[05:06]  * jdstrand forgot about that too
[05:06] <jdstrand> anyhoo, heading off
[06:25] <slangasek> -fbdev installed (at last)
[06:43] <skaet> yup,  armel builds kicked off again.   Will leave it to cjwatson/pitti to move them into the iso tracker when they're ready.
[06:43] <skaet> have rebuilt the ubuntu studio, and mythbuntu - and still only i386 images.
[06:44] <skaet> have uploaded the i386 images to the tracker.
[06:47] <skaet> pitti, see slangasek's comments about framebuffer ^^.    Should an image rebuild be triggered to pick up his fix beyond armel, or do we just document?
[06:48]  * skaet --> bed
[08:13] <pitti> Good morning
[08:13] <pitti> ogra: sorry, went offline shortly before your ping
[08:18] <pitti> skaet_afk, cjwatson: I don't think we need to respin non-armel for this if it doesn't hurt i386/amd64; having an out-of-date package isn't that important for a2 IMHO
[08:23] <pitti> ogra, GrueMaster: I'm adding http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20110202/ as "Ubuntu ARM Preinstalled omap{3,4}"; are there any other armel images to add to the tracker?
[08:24] <pitti> there's an "Ubuntu desktop armel", but I don't think we build images for that?
[08:36] <apw> pitti, are we waiting for more fixes or is whats in the archive 'done' ... ie are any bugs in it something i have to live with
[08:37] <pitti> apw: I guess we are "done", unless we have a real showstopper? what bug are you talking about in particular?
[08:37] <apw> i suspect its one of the stacking in unity isues.  i think i have a modal dialog open which i can't see or interact with
[08:38] <pitti> I think that's the kind of bug we need to release-note
[08:38] <apw> plus for me non-working scroll bars in both places thingies
[08:38] <apw> ok
[08:38] <apw> i'll go moan on ayatana
[08:39] <pitti> confirmed the scrollbar problem
[08:39] <pitti> but at this point we should only respin for install failures or major startup failures
[08:39] <pitti> everything else can be fixed post-install with an update
[09:05] <persia> cjwatson, The power here is 10A/100V, and most stuff is unearthed (or only rarely and optionally earthed).  Perhaps it's a bit less odd when there's a special earthing clip for the wire at the base of the socket.  Sorry for the confusion.
[09:21] <ogra> pitti, you will have to respin everything that uses the framebuffer driver, do VMs use vesa on intel ?
[09:22] <ogra> pitti, and we would need 02.1, not 02 on the tracker
[09:22] <pitti> does it matter which graphics card the VM host uses?
[09:22] <pitti> ogra: oh, I thought skate already triggered new images, and 0202 is the latest we have
[09:22] <ogra> its the X framebuffer driver thats broken
[09:23] <ogra> no, she built 02.1
[09:23] <pitti> anyway, current images work fine in kvm
[09:23] <ogra> 02 has the broken X
[09:23] <ogra> 02.1 is the respin after slangasek's fix
[09:24] <pitti> ah, they appeared now, will update tracker; thanks!
[09:24] <ogra> thanks too :)
[09:24] <pitti> done
[09:24] <pitti> ogra: so "Ubuntu desktop armel" doesn't exist any more, right?
[09:24] <ogra> right
[09:25] <ogra> we only have netbook-preinstalled
[09:25] <ogra> there is a preinstalled headless (name still in discussion) coming for FF
[09:26] <ogra> but not yet
[09:26]  * ogra wonders where you see that desktop image
[10:00] <pitti> ogra: it's an option in the "add image" in the tracker, from older releases
[10:00] <ogra> ah, k
[10:00] <ogra> i was digging on cdimage
[10:00] <ogra> :)
[10:10] <cjwatson> persia: heh, no problem
[10:11] <cjwatson> pitti: catching up and I have a batch of notes from skaet.  What's the summary from your end at the moment?
[10:11] <pitti> cjwatson: good morning
[10:11] <cjwatson> psusi sent me a parted fix for dmraid, but I assume we've missed the boat?
[10:11] <pitti> cjwatson: current armel images are on the tracker, rest should work
[10:11] <cjwatson> ev is producing a new ubiquity upload for bug 702898
[10:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702898 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with TypeError in changed(): value is of wrong type for this column (affects: 21) (dups: 8) (heat: 110)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702898
[10:12] <pitti> it was an open question whether to respin i386/amd64 for the fbdev fix
[10:12] <pitti> but as it doesn't seem to break kvm etc., I don't think we should respin just for that
[10:12] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, that sounds like a better reason for respinning then
[10:12] <cjwatson> affects all users whose IP addresses are unknown to the geoip database, apparently
[10:13] <cjwatson> the fix is a pair of str() casts
[10:14] <pitti> I haven't done a real-iron test install myself yet with today's image (just with earlier ones), that's still on my agenda for today
[10:14] <ev> slightly correction: it affects all users who cannot reach geoip-lookup.ubuntu.com
[10:14] <cjwatson> whee, even better
[10:14] <ev> or whatever the address is
[10:14] <cjwatson> so any non-networked install for example
[10:14] <ev> need more coffee
[10:14] <ev> exactly
[10:15] <cjwatson> any opinions on the parted change?  bug 711616
[10:15] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711616 in parted (Ubuntu) "[PATCH] Fix dmraid install regression (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711616
[10:15] <cjwatson> technically affects all images but I don't know that we have to care about them all being in sync
[10:17] <pitti> the patch looks sane enough; does that get folded into the ubiquity source, or is it a separate package?
[10:17] <cjwatson> separate
[10:18] <pitti> I don't mind having out-of-sync packages for A2, so I'm fine with having it on every image we need to respin anyway, and document the rest
[10:18] <pitti> e. g. I don't think we should respin armels for this
[10:19] <ogra> only if it fixes an oem-config issue ;)
[10:20] <ogra> we dont use plain ubiquity nor doe we use dmraid on preinstalled
[10:20] <ogra> *do
[10:20] <cjwatson> I wouldn't expect to see dmraid on armel, no
[10:20] <ogra> i would
[10:21] <cjwatson> blink
[10:21] <ogra> but not by default
[10:21] <cjwatson> on what kind of platform?
[10:21] <ogra> people do weird things to run a NAS with USB disks ;)
[10:21] <cjwatson> uploaded, anyway
[10:21] <cjwatson> bizarre
[10:23]  * ogra wonders how to download the images with the constantly segfaulting NM on his laptop
[11:48] <cjwatson> mythbuntu desktop amd64 and ubuntustudio alternate amd64 posted
[12:39] <cjwatson> pitti: ok, so which images do we need to respin for the new ubiquity+parted?
[12:39] <cjwatson> pitti: * desktop {amd64,i386}?
[12:39] <pitti> edubuntu DVD as well, I suppose?
[12:40] <pitti> ubuntu and edubuntu DVDs didn't get testing yet anyway
[12:40] <cjwatson> yeah, DVDs too
[12:40] <pitti> I can't see anything else
[12:40] <cjwatson> OK, I'll get started on those
[12:40] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:41] <cjwatson> ev: does oem-config use the geoip selector?
[12:41] <cjwatson> I'm not desperately inclined to respin alternates, maybe we can just release-note
[12:42] <pitti> the workaround would be to disable the network during oem-setup?
[12:43] <cjwatson> enable, I think
[12:44]  * cjwatson queues up giant build set
[12:44] <cjwatson> echo ubuntu desktop; buildlive ubuntu daily-live && for-project ubuntu cron.daily-live && build-chinese-edition /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso; echo kubuntu desktop; buildlive kubuntu daily-live && for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; echo xubuntu desktop; buildlive xubuntu daily-live && for-project xubuntu cron.daily-live; echo mythbuntu desktop; buildlive mythbuntu daily-live ...
[12:44] <cjwatson> ... && for-project mythbuntu cron.daily-live; echo kubuntu-mobile; buildlive kubuntu-mobile daily-live && for-project kubuntu-mobile cron.daily-live; echo ubuntu dvd; buildlive ubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project ubuntu cron.dvd; echo edubuntu dvd; buildlive edubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project edubuntu cron.dvd; echo kubuntu dvd; buildlive kubuntu-dvd dvd && for-project kubuntu cron.dvd
[12:57] <cjwatson> I'm archiving jaunty off cdimage and releases to save space
[13:05] <ev> cjwatson: yes
[13:05] <cjwatson> ev: would you be OK with release-noting that problem for oem-config?
[13:05] <ev> sure
[13:06] <ev> after lunch, if that's okay
[13:07] <cjwatson> oh, yeah, I just mean OK with not respinning for it
[13:11] <ev> ah, indeed
[13:52] <ev> done
[13:53] <ev> feel free to reword that if its not to your liking
[13:55] <Riddell> where are the release notes?
[13:55] <ev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[14:06] <didrocks> hey
[14:07] <didrocks> so, I have a fix for a compiz crash at start some people seem to get
[14:07] <didrocks> (bug #708812)
[14:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708812 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in CompOption::value() (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 28)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/708812
[14:07] <didrocks> is there a respin schedulded?
[14:09] <cjwatson> there's one in progress
[14:09] <cjwatson> there is not currently another scheduled
[14:09] <cjwatson> certainly looks like you should upload that anyway and we'll see what happens
[14:10] <didrocks> ok
[14:10] <cjwatson> oh, hmm
[14:10] <cjwatson> compiz has fairly tight versioned dependencies and is an arch all/any mix
[14:10] <cjwatson> so buildd skew could break one of the respins in progress
[14:10] <cjwatson> let's see, how long does it take to build?
[14:10] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, so I can wait for the respins to be finished
[14:11] <didrocks> cjwatson: where should I monitor that? iso.qa ?
[14:11] <cjwatson> mm, takes over an hour on armel, so no way to reliably squeeze it in
[14:11] <cjwatson> there's no good monitoring really, I'll have to just tell you
[14:11] <didrocks> ok, just ping me please then when you think it's safe
[14:12] <cjwatson> actually, mind you, I'm not doing any armel respins at the moment, and everything else takes <30 minutes
[14:12] <cjwatson> didrocks: if you go ahead right now I believe it should be safe
[14:12] <didrocks> cjwatson: excellent, doing it now then. Thanks :)
[14:12] <cjwatson> (because all of amd64/i386/powerpc will build before the next publisher run)
[14:13] <cjwatson> and all the distro buildds are currently idle
[14:13] <stgraber> cjwatson: what's part of that respin ?
[14:13] <didrocks> ok, nice to get that fix soon :)
[14:16] <cjwatson> stgraber: ubiquity fix upon failure to contact geoip; parted fix for broken dmraid installations; um, whatever else was in the archive
[14:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: ok, so that's going to affect all desktop builds ? shouldn't they be disabled on the tracker ?
[14:17] <cjwatson> it's such a hassle to go around clicking all the buttons
[14:18] <cjwatson> done now
[14:23]  * pitti disables ubuntu desktops as well
[14:23] <pitti> ah, actually, are they current already?
[14:23] <pitti> 13:33 UTC
[14:24] <pitti> checking manifest..
[14:24] <stgraber> marjo: Speaking of the tracker ;) Could you check on which machine it's running now and see if I can get my ssh access restored ?
[14:25] <pitti> they are, sorry; reenabling
[14:25] <stgraber> marjo: I lost access to it on Lucid's release week when it was moved to another box. I used to have ssh access with sudo rights to the "db" user to access the postgresql DB and run some scripts.
[14:30] <marjo> stgraber: ok, will do
[14:53] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, they were current
[14:53] <cjwatson> Kubuntu desktops posted now too
[14:55] <Riddell> thanks
[15:29] <pitti> uh -- "ubiquity[2970]: segfault at bbadbeef ... in libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0.5.2
[15:30] <cjwatson> that came up before
[15:30] <pitti> not only is this unfortunate, it's also a really snarky address to crash at
[15:30] <cjwatson> bug 710852
[15:30] <cjwatson> err
[15:30] <cjwatson> bug 710582
[15:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (ubiquity crashes after step 'Who are you', yelp segfaults) (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 30)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582
[15:30] <pitti> ah, thanks
[15:32] <pitti> I guess I'll release-note that then
[15:34] <cjwatson> ev: is there a way to disable the slideshow at run-time or boot-time?
[15:34] <ev> you can always uninstall the package
[15:38] <cjwatson> mm, I was hoping for something release-notable
[15:39] <smoser> cjwatson, can you populate tracker from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/20110202/published-ec2-daily.txt please
[15:40] <cjwatson> smoser: done
[15:46] <jibel> pitti, whats your cpu ? I can reproduce the crash on anthenticAMD but not on Intel.
[15:46] <smoser> cjwatson, or someone...
[15:46] <smoser> so i click on one of those amis
[15:46] <smoser> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4959
[15:46] <smoser> then click on one of the tests
[15:46] <smoser> and there is no where to record anything
[15:46] <smoser> ie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4959/549 is blank
[15:46] <smoser> stupid user
[15:47] <smoser> login, smoser.
[15:47] <smoser> (sorry for the wasted bytes)
[15:50] <skaet> smoser, np
[15:50] <stgraber> skaet: what page do I update to release note something ? I'd like to release note LTSP as non-working for Edubuntu and Ubuntu Alternate
[15:52] <pitti> cjwatson: that should be possible in the live system, though; apt-get purge ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu actually works, ubiquity just looks rather funny then (small window)
[15:52] <skaet> stgraber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[15:53] <apw> stgraber, whats the blocker on that?
[15:53] <pitti> skaet: good morning
[15:54] <stgraber> - the new nbd-client that somebody merged last week gets stuck on I/O wait when connecting for the second time to the same server (blocking login)
[15:54] <stgraber> - calling /etc/X11/Xsession fails as gnome-session needs a parameter now
[15:55] <stgraber> (calling only "/etc/X11/Xsession" should start the "default" session and not just say "No valid session found")
[15:55] <skaet> pitti, good afternoon,  from the logs looks like the fun has continued since last night...
[15:55] <stgraber> didrocks: ^ (as you're around ;))
[15:56] <didrocks> stgraber: on a call, will look at it then :)
[15:56] <cjwatson> pitti: yeah, though it's not really a graceful workaround
[15:56] <pitti> cjwatson: right, but at least it gets you further; test install still running, if it succeeds, want me to release note it?
[15:57] <cjwatson> yep - if it only happens on amd64, that's interesting too
[15:57] <pitti> my i386 test install went fine, but that was without internet (broadcom wifi on the dell mini)
[15:57] <pitti> this amd64 run is in kvm
[15:58] <pitti> but as the slideshow shouldn't access the network, that's hopefully not a factor
[15:58] <cjwatson> you hope.  who knows what webkit does :)
[15:58] <pitti>  well, webkit might try to fetch something
[15:58] <cjwatson> but yeah
[15:58] <pitti> extra CSS or whatnot
[15:58] <cjwatson> xml schema
[15:58] <pitti> I'll test i386 in kvm afterwards to check
[16:00] <pitti> and amd64 without network as well
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: cpu> crash was in kvm
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: intel atom (netbook) i386 worked
[16:08] <stgraber> skaet, didrocks: bug 707232 (initially reported by linaro, added ubuntu task and set gnome-session as the package for now)
[16:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707232 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Netbook image - no valid session found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707232
[16:09] <skaet> stgraber,  thanks!
[16:14] <stgraber> skaet: nbd issue is bug 711951
[16:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711951 in nbd (Ubuntu) "New nbd-client hangs when connecting a second time to a server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711951
[16:20] <pitti> cjwatson: I confirmed that it's unrelated to the network and amd64 specific, and that purging slideshow works; documenting..
[16:21] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:28] <didrocks> stgraber: hey
[16:28] <stgraber> didrocks: hi
[16:28] <didrocks> stgraber: so, it doesns't need a parameter… the default should still be called without one, isn't it?
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: currently some systems including LTSP start: "/etc/X11/Xsession" without any parameter an expect the default session to open
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: calling that basically starts "gnome-session" still without parameter
[16:29] <stgraber> didrocks: which currently fails
[16:29] <didrocks> stgraber: interesting, let me have a look
[16:29] <didrocks> one sec
[16:30] <stgraber> I'd expect "gnome-session" without any parameter to start whatever should be the default, so probably unity and falling back to classic if unity doesn't work on the hardware (quite likely with LTSP)
[16:30] <pitti> didrocks, seb128: I brushed up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview a bit now; do you have suggestions what to add to the "desktop" section or notable known bugs in compiz/unity which should be documented?
[16:31] <didrocks> stgraber: oh you're right
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'll add some crashes and issues with unity
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: will do it before EOD
[16:31] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[16:31] <didrocks> pitti: yw :)
[16:32] <didrocks> stgraber: so, ok for ubuntu.session for being the default when calling it with nothing?
[16:32] <didrocks> stgraber: I'll add a patch, can you file a bug, please?
[16:33] <didrocks> (I'll report the handing to upstream as well)
[16:33] <stgraber> didrocks: bug 707232
[16:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707232 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Netbook image - no valid session found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707232
[16:33] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[16:33] <apw> stgraber, ok if its in D there may be a kernel interaction ... i've requested some debugging in your bug (ndb one)
[16:33] <didrocks> stgraber: thanks :)
[16:33] <seb128> pitti, I will let didrocks list those, no need to duplicate the work, not sure the jockey issues are worth mentioning
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: I don't think so; nvidia/fglrx are now disabled anyway, and broadcom can be installed from the installer
[16:34] <stgraber> apw: ok, I saw a recent upload of nbd-client so thought it might be that, but nbd.ko can also be the problem (or the interaction between nbd-client and nbd.ko)
[16:34] <pitti> seb128: but then again I didn't see the crash; if it's prominent, I'm happy to add it
[16:34] <apw> stgraber, indeed, either could be at fault, knowing what the client is trying to do when it locks may help, which is what i am asking for :)
[16:34] <didrocks> cjwatson: pitti: btw, no respin scheduled for now? (just to know if I need to report the crash at startup or not in the TechnicalOverview)
[16:35] <cjwatson> didrocks: I don't at present but am willing to be overruled ...
[16:35] <cjwatson> since skaet's up now I reckon it's her call
[16:35] <pitti> didrocks: not scheduled for other reasons, anyway
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, ok, I was not sure if that was a "crash for everybody after install" or not
[16:35] <didrocks> ok, I'll mention it for now
[16:36]  * skaet emerging back from release note... and scanning log
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/711225 I mean
[16:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711225 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey-gtk crashed with TypeError in _cleanup(): an integer is required (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[16:37] <pitti> seb128: it looks like a corner case to me; I thought you meant bug 706193
[16:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 706193 in jockey (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'ICON_LOOKUP_USE_BUILTIN' (affects: 22) (dups: 21) (heat: 180)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/706193
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, ok, I've no clue about the crash, just that jockey doesn't start on my alpha2 test install
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, if that's a corner case great
[16:38] <pitti> bah, compiz focus issues are driving me mad
[16:40] <stgraber> apw: ok, updated bug report with some more info
[16:41] <stgraber> apw: I'm rebooting my VM now and will try the old nbd-client to see if that fixes/workaround the problem
[16:41] <apw> didrocks, i think i just got your new compiz ... had a working compiz on login 5/5, as against about 1/4 before
[16:42] <didrocks> apw: nice, that was the goal TBH :)
[16:42] <apw> didrocks, :)  thought you should know
[16:42] <didrocks> apw: thanks for the feedback, nice to have some good news in this crashing time ;)
[16:42] <apw> didrocks, i now am seeing huge delays starting indicators about 1/4 ..
[16:43] <apw> stgraber, good thanks
[16:43] <didrocks> apw: if you try to killall unity-panel-service? does it fix it? (no hurry though)
[16:44] <apw> didrocks, they come eventually I'd say between 30s and 60s (not measured it) just not 'immediate' like normal
[16:44] <didrocks> apw: yeah, try kill this service (it will respawn) in that case, juste to ensure it's the unity or the indicator side
[16:45] <apw> didrocks, will do that next time it occurs
[16:45] <didrocks> sure :)
[16:46] <apw> stgraber, could i get the whole dmesg please
[16:49] <stgraber> apw: going to boot a livecd to reproduce it instead, I just trashed my VM by force rebooting it too much (last initrd is probably half-synced to the disk so it won't boot)
[16:49] <apw> stgraber, ok thanks, i suspect this is a kernel locking issue from the dump you have in there
[16:50] <stgraber> using the old client didn't help, haven't tried the old server yet but I don't think it'd change anything
[16:50] <apw> stgraber, want to know if there is anything before that .... feel free to move this discussion over to #ubuntu-kernel as we are likely spamming release here
[16:53]  * cjwatson posts xubuntu desktop and mythbuntu desktop.  sorry for being tardy on those
[16:54] <cjwatson> ubuntu dvd, edubuntu dvd, and kubuntu dvd are still in the pipeline; please could somebody post those when they're done?  I need to go out
[16:55] <stgraber> I'll do it
[16:55] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:12]  * Daviey wonders if the release team would slap Daviey with a wet trout if he suggested a Eucalyptus upload for A2.
[17:15]  * skaet has hands full with unity foo. 
[17:15] <skaet> Daviey,  what's it fixing?
[17:16] <Daviey> skaet, FTBFS, ability to start instances and a security fix.
[17:17]  * apw hands skaet the biggest trout in his lake
[17:17] <Daviey> skaet, The current UEC experience is weak, making A2 somewhat pointless benchmark for it.
[17:17]  * skaet accepts trout from apw - contemplating roasting it rather than throwing it around though...
[17:18] <skaet> Daviey,  ok, lets add it into the queue for rebuilds, and call off QA on those images.
[17:18] <skaet> don't think they've gotten too far.
[17:18] <Daviey> skaet, great!  thanks
[17:18]  * Daviey munches on trout.
[17:19] <skaet> let me know when the uploads are done, and we're ready to kick off the rebuilds (ie, package has landed and available)
[17:23] <Daviey> skaet, wilco, thanks
[17:33] <seb128> skaet, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/708018
[17:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 708018 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "ubuntu-sso-login crashed with IndexError in prompt_handle(): list index out of range (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged]
[17:33] <seb128> skaet, you might want to add this one to the notes
[17:33] <seb128> pitti, ^
[17:33] <seb128> it's basically ubuntu-sso-client crashing on autologin accounts (or livecd)
[17:34] <seb128> the u1 guys are working on it now
[17:38] <skaet> pitti, could you see if you can nudge getting unity available for the iso builds?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.4.0-0ubuntu2
[17:42] <seb128> skaet, it failed to build
[17:42] <seb128> didrocks, ^
[17:43] <pitti> re
[17:43] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/63367725/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.unity_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:43] <didrocks> oh? didn't get email this time :/
[17:43] <seb128> didrocks, guess that needs the fix you commited earlier today
[17:44] <didrocks> argh, the glu one with the new glew :/
[17:44] <didrocks> ok, let's forget about unity then, needs a glew upload for proper fix…
[17:45] <skaet> didrocks, ok can you please add the comments to the release notes about this?
[17:46] <didrocks> skaet: about the migration tool crash at start? sure
[17:46] <skaet> didrocks, yup.  thanks!
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: ah, because it doesn't unlock the keyring?
[17:49] <pitti> seb128: happy to add that to the RNs
[17:51] <seb128> pitti, because they use the login keyring but there is none of those in an autologin session
[17:51] <pitti> right
[17:51] <Daviey> pitti, Do you have LP foo to make a package build higher priority?
[17:51] <pitti> seb128: I wonder why it doesn't crash on the live session? do we have a casper script to disable this?
[17:51] <pitti> Daviey: yes
[17:52] <pitti> "fu" anyway :)
[17:52] <pitti> Daviey: which one do you need bumped?
[17:52] <pitti> seb128: ah, will add after didrocks is done editing
[17:52] <Daviey> Pici, would you might bumping https://launchpad.net/~davewalker/+archive/uec-testing/+buildjob/2238876 , it would make it easier for hggdh to test before it's uploaded to the archive.
[17:52] <Daviey> err, pitti
[17:52] <didrocks> pitti: will tell you once finished
[17:52] <pitti> done
[17:53] <seb128> pitti, it does crash on the livecd
[17:53] <Daviey> pitti, thanks!
[17:53] <seb128> pitti, did you try to authentificate on the live session?
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: not to U1
[17:55] <Daviey> dammit... okay skaet - it's still failing to build, i thought we had this fixed and it is not.
[17:56] <didrocks> pitti: done, I'll complete on the desktop part a little later
[17:56] <Daviey> perhaps it would be better to ship A2 with a known broken version, taking the pressure off to get a fix in apt-get upgrade away... What are your thoughts?
[17:56] <pitti> didrocks: hm, I still get a "locked" message
[17:56] <didrocks> pitti: hum? I'm on the preview page
[17:57] <didrocks> (the one after saving)
[17:57] <pitti> ah, works now
[17:57] <didrocks> maybe I pong you before wikimoinsmoins finishes its saving
[17:57] <stgraber> Ubuntu DVD is ready for testing
[17:58] <skaet> Daviey,  its an A2, so just document it *really* well, so folks don't waste time.
[17:58] <skaet> stgraber,  sweet.  thanks.
[17:58] <Daviey> skaet, ok, thanks.
[18:16] <ogra> Daviey, as long as it works on arm we wont complain :)
[18:18] <Daviey> ogra, good luck with that... let us know when we have kvm on arm :)
[18:19] <skaet> ogra, how are the images from last night looking?
[18:19] <ogra> ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show eucalyptus-cloud|grep Architecture:
[18:19] <ogra> Architecture: armel
[18:20] <ogra> Daviey, you mean that wouldnt work !?!
[18:20] <ogra> skaet, all fine
[18:20] <Daviey> ogra, Ohhh, sure eucalyptus works.... but you can't start instances :)
[18:20] <ogra> you really need to fix that !!!
[18:20] <ogra> *g*
[18:20] <Daviey> ogra, Okay, i'll port kvm to arm before i go to bed tonight :)
[18:21] <ogra> thanks, i'll ping you tomorrow :)
[18:21] <skaet> ogra, cool.   Could you go to the release notes, and add the features you want highlighted for this release then.  :)
[18:21]  * ogra will go to bed early today :)
[18:22] <ogra> skaet, i went over them already, we dont have anything to highlight until unity-2d is on the images
[18:22] <ogra> they currently dont differ from maverick
[18:22] <Daviey> ogra, nn :)
[18:22] <ogra> heh
[18:22] <skaet> ogra,  thanks.
[18:23] <ogra> A3 will be our big one :)
[18:23] <ogra> with lots of blogging and screenshots
[18:23]  * skaet hopes that all testing will be done *early* in the cycle. 
[18:24] <ogra> and indeed with the eucalyptus port from Daviey included by default ;)
[18:25] <ogra> skaet, fully agreed and i was hoping we could get it on the A2 images, but a Qt bug prevents us from it ... there is no way we ship a desktop where half the apps segfault
[18:26] <skaet> ogra, *agree*
[18:27] <ogra> unity-2d itself is ready :(
[18:27]  * ogra is really sad that we cant ship it yet
[19:05] <Riddell> are kubuntu DVDs going to appear at some point?
[19:06] <stgraber> they should. I'm monitoring cdimage to check when edubuntu and kubuntu appears
[19:06] <stgraber> edubuntu seems to be building at the moment, kubuntu should be next
[19:18] <GrueMaster> skaet: Unless there is a dire need to respin, omap/omap4 image testing is done.  No critical/high/medium issues.
[19:23]  * ogra lols about Bug 711968
[19:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 711968 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "[natty] Installer suggests "Not-Available" as computer name (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711968
[19:23] <ogra> did nobody tell marc about the new empathy integration of the installer ?
[19:26] <GrueMaster> I don't think he's available for comment.
[19:27] <skaet> GrueMaster,  thanks!  there are reasons to respin, but its unlikely we'll be getting the fixes in time.  So we'll be going with these images.
[19:27] <GrueMaster> Oh?  What issues?
[19:27] <GrueMaster> Other than the ubiquity fixes (which I have tested).
[19:29] <skaet> GrueMaster,  unity changes and eucalyptus ones,  shouldn't be impacting you.
[19:30]  * skaet was using images in context beyond arm ;)
[19:31] <GrueMaster> Nope, neither one does.  Unity is in the images but won't run w/o 3D acceleration and eucalyptus isn't in the image.
[19:35] <skaet> stgraber, any update on the edubuntu dvds?  you posting?
[19:36] <stgraber> skaet: oops, Edubuntu meeting ;) I guess they just showed up, weren't there 10mins ago. Adding them now.
[19:36] <skaet> stgraber, sweet.  Thanks!
[20:22] <highvoltage> anyone else available to look at Edubuntu amd64?
[20:23] <highvoltage> The installer window just completely dissappears for me after I enter the user details and click next
[20:23] <highvoltage> seems to be fine on i386 though. it's under kvm so it could perhaps just have something to do with that
[20:26] <skaet> highvoltage, we've got some real nastiness going on with amd64 (see: https://launchpad.net/bugs/710582).  Is yours possibly related?
[20:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 710582 in yelp (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "webkit does not implement "assert" sanely (ubiquity crashes after step 'Who are you', yelp segfaults) (affects: 5) (dups: 3) (heat: 40)" [Undecided,New]
[20:37] <charlie-tca> skaet: updated release notes
[20:37] <skaet> charlie-tca, thank you! :)
[20:38] <highvoltage> skaet: yep, that's it
[20:39] <skaet> thanks highvoltage,  can you add your info to the log of the bug then.
[20:40] <highvoltage> skaet: ok, will do
[20:41] <skaet> :)
[20:56] <charlie-tca> skaet: I need to add wording to the workaround for the ubiquity bug. In Xubuntu, you open a terminal (shortcut does not work), then purge "ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu"
[20:57] <skaet> charlie-tca, go ahead.  (and thank you)
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[22:09] <smoser> skaet, EC2 images are tested
[22:09] <smoser> pre-publishing is in progress
[22:09] <smoser> images still need to be tested on UEC, but would really be surprised to see a failure there.
[22:13] <skaet> smoser,  cool.  Thanks!
[23:16] <slangasek> lamont: gourd runs out of memory trying to build qemu-linaro for armel :(
[23:16] <slangasek> lamont: should we build qemu under qemu?