[00:53] <directhex> we have vaapi support? i thought it was still theory
[01:03] <ilikecows> Can anyone help me setup a second monitor? :3 Albeit it's on Debian -_-
[01:08] <Azelphur> ilikecows: what graphics card?
[01:08] <ilikecows> Intel Series 4 chipset
[01:08] <ilikecows> It's a laptop with a VGA port
[01:08] <Azelphur> ah
[01:08] <Azelphur> nfi on debian
[01:09] <Azelphur> on Ubuntu you just press the button in the monitors gui
[01:09] <ilikecows> Well the thing is
[01:10] <ilikecows> In the Monitors GUI here, it see's both monitors. However, it appears as Unknown and only shows some of the resolutions the laptop screen supports
[01:10] <ilikecows> EG 1380x786 iirc
[01:10] <ilikecows> But I need 1280x1024. I achieved this ONCE by booting into Recovery mode and it recognized my monitor in the Monitors GUI as Acer Systems
[01:11] <ilikecows> It showed me the resolutions it really supports
[01:11] <Azelphur> do you have the clone display tickbox ticked
[01:11] <ilikecows> No
[01:11] <ilikecows> The dual screens works fine
[01:11] <ilikecows> I have an extended desktop
[01:11] <ilikecows> But
[01:11] <ilikecows> Maximum supported resolution is 1024x786
[01:12] <Azelphur> weird
[01:12] <ilikecows> The one higher, 1380x786, isn't supported
[01:12] <ilikecows> I don't even have an Xorg.conf file to edit
[01:12] <Azelphur> maybe it can be done with xrandr
[01:12] <Azelphur> but I dunno much about that
[01:13] <ilikecows> And Xorg -reconfigure gives me a skeleton file with nothing in it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does literally nothing
[01:13] <ilikecows> And xrandr just plain doesn't work =/
[01:13]  * Azelphur shrugs
[01:13] <Azelphur> I'm outta ideas
[01:13] <ilikecows> Thanks anyway :) Nice to know I'm not the only one somewhat stumped
[01:15] <ilikecows> Oh and one other question :p
[01:15] <ilikecows> sudo rmmod pcspkr removes that aweful system beep
[01:15] <ilikecows> But only for that session/until I reboot
[01:15] <ilikecows> How do I do it permanently?
[01:17] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[01:17] <ilikecows> XD Never mind. Thanks a lot anyway
[01:17] <directhex> ilikecows, type xrandr into a console, pastebin the output
[01:17] <Azelphur> I useless :D
[01:18] <ilikecows> @Azelphur, far from it
[01:18] <ilikecows> @directhex, http://pastebin.com/py5bURZ7
[06:16] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:18] <MartijnVdS> morning
[07:13] <screen-x> morning :)
[07:30] <czajkowski> dear gods why does morning come so quickly
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: quickly?
[07:32] <MartijnVdS> it took forever!
[07:32] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: not sleeping well?
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I tend to wake up an hour before the rest of the world
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> (i.e. 6am)
[07:35] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I was up about then this morning, not fun..
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: UK time or NL time? :)
[07:36] <screen-x> UK
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> so that's 7am for me, proving my point ;)
[07:36] <screen-x> :)
[07:36] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: at least you are cheery with it :)
[07:37] <czajkowski> think I'll get the 8:34 train
[07:37] <screen-x> czajkowski: sounds good, don't bother with the metro..
[07:38] <czajkowski> nope plug in ear phones
[07:38] <czajkowski> music and wake up
[07:38] <czajkowski> I also fancy BACON
[07:38] <screen-x> :)
[07:39] <screen-x>  /msg quotebot add "(2011-02-02 07:38:57) czajkowski: I also fancy BACON"
[07:43] <czajkowski> :)
[07:44] <czajkowski> if I stop at working the sandwich dude on platform 1 does a tasty bap
[07:44] <czajkowski> :D
[07:44] <czajkowski> the guy at platfrm 3/4 and 5 isn't half as nice
[07:44] <screen-x> czajkowski: local knowledge ftw :)
[07:45] <czajkowski> starving at woking leads to a lot of sampling !
[07:46] <screen-x> now if only there was some form of short message broadcast system that let you share your opinion of the local sandwich vendors..
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: hotpot!
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> google.com/hotpot
[07:49] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I was angling for twitter, but that looks better..
[07:49] <screen-x> though it can't use an apps account :(
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it can, but the "friends" bit doesn't work
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> I'm still waiting for youtube to start understanding apps accounts
[07:52] <screen-x> ahh, ok
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> ah youtube works
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> just have to enable it in the admin panel
[08:03] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: the google apps control panel?
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: yes the "manage my domain" pages
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: then "Organization & Users" tab, "Services"
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> and there it's at the bottom
[08:06] <screen-x> thanks :)
[08:06] <screen-x> what's youtube cms>
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: No idea, I guess it's something for "pro" youtube uploaders
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> to change their channel's looks
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> ah
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> YouTube Content Manager is the interface to YouTube Content ID System - our suite of copyright management tools that helps content owners identify and manage their content on YouTube.
[08:06] <screen-x> ahh, don't need that then
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you don't want youtube to remove videos with your singing in it? :)
[08:11] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: thankfully there aren't any of those (to the best of my knowledge..)
[08:16] <screen-x> how can I test in a bash script whether a file has been modified in the last x days?
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: with one of the "-something" options.. lemme check
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> wait.. that's only easy in Perl..
[08:17] <screen-x> find is a possibility, but would be better to use one of the [ or [[ options.
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: find can do it
[08:17] <screen-x> haha snap
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> with [ you'd need to touch a file and use [ $file -ot $touched_file ]
[08:18] <screen-x> but then I'd have to have touched the file in the past..
[08:18] <Mez> Ok, I'm fairly sure that there shouldn't be enough voltage going across a DVI connector (from the monitor) to 1) cause sparks when plugging it in and 2) to give me an electric shock.
[08:18] <Mez> Or am I wrong?
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Mez: low voltage _differential_ :)
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Mez: could be 1500/1501V ;)
[08:19] <Mez> MartijnVdS: ?
[08:19] <screen-x> Mez: I saw sparks the other day when trying to mash a usb plug into a displayport socket..
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> Mez: it might mean your PC isn't grounded properly
[08:20] <Mez> MartijnVdS: it was from the monitor...
[08:20]  * MartijnVdS has a laptop that's "fizzy" to the touch from electricity
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> (but only if it's plugged into the wall)
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> good thing it's a Pentium 2 ;)
[08:22]  * Mez is a little worried about this
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> Mez: get a voltmeter, measure measure measure :)
[08:31] <Mez> the monitor's been playing up for a couple of weeks now (wont turn on in the morning - or after the screensavers gone on, or randomly) - so I'm just going to get a replacement.
[08:41] <screen-x> Mez: sounds sensible
[08:46]  * Mez watches the Gadget show on the IP Camera
[09:04] <DJones> Morning all
[09:07] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:08] <DJones> Morning MooDoo
[09:19]  * Neoti|work lol @ mez.... stalker !!! lol..... 
[09:24] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:24] <SuperMatt> good ning
[09:24] <Mez> Neoti|work: why am I a stalker?
[09:25] <Neoti|work> watching gadget show on there ip cam .... lol
[09:25] <Mez> What - they're downstairs in our warehouse!
[09:26] <Mez> Where they're standing, I could go videobomb them from the canteen.
[09:28] <Mez> oooh... I just noticed - all 4 of them are here.
[09:29] <daubers> Morning
[09:30]  * czajkowski hugs ubuntu-uk
[09:31] <DaveMorris> for those near Sussex - http://email.ietinfo.org/c/11PsTg1vxwodQdjTGk
[09:31] <DaveMorris>  The danger of software patents - Richard Stallman
[09:33] <daubers> czajkowski: What did we do now?
[09:33] <tugrik> any idea if you can run a "normal" Ubuntu desktop, with minimal functionality, without python or perl installed?
[09:33] <tugrik> ( morning btw )
[09:33] <czajkowski> daubers: I got bacon.. It made me very happy. I felt the need to share.
[09:34] <daubers> czajkowski: I see..
[09:34] <MooDoo> czajkowski: you're worrying me, you've not abused me or davmor2 in a few days now....what's going on?
[09:34]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo 
[09:35]  * MooDoo gives up and enjoys it while it lasts....hugs czajkowski 
[09:36] <daubers> Off to the show tomorrow \o/
[09:37] <screen-x> :(
[09:37] <daubers> screen-x: ?
[09:38] <screen-x> daubers: proxy seems to be wobbling recently
[09:38] <daubers> Oh, ok
[09:38] <daubers> poxy proxies]
[09:38] <screen-x> ;-)
[09:39] <kazade> anyone at the expo in Barbican?
[09:40] <popey> not I
[09:41] <bigcalm> popey: I've deleted minecraft from my workstation. I found it to be incompatable with productivity
[09:41] <czajkowski> daubers: me too
[09:41] <kazade> AlanBell?
[09:42] <czajkowski> aye he's there
[09:44] <screen-x> bigcalm: it sounded like you were being very productive in minecraft
[09:44] <bigcalm> screen-x: I was :) But that doesn't keep clients happy
[09:46] <popey> hahah bigcalm
[09:46] <bigcalm> It's still on my laptop though
[09:48] <czajkowski> no davmor2
[09:48] <dwatkins> I know I'll get addicted to Minecraft if I start playing, it's bad enough having Sim City 2000 on my personal Macbook as a time-sink.
[09:48] <czajkowski> very upsetting
[09:54] <JamesTait> Happy Wednesday folks!
[10:03] <screen-x> weird, mouse wheel has stopped working
[10:04] <bigcalm> Out of cheese error?
[10:04] <DJones> Just replace it with a hampster wheel
[10:04] <Darael> bigcalm: Or possibly "+++MELON MELON MELON+++"
[10:04] <bigcalm> :)
[10:05] <bigcalm> I'm glad people know the reference :)
[10:05] <screen-x> imwheel -c doesn't register an event when the wheel moves :(
[10:05]  * screen-x replugs
[10:05] <bigcalm> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[10:05] <screen-x> still the same :(
[10:09] <gord> weirdly, ffmpeg doesn't seem to come with a vorbis encoder. can't work my brain around that one
[10:27] <imexil> Hi I was wondering if the directory locations like ~/.local/bin are standardised somewhere? Couldn't really find something useful on freedesktop.org
[10:29] <popey> ~/.local/bin doesn't sound very standardised
[10:29] <popey> imexil: what is in yours?
[10:30] <imexil> popey, I noticed that ~/.local/lib is used and recognised by python. So putting the bins under .local/bin sounded logically and I would prefer that over ~/bin
[10:31] <popey> none of my machine have a .local/lib
[10:31] <imexil> strange
[10:31] <popey> so i guess you've built a python program locally without root?
[10:31] <imexil> but ~/.local?
[10:31] <imexil> yes
[10:32] <popey> i have ~/.local/share, but no lib
[10:32] <AlanBell> hi all
[10:32] <imexil> actually I build 'be' (bugsanywhere) and that one installed in ~/bin and ~/lib which did not work
[10:32]  * AlanBell is at the open source expo
[10:32] <jpds> ~/.local/share/Trash/ maybe?
[10:32] <AlanBell> with kazade
[10:32] <imexil> so I moved it to ~/.local/lib where python automatically recognised the modules
[10:32] <screen-x> AlanBell: what's going on AlanBell?
[10:33] <AlanBell> I will sort some pictures in a bit
[10:33] <imexil> popey: Ha just found it: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/
[10:34] <imexil> So looks really like a python own 'standard'
[10:34] <imexil> *looks like
[10:34] <popey> lovely
[10:34] <popey> hello AlanBell
[10:35] <popey> AlanBell: make sure kazade doesn't slack off playing minecraft!
[10:35] <popey> (or do, and have that as a demo!
[10:35] <AlanBell> popey: first thing he did was ask me to pull up the map
[10:35] <popey> lol
[10:36]  * popey rsyncs the latest map up 
[10:37] <screen-x> Just switched off old workstation, didn't realise how noisy it was till now!
[10:42] <bigcalm> A client wants me to put a link to their youtube channel into their website. Is there a location for aproved logos for linking to youtube?
[10:43] <screen-x> bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/t/press_room_image_files
[10:43] <bigcalm> screen-x: cheers :)
[10:43] <bigcalm> No idea why I couldn't find that
[10:43] <bigcalm> I such at teh internets
[10:43] <bigcalm> Damn x-chat kept auto correcting t e h
[10:44] <popey> :)
[10:44] <screen-x> 2011-02-02 10:43:35) bigcalm: I such at teh internets
[10:44] <bigcalm> And I suck
[10:44] <bigcalm> Bah
[10:44] <gord> geez, auto-ducking 2 hours of audio on audacity takes like 10 minutes on my computer, audio editing must be hell for people living in like 2001
[10:45] <bigcalm> I'm tempted to just sit at the bottom of the stairs and wait for my graze box to arrive
[10:45] <popey> heh
[10:46] <bigcalm> Client's requirement: "add You Tube logo to match"
[10:46] <bigcalm> To match the existing images he's created
[10:47] <popey> AlanBell: hows it going?
[10:47] <bigcalm> I'm not a graphics person *sigh*
[10:47] <AlanBell> good, met a few interesting people already
[10:47] <AlanBell> and I got the CDs from Millbank
[10:47] <screen-x> bigcalm: I'd use the official ones, don't want to get busted by google..
[10:48] <bigcalm> screen-x: there isn't a square one
[10:48] <bigcalm> A YT in a square block would be fitting
[10:48] <screen-x> but unrecognisable
[10:48] <bigcalm> GIS to the rescue: http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=yt+square+logo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1347&bih=834
[10:49] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraftmap/ updated :)
[10:50] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:50] <bigcalm> I completed a whole side, but it's one that you can't see
[10:50] <screen-x> popey wow, last time I looked it was just a 10mb jpg
[10:50] <gord> be nice if signposts were enabled by default on that map
[10:55] <popey> hmm, wonder how you do that
[10:58] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[10:59] <DJones> AlanBell: Have you just seen the email on the mailing list about the expo?
[10:59] <DJones> "At the expo formerly known as Linux, can't find anyone, no-one's heard of ubuntu or .org. I don't have anyone's mobile number and no one seems to have Skype online. Giving up and going home. " That was from Paula (pmgazz)
[11:01] <pr0ph3t> I have a Nokia N97 phone, I was able to use it as a modem with the usb cable connected, but now for some reason when I connect it in PC Suite mode ubuntu automounts the phone's drives, tries to lock the camera and won't let me connect to internet. Any ideas why? Could something have changed in the DBus configuration perhaps?
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can select (on the phone) what kind of device it should be
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: at least, my last Nokia would ask
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: Mass storage, etc.
[11:02] <pr0ph3t> I select PC Suite
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: what are the other options
[11:02] <popey> that doesnt sound like the optimal selection
[11:02] <pr0ph3t> Mass Storage Media Transfer
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: PC Suite is Nokia-speak for "act like a serial port"
[11:03] <pr0ph3t> popey, that's what let me connect before and that's what I've read in the forums
[11:03] <pr0ph3t> because in that mode shouldn't mount the drives
[11:04] <pr0ph3t> or try to lock the camera
[11:05] <pr0ph3t> but ubuntu does all that before I even select PC Suite Mode
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: somewhere in the phone's settings there's an option for the default mode
[11:05] <MartijnVdS> that might have become set to mass storage
[11:06] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I have it on "ask on connection"
[11:07] <pr0ph3t> the problem is that it doesn't matter what I put, because before I can select anything it tries to mount and lock the camera anyways
[11:07] <popey> hmmm
[11:08] <pr0ph3t> that's why I was thinking maybe it has something to do with DBus?
[11:08] <jpds> AlanBell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-February/028610.html
[11:08] <pr0ph3t> org.freedesktop.DBus
[11:08] <davmor2> morning all
[11:09] <AlanBell> anyone know about evolution being fixed for Exchange access?
[11:09] <AlanBell> exchange 2003 that is
[11:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: no idea sorry I don't have exchange
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> I hope it will be
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> because at work it's broken
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> also, exchange 2007
[11:10] <MartijnVdS> (it's been flaky forever though)
[11:10] <AlanBell> jpds: thanks, bother
[11:15] <popey> pr0ph3t: when did it stop working?
[11:15] <BigRedS> Quick non-ubuntu question - how is "irssi" pronounced?
[11:15] <popey> eye ar ess ess eye
[11:15] <popey> or
[11:15] <popey> ersee
[11:15] <popey> or
[11:15] <popey> "Who cares?" :)
[11:18] <pr0ph3t> popey, I only used it once, and then I tried to use it again last night but ot wasn't working. The connection is all ready, the modem is recognised, the sim card is registered, but it doesn't connect, the apn is right as well
[11:18] <popey> when did you last use it? was it under a different release of ubuntu?
[11:18] <BigRedS> :) I'm just introducing it to someone and they asked. I get told off for my mispronounciation o f'debian' tho thought it best to check
[11:19] <Laney> i usually say it like 'irc' :(
[11:19] <popey> if someone tells you off for mispronouncing stuff then ask them how they pronounce "Nokia" and "Nike"
[11:19] <popey> and then proceed to tell them they pronounced it incorrectly, _however_ they pronounce it
[11:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:20] <popey> http://www.observer.com/2011/tech/flickr-accidentally-deletes-users-4000-photos-and-cant-get-them-back
[11:20] <czajkowski> I have people tell me I say my name wrong :s
[11:20] <popey> \o/ cloud computing
[11:20] <pr0ph3t> popey, I last used it a few days ago under the same distro
[11:20] <andylockran> howdy
[11:21] <andylockran> not happy.. expenses paid £300 less than expected. says I filled the form in wrong.  Good job I kept a copy of what I filled in as file I uploaded modified..
[11:25] <dwatkins> ouch, andylockran :(
[11:30] <MooDoo> popey: ouch, a lot of photos....
[11:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: that cause this is how you spell czajkowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky
[11:31] <davmor2> morning czajkowski
[11:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: nice to see the abuse back in action :)
[11:32]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[11:33]  * davmor2 is confused as to why when searching apps for idle tomboy appears
[11:41] <MooDoo> .fasinfo misaakidis
[11:41] <MooDoo> oops :D
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Stalker! Stalker!
[11:42] <MooDoo> lol
[11:45]  * czajkowski hugs MooDoo and davmor2 
[11:45] <czajkowski> how are my two favourites doing
[11:45] <bigcalm> Why does our joint account have so much money in it? I fear some direct debits are late
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: they decided you needed the money more this month ;)
[11:46] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: how thoughtful :)
[11:46] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: because they want you to spend it and then double debit you next month
[11:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: when you were poorly did you slip and hit your head at all ;)  I'm busy and tired you?
[11:46] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm fine thanks, and you are so feeling poorly, you've not insulted me once in a few days...:)
[11:47] <DJones> bigcalm: Maybe your wife has had a pay rise
[11:47] <bigcalm> DJones: tricky ;)
[11:47]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski just for the hell of it and he's feeling brave :)
[11:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: Her's going for that reverse psychology malarkey, being nice to drive us up the wall :D
[11:48] <bigcalm> If my girlfriend had a payrise, I doubt that she'd just throw it at the joint account ;)
[11:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's working.....
[11:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: sort her out will you....) it's not natural :)
[11:48] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:48] <bigcalm> Woop, almost exercise time :)
[11:49] <bigcalm> Hi
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[11:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: Not till after tomorrow I think you'll find :)
[11:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: what's happening till tomorrow?
[11:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: We're both at canonical :D
[11:52] <MooDoo> davmor2: mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hope you're taking protective equipment....
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: are you going for a particular reason?
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: I work for them :D and a new piece of work went public yesterday so it's overview time and part of my team are sprinting there too
[11:54] <MooDoo> davmor2: well that explains it then :D
[11:54] <MooDoo> davmor2: need a tea boy?
[11:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh and of course czajkowski will be there
[11:55] <popey> Oi! That's my job!
[11:55] <DJones> popey: But you need an assistant tea boy for when you're Minecrafting
[11:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: picture or i won't believe it ;)
[11:56] <davmor2> popey achieves teaboy status in minecraft
[11:57] <MooDoo> went on the server last night, but my connection was being crap
[11:57] <popey> :(
[11:57] <czajkowski> davmor2: :D
[11:57] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you could join us
[11:57] <czajkowski> the 3 of us go for Tea
[11:57]  * popey re-runs the "Who spends too much time in minecraft" report
[11:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: don't beat him too much :)
[11:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: when you doing the "lets take ubuntu uk irc'ers on a tour of canonical towers?"
[11:59] <gord> its not that exciting there ;) its an office
[11:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: No plan to do that but to be honest it's just an office
[11:59] <MooDoo> gord: i know it's the mystique of it as well ;)
[11:59] <popey> its quite dull, other than the view
[11:59] <screen-x> of all the macs?
[11:59] <gord> gord towers is much more exciting
[11:59] <gord> has a cat
[11:59] <davmor2> popey: true the view is pretty impressive
[12:00] <gord> and a gord
[12:00] <MooDoo> pah ruin my dreams ;)
[12:00] <davmor2> gord: they've got loads of cat ...........5 cable
[12:00] <gord> *crickets*
[12:00] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: I've tlod you before you need to animate that to make it funny
[12:03] <brobostigon> morning again, everyone.
[12:03] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[12:03] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good morning.
[12:04] <popey> we should have another quiz night
[12:04] <screen-x> popey: irl?
[12:04] <popey> online
[12:05] <MooDoo> sounds good
[12:05] <screen-x> more likely to be able to make an online one :)
[12:05] <brobostigon> interesting,
[12:05] <DJones> That sounds a great idea
[12:05] <popey> we did a few some time ago
[12:05] <brobostigon> yes. i remember.
[12:06] <Myrtti> meh, waiting
[12:11] <Twinkletoes> Part of my init script looks like this (10 lines): http://paste.ubuntu.com/561369/  .  When the process is started, everything works as expected, but if the process is not running, and ps -u returns no output, no other lines are echoed to the screen.  Any ideas?
[12:13] <pr0ph3t> re all
[12:13] <pr0ph3t> I managed to connect with bluetooth as well now
[12:13] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, you said you had nokias before, do you use android now if I may ask?
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: yes
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Nexus One *stroke*
[12:15] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, do you find it more compatible in some ways than an S60 phone with Ubuntu?
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I've tried USB and wifi tethering, both work fine
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: USB data storage works with banshee, rhythmbox, f-spot, shotwell
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> so it's at least as compatible :)
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> I sync it with my Google account, so no issues there either (I use google's web interfaces on my desktop, not Evolution/other crashy software)
[12:17] <pr0ph3t> I sync on oviweb as well
[12:19] <pr0ph3t> ok so really there is a very good support for S60 in ubuntu, I can also use it as a remote for media applications and as a ssh client
[12:19] <pr0ph3t> which you can do with android as well
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> so there is really no need to swap to android from S60 as far as compatibility goes
[12:22] <pr0ph3t> fantastic
[12:32] <screen-x> any recommendations for reasonable cheap 24" monitor? Only for office/browsing/xterm usage.
[12:33] <X3N> just got an LG Flatron W2442PE, it's OK
[12:33] <X3N> nothing special
[12:34]  * MartijnVdS waves at X3N in hd
[12:34] <X3N> o/
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I've found Dell screens to be very good
[12:34] <screen-x> Thanks X3N.
[12:35] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I'll check them out.
[12:41] <Oli``> Their UltraSharps are disgustingly good in my limited experience
[12:42] <Oli``> But similarly expensive
[12:42] <screen-x> Oli``: yeah, out of range
[12:43] <Oli``> If you can find any, I can recommend Samsung SyncMaster 245Bs
[12:43] <screen-x> ooh, I have a 245BW at home..
[12:44] <Oli``> Mine are a couple of years old now so they've probably replaced the model
[12:45] <Oli``> Don't know the difference between the B and BW... Looking at a review, the bezel just looks a bit shinier
[12:47] <screen-x> this looks pretty similar, and cheaper: http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-2443bw-24--widescreen-1920-x-1200-5ms-dvi-d-vga-height-adjustable-lcd-monitor-6CY8.html
[12:48] <Oli``> They haven't dropped much in price
[12:48] <Oli``> Oh I see, different model
[12:50] <Oli``> Now you've got me thinking about monitors. This will only end expensively.
[12:52] <screen-x> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173836?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products
[12:52] <Oli``> I'm also on ebuyer... http://www.ebuyer.com/product/195484
[12:53] <Oli``> It's a good thing I can't afford two of those.
[12:53] <screen-x> heh this is for work, no chance of that sort of thing!
[12:54] <screen-x> Though, having used a 27" screen, you don't want 2 of them,  you'd have to move your head too much.
[12:54] <Oli``> Not sure I could fit two 27" screens on the desk without it collapsing anyway
[12:54] <Oli``> Hah, that's probably true too
[12:54] <screen-x> Maybe if they were both standard aspect, that would be good :)
[12:55] <popey> define standard aspect ;)
[12:55] <screen-x> popey: !wide
[12:56] <popey> thats not an aspect ratio I recognise
[12:56] <Oli``> 4:3... ish
[12:56] <popey> try 16:9, 16:10, 4:3...
[12:56] <screen-x> "fairly square"
[13:06] <Twinkletoes> If you type 'ps -u <some_user>' && echo "XXXX" ', if ps returns some results in addition to it's column headers, then you'll see XXXX underneath.  If ps only returns column headers because it can't find any process with that user, then XXXX is NOT displayed.  why is this?
[13:09] <popey> Twinkletoes: run ps -u someuser, and then run echo $?
[13:09] <popey> you will see if ps runs okay you get a return code 0
[13:09] <popey> if it doesn't find any processes you get a return code 1
[13:09] <popey> the && is only doing the echo if rc=0
[13:10] <Twinkletoes> popey: In my init script I have the two commands on 2 separate lines, and the echo doesn't work.
[13:10] <popey> i dont understand "doesnt work"
[13:11] <popey> I was just explaining why echo "XXXX" doesn't happen
[13:11] <popey> its because ps -u <fu> returns no results
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> popey: I was trying to simplify the problem - which I thin kyou've solved for me, so I was trying to give you my original issue
[13:11] <popey> :)
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/561369/
[13:11] <Twinkletoes> If ps -u jira returns nothing, then nothing else after that line is executed in the script
[13:12] <popey> ahh
[13:12] <popey> inside a case
[13:12] <popey> it's seen as one line I guess
[13:12] <Twinkletoes> Yes
[13:12] <popey> stick it in a function
[13:12] <popey> status)
[13:12] <popey> check_status
[13:13] <popey> then have a check_status function which does all that stuff
[13:13] <Twinkletoes> popey: Ah, ok - is it something to do with the way case statements work... one line?
[13:13] <popey> yeah
[13:14] <Twinkletoes> popey: Let me try that - thank you
[13:14] <popey> np
[13:15] <screen-x> !abs
[13:16] <Twinkletoes> screen-x: looks good... available as a pdf?
[13:17] <screen-x> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf
[13:18] <Twinkletoes> Oh my word - that was too obvious, I'm soooo embarrassed
[13:18] <AlanBell> danfish has arrived \o/
[13:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Being a locoteam - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/02/02/being-a-locoteam/
[13:19] <popey> AlanBell: yay
[13:23] <Myrtti> b
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: c.
[13:26] <Twinkletoes> popey: Crap - I've fouind the problem....
[13:26] <Twinkletoes> popey: the script was using /bin/sh with -e
[13:27] <Twinkletoes> popey: Who on earth would ever put that in a script!
[13:27] <popey> hah
[13:31] <popey> I find ALT+Tab on Ubuntu to be incredibly slow, much slower than on lower spec Windows / OSX machines.
[13:32] <popey> On windows/osx it's _instant_
[13:32] <popey> On Ubuntu its ALT+TAB.. wait... there it is!
[13:40] <dutchie> i can't see any delay here
[13:40] <dutchie> but then i don't have oxs/windows to compare it with
[13:40] <dutchie> osx
[13:40] <popey> will video it when i get home
[13:42] <AlanBell> just updated natty but I don't get the draggable window borders
[13:43] <AlanBell> shadows I mean
[13:43] <stgraber> popey: alt-tab on natty is really slow, especially with > 20 windows. Surprisingly the expose-effect (win+w) is extremely fast
[13:43] <popey> thanks stgraber
[13:44] <stgraber> so for now, I'm using alt-tab only for windows that are minimized and use win+w for everything else
[13:50] <gord> alt tab is slow, wonder if compiz is making mipmaps
[13:50] <gord> popey, stgraber you might want to try using a different plugin for alt-tab, compiz comes with a few
[13:51] <davmor2> popey: it's pretty quick here you sure it's not an issue with you gfx, I'm on intel here
[13:52] <X3N> pretty slow for me, I'm on intel too, 17+ apps but I'm using metacity's compositor
[13:52] <popey> gord: I'd like to use whatever we're shipping
[13:53] <popey> I dont want to switch to something else and miss a bug
[13:53] <popey> which is also why I haven't switched off global menu, despite getting very frustrated with it
[13:58] <ali1234> frustrated?
[13:58] <X3N> it's like annoyed but with more desperation
[13:59] <X3N> but that's not important right nowe
[13:59] <X3N> -e
[14:02] <popey> HEHE
[14:02] <popey> -caps
[14:02] <tugrik> X3N: :)
[14:14] <lazarus_> where would i start if i wanted to make my own spin off of ubuntu ?
[14:14] <DJones> !remaster
[14:15] <DJones> Have a look at those links, might give you a starting point
[14:16] <screen-x> lazarus_: what do you want to change?
[14:17] <gord> there are cases where global menu annoys me and cases where i really like it, don't honestly know what to think of it yet
[14:17] <gord> even though i'v been using it for about a year
[14:17] <lazarus_> screen-x: default programmes themes login sounds add better manuals flash and so on
[14:17] <lazarus_> its going to be mostly for personal use
[14:18] <screen-x> lazarus_: Those can all be achieved with packages
[14:18] <screen-x> lazarus_: so my suggestion would be a few packages, and a metagpackage that depends on them all, in  a ppa
[14:19] <lazarus_> screen-x: im trying to have these preinstalled so it's efeectivly a ghost image
[14:20] <screen-x> lazarus_: ah ok.
[14:20] <lazarus_> excuse my bad spelling
[14:20]  * njpatel breaking nux again
[14:20] <njpatel> and this is the wrong channel
[14:22] <DJones> njpatel: No, this is the right channel, it must be, we're all here
[14:23] <njpatel> I dunno, you guys could all be a figment of my imagination. I could be Neo inside a shitty matrix ;)
[14:24] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[14:24] <DJones> Depends, did you eat the Blue mushrrom, the red mushroom or the fluorescent multi-coloured one?
[14:24]  * brobostigon gives up on trying to solve a "diabolical" difficulty sudoku.
[14:24] <njpatel> i apologise :)
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: have google goggles do it :)
[14:25] <bigcalm> brobostigon: scan it with googlegoggles ;)
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> ^5 bigcalm
[14:25] <brobostigon> cheating, MartijnVdS and bigcalm.
[14:25] <njpatel> The purple mushroom with orange stripes
[14:25] <bigcalm> Very much so
[14:25] <bigcalm> But if you give up...
[14:25] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i might try again later.
[14:25] <DJones> njpatel: That explains it
[14:34] <brobostigon> i resorted to google goggles,
[14:35] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:35] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i got frustrated.
[14:36] <popey> didnt know google goggles could do sudoku
[14:37] <brobostigon> first time i tried it, it worked well, quite quickly awell.
[14:38] <brobostigon> i wonder if i can deal with one of those big ones, with 5 connected together.
[14:38] <brobostigon> if it*
[14:40] <brobostigon> nope, ohwell.
[14:42] <screen-x> Best thing about monaural telephone headset: can have earphone in the other ear. Worst thing: bitshifter in one ear and hold music in the other is really odd.
[14:43] <Mez> screen-x: that'd just confuse me.
[14:43] <bigcalm> Skype reduces all other audio channels when in a call. Great, except that it doesn't then restore previous values afterwards
[14:43] <bigcalm> (windows)
[14:43] <Mez> screen-x: I also hate monaural telephone headsets.... espescially with what I have to use them for.
[14:44] <ali1234> the skype UI is horrible bloatware on all platforms
[14:44] <popey> +1
[14:45] <ali1234> however, the telepathy integration done by collabra is absolutely incredible
[14:45] <ali1234> *collabora
[14:45] <kazade> afternoon all
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> \o kazade
[14:45] <popey> hullo kazade
[14:45] <kazade> Just got back from the expo :)
[14:45] <kazade> there wasn't much actual open source going on...
[14:46] <kazade> lots of "cloud" though
[14:46] <popey> what a surprise
[14:46] <kazade> I went to a couple of talks on OSS, but there was nothing in the afternoon, so I went to the pub instead
[14:46] <kazade> last I saw of AlanBell he was drowning in people eager to try Ubuntu ;)
[14:47] <kazade> now, down to business..
[14:47] <kazade> finishing my Minecraft tower ;)
[14:47] <popey> :D
[14:47] <kazade> I did play it at the expo for a bit
[14:47] <popey> haha
[14:48] <kazade> but laptop touchpads aren't built for it
[14:49] <ali1234> if he made it into a mobile app somehow he'd be an instant billionaire
[14:49] <popey> someone made a rip off version
[14:49] <popey> and then removed it from the store
[15:00] <directhex> port minecraft to c#, offer versions for iphone/android/wp7/wii/ps3/linux/mac/windows/silverlight. easy!
[15:01] <popey> port minecraft to python...
[15:01] <popey> wait...
[15:01] <popey> wait...
[15:01] <popey> etc
[15:02] <gord> the android guys got in touch with the minecraft guys at once point (over twitter, its all java and such), don't think anything came of it though
[15:02] <bigcalm> I don't see how the interface would work
[15:05] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/minecraftapp
[15:05] <popey> there are screenshots about
[15:06] <kazade> what. the.
[15:06] <kazade> there are creepers on the top of my tower!
[15:06] <MooDoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9K8ZQTOMY
[15:06] <kazade> they just blew me up and the view point :/
[15:06] <popey> haha
[15:06] <popey> you need more lights up there
[15:07] <popey> i went up there last night and it was very dark in the tower staircase
[15:07] <popey> wonder if stone is more resiliant to explosions
[15:07] <popey> if you chuck cobble into a furnace you get stone
[15:07] <popey> looks nicer too
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> "looks nicer" is relative :P
[15:08] <popey> heh ofc
[15:10] <kazade> well, the platform is (was) made out of wood..
[15:10] <kazade> I'd nearly finished it too :/
[15:13] <gord> if you need something creeper proof, you gotta go obsidian, takes foreeeever to mine though
[15:28] <popey> yeah, need lots of diamond for that
[15:39] <kazade> ah, only just discovered charcoal!
[15:39] <kazade> that makes life easier!
[15:39] <directhex> BURN WOOD
[15:39] <kazade> yeah, I know that now :)
[15:39] <kazade> I've been searching high and lo for coal!
[15:42] <screen-x> someone needs to write a minecraft <--> irc gateway
[15:43] <popey> charcoal?
[15:43] <popey> screen-x: there is one
[15:43] <screen-x> heh
[15:43] <dutchie> popey: smelt wood and you get charcoal, which is like coal in every way except you can't stack the two in the same inventory slot
[15:44] <popey> thanks!
[15:44] <popey> wood as in trees or planks?
[15:44] <dutchie> trees iirc
[15:44] <danfish> greeting from the expo - we're still here :)
[15:44] <dutchie> yes, straight from trees
[15:44] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish :)
[15:45] <danfish> lo
[15:45] <popey> danfish: is anyone else?
[15:45] <popey> danfish: also, photos!
[15:46] <danfish> popey: the Alans, bruno girin, and barry drake
[15:47] <danfish> i'm sure piccies will follow
[15:48] <danfish> just planning pub - the Shakespeare http://ubunt.eu/je
[15:52] <davmor2> who's at the show?  I hope they have minecraft installed :D
[15:52] <AlanBell> o/
[15:52] <AlanBell> not installed it yet
[15:54] <davmor2> AlanBell: Sensible man you wouldn't get people away from the stand :D
[15:56] <danfish> oops - the Shakespeare http://ubunt.eu/jf
[15:58] <TOSDroid> Hi from the expo.
[16:00] <davmor2> AlanBell: how's it going at the expo?
[16:03] <AlanBell> going quite well
[16:04]  * screen-x converts an article about wound healing in mules to docbook xml
[16:06]  * dwatkins visits ubuntu.com and for a moment wonders what happened to his language settings
[16:08] <popey> heh, nice
[16:09] <jpds> dwatkins: Nothing, your traffic's going through China.
[16:09]  * dwatkins grins
[16:10] <dwatkins> I translated the message on the download screen just in case it had changed, it had not
[16:17] <andylockran> howdy
[16:19] <screen-x> hi andylockran
[16:19] <andylockran> how's things?
[16:20] <screen-x> I'm lookint at htop, I have no swap configured, yet the virtual memory use and resident memory use are not the same, why not?
[16:20] <screen-x> so X is using 200M of Virtual memory, and has 80M resident, where is the other 120M if there's no swap?
[16:21] <directhex> hiding
[16:21] <directhex> under the sofa
[16:22] <screen-x> free -mt --show-sofa
[16:22] <screen-x> nah, not there
[16:23] <screen-x> am I misunderstanding Virtual Memor
[16:23] <screen-x> +y?
[16:26] <MonsterKiller> is there a way i can get a certain part of a package? i could do with the lighttpd init script for server 10.10
[16:27] <screen-x> MonsterKiller: you extract the contents of the package in a temp dir, then copy the file you want.
[16:27] <screen-x> MonsterKiller: ar x  If I remember correctly.
[16:28] <directhex> dpkg -x
[16:32] <screen-x> Apparently Virt includes all program code/libraries that are linked to the executable, some parts are not resident because they have been needed yet.  Therefore Virtual  > Resident although swap=0
[16:40] <popey> MonsterKiller: apt-get source lighttpd
[16:40] <popey> will unpack it for you :)
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: only if you have dpkg-dev installed
[16:43] <popey> pretty sure I have done apt-get source foo on a plain system
[16:45] <gord> apt-get source works on plain systems yeah
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> it didn't "back in the day"
[16:45] <popey> i just did it on my server with no dpkg-dev
[16:46] <popey> gmb: http://twitter.com/#!/Documentally/status/32841166135230464 saw that and thought of you
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> maybe it grew up
[16:49] <exobuzz> some dists lack the deb-src lines which are needed to grab the source of course.
[16:49] <exobuzz> easy enough to add
[16:50] <gmb> popey: Thank you kindly. Not a date that I can do, but the thought is appreciated.
[16:50] <exobuzz> dpkg-dev is needed for building from source with say dpkg-buildpackage. only apt-get needed to grab the source (with the deb-src lines)
[16:50] <kazade> popey, I'm getting there with the tower :) http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/current_day.png
[16:51] <kazade> although, spiders keep spawning on the roof and killing me :/
[17:00] <popey> kazade: you need a bow and arrow :)
[17:00] <popey> *arrows
[17:02] <kazade> :)
[17:02] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraftmap/
[17:02] <popey> updated
[17:03] <popey> I need to schedule that to rsync up
[17:04] <kazade> I wanna put a fire up at the top of that tower (inside)..
[17:05] <kazade> but I'm terrified it'll burn the floor
[17:05] <kazade> that floor has taken me HOURS and countless falling off :p
[17:06] <popey> :)
[17:12] <AlanBell> new pub location!!
[17:12] <AlanBell> pub #3
[17:12] <popey> hah
[17:13] <AlanBell> The Trader pub on Whitecross street
[17:13] <popey> kazade: seen the skywalk the linux outlaws guys have on their server?
[17:13] <popey> http://alain.sixgun.org/map/
[17:14] <terran> Pub?
[17:14] <kazade> wow that's pretty impressive :)
[17:15] <kazade> popey, someone just needs to duplicate my tower somewhere else and we can join them up ;)
[17:15] <popey> kazade: will do :)
[17:15] <popey> how about the land to the north with all the trees
[17:15] <gord> anyone got a rotated display in natty want to confirm a bug for me?
[17:16] <kazade> popey, perfect, try and make it line up though ;)
[17:16] <popey> or half way between yours and the pyramid
[17:16] <popey> (upturned)
[17:16] <kazade> actually that's probably better
[17:16] <kazade> as it will actually seem to go somewhere ;)
[17:17] <popey> :)
[17:17] <popey> hey, every direction goes somewhere
[17:17] <kazade> the tower is 5x5, and I've learnt from experience ... build a ladder as you do it
[17:17] <popey> heh
[17:17] <kazade> mine has a ladder up the back now after I got sick (almost literally) of going round and round those stairs ;)
[17:18] <bigcalm> Damn it, just played mc on mc.net
[17:18] <kazade> I'll start building a path from mine in that direction
[17:18] <bigcalm> I have no control any more
[17:18] <popey> lol
[17:18] <bigcalm> Used up the sandstone in the chests. Only 1 side left to finish
[17:19] <kazade> popey, what should the walkway floor be made of?
[17:19] <kazade> we could make it grass ;)
[17:19] <bigcalm> Cloud
[17:19] <brobostigon> is it possible, with the multiplayer minecraft classic, to connect to servers that arent in that list, http://www.minecraft.net/servers.jsp  , just curious.
[17:19] <popey> the free version, no
[17:19] <brobostigon> ok, thanks popey
[17:19] <bigcalm> Buy the game, it's cheap :)
[17:20] <popey> brobostigon: do you have a machine it will run on?
[17:20] <brobostigon> popey: what kind of specs do i need ?
[17:21] <popey> dunno, I have only used a machine that's quite pokey
[17:21] <bigcalm> pokey popey
[17:21] <popey> hokey popey
[17:21] <screen-x> left leg in.. right leg out..
[17:21] <bigcalm> That was in my mind as well
[17:21] <bigcalm> :)
[17:22] <brobostigon> will 1GB of ram, an 1ghz athlon, and a resonablyrecent nvidia work?
[17:22] <popey> how much ram does your machine have brobostigon ?
[17:22] <bigcalm> Humm
[17:22] <bigcalm> Java is hungry
[17:22] <popey> you can tweak java a bit
[17:22] <brobostigon> yes
[17:23] <brobostigon> ok, thats good.
[17:23] <DJones> brobostigon: I tried on a 2.8Ghz, 1.5Gb machine with Intel Extreme graphics last night & the free version didn't work for me
[17:23] <popey> DJones: define didnt work?
[17:23] <popey> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=29145
[17:23] <popey> that thread says what the specs are
[17:24] <brobostigon> :(
[17:25] <brobostigon> nowhere near.
[17:25] <popey> :(
[17:25] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[17:27] <gord> adding "Extreme" to "Intel Graphics" makes me think that its prolly a rather underpowered gpu that they added a buzzword to
[17:30] <davmor2> gord: wait till they hear the word "Vengeance" if they add that to the end it  becomes a kick ass gfx card right?
[17:35] <gord> davmor2, no, adding an X only, or just putting more numbers in makes graphics cards better
[17:39] <popey> wow bigcalm, nearly finished
[17:41] <bigcalm> Not sure what to do with it
[17:46] <popey> make a hole in the bottom, and fill buckets with water and have them cascade down the inside :)
[17:46] <popey> and out the bottom
[17:48] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[17:49] <pr0ph3t> I get the error insmod: error inserting 'asus-laptop.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module. How do I find out more precisely of what it's talking about
[17:50] <pr0ph3t> is "-1" the unknown symbol?
[17:51] <pr0ph3t> I have the source code so I would be able to modify it. Also is it possible that this happens because I need a newer kernel or gcc or something?
[17:52] <popey> how are you inserting it?
[17:53] <popey> and what happens if you type "modinfo asus-laptop"
[17:53] <popey> (can you pastebin the output)
[17:54] <popey> bigcalm / ali1234 / kazade, I have automated it so when gmaps and static maps generate they upload to popey.com so should be faster to load. links at http://popeydc.dyndns.org/
[17:54] <bigcalm> Ta
[17:54] <bigcalm> Hasn't been updated recently then :)
[17:55] <popey> yeah, checking :)
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> popey, http://pastebin.com/m8WnaQ9y
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> syntax error in the source code?
[17:58] <popey> 17:52:36 < popey> how are you inserting it?
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> popey, using insmod, so I guess?
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> not sure whAT YOU MEAN
[17:59] <pr0ph3t> sorry caps
[17:59] <popey> can you paste the output of  the following commands:-
[17:59] <popey> lsmod
[17:59] <popey> modprobe asus_laptop
[17:59] <popey> sorry, sudo modprobe asus_laptop
[18:00] <pr0ph3t> popey, with underscore?
[18:00] <popey> yeah
[18:00] <pr0ph3t> ok
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> popey, lsmod http://pastebin.com/GCc6eR8n
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> no output for sudo modprobe asus_laptop
[18:02] <popey> ok, lsmod again
[18:02] <popey> and pastebin
[18:05] <popey> sorry pr0ph3t I'm off home
[18:06]  * brobostigon starts cooking a beef curry,
[18:07] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:43] <q_a_z_steve> Anyone here know of a reputable registrar for .it TLD?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> maybe gandi.net does .it?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> I like gandi
[18:44] <brobostigon> curry ready, ,nomnomnom
[18:46] <Darael> q_a_z_steve: Goscomb (goscomb.net) have always served me well and they do .it, if gandi doesn't.  Or if you want someone to compare.
[18:48] <q_a_z_steve> thanks Darael MartijnVdS
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> ivanka-train: you're your own train now? 8-)
[19:08] <ali1234> popey: when is "current_day.png" generated... whenever i look at it it is always up to date
[19:19] <s-fox> Hello.
[19:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Weekly Q+A Sessions - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/02/weekly-qa-sessions/
[19:22] <HazRPG> hey :)
[19:22] <HazRPG> \o
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> \o HazRPG
[19:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: o/
[19:22] <HazRPG> Just gotten back from Preston
[19:23] <HazRPG> anyone gone/is current @ the cloud expo today?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> lots of people went
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> but they all called it unpleasant family-unfriendly names
[19:24] <HazRPG> who, the business men who went, or our #ubuntu-uk guys?
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntu peopel
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> people*
[19:36]  * MartijnVdS listens to some more 80s records
[19:38] <DJones> popey: I haven't tried "define" yet, going to give it a go later
[19:39] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: rickrolling yourself? :)
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: no, though I could
[19:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm intrigued, why were they saying bad things about ubuntu? Surely its not that bad?
[19:40] <HazRPG> What happened exactly?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: apparently, they were saying "cloud" a lot, and not much "Ubuntu" at all
[19:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Oh the actual conference people, or the ubuntu stall guys?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the people who went to the conference
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> said that about the conference
[19:41] <HazRPG> huh, that sucks
[19:41] <HazRPG> has anyone blogged about it, so I can read?
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> check the planet :)
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> and/or today's backlog
[19:42] <HazRPG> did anyone from omgubuntu go?
[19:43] <mgdm> Sometimes I feel like my brain is hosted in the cloud
[19:43] <mgdm> today is one of those days
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: cloud #9?
[19:44] <mgdm> maybe #π
[19:44] <HazRPG> 3.142 anyone?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: http://tauday.com/
[19:46] <mgdm> interesting
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> Time for some Talk Talk (It's My Life)
[19:49] <OmNomSequitur> MartijnVdS: time to hop back into your De Lorean.
[19:49] <OmNomSequitur> I'm pretty sure Shuttleworth drives cheetah to work.
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: I prefer the TARDIS ;)
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> though the delorean is a nice piece of work :)
[19:50] <OmNomSequitur> You mean the Re-TARDIS.
[19:50] <OmNomSequitur> Dr Who sucks.
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: Some parts of it are nice (to look at at least)
[19:50] <OmNomSequitur> You just fancy the doctor and/or the assistants.
[19:51] <Baikonur> I like how Steven Moffat writes
[19:51] <OmNomSequitur> Who?
[19:51]  * OmNomSequitur np: 4Hero Feat. Carina Andersson - Les Fleur [from The Big Chill Classics [Disc 1]]
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: the guy who also wrote Coupling
[19:55] <OmNomSequitur> Oh.
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> and the new 1.5 hour-long Sherlock episodes
[19:55] <OmNomSequitur> Coupling was ok.
[19:55] <OmNomSequitur> Two Pints was like, if Coupling was produced by monkeys.
[19:57] <OmNomSequitur> I can't think of a great live-action comedy from the 2000s.
[19:57] <OmNomSequitur> The best stuff was satire or animated like Monkey Dust.
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> does qi count? :)
[19:58] <OmNomSequitur> That's a comedy panel quiz.
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> it's live-action, and it's comedy
[19:58] <OmNomSequitur> Some QI episodes are hilarious.
[19:59] <OmNomSequitur> Like the one with Karl Benz.
[19:59] <OmNomSequitur> "I WILL ISSUE YOU WITH A LICENCE"
[19:59] <OmNomSequitur> I saw the one with the Galapagos turtles yesterday.
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: that one is also amazing :)
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> Remember that Rory guy?
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> The one from A Question of Sport.
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> He was an annoying twat.
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: That Mitchell and Webb Look -- from the '00s and funny :)
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> I never saw that.
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> OmNomSequitur: find it :)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> + watch it
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> Ah, what am I saying?
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> I totally forgot about a ton of shows.
[20:00] <OmNomSequitur> http://www.comedy.co.uk/forums/thread/16250#P572199
[20:01] <OmNomSequitur> Peep Show is amazing.
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> peep show is AWKWARD
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> it's pure, distilled AWKWARD
[20:01] <OmNomSequitur> Extras was also very good.
[20:01] <OmNomSequitur> Summer Heighs High was rofl-inducing.
[20:01] <OmNomSequitur> But that was an Aussie production IIRC.
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> Aussies can be funny. Proof: latest Top Gear ;)
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> ("I'm sorry dave, I can't let you have that nickname")
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> (</nickserv>)
[20:12] <HazRPG> Win! "The Lost Army" - I got oriental crackers in my graze today :D
[20:12] <HazRPG> (just opened his box)
[20:13] <HazRPG> really love this stuff :D
[20:13]  * HazRPG should buy a whole bag of them from the Chinese shop in town
[20:15] <popey> gord: when will nvidia on natty work again?
[20:16] <popey> ali1234: current is generated every 10 mins
[20:16] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:16] <popey> hi
[20:16] <HazRPG> \o
[20:16] <pr0ph3t> sorry about before
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> unexpected domestic issues
[20:17] <HazRPG> popey: Sorry about yesterday dude, shouldn't have made the assumptions that I did.
[20:18] <popey> worries :D
[20:18] <pr0ph3t> do you still have time to look at the lsmod output popey?
[20:18] <popey> pr0ph3t: sort out that asus-laptop module?
[20:18] <popey> pr0ph3t: sure, what happens if you run this:-
[20:18] <pr0ph3t> well I just logged back
[20:18] <popey> sudo modprobe asus-laptop
[20:19] <popey> lsmod
[20:20] <pr0ph3t> popey, this happens : http://pastebin.com/epQ6MW6Q
[20:21] <kazade> hmm, my minecraft has decided to break :( - system stopped responding so I killed it, now it won't log in!
[20:21] <Neoti> Hi People... i have set up some vlans on my network for testing, i can tell my phones to sit on the vlan, how do i tell my ubuntu pc to only use Vlan 2 as it currently uses vlan 1 etc ...
[20:22] <popey> kazade: check for java processes running
[20:22]  * popey tickles MooDoo 
[20:23] <gord> popey, people keep saying that nvidia doesn't work for them on natty, i updated on monday and it works fine for me
[20:23] <HazRPG> popey: was the "worries :D" aimed towards pr0ph3t or both of us?
[20:24] <popey> gord: it tries to remove all of x here
[20:24] <gord> popey, apart from that i have no idea, xorg updates always screw up the nvidia drivers
[20:24] <popey> hehe HazRPG everyone
[20:24] <HazRPG> :)
[20:24] <popey> was supposed to be "no worries" of course
[20:24] <HazRPG> ;) of course
[20:26] <pr0ph3t> is it normal that says asus_laptop as opposed to asus-laptop?
[20:26] <popey> pr0ph3t: thats fine
[20:26] <popey> pr0ph3t: the module is loaded, nothing to worry about
[20:26] <pr0ph3t> but is it the old module?
[20:27] <pr0ph3t> I need to remove that one and load the one I just made
[20:27] <popey> ahh
[20:27] <popey> thats different then
[20:28] <popey> sudo rmmod asus_laptop
[20:28] <popey> will attempt to unload the module
[20:28] <popey> however if you have compiled a new one and put it in the right place then it will get loaded
[20:28] <popey> what guide are you following?
[20:28] <popey> what is your goal by compiling this module?
[20:29] <pr0ph3t> popey, http://dev.iksaif.net/projects/acpi4asus/wiki/Backport_module
[20:29] <gord> using my sd card as a swap partition, this could be a great idea or a terrible idea =/
[20:30] <pr0ph3t> sd card stop working after a number of read/write correct?
[20:30] <popey> pr0ph3t: whats the goal here?
[20:31] <pr0ph3t> popey, http://dev.iksaif.net/issues/108
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> gord, that's why you should never install a journaled filesystem on an sd card, same might apply for swap?
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> popey, the anon it's me
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> popey, Dan has the same hardware as me and seems to be able to make it work
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> but I can't so Coriantin suggested I should try one of the backports
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> gord, don't take my word for it though, you should look it up
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> popey, what do you reckon then? Maybe I got the wrong source file, maybe it is for a newer kernel?
[20:36] <popey> !ping
[20:37] <popey> pr0ph3t: sorry, my connection went funny then
[20:37] <DJones> Didn't that used to reply about the diodes down the left side...
[20:37] <popey> !ping
[20:37] <popey> :(
[20:37] <popey> boring
[20:37] <popey> E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/Release
[20:37]  * popey blames jpds 
[20:38] <DJones> I wonder does !random still work
[20:38] <DJones> !random Yes No
[20:40] <pr0ph3t> is natty still alpha 1?
[20:42] <OmNomSequitur> It is in my house.
[20:42] <popey> a2 this week
[20:43] <pr0ph3t> popey, did you get the links I sent you?
[20:43] <popey> yes
[20:43] <popey> what version of ubuntu you on?
[20:43] <popey> 10.10?
[20:44] <pr0ph3t> popey, yes 10.10
[20:45] <pr0ph3t> insmod worked now
[20:50] <bigcalm_> Who broke minecraft.net ?
[20:51] <popey> bigcalm: the whole internet is
[20:51] <popey> something is very wrong
[20:51] <bigcalm> popey: shall we blame VM?
[20:52] <popey> no
[20:52] <bigcalm> Aww
[20:52] <popey> i can see others not on vm with similar issues
[20:52] <popey> 20:50:56 <@grifferz> interesting, my (tunnelled) IPv6 is about 200ms less latent than my native IPv4 at the moment
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> it's the government sniffers
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> they don't do v6 yet
[20:52] <tugrik> ah, is the Internet playing up?
[20:52] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:53] <tugrik> my irc lag seemed a bit spiky, but apart from that hadn't noticed anything too weird...
[20:53] <bigcalm> popey: have you poked VM about ipv6? Or aren't you bothered?
[20:54] <popey> not bothered
[20:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561604/
[20:55] <jpds> MartijnVdS: No, they probably have for quite a while.
[20:55] <popey> oi jpds !
[20:55] <popey> fix my internets
[20:55] <bigcalm> The friend who worked for VM and got us mates rates recently finished (made redundant). I wonder how long before they come after us for more money
[20:55] <jpds> popey: https://www.linx.net/pubtools/trafficstats.html
[20:55] <popey> :)
[20:57] <bigcalm> A major drop off
[20:57] <jpds> Nought wrong with doing an Egypt.
[20:58] <popey>  /124
[20:58] <popey> bah
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> jpds: that would make v6 just as slow ;)
[21:01] <Azelphur> It's probably egypt coming back online actually
[21:01] <Azelphur> maybe some teething problems surrounding that
[21:01] <Azelphur> they are due back on today, so wouldn't be surprised
[21:02] <jpds> Azelphur: That was ages ago.
[21:02] <Azelphur> oh :P
[21:06] <pr0ph3t> re all
[21:08] <pr0ph3t> I'm sad now, everything works and I don't know what to do
[21:08] <jpds> Rejoice?
[21:08] <pr0ph3t> I did
[21:09]  * popey tickles kazade 
[21:09] <popey> wassup?
[21:10] <kazade> I'm having MC issues :(
[21:10] <kazade> on my desktop I can't get past the login screen (despite removing .minecraft)...
[21:10] <kazade> and now on my laptop, I get a 503 connecting to your server!
[21:10] <bigcalm> kazade: I saw you login and straight out again
[21:10] <popey> probably because minecraft.net is unreachable
[21:10] <popey> yes, the server tries to get to mc.net
[21:10] <popey> to validate you
[21:10] <kazade> ah I see
[21:11] <popey> if you're already connected you're okay
[21:11] <kazade> ...
[21:11] <kazade> so I've gotta go cold turkey?!
[21:11] <kazade> I'm going to go arrange some cushions into a farm
[21:22] <czajkowski> evening
[21:23] <DJones> hi czajkowski
[21:23] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[21:24] <DJones> not too bad, although i think most people are in the pub after the expo
[21:26] <DJones> hoes things with you
[21:26] <DJones> s/hoes/hows
[21:27] <czajkowski> ah grand
[21:27] <czajkowski> mad busy day
[21:27] <czajkowski> heard the expo wasnt great
[21:27] <czajkowski> not a lot of stalls
[21:27] <czajkowski> and mostly cloud
[21:27] <czajkowski> on the plus side had my review at work
[21:28] <czajkowski> they seemingly like the work I am doing so am now al permanent
[21:28] <DJones> I guess it went well
[21:28] <DJones> Does that mean you have to change nationality?
[21:28] <czajkowski> nope
[21:28] <czajkowski> ;)
[21:29] <DJones> Heh
[21:31] <terran> czajkowski and I are now pure-blooded British
[21:31] <DJones> terran: Thats more than I claim to be and I was born here :)
[21:32] <popey> :)
[21:32] <popey> Congratulations czajkowski !
[21:32] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[21:32] <terran> We're getting a day off work for Prince William's wedding - there's no going back to being Irish after that
[21:32] <czajkowski> it's been a long day :)
[21:33] <czajkowski> terran: I know I find that soo odd :)
[21:33] <czajkowski> but if you take 3 days leave you get off for 9 days or something
[21:33] <terran> yeah cos of Easter
[21:33] <DJones> czajkowski: I assume davmor2 wasn't on the review committe then
[21:33] <czajkowski> off he loves me really
[21:33] <czajkowski> deep deep down
[21:34] <czajkowski> terran: aye
[21:34] <DJones> And as he's not in the channel, you can speak your mind
[21:34] <czajkowski> mixed emotion today though hence my blog post
[21:34] <czajkowski> miss my loco :(
[21:34] <Moecat> why use linux when i can pay £250 for windows 7, its shiny
[21:35] <terran> It's more like £80
[21:35] <terran> and why not use both
[21:35] <terran> they both have their purposes
[21:35] <Moecat> not for the super shiny version
[21:36]  * terran dual boots Win 7 and ubuntu
[21:36] <terran> I guess that scared him off
[21:37]  * DJones smells a troll
[21:37] <terran> he was hoping for some kind of vehement anti-MS response
[21:38] <DJones> Guess so, I wonder how long it'll take for people to realise that the linux/open source community aren't Anti-MS, just happen to use a different system
[21:39] <terran> another few years
[21:39] <DJones> People should use whatever works for them
[21:39] <czajkowski> ndeed
[21:39] <czajkowski> indeed
[21:39] <OmNomSequitur> Minorities often shout the loudest.
[21:40] <OmNomSequitur> Far more Linux people are anti-MS than MS people are anti-Linux, both in absolute and percentage terms.
[21:40] <OmNomSequitur> Same goes for Mac vs PC.
[21:40] <OmNomSequitur> PC users couldn't care less most of the time. Mac fans see their hardware as part of a lifestyle choice.
[21:41] <terran> OSX is nice too
[21:41] <popey> grrrrrrr
[21:41] <popey> generalisation fail again
[21:41] <OmNomSequitur> Of course it's nice.
[21:41] <OmNomSequitur> It's a shame you can't do much useful with it.
[21:41] <OmNomSequitur> You can't virtualise OSX on ESXi, for instance.
[21:41] <DJones> OmNomSequitur: At the end of the day, whatever the hardware/OS, if it works for you, Its right for you
[21:41] <OmNomSequitur> Not unless you install ESXi on a Mac lol.
[21:42] <OmNomSequitur> DJones, we all accept that.
[21:42] <OmNomSequitur> It's like a screwdriver kit.
[21:42] <OmNomSequitur> You have the big philips head you use for most things.
[21:42] <OmNomSequitur> And the tiny torx and hex ones for special jobs.
[21:42] <OmNomSequitur> It's the same with OSes, really.
[21:55] <czajkowski> uds is back in orland in october again
[22:00] <directhex> really? typical. i'm in orlando in may
[22:05] <czajkowski> in May tis Budapest
[22:06] <jpds> I looked at Hungranian vocabulary, not pretty.
[22:07] <Baikonur> hungarian words don't have anything to do with any other language
[22:08] <Baikonur> the gramma is somewhat related to finnish
[22:08] <Baikonur> *grammar
[22:08] <jpds> Not being Indo-European helps.
[22:09] <OmNomSequitur> Yes, apparently Hungarian is almost unique in Europe.
[22:09] <OmNomSequitur> Stephen Fry is part-Hungarian.
[22:12] <Baikonur> the basque language the only language isolate that is still spoken in europe
[22:17] <pr0ph3t> re all
[22:18] <pr0ph3t> how can I set the sound level at say 50% on startup, from GDM through to gnome startup, independently of how loud it was when I logged off/switched off
[22:19] <pr0ph3t> on Ubuntu 10.10
[23:05] <hamitron> o/
[23:12] <popey> yo hamitron !
[23:14]  * bigcalm has his head in the clouds :)
[23:14] <hamitron> hi :)
[23:14] <hamitron> I been too busy to get online :/
[23:14] <hamitron> is it all still in 1 piece?
[23:15] <popey> of course :)
[23:15] <popey> we now have two pyramids
[23:15] <popey> yours and one upside down :)
[23:15] <hamitron> :-D
[23:15] <hamitron> inside or outside?
[23:15] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraftmap/
[23:15] <bigcalm> popey: map needs an update :P
[23:15] <popey> it will do it in 5 mins
[23:15] <popey> every 10 it updates
[23:15] <popey> iirc
[23:16] <popey> oh, no
[23:16] <popey> once an hour at 15 mins past
[23:16] <popey> so its running now :)
[23:16] <bigcalm> \o/
[23:16] <bigcalm> And the google map?
[23:17] <gord> how is the sand not falling on the upside down one?
[23:17] <bigcalm> It's sandstone
[23:17] <popey> gmap updates at 7am or when i trigger it
[23:17] <popey> doing that now
[23:18] <popey> then it has to rsync the changed blocks up to my server
[23:18] <popey> which can take a little while
[23:19] <hamitron> I may make a train station near the pyrimid
[23:19] <popey> that would rock
[23:19] <hamitron> with some underground entrance to it
[23:20] <hamitron> pyrimids don't have doors :/
[23:20] <bigcalm> Ours do ;)
[23:20] <hamitron> it won't!
[23:20] <hamitron> damn it
[23:20] <hamitron> has any lighting been installed?
[23:22] <hamitron> I can't find the upside down one either
[23:23] <bigcalm> Aha, there's the tower
[23:23] <czajkowski> http://bit.ly/eYfLgn  interesting
[23:24] <bigcalm> popey: the google map seems to be darker for some reason
[23:24] <buzz__> channel of addicts ;-)
[23:24] <popey> it uses the lighting from the map
[23:24] <bigcalm> Ok
[23:24] <popey> the other one doesnt
[23:24] <popey> i could render it night mode if you want it really dark :)
[23:25] <bigcalm> Might look nice, but not very useful sadly
[23:25] <popey> its rsyncing up now
[23:27] <popey> since you're a web designer, when you're not busy building pyramids, can you make me a static page that details the server info? when the maps get built etc
[23:27] <popey> @bigcalm :)
[23:27] <bigcalm> Developer, not designer :P
[23:27] <popey> there is a difference? :)
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[23:28] <bigcalm> Give me a spec and I'll make something
[23:28] <hamitron> both play with pretty images?
[23:28] <hamitron> ;/
[23:28] <bigcalm> A developer makes designs come to life
[23:28] <bigcalm> I can't make things look that pretty, but I can make them work
[23:29] <hamitron> so designer paints the pretty images, and you put them on the page?
[23:29] <bigcalm> To an extent
[23:29] <hamitron> or the designer steals the art work ;)
[23:29] <bigcalm> Heh
[23:30] <bigcalm> popey: I'd be happy to do a site. But you'll need to come up with a spec for what you want it to do
[23:32] <hamitron> anyone here getting TDU2?
[23:34] <popey> ok
[23:35] <popey> gmap has uploaded
[23:36] <bigcalm> The inverted pyramid is still incomplete
[23:36] <popey> zoom all the way in
[23:36] <popey> it seems to cache quite a bit
[23:36] <popey> shows complete here, had to CTRLF5
[23:36] <bigcalm> Aha
[23:38] <bigcalm> Sleep time!
[23:38] <popey> yes!
[23:38] <popey> I just pulled a chicken out of the oven
[23:38] <popey> I so want to eat it right now!
[23:39] <bigcalm> Mmmmmmmm, bok bok
[23:40] <bigcalm> Good night peeps
[23:43] <AlanBell> did someone say chicken?
[23:43] <AlanBell> evening all
[23:43] <popey> what ho
[23:43] <bigcalm> That ho over there
[23:43]  * bigcalm sleeps
[23:44]  * AlanBell drinks water
[23:44] <popey> haha
[23:44] <popey> good free beer?
[23:44] <AlanBell> yes, and the paid for ones were good too
[23:45] <AlanBell> and the one with the curry was nice
[23:47] <danfish> the curry was nice as well :)
[23:50] <danfish> and now to bed
[23:50] <AlanBell> it was, goodnight danfish o/
[23:51] <danfish> o/
[23:55] <andylockran> yeah!!!!
[23:55] <andylockran> we won
[23:55] <andylockran> Bees 25, Rotherham 24,
[23:55] <andylockran> czajkowski: will you like that?1?!?!?