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directhexwe have vaapi support? i thought it was still theory00:53
ilikecowsCan anyone help me setup a second monitor? :3 Albeit it's on Debian -_-01:03
Azelphurilikecows: what graphics card?01:08
ilikecowsIntel Series 4 chipset01:08
ilikecowsIt's a laptop with a VGA port01:08
Azelphurah01:08
Azelphurnfi on debian01:08
Azelphuron Ubuntu you just press the button in the monitors gui01:09
ilikecowsWell the thing is01:09
ilikecowsIn the Monitors GUI here, it see's both monitors. However, it appears as Unknown and only shows some of the resolutions the laptop screen supports01:10
ilikecowsEG 1380x786 iirc01:10
ilikecowsBut I need 1280x1024. I achieved this ONCE by booting into Recovery mode and it recognized my monitor in the Monitors GUI as Acer Systems01:10
ilikecowsIt showed me the resolutions it really supports01:11
Azelphurdo you have the clone display tickbox ticked01:11
ilikecowsNo01:11
ilikecowsThe dual screens works fine01:11
ilikecowsI have an extended desktop01:11
ilikecowsBut01:11
ilikecowsMaximum supported resolution is 1024x78601:11
Azelphurweird01:12
ilikecowsThe one higher, 1380x786, isn't supported01:12
ilikecowsI don't even have an Xorg.conf file to edit01:12
Azelphurmaybe it can be done with xrandr01:12
Azelphurbut I dunno much about that01:12
ilikecowsAnd Xorg -reconfigure gives me a skeleton file with nothing in it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does literally nothing01:13
ilikecowsAnd xrandr just plain doesn't work =/01:13
* Azelphur shrugs01:13
AzelphurI'm outta ideas01:13
ilikecowsThanks anyway :) Nice to know I'm not the only one somewhat stumped01:13
ilikecowsOh and one other question :p01:15
ilikecowssudo rmmod pcspkr removes that aweful system beep01:15
ilikecowsBut only for that session/until I reboot01:15
ilikecowsHow do I do it permanently?01:15
Azelphur*shrug*01:17
ilikecowsXD Never mind. Thanks a lot anyway01:17
directhexilikecows, type xrandr into a console, pastebin the output01:17
AzelphurI useless :D01:17
ilikecows@Azelphur, far from it01:18
ilikecows@directhex, http://pastebin.com/py5bURZ701:18
AlanBellmorning all06:16
MartijnVdSmorning06:18
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screen-xmorning :)07:13
czajkowskidear gods why does morning come so quickly07:30
MartijnVdSczajkowski: quickly?07:32
MartijnVdSit took forever!07:32
screen-xMartijnVdS: not sleeping well?07:32
MartijnVdSscreen-x: I tend to wake up an hour before the rest of the world07:35
MartijnVdS(i.e. 6am)07:35
screen-xMartijnVdS: I was up about then this morning, not fun..07:35
MartijnVdSscreen-x: UK time or NL time? :)07:36
screen-xUK07:36
MartijnVdSso that's 7am for me, proving my point ;)07:36
screen-x:)07:36
screen-xMartijnVdS: at least you are cheery with it :)07:36
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czajkowskithink I'll get the 8:34 train07:37
screen-xczajkowski: sounds good, don't bother with the metro..07:37
czajkowskinope plug in ear phones07:38
czajkowskimusic and wake up07:38
czajkowskiI also fancy BACON07:38
screen-x:)07:38
screen-x /msg quotebot add "(2011-02-02 07:38:57) czajkowski: I also fancy BACON"07:39
czajkowski:)07:43
czajkowskiif I stop at working the sandwich dude on platform 1 does a tasty bap07:44
czajkowski:D07:44
czajkowskithe guy at platfrm 3/4 and 5 isn't half as nice07:44
screen-xczajkowski: local knowledge ftw :)07:44
czajkowskistarving at woking leads to a lot of sampling !07:45
screen-xnow if only there was some form of short message broadcast system that let you share your opinion of the local sandwich vendors..07:46
MartijnVdSscreen-x: hotpot!07:46
MartijnVdSgoogle.com/hotpot07:47
screen-xMartijnVdS: I was angling for twitter, but that looks better..07:49
screen-xthough it can't use an apps account :(07:49
MartijnVdSscreen-x: it can, but the "friends" bit doesn't work07:51
MartijnVdSI'm still waiting for youtube to start understanding apps accounts07:51
screen-xahh, ok07:52
MartijnVdSah youtube works08:01
MartijnVdSjust have to enable it in the admin panel08:01
screen-xMartijnVdS: the google apps control panel?08:03
MartijnVdSscreen-x: yes the "manage my domain" pages08:04
MartijnVdSscreen-x: then "Organization & Users" tab, "Services"08:04
MartijnVdSand there it's at the bottom08:04
screen-xthanks :)08:06
screen-xwhat's youtube cms>08:06
MartijnVdSscreen-x: No idea, I guess it's something for "pro" youtube uploaders08:06
MartijnVdSto change their channel's looks08:06
MartijnVdSah08:06
MartijnVdSYouTube Content Manager is the interface to YouTube Content ID System - our suite of copyright management tools that helps content owners identify and manage their content on YouTube.08:06
screen-xahh, don't need that then08:06
MartijnVdSscreen-x: you don't want youtube to remove videos with your singing in it? :)08:07
screen-xMartijnVdS: thankfully there aren't any of those (to the best of my knowledge..)08:11
screen-xhow can I test in a bash script whether a file has been modified in the last x days?08:16
MartijnVdSscreen-x: with one of the "-something" options.. lemme check08:17
MartijnVdSwait.. that's only easy in Perl..08:17
screen-xfind is a possibility, but would be better to use one of the [ or [[ options.08:17
MartijnVdSscreen-x: find can do it08:17
screen-xhaha snap08:17
MartijnVdSwith [ you'd need to touch a file and use [ $file -ot $touched_file ]08:18
screen-xbut then I'd have to have touched the file in the past..08:18
MezOk, I'm fairly sure that there shouldn't be enough voltage going across a DVI connector (from the monitor) to 1) cause sparks when plugging it in and 2) to give me an electric shock.08:18
MezOr am I wrong?08:18
MartijnVdSMez: low voltage _differential_ :)08:19
MartijnVdSMez: could be 1500/1501V ;)08:19
MezMartijnVdS: ?08:19
screen-xMez: I saw sparks the other day when trying to mash a usb plug into a displayport socket..08:19
MartijnVdSMez: it might mean your PC isn't grounded properly08:20
MezMartijnVdS: it was from the monitor...08:20
* MartijnVdS has a laptop that's "fizzy" to the touch from electricity08:20
MartijnVdS(but only if it's plugged into the wall)08:20
MartijnVdSgood thing it's a Pentium 2 ;)08:22
* Mez is a little worried about this08:22
MartijnVdSMez: get a voltmeter, measure measure measure :)08:22
Mezthe monitor's been playing up for a couple of weeks now (wont turn on in the morning - or after the screensavers gone on, or randomly) - so I'm just going to get a replacement.08:31
screen-xMez: sounds sensible08:41
* Mez watches the Gadget show on the IP Camera08:46
DJonesMorning all09:04
MooDoohello all09:07
DJonesMorning MooDoo09:08
* Neoti|work lol @ mez.... stalker !!! lol..... 09:19
wintellectMornin all09:24
SuperMattgood ning09:24
MezNeoti|work: why am I a stalker?09:24
Neoti|workwatching gadget show on there ip cam .... lol09:25
MezWhat - they're downstairs in our warehouse!09:25
MezWhere they're standing, I could go videobomb them from the canteen.09:26
Mezoooh... I just noticed - all 4 of them are here.09:28
daubersMorning09:29
* czajkowski hugs ubuntu-uk09:30
DaveMorrisfor those near Sussex - http://email.ietinfo.org/c/11PsTg1vxwodQdjTGk09:31
DaveMorris The danger of software patents - Richard Stallman09:31
daubersczajkowski: What did we do now?09:33
tugrikany idea if you can run a "normal" Ubuntu desktop, with minimal functionality, without python or perl installed?09:33
tugrik( morning btw )09:33
czajkowskidaubers: I got bacon.. It made me very happy. I felt the need to share.09:33
daubersczajkowski: I see..09:34
MooDooczajkowski: you're worrying me, you've not abused me or davmor2 in a few days now....what's going on?09:34
* czajkowski hugs MooDoo 09:34
* MooDoo gives up and enjoys it while it lasts....hugs czajkowski 09:35
daubersOff to the show tomorrow \o/09:36
screen-x:(09:37
daubersscreen-x: ?09:37
screen-xdaubers: proxy seems to be wobbling recently09:38
daubersOh, ok09:38
dauberspoxy proxies]09:38
screen-x;-)09:38
kazadeanyone at the expo in Barbican?09:39
popeynot I09:40
bigcalmpopey: I've deleted minecraft from my workstation. I found it to be incompatable with productivity09:41
czajkowskidaubers: me too09:41
kazadeAlanBell?09:41
czajkowskiaye he's there09:42
screen-xbigcalm: it sounded like you were being very productive in minecraft09:44
bigcalmscreen-x: I was :) But that doesn't keep clients happy09:44
popeyhahah bigcalm09:46
bigcalmIt's still on my laptop though09:46
czajkowskino davmor209:48
dwatkinsI know I'll get addicted to Minecraft if I start playing, it's bad enough having Sim City 2000 on my personal Macbook as a time-sink.09:48
czajkowskivery upsetting09:48
JamesTaitHappy Wednesday folks!09:54
=== Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem
screen-xweird, mouse wheel has stopped working10:03
bigcalmOut of cheese error?10:04
DJonesJust replace it with a hampster wheel10:04
Daraelbigcalm: Or possibly "+++MELON MELON MELON+++"10:04
bigcalm:)10:04
bigcalmI'm glad people know the reference :)10:05
screen-ximwheel -c doesn't register an event when the wheel moves :(10:05
* screen-x replugs10:05
bigcalmHave you tried turning it off and on again?10:05
screen-xstill the same :(10:05
gordweirdly, ffmpeg doesn't seem to come with a vorbis encoder. can't work my brain around that one10:09
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imexilHi I was wondering if the directory locations like ~/.local/bin are standardised somewhere? Couldn't really find something useful on freedesktop.org10:27
popey~/.local/bin doesn't sound very standardised10:29
popeyimexil: what is in yours?10:29
imexilpopey, I noticed that ~/.local/lib is used and recognised by python. So putting the bins under .local/bin sounded logically and I would prefer that over ~/bin10:30
popeynone of my machine have a .local/lib10:31
imexilstrange10:31
popeyso i guess you've built a python program locally without root?10:31
imexilbut ~/.local?10:31
imexilyes10:31
popeyi have ~/.local/share, but no lib10:32
AlanBellhi all10:32
imexilactually I build 'be' (bugsanywhere) and that one installed in ~/bin and ~/lib which did not work10:32
* AlanBell is at the open source expo10:32
jpds~/.local/share/Trash/ maybe?10:32
AlanBellwith kazade10:32
imexilso I moved it to ~/.local/lib where python automatically recognised the modules10:32
screen-xAlanBell: what's going on AlanBell?10:32
AlanBellI will sort some pictures in a bit10:33
imexilpopey: Ha just found it: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/10:33
imexilSo looks really like a python own 'standard'10:34
imexil*looks like10:34
popeylovely10:34
popeyhello AlanBell10:34
popeyAlanBell: make sure kazade doesn't slack off playing minecraft!10:35
popey(or do, and have that as a demo!10:35
AlanBellpopey: first thing he did was ask me to pull up the map10:35
popeylol10:35
* popey rsyncs the latest map up 10:36
screen-xJust switched off old workstation, didn't realise how noisy it was till now!10:37
bigcalmA client wants me to put a link to their youtube channel into their website. Is there a location for aproved logos for linking to youtube?10:42
screen-xbigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/t/press_room_image_files10:43
bigcalmscreen-x: cheers :)10:43
bigcalmNo idea why I couldn't find that10:43
bigcalmI such at teh internets10:43
bigcalmDamn x-chat kept auto correcting t e h10:43
popey:)10:44
screen-x2011-02-02 10:43:35) bigcalm: I such at teh internets10:44
bigcalmAnd I suck10:44
bigcalmBah10:44
gordgeez, auto-ducking 2 hours of audio on audacity takes like 10 minutes on my computer, audio editing must be hell for people living in like 200110:44
bigcalmI'm tempted to just sit at the bottom of the stairs and wait for my graze box to arrive10:45
popeyheh10:45
bigcalmClient's requirement: "add You Tube logo to match"10:46
bigcalmTo match the existing images he's created10:46
popeyAlanBell: hows it going?10:47
bigcalmI'm not a graphics person *sigh*10:47
AlanBellgood, met a few interesting people already10:47
AlanBelland I got the CDs from Millbank10:47
screen-xbigcalm: I'd use the official ones, don't want to get busted by google..10:47
bigcalmscreen-x: there isn't a square one10:48
bigcalmA YT in a square block would be fitting10:48
screen-xbut unrecognisable10:48
bigcalmGIS to the rescue: http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=yt+square+logo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1347&bih=83410:48
popeyhttp://popey.com/minecraftmap/ updated :)10:49
bigcalmHeh10:50
bigcalmI completed a whole side, but it's one that you can't see10:50
screen-xpopey wow, last time I looked it was just a 10mb jpg10:50
gordbe nice if signposts were enabled by default on that map10:50
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popeyhmm, wonder how you do that10:55
pr0ph3thi all10:58
DJonesAlanBell: Have you just seen the email on the mailing list about the expo?10:59
DJones"At the expo formerly known as Linux, can't find anyone, no-one's heard of ubuntu or .org. I don't have anyone's mobile number and no one seems to have Skype online. Giving up and going home. " That was from Paula (pmgazz)10:59
pr0ph3tI have a Nokia N97 phone, I was able to use it as a modem with the usb cable connected, but now for some reason when I connect it in PC Suite mode ubuntu automounts the phone's drives, tries to lock the camera and won't let me connect to internet. Any ideas why? Could something have changed in the DBus configuration perhaps?11:01
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: you can select (on the phone) what kind of device it should be11:02
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: at least, my last Nokia would ask11:02
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: Mass storage, etc.11:02
pr0ph3tI select PC Suite11:02
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: what are the other options11:02
popeythat doesnt sound like the optimal selection11:02
pr0ph3tMass Storage Media Transfer11:02
MartijnVdSpopey: PC Suite is Nokia-speak for "act like a serial port"11:03
pr0ph3tpopey, that's what let me connect before and that's what I've read in the forums11:03
pr0ph3tbecause in that mode shouldn't mount the drives11:03
pr0ph3tor try to lock the camera11:04
pr0ph3tbut ubuntu does all that before I even select PC Suite Mode11:05
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: somewhere in the phone's settings there's an option for the default mode11:05
MartijnVdSthat might have become set to mass storage11:05
pr0ph3tMartijnVdS, I have it on "ask on connection"11:06
pr0ph3tthe problem is that it doesn't matter what I put, because before I can select anything it tries to mount and lock the camera anyways11:07
popeyhmmm11:07
pr0ph3tthat's why I was thinking maybe it has something to do with DBus?11:08
jpdsAlanBell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-February/028610.html11:08
pr0ph3torg.freedesktop.DBus11:08
davmor2morning all11:08
AlanBellanyone know about evolution being fixed for Exchange access?11:09
AlanBellexchange 2003 that is11:09
davmor2AlanBell: no idea sorry I don't have exchange11:09
MartijnVdSI hope it will be11:09
MartijnVdSbecause at work it's broken11:09
MartijnVdSalso, exchange 200711:10
MartijnVdS(it's been flaky forever though)11:10
AlanBelljpds: thanks, bother11:10
popeypr0ph3t: when did it stop working?11:15
BigRedSQuick non-ubuntu question - how is "irssi" pronounced?11:15
popeyeye ar ess ess eye11:15
popeyor11:15
popeyersee11:15
popeyor11:15
popey"Who cares?" :)11:15
pr0ph3tpopey, I only used it once, and then I tried to use it again last night but ot wasn't working. The connection is all ready, the modem is recognised, the sim card is registered, but it doesn't connect, the apn is right as well11:18
popeywhen did you last use it? was it under a different release of ubuntu?11:18
BigRedS:) I'm just introducing it to someone and they asked. I get told off for my mispronounciation o f'debian' tho thought it best to check11:18
Laneyi usually say it like 'irc' :(11:19
popeyif someone tells you off for mispronouncing stuff then ask them how they pronounce "Nokia" and "Nike"11:19
popeyand then proceed to tell them they pronounced it incorrectly, _however_ they pronounce it11:19
bigcalmHeh11:19
popeyhttp://www.observer.com/2011/tech/flickr-accidentally-deletes-users-4000-photos-and-cant-get-them-back11:20
czajkowskiI have people tell me I say my name wrong :s11:20
popey\o/ cloud computing11:20
pr0ph3tpopey, I last used it a few days ago under the same distro11:20
andylockranhowdy11:20
andylockrannot happy.. expenses paid £300 less than expected. says I filled the form in wrong.  Good job I kept a copy of what I filled in as file I uploaded modified..11:21
dwatkinsouch, andylockran :(11:25
MooDoopopey: ouch, a lot of photos....11:30
davmor2czajkowski: that cause this is how you spell czajkowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky11:30
davmor2morning czajkowski11:31
MooDoodavmor2: nice to see the abuse back in action :)11:31
* czajkowski hugs davmor2 11:32
* davmor2 is confused as to why when searching apps for idle tomboy appears11:33
MooDoo.fasinfo misaakidis11:41
MooDoooops :D11:41
MartijnVdSMooDoo: Stalker! Stalker!11:42
MooDoolol11:42
* czajkowski hugs MooDoo and davmor2 11:45
czajkowskihow are my two favourites doing11:45
bigcalmWhy does our joint account have so much money in it? I fear some direct debits are late11:45
MartijnVdSbigcalm: they decided you needed the money more this month ;)11:46
bigcalmMartijnVdS: how thoughtful :)11:46
dogmatic69bigcalm: because they want you to spend it and then double debit you next month11:46
davmor2czajkowski: when you were poorly did you slip and hit your head at all ;)  I'm busy and tired you?11:46
MooDooczajkowski: i'm fine thanks, and you are so feeling poorly, you've not insulted me once in a few days...:)11:46
DJonesbigcalm: Maybe your wife has had a pay rise11:47
bigcalmDJones: tricky ;)11:47
* MooDoo hugs czajkowski just for the hell of it and he's feeling brave :)11:47
davmor2MooDoo: Her's going for that reverse psychology malarkey, being nice to drive us up the wall :D11:48
bigcalmIf my girlfriend had a payrise, I doubt that she'd just throw it at the joint account ;)11:48
MooDoodavmor2: it's working.....11:48
MooDoodavmor2: sort her out will you....) it's not natural :)11:48
brobostigonmorning everyone.11:48
bigcalmWoop, almost exercise time :)11:48
bigcalmHi11:49
brobostigonmorning bigcalm11:49
davmor2MooDoo: Not till after tomorrow I think you'll find :)11:50
MooDoodavmor2: what's happening till tomorrow?11:51
davmor2MooDoo: We're both at canonical :D11:51
MooDoodavmor2: mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hope you're taking protective equipment....11:52
MooDoodavmor2: are you going for a particular reason?11:53
davmor2MooDoo: I work for them :D and a new piece of work went public yesterday so it's overview time and part of my team are sprinting there too11:54
MooDoodavmor2: well that explains it then :D11:54
MooDoodavmor2: need a tea boy?11:54
davmor2MooDoo: Oh and of course czajkowski will be there11:55
popeyOi! That's my job!11:55
DJonespopey: But you need an assistant tea boy for when you're Minecrafting11:55
MooDoodavmor2: picture or i won't believe it ;)11:55
davmor2popey achieves teaboy status in minecraft11:56
MooDoowent on the server last night, but my connection was being crap11:57
popey:(11:57
czajkowskidavmor2: :D11:57
czajkowskiMooDoo: you could join us11:57
czajkowskithe 3 of us go for Tea11:57
* popey re-runs the "Who spends too much time in minecraft" report11:57
MooDooczajkowski: don't beat him too much :)11:57
MooDoodavmor2: when you doing the "lets take ubuntu uk irc'ers on a tour of canonical towers?"11:58
gordits not that exciting there ;) its an office11:59
davmor2MooDoo: No plan to do that but to be honest it's just an office11:59
MooDoogord: i know it's the mystique of it as well ;)11:59
popeyits quite dull, other than the view11:59
screen-xof all the macs?11:59
gordgord towers is much more exciting11:59
gordhas a cat11:59
davmor2popey: true the view is pretty impressive11:59
gordand a gord12:00
MooDoopah ruin my dreams ;)12:00
davmor2gord: they've got loads of cat ...........5 cable12:00
gord*crickets*12:00
popeyhttp://tumbleweed.popey.com/12:00
davmor2popey: I've tlod you before you need to animate that to make it funny12:02
brobostigonmorning again, everyone.12:03
MooDoobrobostigon: morning12:03
brobostigonMooDoo: good morning.12:03
popeywe should have another quiz night12:04
screen-xpopey: irl?12:04
popeyonline12:04
MooDoosounds good12:05
screen-xmore likely to be able to make an online one :)12:05
brobostigoninteresting,12:05
DJonesThat sounds a great idea12:05
popeywe did a few some time ago12:05
brobostigonyes. i remember.12:05
Myrttimeh, waiting12:06
TwinkletoesPart of my init script looks like this (10 lines): http://paste.ubuntu.com/561369/  .  When the process is started, everything works as expected, but if the process is not running, and ps -u returns no output, no other lines are echoed to the screen.  Any ideas?12:11
pr0ph3tre all12:13
pr0ph3tI managed to connect with bluetooth as well now12:13
pr0ph3tMartijnVdS, you said you had nokias before, do you use android now if I may ask?12:13
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: yes12:13
MartijnVdSNexus One *stroke*12:14
pr0ph3tMartijnVdS, do you find it more compatible in some ways than an S60 phone with Ubuntu?12:15
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: I've tried USB and wifi tethering, both work fine12:15
MartijnVdSpr0ph3t: USB data storage works with banshee, rhythmbox, f-spot, shotwell12:16
MartijnVdSso it's at least as compatible :)12:16
MartijnVdSI sync it with my Google account, so no issues there either (I use google's web interfaces on my desktop, not Evolution/other crashy software)12:16
pr0ph3tI sync on oviweb as well12:17
=== cferthorney_ is now known as cferthorney
pr0ph3tok so really there is a very good support for S60 in ubuntu, I can also use it as a remote for media applications and as a ssh client12:19
pr0ph3twhich you can do with android as well12:19
pr0ph3tso there is really no need to swap to android from S60 as far as compatibility goes12:22
pr0ph3tfantastic12:22
screen-xany recommendations for reasonable cheap 24" monitor? Only for office/browsing/xterm usage.12:32
X3Njust got an LG Flatron W2442PE, it's OK12:33
X3Nnothing special12:33
* MartijnVdS waves at X3N in hd12:34
X3No/12:34
MartijnVdSscreen-x: I've found Dell screens to be very good12:34
screen-xThanks X3N.12:34
screen-xMartijnVdS: I'll check them out.12:35
Oli``Their UltraSharps are disgustingly good in my limited experience12:41
Oli``But similarly expensive12:42
screen-xOli``: yeah, out of range12:42
Oli``If you can find any, I can recommend Samsung SyncMaster 245Bs12:43
screen-xooh, I have a 245BW at home..12:43
Oli``Mine are a couple of years old now so they've probably replaced the model12:44
Oli``Don't know the difference between the B and BW... Looking at a review, the bezel just looks a bit shinier12:45
screen-xthis looks pretty similar, and cheaper: http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-2443bw-24--widescreen-1920-x-1200-5ms-dvi-d-vga-height-adjustable-lcd-monitor-6CY8.html12:47
Oli``They haven't dropped much in price12:48
Oli``Oh I see, different model12:48
Oli``Now you've got me thinking about monitors. This will only end expensively.12:50
screen-xhttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/173836?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products12:52
Oli``I'm also on ebuyer... http://www.ebuyer.com/product/19548412:52
Oli``It's a good thing I can't afford two of those.12:53
screen-xheh this is for work, no chance of that sort of thing!12:53
screen-xThough, having used a 27" screen, you don't want 2 of them,  you'd have to move your head too much.12:54
Oli``Not sure I could fit two 27" screens on the desk without it collapsing anyway12:54
Oli``Hah, that's probably true too12:54
screen-xMaybe if they were both standard aspect, that would be good :)12:54
popeydefine standard aspect ;)12:55
screen-xpopey: !wide12:55
popeythats not an aspect ratio I recognise12:56
Oli``4:3... ish12:56
popeytry 16:9, 16:10, 4:3...12:56
screen-x"fairly square"12:56
TwinkletoesIf you type 'ps -u <some_user>' && echo "XXXX" ', if ps returns some results in addition to it's column headers, then you'll see XXXX underneath.  If ps only returns column headers because it can't find any process with that user, then XXXX is NOT displayed.  why is this?13:06
popeyTwinkletoes: run ps -u someuser, and then run echo $?13:09
popeyyou will see if ps runs okay you get a return code 013:09
popeyif it doesn't find any processes you get a return code 113:09
popeythe && is only doing the echo if rc=013:09
Twinkletoespopey: In my init script I have the two commands on 2 separate lines, and the echo doesn't work.13:10
popeyi dont understand "doesnt work"13:10
popeyI was just explaining why echo "XXXX" doesn't happen13:11
popeyits because ps -u <fu> returns no results13:11
Twinkletoespopey: I was trying to simplify the problem - which I thin kyou've solved for me, so I was trying to give you my original issue13:11
popey:)13:11
Twinkletoespopey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561369/13:11
TwinkletoesIf ps -u jira returns nothing, then nothing else after that line is executed in the script13:11
popeyahh13:12
popeyinside a case13:12
popeyit's seen as one line I guess13:12
TwinkletoesYes13:12
popeystick it in a function13:12
popeystatus)13:12
popeycheck_status13:12
popeythen have a check_status function which does all that stuff13:13
Twinkletoespopey: Ah, ok - is it something to do with the way case statements work... one line?13:13
popeyyeah13:13
=== cferthorney is now known as cferthorney|afk
Twinkletoespopey: Let me try that - thank you13:14
popeynp13:14
screen-x!abs13:15
lubotu3Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, obtainable with ${package-manager} install abs-guide, is a quick and comprehensive guide to bash (command line) scripting in *nix systems. It is also viewable via web at http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/13:15
Twinkletoesscreen-x: looks good... available as a pdf?13:16
screen-xhttp://tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf13:17
TwinkletoesOh my word - that was too obvious, I'm soooo embarrassed13:18
AlanBelldanfish has arrived \o/13:18
ubuntuuk-planet[Laura Czajkowski] Being a locoteam - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/02/being-a-locoteam/13:19
popeyAlanBell: yay13:19
Myrttib13:23
MartijnVdSMyrtti: c.13:23
Twinkletoespopey: Crap - I've fouind the problem....13:26
Twinkletoespopey: the script was using /bin/sh with -e13:26
Twinkletoespopey: Who on earth would ever put that in a script!13:27
popeyhah13:27
popeyI find ALT+Tab on Ubuntu to be incredibly slow, much slower than on lower spec Windows / OSX machines.13:31
popeyOn windows/osx it's _instant_13:32
popeyOn Ubuntu its ALT+TAB.. wait... there it is!13:32
dutchiei can't see any delay here13:40
dutchiebut then i don't have oxs/windows to compare it with13:40
dutchieosx13:40
popeywill video it when i get home13:40
AlanBelljust updated natty but I don't get the draggable window borders13:42
AlanBellshadows I mean13:43
stgraberpopey: alt-tab on natty is really slow, especially with > 20 windows. Surprisingly the expose-effect (win+w) is extremely fast13:43
popeythanks stgraber13:43
stgraberso for now, I'm using alt-tab only for windows that are minimized and use win+w for everything else13:44
gordalt tab is slow, wonder if compiz is making mipmaps13:50
gordpopey, stgraber you might want to try using a different plugin for alt-tab, compiz comes with a few13:50
davmor2popey: it's pretty quick here you sure it's not an issue with you gfx, I'm on intel here13:51
X3Npretty slow for me, I'm on intel too, 17+ apps but I'm using metacity's compositor13:52
popeygord: I'd like to use whatever we're shipping13:52
popeyI dont want to switch to something else and miss a bug13:53
popeywhich is also why I haven't switched off global menu, despite getting very frustrated with it13:53
ali1234frustrated?13:58
X3Nit's like annoyed but with more desperation13:58
X3Nbut that's not important right nowe13:59
X3N-e13:59
popeyHEHE14:02
popey-caps14:02
tugrikX3N: :)14:02
lazarus_where would i start if i wanted to make my own spin off of ubuntu ?14:14
DJones!remaster14:14
lubotu3Interested in remastering the Ubuntu !live CD? See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization or use tools such as http://uck.sourceforge.net/ or http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/DRU_Disc_Remastering_Utility14:14
DJonesHave a look at those links, might give you a starting point14:15
screen-xlazarus_: what do you want to change?14:16
gordthere are cases where global menu annoys me and cases where i really like it, don't honestly know what to think of it yet14:17
gordeven though i'v been using it for about a year14:17
lazarus_screen-x: default programmes themes login sounds add better manuals flash and so on14:17
lazarus_its going to be mostly for personal use14:17
screen-xlazarus_: Those can all be achieved with packages14:18
screen-xlazarus_: so my suggestion would be a few packages, and a metagpackage that depends on them all, in  a ppa14:18
lazarus_screen-x: im trying to have these preinstalled so it's efeectivly a ghost image14:19
screen-xlazarus_: ah ok.14:20
lazarus_excuse my bad spelling14:20
* njpatel breaking nux again14:20
njpateland this is the wrong channel14:20
DJonesnjpatel: No, this is the right channel, it must be, we're all here14:22
njpatelI dunno, you guys could all be a figment of my imagination. I could be Neo inside a shitty matrix ;)14:23
bigcalm!ohmy14:24
lubotu3Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.14:24
DJonesDepends, did you eat the Blue mushrrom, the red mushroom or the fluorescent multi-coloured one?14:24
* brobostigon gives up on trying to solve a "diabolical" difficulty sudoku.14:24
njpateli apologise :)14:24
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: have google goggles do it :)14:24
bigcalmbrobostigon: scan it with googlegoggles ;)14:25
MartijnVdS^5 bigcalm14:25
brobostigoncheating, MartijnVdS and bigcalm.14:25
njpatelThe purple mushroom with orange stripes14:25
bigcalmVery much so14:25
bigcalmBut if you give up...14:25
brobostigonbigcalm: i might try again later.14:25
DJonesnjpatel: That explains it14:25
=== cferthorney|afk is now known as cferthorney
brobostigoni resorted to google goggles,14:34
bigcalmHeh14:35
brobostigonbigcalm: i got frustrated.14:35
popeydidnt know google goggles could do sudoku14:36
brobostigonfirst time i tried it, it worked well, quite quickly awell.14:37
brobostigoni wonder if i can deal with one of those big ones, with 5 connected together.14:38
brobostigonif it*14:38
brobostigonnope, ohwell.14:40
screen-xBest thing about monaural telephone headset: can have earphone in the other ear. Worst thing: bitshifter in one ear and hold music in the other is really odd.14:42
Mezscreen-x: that'd just confuse me.14:43
bigcalmSkype reduces all other audio channels when in a call. Great, except that it doesn't then restore previous values afterwards14:43
bigcalm(windows)14:43
Mezscreen-x: I also hate monaural telephone headsets.... espescially with what I have to use them for.14:43
ali1234the skype UI is horrible bloatware on all platforms14:44
popey+114:44
ali1234however, the telepathy integration done by collabra is absolutely incredible14:45
ali1234*collabora14:45
kazadeafternoon all14:45
MartijnVdS\o kazade14:45
popeyhullo kazade14:45
kazadeJust got back from the expo :)14:45
kazadethere wasn't much actual open source going on...14:45
kazadelots of "cloud" though14:46
popeywhat a surprise14:46
kazadeI went to a couple of talks on OSS, but there was nothing in the afternoon, so I went to the pub instead14:46
kazadelast I saw of AlanBell he was drowning in people eager to try Ubuntu ;)14:46
kazadenow, down to business..14:47
kazadefinishing my Minecraft tower ;)14:47
popey:D14:47
kazadeI did play it at the expo for a bit14:47
popeyhaha14:47
kazadebut laptop touchpads aren't built for it14:48
ali1234if he made it into a mobile app somehow he'd be an instant billionaire14:49
popeysomeone made a rip off version14:49
popeyand then removed it from the store14:49
=== denny- is now known as denny
directhexport minecraft to c#, offer versions for iphone/android/wp7/wii/ps3/linux/mac/windows/silverlight. easy!15:00
popeyport minecraft to python...15:01
popeywait...15:01
popeywait...15:01
popeyetc15:01
gordthe android guys got in touch with the minecraft guys at once point (over twitter, its all java and such), don't think anything came of it though15:02
bigcalmI don't see how the interface would work15:02
popeyhttp://twitter.com/#!/minecraftapp15:05
popeythere are screenshots about15:05
kazadewhat. the.15:06
kazadethere are creepers on the top of my tower!15:06
MooDoohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9K8ZQTOMY15:06
kazadethey just blew me up and the view point :/15:06
popeyhaha15:06
popeyyou need more lights up there15:06
popeyi went up there last night and it was very dark in the tower staircase15:07
popeywonder if stone is more resiliant to explosions15:07
popeyif you chuck cobble into a furnace you get stone15:07
popeylooks nicer too15:07
MartijnVdS"looks nicer" is relative :P15:07
popeyheh ofc15:08
kazadewell, the platform is (was) made out of wood..15:10
kazadeI'd nearly finished it too :/15:10
gordif you need something creeper proof, you gotta go obsidian, takes foreeeever to mine though15:13
popeyyeah, need lots of diamond for that15:28
kazadeah, only just discovered charcoal!15:39
kazadethat makes life easier!15:39
directhexBURN WOOD15:39
kazadeyeah, I know that now :)15:39
kazadeI've been searching high and lo for coal!15:39
=== monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller
screen-xsomeone needs to write a minecraft <--> irc gateway15:42
popeycharcoal?15:43
popeyscreen-x: there is one15:43
screen-xheh15:43
dutchiepopey: smelt wood and you get charcoal, which is like coal in every way except you can't stack the two in the same inventory slot15:43
popeythanks!15:44
popeywood as in trees or planks?15:44
dutchietrees iirc15:44
danfishgreeting from the expo - we're still here :)15:44
dutchieyes, straight from trees15:44
brobostigonafternoonings danfish :)15:44
danfishlo15:45
popeydanfish: is anyone else?15:45
popeydanfish: also, photos!15:45
danfishpopey: the Alans, bruno girin, and barry drake15:46
danfishi'm sure piccies will follow15:47
danfishjust planning pub - the Shakespeare http://ubunt.eu/je15:48
davmor2who's at the show?  I hope they have minecraft installed :D15:52
AlanBello/15:52
AlanBellnot installed it yet15:52
davmor2AlanBell: Sensible man you wouldn't get people away from the stand :D15:54
danfishoops - the Shakespeare http://ubunt.eu/jf15:56
TOSDroidHi from the expo.15:58
davmor2AlanBell: how's it going at the expo?16:00
AlanBellgoing quite well16:03
* screen-x converts an article about wound healing in mules to docbook xml16:04
* dwatkins visits ubuntu.com and for a moment wonders what happened to his language settings16:06
popeyheh, nice16:08
jpdsdwatkins: Nothing, your traffic's going through China.16:09
* dwatkins grins16:09
dwatkinsI translated the message on the download screen just in case it had changed, it had not16:10
andylockranhowdy16:17
screen-xhi andylockran16:19
andylockranhow's things?16:19
screen-xI'm lookint at htop, I have no swap configured, yet the virtual memory use and resident memory use are not the same, why not?16:20
screen-xso X is using 200M of Virtual memory, and has 80M resident, where is the other 120M if there's no swap?16:20
directhexhiding16:21
directhexunder the sofa16:21
screen-xfree -mt --show-sofa16:22
screen-xnah, not there16:22
screen-xam I misunderstanding Virtual Memor16:23
screen-x+y?16:23
MonsterKilleris there a way i can get a certain part of a package? i could do with the lighttpd init script for server 10.1016:26
screen-xMonsterKiller: you extract the contents of the package in a temp dir, then copy the file you want.16:27
screen-xMonsterKiller: ar x  If I remember correctly.16:27
directhexdpkg -x16:28
screen-xApparently Virt includes all program code/libraries that are linked to the executable, some parts are not resident because they have been needed yet.  Therefore Virtual  > Resident although swap=016:32
popeyMonsterKiller: apt-get source lighttpd16:40
popeywill unpack it for you :)16:40
MartijnVdSpopey: only if you have dpkg-dev installed16:42
popeypretty sure I have done apt-get source foo on a plain system16:43
gordapt-get source works on plain systems yeah16:45
MartijnVdShmm16:45
MartijnVdSit didn't "back in the day"16:45
popeyi just did it on my server with no dpkg-dev16:45
popeygmb: http://twitter.com/#!/Documentally/status/32841166135230464 saw that and thought of you16:46
MartijnVdSmaybe it grew up16:46
exobuzzsome dists lack the deb-src lines which are needed to grab the source of course.16:49
exobuzzeasy enough to add16:49
gmbpopey: Thank you kindly. Not a date that I can do, but the thought is appreciated.16:50
exobuzzdpkg-dev is needed for building from source with say dpkg-buildpackage. only apt-get needed to grab the source (with the deb-src lines)16:50
kazadepopey, I'm getting there with the tower :) http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current_day.png16:50
kazadealthough, spiders keep spawning on the roof and killing me :/16:51
popeykazade: you need a bow and arrow :)17:00
popey*arrows17:00
kazade:)17:02
popeyhttp://popey.com/minecraftmap/17:02
popeyupdated17:02
popeyI need to schedule that to rsync up17:03
kazadeI wanna put a fire up at the top of that tower (inside)..17:04
kazadebut I'm terrified it'll burn the floor17:05
kazadethat floor has taken me HOURS and countless falling off :p17:05
popey:)17:06
AlanBellnew pub location!!17:12
AlanBellpub #317:12
popeyhah17:12
AlanBellThe Trader pub on Whitecross street17:13
popeykazade: seen the skywalk the linux outlaws guys have on their server?17:13
popeyhttp://alain.sixgun.org/map/17:13
terranPub?17:14
kazadewow that's pretty impressive :)17:14
kazadepopey, someone just needs to duplicate my tower somewhere else and we can join them up ;)17:15
popeykazade: will do :)17:15
popeyhow about the land to the north with all the trees17:15
gordanyone got a rotated display in natty want to confirm a bug for me?17:15
kazadepopey, perfect, try and make it line up though ;)17:16
popeyor half way between yours and the pyramid17:16
popey(upturned)17:16
kazadeactually that's probably better17:16
kazadeas it will actually seem to go somewhere ;)17:16
popey:)17:17
popeyhey, every direction goes somewhere17:17
kazadethe tower is 5x5, and I've learnt from experience ... build a ladder as you do it17:17
popeyheh17:17
kazademine has a ladder up the back now after I got sick (almost literally) of going round and round those stairs ;)17:17
bigcalmDamn it, just played mc on mc.net17:18
kazadeI'll start building a path from mine in that direction17:18
bigcalmI have no control any more17:18
popeylol17:18
bigcalmUsed up the sandstone in the chests. Only 1 side left to finish17:18
kazadepopey, what should the walkway floor be made of?17:19
kazadewe could make it grass ;)17:19
bigcalmCloud17:19
brobostigonis it possible, with the multiplayer minecraft classic, to connect to servers that arent in that list, http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp  , just curious.17:19
popeythe free version, no17:19
brobostigonok, thanks popey17:19
bigcalmBuy the game, it's cheap :)17:19
popeybrobostigon: do you have a machine it will run on?17:20
brobostigonpopey: what kind of specs do i need ?17:20
popeydunno, I have only used a machine that's quite pokey17:21
bigcalmpokey popey17:21
popeyhokey popey17:21
screen-xleft leg in.. right leg out..17:21
bigcalmThat was in my mind as well17:21
bigcalm:)17:21
brobostigonwill 1GB of ram, an 1ghz athlon, and a resonablyrecent nvidia work?17:22
popeyhow much ram does your machine have brobostigon ?17:22
bigcalmHumm17:22
bigcalmJava is hungry17:22
popeyyou can tweak java a bit17:22
brobostigonyes17:22
brobostigonok, thats good.17:23
DJonesbrobostigon: I tried on a 2.8Ghz, 1.5Gb machine with Intel Extreme graphics last night & the free version didn't work for me17:23
popeyDJones: define didnt work?17:23
popeyhttp://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=2914517:23
popeythat thread says what the specs are17:23
brobostigon:(17:24
brobostigonnowhere near.17:25
popey:(17:25
brobostigonohwell.17:25
gordadding "Extreme" to "Intel Graphics" makes me think that its prolly a rather underpowered gpu that they added a buzzword to17:27
davmor2gord: wait till they hear the word "Vengeance" if they add that to the end it  becomes a kick ass gfx card right?17:30
gorddavmor2, no, adding an X only, or just putting more numbers in makes graphics cards better17:35
popeywow bigcalm, nearly finished17:39
bigcalmNot sure what to do with it17:41
popeymake a hole in the bottom, and fill buckets with water and have them cascade down the inside :)17:46
popeyand out the bottom17:46
pr0ph3thi all17:48
pr0ph3tI get the error insmod: error inserting 'asus-laptop.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module. How do I find out more precisely of what it's talking about17:49
pr0ph3tis "-1" the unknown symbol?17:50
pr0ph3tI have the source code so I would be able to modify it. Also is it possible that this happens because I need a newer kernel or gcc or something?17:51
popeyhow are you inserting it?17:52
popeyand what happens if you type "modinfo asus-laptop"17:53
popey(can you pastebin the output)17:53
popeybigcalm / ali1234 / kazade, I have automated it so when gmaps and static maps generate they upload to popey.com so should be faster to load. links at http://popeydc.dyndns.org/17:54
bigcalmTa17:54
bigcalmHasn't been updated recently then :)17:54
popeyyeah, checking :)17:55
pr0ph3tpopey, http://pastebin.com/m8WnaQ9y17:57
pr0ph3tsyntax error in the source code?17:57
popey17:52:36 < popey> how are you inserting it?17:58
pr0ph3tpopey, using insmod, so I guess?17:58
pr0ph3tnot sure whAT YOU MEAN17:58
pr0ph3tsorry caps17:59
popeycan you paste the output of  the following commands:-17:59
popeylsmod17:59
popeymodprobe asus_laptop17:59
popeysorry, sudo modprobe asus_laptop17:59
pr0ph3tpopey, with underscore?18:00
popeyyeah18:00
pr0ph3tok18:00
pr0ph3tpopey, lsmod http://pastebin.com/GCc6eR8n18:01
pr0ph3tno output for sudo modprobe asus_laptop18:02
popeyok, lsmod again18:02
popeyand pastebin18:02
popeysorry pr0ph3t I'm off home18:05
* brobostigon starts cooking a beef curry,18:06
s-foxGoodbye.18:07
q_a_z_steveAnyone here know of a reputable registrar for .it TLD?18:43
MartijnVdSmaybe gandi.net does .it?18:43
MartijnVdSI like gandi18:43
brobostigoncurry ready, ,nomnomnom18:44
Daraelq_a_z_steve: Goscomb (goscomb.net) have always served me well and they do .it, if gandi doesn't.  Or if you want someone to compare.18:46
q_a_z_stevethanks Darael MartijnVdS18:48
=== ivanka is now known as ivanka-train
MartijnVdSivanka-train: you're your own train now? 8-)19:00
ali1234popey: when is "current_day.png" generated... whenever i look at it it is always up to date19:08
s-foxHello.19:19
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Weekly Q+A Sessions - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/02/weekly-qa-sessions/19:19
HazRPGhey :)19:22
HazRPG\o19:22
MartijnVdS\o HazRPG19:22
HazRPGMartijnVdS: o/19:22
HazRPGJust gotten back from Preston19:22
HazRPGanyone gone/is current @ the cloud expo today?19:23
MartijnVdSlots of people went19:23
MartijnVdSbut they all called it unpleasant family-unfriendly names19:23
HazRPGwho, the business men who went, or our #ubuntu-uk guys?19:24
MartijnVdSUbuntu peopel19:32
MartijnVdSpeople*19:32
* MartijnVdS listens to some more 80s records19:36
DJonespopey: I haven't tried "define" yet, going to give it a go later19:38
mgdmMartijnVdS: rickrolling yourself? :)19:39
MartijnVdSmgdm: no, though I could19:39
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I'm intrigued, why were they saying bad things about ubuntu? Surely its not that bad?19:39
HazRPGWhat happened exactly?19:40
MartijnVdSHazRPG: apparently, they were saying "cloud" a lot, and not much "Ubuntu" at all19:40
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Oh the actual conference people, or the ubuntu stall guys?19:40
MartijnVdSHazRPG: the people who went to the conference19:40
MartijnVdSsaid that about the conference19:41
HazRPGhuh, that sucks19:41
HazRPGhas anyone blogged about it, so I can read?19:41
MartijnVdSuhr19:41
MartijnVdScheck the planet :)19:41
MartijnVdSand/or today's backlog19:42
HazRPGdid anyone from omgubuntu go?19:42
mgdmSometimes I feel like my brain is hosted in the cloud19:43
mgdmtoday is one of those days19:43
MartijnVdSmgdm: cloud #9?19:43
mgdmmaybe #π19:44
HazRPG3.142 anyone?19:44
MartijnVdSmgdm: http://tauday.com/19:45
mgdminteresting19:46
MartijnVdSTime for some Talk Talk (It's My Life)19:48
OmNomSequiturMartijnVdS: time to hop back into your De Lorean.19:49
OmNomSequiturI'm pretty sure Shuttleworth drives cheetah to work.19:49
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: I prefer the TARDIS ;)19:49
MartijnVdSthough the delorean is a nice piece of work :)19:49
OmNomSequiturYou mean the Re-TARDIS.19:50
OmNomSequiturDr Who sucks.19:50
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: Some parts of it are nice (to look at at least)19:50
OmNomSequiturYou just fancy the doctor and/or the assistants.19:50
BaikonurI like how Steven Moffat writes19:51
OmNomSequiturWho?19:51
* OmNomSequitur np: 4Hero Feat. Carina Andersson - Les Fleur [from The Big Chill Classics [Disc 1]]19:51
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: the guy who also wrote Coupling19:54
OmNomSequiturOh.19:55
MartijnVdSand the new 1.5 hour-long Sherlock episodes19:55
OmNomSequiturCoupling was ok.19:55
OmNomSequiturTwo Pints was like, if Coupling was produced by monkeys.19:55
OmNomSequiturI can't think of a great live-action comedy from the 2000s.19:57
OmNomSequiturThe best stuff was satire or animated like Monkey Dust.19:57
MartijnVdSdoes qi count? :)19:58
OmNomSequiturThat's a comedy panel quiz.19:58
MartijnVdSit's live-action, and it's comedy19:58
OmNomSequiturSome QI episodes are hilarious.19:58
OmNomSequiturLike the one with Karl Benz.19:59
OmNomSequitur"I WILL ISSUE YOU WITH A LICENCE"19:59
OmNomSequiturI saw the one with the Galapagos turtles yesterday.19:59
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: that one is also amazing :)19:59
OmNomSequiturRemember that Rory guy?20:00
OmNomSequiturThe one from A Question of Sport.20:00
OmNomSequiturHe was an annoying twat.20:00
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: That Mitchell and Webb Look -- from the '00s and funny :)20:00
OmNomSequiturI never saw that.20:00
MartijnVdSOmNomSequitur: find it :)20:00
MartijnVdS+ watch it20:00
OmNomSequiturAh, what am I saying?20:00
OmNomSequiturI totally forgot about a ton of shows.20:00
OmNomSequiturhttp://www.comedy.co.uk/forums/thread/16250#P57219920:00
OmNomSequiturPeep Show is amazing.20:01
MartijnVdSpeep show is AWKWARD20:01
MartijnVdSit's pure, distilled AWKWARD20:01
OmNomSequiturExtras was also very good.20:01
OmNomSequiturSummer Heighs High was rofl-inducing.20:01
OmNomSequiturBut that was an Aussie production IIRC.20:01
MartijnVdSAussies can be funny. Proof: latest Top Gear ;)20:02
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MartijnVdS("I'm sorry dave, I can't let you have that nickname")20:03
MartijnVdS(</nickserv>)20:04
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HazRPGWin! "The Lost Army" - I got oriental crackers in my graze today :D20:12
HazRPG(just opened his box)20:12
HazRPGreally love this stuff :D20:13
* HazRPG should buy a whole bag of them from the Chinese shop in town20:13
popeygord: when will nvidia on natty work again?20:15
popeyali1234: current is generated every 10 mins20:16
pr0ph3thi all20:16
popeyhi20:16
HazRPG\o20:16
pr0ph3tsorry about before20:16
pr0ph3tunexpected domestic issues20:17
HazRPGpopey: Sorry about yesterday dude, shouldn't have made the assumptions that I did.20:17
popeyworries :D20:18
pr0ph3tdo you still have time to look at the lsmod output popey?20:18
popeypr0ph3t: sort out that asus-laptop module?20:18
popeypr0ph3t: sure, what happens if you run this:-20:18
pr0ph3twell I just logged back20:18
popeysudo modprobe asus-laptop20:18
popeylsmod20:19
pr0ph3tpopey, this happens : http://pastebin.com/epQ6MW6Q20:20
kazadehmm, my minecraft has decided to break :( - system stopped responding so I killed it, now it won't log in!20:21
NeotiHi People... i have set up some vlans on my network for testing, i can tell my phones to sit on the vlan, how do i tell my ubuntu pc to only use Vlan 2 as it currently uses vlan 1 etc ...20:21
popeykazade: check for java processes running20:22
* popey tickles MooDoo 20:22
gordpopey, people keep saying that nvidia doesn't work for them on natty, i updated on monday and it works fine for me20:23
HazRPGpopey: was the "worries :D" aimed towards pr0ph3t or both of us?20:23
popeygord: it tries to remove all of x here20:24
gordpopey, apart from that i have no idea, xorg updates always screw up the nvidia drivers20:24
popeyhehe HazRPG everyone20:24
HazRPG:)20:24
popeywas supposed to be "no worries" of course20:24
HazRPG;) of course20:24
pr0ph3tis it normal that says asus_laptop as opposed to asus-laptop?20:26
popeypr0ph3t: thats fine20:26
popeypr0ph3t: the module is loaded, nothing to worry about20:26
pr0ph3tbut is it the old module?20:26
pr0ph3tI need to remove that one and load the one I just made20:27
popeyahh20:27
popeythats different then20:27
popeysudo rmmod asus_laptop20:28
popeywill attempt to unload the module20:28
popeyhowever if you have compiled a new one and put it in the right place then it will get loaded20:28
popeywhat guide are you following?20:28
popeywhat is your goal by compiling this module?20:28
pr0ph3tpopey, http://dev.iksaif.net/projects/acpi4asus/wiki/Backport_module20:29
gordusing my sd card as a swap partition, this could be a great idea or a terrible idea =/20:29
pr0ph3tsd card stop working after a number of read/write correct?20:30
popeypr0ph3t: whats the goal here?20:30
pr0ph3tpopey, http://dev.iksaif.net/issues/10820:31
pr0ph3tgord, that's why you should never install a journaled filesystem on an sd card, same might apply for swap?20:34
pr0ph3tpopey, the anon it's me20:34
pr0ph3tpopey, Dan has the same hardware as me and seems to be able to make it work20:34
pr0ph3tbut I can't so Coriantin suggested I should try one of the backports20:34
pr0ph3tgord, don't take my word for it though, you should look it up20:34
pr0ph3tpopey, what do you reckon then? Maybe I got the wrong source file, maybe it is for a newer kernel?20:34
popey!ping20:36
lubotu3ping-pong, a fun game for all the family20:36
popeypr0ph3t: sorry, my connection went funny then20:37
DJonesDidn't that used to reply about the diodes down the left side...20:37
popey!ping20:37
lubotu3ping-pong, a fun game for all the family20:37
popey:(20:37
popeyboring20:37
popeyE: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/Release20:37
* popey blames jpds 20:37
DJonesI wonder does !random still work20:38
DJones!random Yes No20:38
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pr0ph3tis natty still alpha 1?20:40
OmNomSequiturIt is in my house.20:42
popeya2 this week20:42
pr0ph3tpopey, did you get the links I sent you?20:43
popeyyes20:43
popeywhat version of ubuntu you on?20:43
popey10.10?20:43
pr0ph3tpopey, yes 10.1020:44
pr0ph3tinsmod worked now20:45
bigcalm_Who broke minecraft.net ?20:50
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popeybigcalm: the whole internet is20:51
popeysomething is very wrong20:51
bigcalmpopey: shall we blame VM?20:51
popeyno20:52
bigcalmAww20:52
popeyi can see others not on vm with similar issues20:52
popey20:50:56 <@grifferz> interesting, my (tunnelled) IPv6 is about 200ms less latent than my native IPv4 at the moment20:52
MartijnVdSit's the government sniffers20:52
MartijnVdSthey don't do v6 yet20:52
tugrikah, is the Internet playing up?20:52
bigcalmHeh20:52
tugrikmy irc lag seemed a bit spiky, but apart from that hadn't noticed anything too weird...20:53
bigcalmpopey: have you poked VM about ipv6? Or aren't you bothered?20:53
popeynot bothered20:54
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/561604/20:54
jpdsMartijnVdS: No, they probably have for quite a while.20:55
popeyoi jpds !20:55
popeyfix my internets20:55
bigcalmThe friend who worked for VM and got us mates rates recently finished (made redundant). I wonder how long before they come after us for more money20:55
jpdspopey: https://www.linx.net/pubtools/trafficstats.html20:55
popey:)20:55
bigcalmA major drop off20:57
jpdsNought wrong with doing an Egypt.20:57
popey /12420:58
popeybah20:58
MartijnVdSjpds: that would make v6 just as slow ;)21:00
AzelphurIt's probably egypt coming back online actually21:01
Azelphurmaybe some teething problems surrounding that21:01
Azelphurthey are due back on today, so wouldn't be surprised21:01
jpdsAzelphur: That was ages ago.21:02
Azelphuroh :P21:02
pr0ph3tre all21:06
pr0ph3tI'm sad now, everything works and I don't know what to do21:08
jpdsRejoice?21:08
pr0ph3tI did21:08
* popey tickles kazade 21:09
popeywassup?21:09
kazadeI'm having MC issues :(21:10
kazadeon my desktop I can't get past the login screen (despite removing .minecraft)...21:10
kazadeand now on my laptop, I get a 503 connecting to your server!21:10
bigcalmkazade: I saw you login and straight out again21:10
popeyprobably because minecraft.net is unreachable21:10
popeyyes, the server tries to get to mc.net21:10
popeyto validate you21:10
kazadeah I see21:10
popeyif you're already connected you're okay21:11
kazade...21:11
kazadeso I've gotta go cold turkey?!21:11
kazadeI'm going to go arrange some cushions into a farm21:11
czajkowskievening21:22
DJoneshi czajkowski21:23
czajkowskihows folks?21:23
DJonesnot too bad, although i think most people are in the pub after the expo21:24
DJoneshoes things with you21:26
DJoness/hoes/hows21:26
czajkowskiah grand21:27
czajkowskimad busy day21:27
czajkowskiheard the expo wasnt great21:27
czajkowskinot a lot of stalls21:27
czajkowskiand mostly cloud21:27
czajkowskion the plus side had my review at work21:27
czajkowskithey seemingly like the work I am doing so am now al permanent21:28
DJonesI guess it went well21:28
DJonesDoes that mean you have to change nationality?21:28
czajkowskinope21:28
czajkowski;)21:28
DJonesHeh21:29
terranczajkowski and I are now pure-blooded British21:31
DJonesterran: Thats more than I claim to be and I was born here :)21:31
popey:)21:32
popeyCongratulations czajkowski !21:32
czajkowskipopey: thanks21:32
terranWe're getting a day off work for Prince William's wedding - there's no going back to being Irish after that21:32
czajkowskiit's been a long day :)21:32
czajkowskiterran: I know I find that soo odd :)21:33
czajkowskibut if you take 3 days leave you get off for 9 days or something21:33
terranyeah cos of Easter21:33
DJonesczajkowski: I assume davmor2 wasn't on the review committe then21:33
czajkowskioff he loves me really21:33
czajkowskideep deep down21:33
czajkowskiterran: aye21:34
DJonesAnd as he's not in the channel, you can speak your mind21:34
czajkowskimixed emotion today though hence my blog post21:34
czajkowskimiss my loco :(21:34
Moecatwhy use linux when i can pay £250 for windows 7, its shiny21:34
terranIt's more like £8021:35
terranand why not use both21:35
terranthey both have their purposes21:35
Moecatnot for the super shiny version21:35
* terran dual boots Win 7 and ubuntu21:36
terranI guess that scared him off21:36
* DJones smells a troll21:37
terranhe was hoping for some kind of vehement anti-MS response21:37
DJonesGuess so, I wonder how long it'll take for people to realise that the linux/open source community aren't Anti-MS, just happen to use a different system21:38
terrananother few years21:39
DJonesPeople should use whatever works for them21:39
czajkowskindeed21:39
czajkowskiindeed21:39
OmNomSequiturMinorities often shout the loudest.21:39
OmNomSequiturFar more Linux people are anti-MS than MS people are anti-Linux, both in absolute and percentage terms.21:40
OmNomSequiturSame goes for Mac vs PC.21:40
OmNomSequiturPC users couldn't care less most of the time. Mac fans see their hardware as part of a lifestyle choice.21:40
terranOSX is nice too21:41
popeygrrrrrrr21:41
popeygeneralisation fail again21:41
OmNomSequiturOf course it's nice.21:41
OmNomSequiturIt's a shame you can't do much useful with it.21:41
OmNomSequiturYou can't virtualise OSX on ESXi, for instance.21:41
DJonesOmNomSequitur: At the end of the day, whatever the hardware/OS, if it works for you, Its right for you21:41
OmNomSequiturNot unless you install ESXi on a Mac lol.21:41
OmNomSequiturDJones, we all accept that.21:42
OmNomSequiturIt's like a screwdriver kit.21:42
OmNomSequiturYou have the big philips head you use for most things.21:42
OmNomSequiturAnd the tiny torx and hex ones for special jobs.21:42
OmNomSequiturIt's the same with OSes, really.21:42
czajkowskiuds is back in orland in october again21:55
directhexreally? typical. i'm in orlando in may22:00
czajkowskiin May tis Budapest22:05
jpdsI looked at Hungranian vocabulary, not pretty.22:06
Baikonurhungarian words don't have anything to do with any other language22:07
Baikonurthe gramma is somewhat related to finnish22:08
Baikonur*grammar22:08
jpdsNot being Indo-European helps.22:08
OmNomSequiturYes, apparently Hungarian is almost unique in Europe.22:09
OmNomSequiturStephen Fry is part-Hungarian.22:09
Baikonurthe basque language the only language isolate that is still spoken in europe22:12
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pr0ph3tre all22:17
pr0ph3thow can I set the sound level at say 50% on startup, from GDM through to gnome startup, independently of how loud it was when I logged off/switched off22:18
pr0ph3ton Ubuntu 10.1022:19
hamitrono/23:05
popeyyo hamitron !23:12
* bigcalm has his head in the clouds :)23:14
hamitronhi :)23:14
hamitronI been too busy to get online :/23:14
hamitronis it all still in 1 piece?23:14
popeyof course :)23:15
popeywe now have two pyramids23:15
popeyyours and one upside down :)23:15
hamitron:-D23:15
hamitroninside or outside?23:15
popeyhttp://popey.com/minecraftmap/23:15
bigcalmpopey: map needs an update :P23:15
popeyit will do it in 5 mins23:15
popeyevery 10 it updates23:15
popeyiirc23:15
popeyoh, no23:16
popeyonce an hour at 15 mins past23:16
popeyso its running now :)23:16
bigcalm\o/23:16
bigcalmAnd the google map?23:16
gordhow is the sand not falling on the upside down one?23:17
bigcalmIt's sandstone23:17
popeygmap updates at 7am or when i trigger it23:17
popeydoing that now23:17
popeythen it has to rsync the changed blocks up to my server23:18
popeywhich can take a little while23:18
hamitronI may make a train station near the pyrimid23:19
popeythat would rock23:19
hamitronwith some underground entrance to it23:19
hamitronpyrimids don't have doors :/23:20
bigcalmOurs do ;)23:20
hamitronit won't!23:20
hamitrondamn it23:20
hamitronhas any lighting been installed?23:20
hamitronI can't find the upside down one either23:22
bigcalmAha, there's the tower23:23
czajkowskihttp://bit.ly/eYfLgn  interesting23:23
bigcalmpopey: the google map seems to be darker for some reason23:24
buzz__channel of addicts ;-)23:24
popeyit uses the lighting from the map23:24
bigcalmOk23:24
popeythe other one doesnt23:24
popeyi could render it night mode if you want it really dark :)23:24
bigcalmMight look nice, but not very useful sadly23:25
popeyits rsyncing up now23:25
popeysince you're a web designer, when you're not busy building pyramids, can you make me a static page that details the server info? when the maps get built etc23:27
popey@bigcalm :)23:27
bigcalmDeveloper, not designer :P23:27
popeythere is a difference? :)23:27
popey</ignorance>23:28
bigcalmGive me a spec and I'll make something23:28
hamitronboth play with pretty images?23:28
hamitron;/23:28
bigcalmA developer makes designs come to life23:28
bigcalmI can't make things look that pretty, but I can make them work23:28
hamitronso designer paints the pretty images, and you put them on the page?23:29
bigcalmTo an extent23:29
hamitronor the designer steals the art work ;)23:29
bigcalmHeh23:29
bigcalmpopey: I'd be happy to do a site. But you'll need to come up with a spec for what you want it to do23:30
hamitronanyone here getting TDU2?23:32
popeyok23:34
popeygmap has uploaded23:35
bigcalmThe inverted pyramid is still incomplete23:36
popeyzoom all the way in23:36
popeyit seems to cache quite a bit23:36
popeyshows complete here, had to CTRLF523:36
bigcalmAha23:36
bigcalmSleep time!23:38
popeyyes!23:38
popeyI just pulled a chicken out of the oven23:38
popeyI so want to eat it right now!23:38
bigcalmMmmmmmmm, bok bok23:39
bigcalmGood night peeps23:40
AlanBelldid someone say chicken?23:43
AlanBellevening all23:43
popeywhat ho23:43
bigcalmThat ho over there23:43
* bigcalm sleeps23:43
* AlanBell drinks water23:44
popeyhaha23:44
popeygood free beer?23:44
AlanBellyes, and the paid for ones were good too23:44
AlanBelland the one with the curry was nice23:45
danfishthe curry was nice as well :)23:47
danfishand now to bed23:50
AlanBellit was, goodnight danfish o/23:50
danfisho/23:51
andylockranyeah!!!!23:55
andylockranwe won23:55
andylockranBees 25, Rotherham 24,23:55
andylockranczajkowski: will you like that?1?!?!?23:55

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