[00:53] we have vaapi support? i thought it was still theory [01:03] Can anyone help me setup a second monitor? :3 Albeit it's on Debian -_- [01:08] ilikecows: what graphics card? [01:08] Intel Series 4 chipset [01:08] It's a laptop with a VGA port [01:08] ah [01:08] nfi on debian [01:09] on Ubuntu you just press the button in the monitors gui [01:09] Well the thing is [01:10] In the Monitors GUI here, it see's both monitors. However, it appears as Unknown and only shows some of the resolutions the laptop screen supports [01:10] EG 1380x786 iirc [01:10] But I need 1280x1024. I achieved this ONCE by booting into Recovery mode and it recognized my monitor in the Monitors GUI as Acer Systems [01:11] It showed me the resolutions it really supports [01:11] do you have the clone display tickbox ticked [01:11] No [01:11] The dual screens works fine [01:11] I have an extended desktop [01:11] But [01:11] Maximum supported resolution is 1024x786 [01:12] weird [01:12] The one higher, 1380x786, isn't supported [01:12] I don't even have an Xorg.conf file to edit [01:12] maybe it can be done with xrandr [01:12] but I dunno much about that [01:13] And Xorg -reconfigure gives me a skeleton file with nothing in it, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does literally nothing [01:13] And xrandr just plain doesn't work =/ [01:13] * Azelphur shrugs [01:13] I'm outta ideas [01:13] Thanks anyway :) Nice to know I'm not the only one somewhat stumped [01:15] Oh and one other question :p [01:15] sudo rmmod pcspkr removes that aweful system beep [01:15] But only for that session/until I reboot [01:15] How do I do it permanently? [01:17] *shrug* [01:17] XD Never mind. Thanks a lot anyway [01:17] ilikecows, type xrandr into a console, pastebin the output [01:17] I useless :D [01:18] @Azelphur, far from it [01:18] @directhex, http://pastebin.com/py5bURZ7 [06:16] morning all [06:18] morning === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [07:13] morning :) [07:30] dear gods why does morning come so quickly [07:32] czajkowski: quickly? [07:32] it took forever! [07:32] MartijnVdS: not sleeping well? [07:35] screen-x: I tend to wake up an hour before the rest of the world [07:35] (i.e. 6am) [07:35] MartijnVdS: I was up about then this morning, not fun.. [07:36] screen-x: UK time or NL time? :) [07:36] UK [07:36] so that's 7am for me, proving my point ;) [07:36] :) [07:36] MartijnVdS: at least you are cheery with it :) === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:37] think I'll get the 8:34 train [07:37] czajkowski: sounds good, don't bother with the metro.. [07:38] nope plug in ear phones [07:38] music and wake up [07:38] I also fancy BACON [07:38] :) [07:39] /msg quotebot add "(2011-02-02 07:38:57) czajkowski: I also fancy BACON" [07:43] :) [07:44] if I stop at working the sandwich dude on platform 1 does a tasty bap [07:44] :D [07:44] the guy at platfrm 3/4 and 5 isn't half as nice [07:44] czajkowski: local knowledge ftw :) [07:45] starving at woking leads to a lot of sampling ! [07:46] now if only there was some form of short message broadcast system that let you share your opinion of the local sandwich vendors.. [07:46] screen-x: hotpot! [07:47] google.com/hotpot [07:49] MartijnVdS: I was angling for twitter, but that looks better.. [07:49] though it can't use an apps account :( [07:51] screen-x: it can, but the "friends" bit doesn't work [07:51] I'm still waiting for youtube to start understanding apps accounts [07:52] ahh, ok [08:01] ah youtube works [08:01] just have to enable it in the admin panel [08:03] MartijnVdS: the google apps control panel? [08:04] screen-x: yes the "manage my domain" pages [08:04] screen-x: then "Organization & Users" tab, "Services" [08:04] and there it's at the bottom [08:06] thanks :) [08:06] what's youtube cms> [08:06] screen-x: No idea, I guess it's something for "pro" youtube uploaders [08:06] to change their channel's looks [08:06] ah [08:06] YouTube Content Manager is the interface to YouTube Content ID System - our suite of copyright management tools that helps content owners identify and manage their content on YouTube. [08:06] ahh, don't need that then [08:07] screen-x: you don't want youtube to remove videos with your singing in it? :) [08:11] MartijnVdS: thankfully there aren't any of those (to the best of my knowledge..) [08:16] how can I test in a bash script whether a file has been modified in the last x days? [08:17] screen-x: with one of the "-something" options.. lemme check [08:17] wait.. that's only easy in Perl.. [08:17] find is a possibility, but would be better to use one of the [ or [[ options. [08:17] screen-x: find can do it [08:17] haha snap [08:18] with [ you'd need to touch a file and use [ $file -ot $touched_file ] [08:18] but then I'd have to have touched the file in the past.. [08:18] Ok, I'm fairly sure that there shouldn't be enough voltage going across a DVI connector (from the monitor) to 1) cause sparks when plugging it in and 2) to give me an electric shock. [08:18] Or am I wrong? [08:19] Mez: low voltage _differential_ :) [08:19] Mez: could be 1500/1501V ;) [08:19] MartijnVdS: ? [08:19] Mez: I saw sparks the other day when trying to mash a usb plug into a displayport socket.. [08:20] Mez: it might mean your PC isn't grounded properly [08:20] MartijnVdS: it was from the monitor... [08:20] * MartijnVdS has a laptop that's "fizzy" to the touch from electricity [08:20] (but only if it's plugged into the wall) [08:22] good thing it's a Pentium 2 ;) [08:22] * Mez is a little worried about this [08:22] Mez: get a voltmeter, measure measure measure :) [08:31] the monitor's been playing up for a couple of weeks now (wont turn on in the morning - or after the screensavers gone on, or randomly) - so I'm just going to get a replacement. [08:41] Mez: sounds sensible [08:46] * Mez watches the Gadget show on the IP Camera [09:04] Morning all [09:07] hello all [09:08] Morning MooDoo [09:19] * Neoti|work lol @ mez.... stalker !!! lol..... [09:24] Mornin all [09:24] good ning [09:24] Neoti|work: why am I a stalker? [09:25] watching gadget show on there ip cam .... lol [09:25] What - they're downstairs in our warehouse! [09:26] Where they're standing, I could go videobomb them from the canteen. [09:28] oooh... I just noticed - all 4 of them are here. [09:29] Morning [09:30] * czajkowski hugs ubuntu-uk [09:31] for those near Sussex - http://email.ietinfo.org/c/11PsTg1vxwodQdjTGk [09:31] The danger of software patents - Richard Stallman [09:33] czajkowski: What did we do now? [09:33] any idea if you can run a "normal" Ubuntu desktop, with minimal functionality, without python or perl installed? [09:33] ( morning btw ) [09:33] daubers: I got bacon.. It made me very happy. I felt the need to share. [09:34] czajkowski: I see.. [09:34] czajkowski: you're worrying me, you've not abused me or davmor2 in a few days now....what's going on? [09:34] * czajkowski hugs MooDoo [09:35] * MooDoo gives up and enjoys it while it lasts....hugs czajkowski [09:36] Off to the show tomorrow \o/ [09:37] :( [09:37] screen-x: ? [09:38] daubers: proxy seems to be wobbling recently [09:38] Oh, ok [09:38] poxy proxies] [09:38] ;-) [09:39] anyone at the expo in Barbican? [09:40] not I [09:41] popey: I've deleted minecraft from my workstation. I found it to be incompatable with productivity [09:41] daubers: me too [09:41] AlanBell? [09:42] aye he's there [09:44] bigcalm: it sounded like you were being very productive in minecraft [09:44] screen-x: I was :) But that doesn't keep clients happy [09:46] hahah bigcalm [09:46] It's still on my laptop though [09:48] no davmor2 [09:48] I know I'll get addicted to Minecraft if I start playing, it's bad enough having Sim City 2000 on my personal Macbook as a time-sink. [09:48] very upsetting [09:54] Happy Wednesday folks! === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem [10:03] weird, mouse wheel has stopped working [10:04] Out of cheese error? [10:04] Just replace it with a hampster wheel [10:04] bigcalm: Or possibly "+++MELON MELON MELON+++" [10:04] :) [10:05] I'm glad people know the reference :) [10:05] imwheel -c doesn't register an event when the wheel moves :( [10:05] * screen-x replugs [10:05] Have you tried turning it off and on again? [10:05] still the same :( [10:09] weirdly, ffmpeg doesn't seem to come with a vorbis encoder. can't work my brain around that one === iggy_ is now known as iggy_work [10:27] Hi I was wondering if the directory locations like ~/.local/bin are standardised somewhere? Couldn't really find something useful on freedesktop.org [10:29] ~/.local/bin doesn't sound very standardised [10:29] imexil: what is in yours? [10:30] popey, I noticed that ~/.local/lib is used and recognised by python. So putting the bins under .local/bin sounded logically and I would prefer that over ~/bin [10:31] none of my machine have a .local/lib [10:31] strange [10:31] so i guess you've built a python program locally without root? [10:31] but ~/.local? [10:31] yes [10:32] i have ~/.local/share, but no lib [10:32] hi all [10:32] actually I build 'be' (bugsanywhere) and that one installed in ~/bin and ~/lib which did not work [10:32] * AlanBell is at the open source expo [10:32] ~/.local/share/Trash/ maybe? [10:32] with kazade [10:32] so I moved it to ~/.local/lib where python automatically recognised the modules [10:32] AlanBell: what's going on AlanBell? [10:33] I will sort some pictures in a bit [10:33] popey: Ha just found it: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0370/ [10:34] So looks really like a python own 'standard' [10:34] *looks like [10:34] lovely [10:34] hello AlanBell [10:35] AlanBell: make sure kazade doesn't slack off playing minecraft! [10:35] (or do, and have that as a demo! [10:35] popey: first thing he did was ask me to pull up the map [10:35] lol [10:36] * popey rsyncs the latest map up [10:37] Just switched off old workstation, didn't realise how noisy it was till now! [10:42] A client wants me to put a link to their youtube channel into their website. Is there a location for aproved logos for linking to youtube? [10:43] bigcalm: http://www.youtube.com/t/press_room_image_files [10:43] screen-x: cheers :) [10:43] No idea why I couldn't find that [10:43] I such at teh internets [10:43] Damn x-chat kept auto correcting t e h [10:44] :) [10:44] 2011-02-02 10:43:35) bigcalm: I such at teh internets [10:44] And I suck [10:44] Bah [10:44] geez, auto-ducking 2 hours of audio on audacity takes like 10 minutes on my computer, audio editing must be hell for people living in like 2001 [10:45] I'm tempted to just sit at the bottom of the stairs and wait for my graze box to arrive [10:45] heh [10:46] Client's requirement: "add You Tube logo to match" [10:46] To match the existing images he's created [10:47] AlanBell: hows it going? [10:47] I'm not a graphics person *sigh* [10:47] good, met a few interesting people already [10:47] and I got the CDs from Millbank [10:47] bigcalm: I'd use the official ones, don't want to get busted by google.. [10:48] screen-x: there isn't a square one [10:48] A YT in a square block would be fitting [10:48] but unrecognisable [10:48] GIS to the rescue: http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=yt+square+logo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1347&bih=834 [10:49] http://popey.com/minecraftmap/ updated :) [10:50] Heh [10:50] I completed a whole side, but it's one that you can't see [10:50] popey wow, last time I looked it was just a 10mb jpg [10:50] be nice if signposts were enabled by default on that map === iggy_ is now known as iggy_work [10:55] hmm, wonder how you do that [10:58] hi all [10:59] AlanBell: Have you just seen the email on the mailing list about the expo? [10:59] "At the expo formerly known as Linux, can't find anyone, no-one's heard of ubuntu or .org. I don't have anyone's mobile number and no one seems to have Skype online. Giving up and going home. " That was from Paula (pmgazz) [11:01] I have a Nokia N97 phone, I was able to use it as a modem with the usb cable connected, but now for some reason when I connect it in PC Suite mode ubuntu automounts the phone's drives, tries to lock the camera and won't let me connect to internet. Any ideas why? Could something have changed in the DBus configuration perhaps? [11:02] pr0ph3t: you can select (on the phone) what kind of device it should be [11:02] pr0ph3t: at least, my last Nokia would ask [11:02] pr0ph3t: Mass storage, etc. [11:02] I select PC Suite [11:02] pr0ph3t: what are the other options [11:02] that doesnt sound like the optimal selection [11:02] Mass Storage Media Transfer [11:03] popey: PC Suite is Nokia-speak for "act like a serial port" [11:03] popey, that's what let me connect before and that's what I've read in the forums [11:03] because in that mode shouldn't mount the drives [11:04] or try to lock the camera [11:05] but ubuntu does all that before I even select PC Suite Mode [11:05] pr0ph3t: somewhere in the phone's settings there's an option for the default mode [11:05] that might have become set to mass storage [11:06] MartijnVdS, I have it on "ask on connection" [11:07] the problem is that it doesn't matter what I put, because before I can select anything it tries to mount and lock the camera anyways [11:07] hmmm [11:08] that's why I was thinking maybe it has something to do with DBus? [11:08] AlanBell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-February/028610.html [11:08] org.freedesktop.DBus [11:08] morning all [11:09] anyone know about evolution being fixed for Exchange access? [11:09] exchange 2003 that is [11:09] AlanBell: no idea sorry I don't have exchange [11:09] I hope it will be [11:09] because at work it's broken [11:10] also, exchange 2007 [11:10] (it's been flaky forever though) [11:10] jpds: thanks, bother [11:15] pr0ph3t: when did it stop working? [11:15] Quick non-ubuntu question - how is "irssi" pronounced? [11:15] eye ar ess ess eye [11:15] or [11:15] ersee [11:15] or [11:15] "Who cares?" :) [11:18] popey, I only used it once, and then I tried to use it again last night but ot wasn't working. The connection is all ready, the modem is recognised, the sim card is registered, but it doesn't connect, the apn is right as well [11:18] when did you last use it? was it under a different release of ubuntu? [11:18] :) I'm just introducing it to someone and they asked. I get told off for my mispronounciation o f'debian' tho thought it best to check [11:19] i usually say it like 'irc' :( [11:19] if someone tells you off for mispronouncing stuff then ask them how they pronounce "Nokia" and "Nike" [11:19] and then proceed to tell them they pronounced it incorrectly, _however_ they pronounce it [11:19] Heh [11:20] http://www.observer.com/2011/tech/flickr-accidentally-deletes-users-4000-photos-and-cant-get-them-back [11:20] I have people tell me I say my name wrong :s [11:20] \o/ cloud computing [11:20] popey, I last used it a few days ago under the same distro [11:20] howdy [11:21] not happy.. expenses paid £300 less than expected. says I filled the form in wrong. Good job I kept a copy of what I filled in as file I uploaded modified.. [11:25] ouch, andylockran :( [11:30] popey: ouch, a lot of photos.... [11:30] czajkowski: that cause this is how you spell czajkowski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky [11:31] morning czajkowski [11:31] davmor2: nice to see the abuse back in action :) [11:32] * czajkowski hugs davmor2 [11:33] * davmor2 is confused as to why when searching apps for idle tomboy appears [11:41] .fasinfo misaakidis [11:41] oops :D [11:42] MooDoo: Stalker! Stalker! [11:42] lol [11:45] * czajkowski hugs MooDoo and davmor2 [11:45] how are my two favourites doing [11:45] Why does our joint account have so much money in it? I fear some direct debits are late [11:46] bigcalm: they decided you needed the money more this month ;) [11:46] MartijnVdS: how thoughtful :) [11:46] bigcalm: because they want you to spend it and then double debit you next month [11:46] czajkowski: when you were poorly did you slip and hit your head at all ;) I'm busy and tired you? [11:46] czajkowski: i'm fine thanks, and you are so feeling poorly, you've not insulted me once in a few days...:) [11:47] bigcalm: Maybe your wife has had a pay rise [11:47] DJones: tricky ;) [11:47] * MooDoo hugs czajkowski just for the hell of it and he's feeling brave :) [11:48] MooDoo: Her's going for that reverse psychology malarkey, being nice to drive us up the wall :D [11:48] If my girlfriend had a payrise, I doubt that she'd just throw it at the joint account ;) [11:48] davmor2: it's working..... [11:48] davmor2: sort her out will you....) it's not natural :) [11:48] morning everyone. [11:48] Woop, almost exercise time :) [11:49] Hi [11:49] morning bigcalm [11:50] MooDoo: Not till after tomorrow I think you'll find :) [11:51] davmor2: what's happening till tomorrow? [11:51] MooDoo: We're both at canonical :D [11:52] davmor2: mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hope you're taking protective equipment.... [11:53] davmor2: are you going for a particular reason? [11:54] MooDoo: I work for them :D and a new piece of work went public yesterday so it's overview time and part of my team are sprinting there too [11:54] davmor2: well that explains it then :D [11:54] davmor2: need a tea boy? [11:55] MooDoo: Oh and of course czajkowski will be there [11:55] Oi! That's my job! [11:55] popey: But you need an assistant tea boy for when you're Minecrafting [11:55] davmor2: picture or i won't believe it ;) [11:56] popey achieves teaboy status in minecraft [11:57] went on the server last night, but my connection was being crap [11:57] :( [11:57] davmor2: :D [11:57] MooDoo: you could join us [11:57] the 3 of us go for Tea [11:57] * popey re-runs the "Who spends too much time in minecraft" report [11:57] czajkowski: don't beat him too much :) [11:58] davmor2: when you doing the "lets take ubuntu uk irc'ers on a tour of canonical towers?" [11:59] its not that exciting there ;) its an office [11:59] MooDoo: No plan to do that but to be honest it's just an office [11:59] gord: i know it's the mystique of it as well ;) [11:59] its quite dull, other than the view [11:59] of all the macs? [11:59] gord towers is much more exciting [11:59] has a cat [11:59] popey: true the view is pretty impressive [12:00] and a gord [12:00] pah ruin my dreams ;) [12:00] gord: they've got loads of cat ...........5 cable [12:00] *crickets* [12:00] http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [12:02] popey: I've tlod you before you need to animate that to make it funny [12:03] morning again, everyone. [12:03] brobostigon: morning [12:03] MooDoo: good morning. [12:04] we should have another quiz night [12:04] popey: irl? [12:04] online [12:05] sounds good [12:05] more likely to be able to make an online one :) [12:05] interesting, [12:05] That sounds a great idea [12:05] we did a few some time ago [12:05] yes. i remember. [12:06] meh, waiting [12:11] Part of my init script looks like this (10 lines): http://paste.ubuntu.com/561369/ . When the process is started, everything works as expected, but if the process is not running, and ps -u returns no output, no other lines are echoed to the screen. Any ideas? [12:13] re all [12:13] I managed to connect with bluetooth as well now [12:13] MartijnVdS, you said you had nokias before, do you use android now if I may ask? [12:13] pr0ph3t: yes [12:14] Nexus One *stroke* [12:15] MartijnVdS, do you find it more compatible in some ways than an S60 phone with Ubuntu? [12:15] pr0ph3t: I've tried USB and wifi tethering, both work fine [12:16] pr0ph3t: USB data storage works with banshee, rhythmbox, f-spot, shotwell [12:16] so it's at least as compatible :) [12:16] I sync it with my Google account, so no issues there either (I use google's web interfaces on my desktop, not Evolution/other crashy software) [12:17] I sync on oviweb as well === cferthorney_ is now known as cferthorney [12:19] ok so really there is a very good support for S60 in ubuntu, I can also use it as a remote for media applications and as a ssh client [12:19] which you can do with android as well [12:22] so there is really no need to swap to android from S60 as far as compatibility goes [12:22] fantastic [12:32] any recommendations for reasonable cheap 24" monitor? Only for office/browsing/xterm usage. [12:33] just got an LG Flatron W2442PE, it's OK [12:33] nothing special [12:34] * MartijnVdS waves at X3N in hd [12:34] o/ [12:34] screen-x: I've found Dell screens to be very good [12:34] Thanks X3N. [12:35] MartijnVdS: I'll check them out. [12:41] Their UltraSharps are disgustingly good in my limited experience [12:42] But similarly expensive [12:42] Oli``: yeah, out of range [12:43] If you can find any, I can recommend Samsung SyncMaster 245Bs [12:43] ooh, I have a 245BW at home.. [12:44] Mine are a couple of years old now so they've probably replaced the model [12:45] Don't know the difference between the B and BW... Looking at a review, the bezel just looks a bit shinier [12:47] this looks pretty similar, and cheaper: http://www.dabs.com/products/samsung-syncmaster-2443bw-24--widescreen-1920-x-1200-5ms-dvi-d-vga-height-adjustable-lcd-monitor-6CY8.html [12:48] They haven't dropped much in price [12:48] Oh I see, different model [12:50] Now you've got me thinking about monitors. This will only end expensively. [12:52] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/173836?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products [12:52] I'm also on ebuyer... http://www.ebuyer.com/product/195484 [12:53] It's a good thing I can't afford two of those. [12:53] heh this is for work, no chance of that sort of thing! [12:54] Though, having used a 27" screen, you don't want 2 of them, you'd have to move your head too much. [12:54] Not sure I could fit two 27" screens on the desk without it collapsing anyway [12:54] Hah, that's probably true too [12:54] Maybe if they were both standard aspect, that would be good :) [12:55] define standard aspect ;) [12:55] popey: !wide [12:56] thats not an aspect ratio I recognise [12:56] 4:3... ish [12:56] try 16:9, 16:10, 4:3... [12:56] "fairly square" [13:06] If you type 'ps -u ' && echo "XXXX" ', if ps returns some results in addition to it's column headers, then you'll see XXXX underneath. If ps only returns column headers because it can't find any process with that user, then XXXX is NOT displayed. why is this? [13:09] Twinkletoes: run ps -u someuser, and then run echo $? [13:09] you will see if ps runs okay you get a return code 0 [13:09] if it doesn't find any processes you get a return code 1 [13:09] the && is only doing the echo if rc=0 [13:10] popey: In my init script I have the two commands on 2 separate lines, and the echo doesn't work. [13:10] i dont understand "doesnt work" [13:11] I was just explaining why echo "XXXX" doesn't happen [13:11]