[00:08] <setuid> How do I tell what packages depend on a given package?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> apt-cache rdepends PACKAGENAME   ?
[00:10] <charlie-tca> i think
[00:13] <setuid> 977... woo
[00:21] <setuid> 882... that should be enough
[00:52] <graingert> setuid, what's wrong with jeos?
[00:53] <setuid> graingert, what's jeos?
[01:06] <fisch246> about what time do you think alpha will be released?
[01:06] <fisch246> alpha 2*
[01:07] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule fisch246
[01:07] <fisch246> well that's date... but what about time?
[01:08] <bazhang> as in UTC?
[01:08] <rww> There is no set time for releases.
[01:08] <fisch246> o ok
[01:08] <bazhang> heh
[01:08] <fisch246> only set time for freezes?
[01:08] <rww> There is also no general time when they usually come out, especially with non-final releases.
[01:12] <fisch246> alright then i'll check in tomorrow
[01:12] <fisch246> but apparently the ISO's are available
[01:19] <setuid> Anyone have a good, fast Ubuntu iso mirror?
[01:20] <fisch246> i suggest using a torrent
[01:20] <setuid> no can do
[01:20] <fisch246> how come?
[01:20] <setuid> has to be direct http/ftp
[01:20] <setuid> Because torrents are blocked
[01:20] <fisch246> ouch
[01:20] <fisch246> i never get that
[01:20] <fisch246> mmk hold on then
[01:20] <fisch246> which version you need?
[01:20] <setuid> When you work in a large enterprise, almost everything is blocked
[01:20] <setuid> 10.04
[01:21] <fisch246> ah ok
[01:21] <fisch246> yea makes sense
[01:21] <setuid> I have to reinstall everything from scratch, Maverick doesn't support my laptop, and Natty has broken nvidia support
[01:21] <setuid> Lucid has everything I need, but unfortunately is 2 revs behind
[01:22] <bjsnider> maverick doesn't support your laptop?
[01:22] <fisch246> http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases//lucid/ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso
[01:22] <fisch246> that's the 32 bit version
[01:23] <fisch246> 10.04.2 will be releasing this month
[01:23] <setuid> hrm, no dvd vetrsions on kernel.org
[01:24] <setuid> I'll pull the cd iso and just update over apt-get
[01:24] <fisch246> o you wanted dvd?
[01:24] <setuid> s'ok, this will do
[01:25] <fisch246> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/10.04/release/
[01:25] <fisch246> there's dvd
[01:27] <fisch246> mmk well i'm gonna reboot into natty
[01:27] <fisch246> brb
[01:46]  * setuid tries ext4 on an encrypted lvm raid instead of xfs, using Maverick... 
[01:46] <setuid> Took about 8 hours to install on a 500G RAID1 using xfs
[01:46] <psusi> holy crap
[01:47] <jbroome> i had no frame of reference, but yeah holy crap
[01:48] <psusi> I'm glad that natty is installing much faster on tb+ drives with ext4
[01:48] <psusi> new e2fsprogs formats much faster
[01:48] <setuid> Something was hammering the disk during the initial install, it was on pretty heavily.. and those disks are 7gb/sec cache, 160M/sec. disk writes
[01:49] <setuid> psusi, formatting was fast, a few seconds, but installing the packages from the DVD took -forever-
[01:49] <psusi> you mean 6gbps?
[01:49] <setuid> I'm used to installing ubuntu in under an hour, this kept going, and going, and going... brand-new, tested clean disk, no errors in dmesg during install either
[01:49] <setuid> And installing in text mode
[01:49] <setuid> psusi, No, 7+gb over cache... not the SATA limit, but actual cached reads/writes
[01:49] <psusi> well the hammering would be synchronizing the mirror
[01:50] <setuid> I'm using the new hybrid SSD drives
[01:50] <setuid> psusi, It wasn't on the network
[01:50] <psusi> huh?  you said drive does 160mb/s
[01:50] <setuid> Install was 100% local
[01:50] <setuid> 160M/sec. across reads/writes to the disk, 7,000M/sec +/- reads/writes to cache
[01:50] <psusi> no, the raid1 mirror, not archive
[01:51] <setuid> I suppose... but it's only a 2-drive array, for testing, not much to sync.. it should be fast or faster than a single set of platters
[01:51] <psusi> that's nonsense since that is faster than the sata interface
[01:51] <psusi> it has to sync the entire 500gb
[01:52] <psusi> when you first build the mirror it copies the entire first disk to the second
[01:52] <setuid> That's not how RAID works at all, each write is written to the raid, in parallel, not in bulk at the end of the write
[01:52] <setuid> It's not serial
[01:53] <psusi> yes, it is... when you first build it it is degraded and has to sync the entire thing
[01:53] <psusi> take a look at mdadm -D /dev/md0
[01:53] <setuid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_1_performance
[01:53] <psusi> I'm quite familiar with the definition of raid 1 ;)
[01:54] <setuid> That's not how the last 15 years of my experience with RAID under Linux has ever been. Add more drives to RAID1, your performance goes up by a significant, measurable amount
[01:54] <psusi> yea... I'm not talking about that
[01:54] <setuid> I'm sure you do, we both do
[01:54] <psusi> I'm talking about when you first build it... it starts out 100% out of sync
[01:54] <setuid> Are you talking about some Ubuntu-specific filesystem handling at install time?
[01:54] <psusi> and so it starts copying everything to get both disks in sync
[01:54] <setuid> The raid is built, before any files are put onto it
[01:54] <psusi> doesn't matter
[01:55] <setuid> So each copy of data to the volume, gets copied across the raid, performance goes way up, over copying it to a single disk
[01:55] <psusi> when you mdadm --create, it starts spinning like crazy and you can check mdadm -D and it will show you the progress it makes as it copies the first drive to the second
[01:55] <setuid> If I'm copying 500M from DVD to a single volume, it takes 'n' amount of time. If I'm copying that to a RAID1 volume from DVD, it's n-{someval}
[01:56] <psusi> no, it is n+a bit... writes go to both disks, so don't get sped up...
[01:56] <setuid> I don't think mdadm --create is run every single time a new package is installed from the DVD to the RAID array at install time
[01:56] <setuid> RAID0, yes... it's "mirrored" to the disks
[01:56] <setuid> RAID1, no
[01:56] <psusi> no, but when you are installing, it creates the array, which kicks off the full sync in the background
[01:56] <psusi> other way around... raid1 is mirrored, 0 is striped
[01:57] <setuid> doh, right, backwards...
[01:57] <psusi> so while the installer is installing packages, the kernel is also trying to copy everything to the second disk, hence, slow...
[01:57] <setuid> Well, I nuked the LVM and RAID part, just using encrypted volumes now, and it's significantly faster... so far.
[01:58] <setuid> It's about 15x faster, based on it being at 31% so far, and it took about 3 hours to get to that last time
[01:59] <psusi> jesus... takes me about 4 minutes to install on lvm or dmraid
[02:06] <setuid> Two disk raid with Maverick, using SATA 3.0 disks (7200rpm, 16M/4GB cache), took just over 8 hours.
[03:11] <iszak> 11.04 ready for desktop use?
[03:11] <rww> no
[03:11] <iszak> I find software that's "unstable" often isn't.
[03:11] <gunndawg> iszak, 3 people already told you the answer
[03:11] <rww> unless you like your desktops with repeated crashing and a 50% chance of working on any given bootup.
[03:11] <iszak> wow.
[03:11] <iszak> okay, yeah that's unstable.
[03:11] <gunndawg> iszak, how many people do you need to give you the same answer ?
[03:12] <iszak> 3.
[03:12] <iszak> and I accept it now.
[03:12] <rww> iszak: pretty much. using a shell that they only started writing a couple of months ago will cause things like that ;)
[03:12] <rww> (Unity in 11.04 is a rewrite)
[03:12] <iszak> ohh I meant 11.04 in general.
[03:13] <iszak> wait I'm confused, are you saying unity is unstable of 11.04?
[03:13] <rww> I'm saying the whole thing is unstable, and that part of the reason is that the newly-minted GUI isn't stable yet.
[03:13] <iszak> ah okay, thanks.
[03:13] <iszak> so that said I should probably stop using unity on 10.10 with the ppa?
[03:14] <rww> dunno, I haven't used the PPA, so I don't know what's in it.
[03:18] <iszak> how does ubuntu determine what version of software to package with the next release?
[03:18] <iszak> is it the package that is deemed stable upon bundling or what..?
[03:25] <Guest69490> I need to set permission on 10.10 cdrom how to do so
[03:26] <iszak> chmod -R xxx /path/to/cdrom ?
[03:30] <Guest69490> ok iszak i dont know the path but from the desktop screen it said permission could not be determined
[03:30] <iszak> probably /media/
[03:31] <iszak> ls /media/
[03:31] <iszak> tbh i don't see why you have permission problems, did you mount it as root and are trying to access it as a non-root user?
[03:31] <Guest69490> it shows this : Ubuntu 10.10 i386  Ubuntu 10.10 i386_
[03:32] <Guest69490> yes i want to mount it as root
[03:33] <iszak> tbh i don't know if chmoding them would be a good idea.
[03:34] <Guest69490> each time i perform Update manager it asks to insert that cdrom in the drive but it tells me that it is Not the right cdrom
[03:35] <iszak> that's odd, you're connected to the internet - right?
[03:35] <rww> Guest69490: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom line from it.
[03:36] <Guest69490> does it make a difference. i am not expert
[03:36] <rww> no. it's not supposed to be there by default, actually.
[03:38] <Guest69490> what is the ubuntu pastebin cmdline
[03:40] <bazhang> pastebinit
[03:42] <Guest69490> iszak could you tell me which line to remove from this http://paste.ubuntu.com/561738/
[03:42] <iszak> Guest69490, what i'd do is unmount all the drives, and then remount the one you installed with
[03:42] <iszak> and only retain that one
[03:43] <Guest69490> okay so starting over should help. how do i unmount drives from terminal
[03:44] <iszak> umount
[03:45] <Guest69490> im lost it shows options -
[03:47] <Guest69490> what is the switch -a -d or -r
[03:49] <iszak> read the manual
[03:49] <Guest69490> any one could help as i dont like messing with the system
[03:50] <iszak> try umount /path/to/directory
[03:51] <Guest69490> good try it shows not found
[03:52] <iszak> you did change /path/to/directory to /media/xxx right?
[03:56] <Guest69490> i am in /media/ now it shows this:  apt  floppy  floppy0  Ubuntu 10.10 i386  Ubuntu 10.10 i386_
[03:57] <iszak> sigh.
[03:57] <iszak> dw
[03:57] <iszak> i cba i came in here for help, someone help this man
[03:59] <Guest69490> are we all humans after all?
[04:01] <bjsnider> no
[04:07] <Guest69490> i know. i have learned that some of us have more "power" than other humans but what the purpose of this live forum
[04:07] <rww> Guest69490: Does the output of "lsb_release -a" say maverick or natty?
[04:08] <Guest69490> it still says Natty
[04:08] <rww> Guest69490: remove the first three lines (the ones with "deb cdrom" in them) from /etc/apt/sources.list.
[04:09] <rww> Guest69490: then rerun sudo apt-get update. You should stop getting messages about inserting CD-ROMs.
[04:16] <Guest69490> okay rw i have removed those lines. I have to reboot now cuz update manager stoped to work
[04:27] <setuid> How does one keep networking up and running, when it keeps disconnecting as I log out? Is networking in Natty set up on a per-user basis now?
[04:28] <setuid> Looks like ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled too... when did that happen?
[04:29] <rww> Jaunty
[04:29] <rww> and wifi networking's been per-user for a long while, iirc.
[04:30] <setuid> I think I found it... simple checkbox "Available to all users"
[04:30] <rww> yup
[04:30] <setuid> Seems metacity was ripped out in favor of this useless compiz crap
[04:30] <setuid> How do I disable that and set sawfish as the default wm -underneath- the "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" desktop selection?
[04:30] <setuid> Choosing it under the main gdm login doesn't give me gnome-session like it did in Lucid
[04:30] <rww> erm.
[04:31] <rww> compiz has been the default in Ubuntu since 2007
[04:32] <setuid> Nah, only if you have the hardware to support it, and only recently have drivers become stable enough on laptops to use it
[04:32] <setuid> But anyway, how do I rip it out, keep my normal sessions and run sawfish instead? sawfish does a -lot- more, and is a heck of a lot faster
[04:32] <rww> no idea, I stopped using Sawfish when GNOME 2.2 came out :\
[04:33] <setuid> I've been using it for ~9 years, fvwm before that
[04:36] <setuid> Great, sawfish is broken in Maverick
[04:36] <setuid> Time to roll back to Lucid... damnit
[04:37] <setuid> Seems like the closer I go to current, the more crap is broken
[05:10] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  have the trash and fusa applets been moved to a new package since natty, by any chance?
[05:12] <Q-FUNK> they suddenly stopped showing and gnome-panel gives me an OAF error about not being able to find them
[05:17] <bazhang> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges Q-FUNK you can follow natty changes via that rss feed
[05:25] <Q-FUNK> bazhang: I can already read the changelog for gnome-applets as it is. it doesn't mention anything.
[06:53] <setuid> What's the name of that util to test 2D speed in Linux?
[06:53] <setuid> Not glxgears, it works in text mode
[07:42] <vega-_> any notable difference in natty boot speed comparing to maverick?
[08:50] <susundberg> Hello
[08:51] <susundberg> New kernel broke my WLAN drive -- it did fix over verbose but now the actual perfomance is even worse than before
[08:52] <susundberg> There is about 10-20s halts in all network trafic
[08:52] <susundberg> Most of the time it works fine
[08:53] <susundberg> The issue has been there for long: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/423010
[10:05] <psypher246> hi natty guys. could someone pls assist me with installing natty. i have been struggling for days. i just got it installed by installing maverick and upgrading. then i tried installing the nvidia proprietary driver to try unity out. jocky crashed with error which has already been logged. but now when i reboot all i get is the ubuntu splashscreen with all dots orange, nothing past there. any suggestions? thanks
[10:30] <psypher246> hi all, pls help, cannot boot natty install at all after installing nvidia drivers via jockey. boot freezez on splash screen
[10:53] <psypher246> hi all, anyone here who can assist me with a non-booting natty install?
[10:54] <sagaci> psypher246, graphics?
[10:55] <psypher246> yeah i tried installing the nvidia driver, jockey crashed, then i rebooted and now just stuck at splash screen
[10:56] <sagaci> brb
[11:03] <geser> I guess it's because of the Xorg transition in natty, the closed nvidia drivers need an update from Nvidia to work with the current Xorg (at least that's what I've heard)
[11:05] <psypher246> so what is the easist way to fix?
[11:08] <geser> as I don't have a nvidia card, I didn't follow it further.
[11:09] <psypher246> damn
[11:12] <yofel> fix is to use nouveau
[11:12] <yofel> there is no nvidia driver yet that works with current xserver
[11:13] <psypher246> yeah but i can't get insto thge desktop at all to choose the nouveau driver
[11:13] <psypher246> freeze on splash
[11:14] <yofel> try alt+print+k, ctrl+alt+f2, that should get you a login terminal
[11:14] <psypher246> so how do i install nouveau via cli?
[11:15] <psypher246> think i got it xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[11:16] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule jr-minnaar
[11:16] <jr-minnaar> Thanks, it's coming today?
[11:16] <jr-minnaar> :)
[11:20] <psypher246> ok so i have the nouveau driver installed and back into the desktop, how do i get 3d gfx activated and start unity?
[11:21] <jr-minnaar> Do you know at what time Alpha 2 will be released? (UTC), or is it just sometime today?
[11:40] <psypher246> hi all, since nouveau doesn't make 3dfx work i have now tried the official binary driver from nvdia. pc still does not boot. not sure where to next
[11:42] <yofel> use nouveau? and maybe see if installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental gives you 3D support
[11:42] <yofel> there is NO nvidia driver yet that works with the new xserver, not even nvidias current beta driver
[11:43] <psypher246> wow, ok no driver, that sucks. will try installing ibgl1-mesa-dri-experimenta, what does that provide
[11:45] <yofel> experimental nouveau 3D support for a few more graphics cards, you'll have to see if your card is on that list
[11:46] <psypher246> file is already installed. so does that mean I have no way at this time to try unity?
[11:47] <yofel> probably, you can watch the x-updates PPA, that'll have a new nvidia drivers as soon as nvidia releases one
[11:47] <yofel> *driver
[11:50] <psypher246> very curious as to know how unity is going to handle multiple desktops
[11:51] <psypher246> i mean multiple screens
[11:52] <psypher246> if the extra screen is on the left but the mail screen must be on the right or middle, how does the left panel handle that
[11:53] <psypher246> i don't want to have to move all the way to the left screen for click on a menu item, the centre screen must be primary
[11:55] <compengi_> hello, i downloaded natty alpha 1 x86_64 iso but i can't burn the image on a normal cd. i've tried to use overburning option in brasero, it failed too. how do you burn those images?
[11:57] <yofel> since we're hours away from alpha2, you should rather use a daily image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:58] <compengi_> aha
[11:58] <compengi_> thanks yofel!
[11:58] <compengi_> the images seems to fit on a cd
[13:29] <MickStep> is alpha 2 to be released today?
[13:30] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule MickStep
[13:31] <MickStep> bazhang: Is that a yes?
[13:32] <bazhang> MickStep, what does the release schedule link say
[13:36] <MickStep> well to me it looks like alpha 2 releases feb 3rd
[14:07] <vega-_> MickStep: "today" kinda depends on your timezone
[14:09] <MickStep> vega-_: my timezone is GMT
[14:10]  * patdk-wk perfers the UTC timezone
[14:11] <vega-_> anyway don't understand why the need to wait.. just install right now if you want to test it
[14:12] <MickStep> My alpha 1 install is screwed up, and I have been unable to fix it, I figured I'd wait for the alpha 2 image to be released before I reinstall.
[14:15] <vega-_> so there's still a lot left of the 3rd, at least if you live in canada for instance ...
[15:17] <neglesaks> any news on NN a2?
[15:19] <charlie-tca> It was not released yet. Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC.
[15:21] <neglesaks> sounds good, ill get my server ready to see then
[15:28] <anr78> What's special about the "Desktop CD for 64-bit Mac"?
[15:40] <perscitus> Will Natty have Gnome-Shell option?
[15:41] <Spirits-Sight> Has the issue been fixed where it would want to uninstal ubuntu-desktop when trying to install nvidia cards?
[15:44] <derspankster> alpha 2 still coming today?
[15:47] <charlie-tca> yes Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC.
[15:47] <derspankster> thank-you
[15:48] <fdsaseemslegit> derspankster,   I was with alpha 1  Xubuntu till they introduced the 2.6.38 kernel
[15:49] <fdsaseemslegit> okie doke,  peace.
[15:57] <Spirits-Sight> Has the issue been fixed where it would want to uninstal ubuntu-desktop when trying to install nvidia cards?
[18:20] <hd1> hmph...
[18:20] <hd1> Virtual packages like 'xserver-xorg-video-8' can't be removed <[18:36] <yofel> hd1: well, it's a virtual package, in this case there are only packages that 'provide' it and packages that depend on it, it's not a real package that you can install
[18:43] <hd1> yofel:I think it has to do with the new X.org stack
[18:44] <yofel> hd1: it has, it's a package to handle abi compatibility, and it's nothing you can actually install/remove
[18:46] <ytaj> hi
[18:46] <ytaj> I just tested alpha-2 available from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/11.04/alpha-2/
[18:46] <ytaj> and I got a nice kernel panic, so I'd like to know how I could copy/paste the text :-)
[18:47] <ytaj> with virtualbox
[18:47] <ytaj> if it's possible
[18:47] <ytaj> I mean, copy & paste on a bug report of course
[18:47] <ytaj> not here :-)
[18:52] <ytaj> hmmm... I just restarted the virtual machine and it launched smoothly... weird
[18:55] <trijntje> Hi all, when I try to install proprietary nvidia drivers in jocky I get the following error: SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[18:55] <trijntje> is this part of the known X server issues or a separate problem of jockey?
[18:57] <yofel> trijntje: read the link in the topic, there is no working nvidia driver currently (NOWHERE!)
[18:57] <yofel> so you'll have to stick to nouveau
[18:58] <ytaj> crap... I rebooted the VM four times now, and the bug doesn't occur...
[18:59] <trijntje> I've read that link, but I dont know if what I'm getting is because of that
[18:59] <trijntje> thats why I asked
[19:00] <yofel> trijntje: hm... what does 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a terminal tell you?
[19:01] <trijntje> yofel, nothing to do
[19:01] <yofel> then I don't get the error either
[19:04] <trijntje> oh well, ill just have to wait and see of some future update fixes it
[19:23] <Q-FUNK> am I dreaming this or it seems that libwebkitgtk-1.0-common has broken dependency relationships with its prececessor libwebkit-1.0-common?
[20:44] <Gumby> without nvidia my narwhal is natty
[21:03] <derspankster> I cannot get vb 4.0 guest additions to install in natty. Keep getting headers not found message.
[21:24] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else noticing that natty alpha 2 is quite bad in virtualbox?
[21:27] <derspankster> Agreed on the alpha 2, cannot install guest additions'
[21:28] <fisch246> anyone know of a way to get unity to be more stable?
[21:28] <fisch246> as in a certain program that isn't working that i could just turn off for the time being
[21:30] <derspankster> I am unable to run unity at all
[21:30] <fisch246> whoa... pigdin is having issues it seems...
[21:31] <fisch246> at the top it shows a different name for the room i'm in
[21:31] <fisch246> anyway...
[21:31] <fisch246> i was able to previously run unity
[21:33] <derspankster> I was able as well sometime last week
[21:34] <fisch246> which is odd cause the live CD worked perfectly
[21:35] <derspankster> I installed alpha 2 in vb4 today - never tried the live CD
[21:36] <fisch246> so i'm wondering if there's like a program that conflicts with unity after install...
[21:36] <fisch246> doesn't really matter to me as i'm not really testing unity
[21:36] <derspankster> I can't install vbox additions, that's the issue.
[21:37] <fisch246> probably because it isn't stable
[21:37] <fisch246> vbox doesn't support an OS until about a week or so after stable release
[21:37] <derspankster> I get a message saying the running kernel headers cannot be found and guest additions fails.
[21:38] <fisch246> yea because it's not used to the kernal
[21:38] <fisch246> natty uses an unstable kernal
[21:38] <fisch246> ahem...
[21:38] <fisch246> the alpha does
[21:38] <fisch246> btw the time natty goes stable, so will the kernal
[21:39] <derspankster> I had guest additions installed in alpha 1 and unity ran. Then, an update wiped that out.
[21:39] <fisch246> i wouldn't suggest "checking out" an OS until it goes onto beta
[21:39] <fisch246> alpha is really only for testing
[21:40] <derspankster> it's not a big deal, I run a lot of V machines
[21:40] <fisch246> yea so do i
[21:40] <fisch246> but natty works best as a hard install
[21:40] <fisch246> because it is currently very unstable
[21:41] <derspankster> my initial feelings about unity are not good. But, would like to play some more
[21:41] <fisch246> like i said...
[21:41] <fisch246> probably wait till beta
[21:42] <fisch246> unity will be stable and implemented by that time...
[21:42] <derspankster> actually, it was pretty stable last week in alpha 1
[21:43] <derspankster> but, things are constantly evolving
[21:43] <fisch246> yup
[21:43] <fisch246> one of these days i'll be an official ubuntu software dev
[21:44] <derspankster> good for you.  Not for me though.
[21:44] <fisch246> i'm currently writing an entire game in python, and trying to get a blog up
[21:45] <fisch246> and by blog, i don't mean like a thing about the day
[21:45] <fisch246> it'll be a news agency
[21:46] <fisch246> for the world of open source
[21:46] <fisch246> and a part non-profit organization
[21:46] <rww> !ot
[21:47] <jeffwheeler> I'm a bit confused about what of GNOME 3 natty is adopting. Are we getting the new control center, etc. (e.g. the stuff in the gnome3-team/gnome3 PPA), or are we sticking with the current versions for now?
[21:47] <jeffwheeler>  This is the PPA I'm talking about: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[21:51] <rww> jeffwheeler: As far as I'm aware, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html is an accurate summary of Ubuntu's GNOME 3 status.
[21:51] <jeffwheeler> (Also, you might want to update the channel title.)
[21:51] <jeffwheeler> rww: will read that now; thanks
[21:51] <jeffwheeler> (. . . for alpha 2, I mean.)
[21:51] <rww> (yeah, I'm about to go find someone to get it fixed)
[22:02] <gpc> /lart jeffwheeler for making me lie
[22:04] <fisch246> ha
[22:04] <fisch246> i just saw the "ot" message
[22:05] <derspankster> yeah, there's so much traffic in here
[22:05] <fisch246> that sarcasm?
[22:06] <derspankster> could be
[22:07] <yofel> it is offtopic though, the policy on that is pretty strict in #ubuntu-*
[22:11] <derspankster> my original question dealt with VB guest editions and alpha 2
[22:13] <derspankster> additions not editions
[22:13] <fisch246> yea but i went on about my blog
[22:14] <fisch246> that has nothing to do with natty
[22:14] <fisch246> with linux, but not natty
[22:14] <fisch246> however the python game did
[22:14] <fisch246> as that is going to be shipped to natty hopefully
[22:14] <fisch246> but it's still offtopic cause it's not support...
[22:15] <fisch246> but i don't see any natty off topic rooms around anywhere :P
[22:16] <rww> #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:16] <fisch246> offtopic+1
[22:16] <fisch246> that's what they need
[22:16] <rww> no they don't
[22:18] <fisch246> ha...
[22:18] <derspankster> I'll try some other resources.  adios
[22:18] <fisch246> it's a room now :P
[22:18] <Vegar> What filesystem will be the default in natty?
[22:24] <TheAsp> Is there anything like snapshot.debian.org for Ubuntu?
[22:24] <gpc> !daily
[22:25] <TheAsp> I'm looking for the xorg packages from about 2 weeks ago
[22:36] <fisch246> well i guess it won't be a room...
[22:36] <fisch246> suddenly my server won't connect to set in for a bot >.<
[22:38] <rww> is for the best. random OT channels in the ubuntu namespace tend to get closed.
[22:44] <TheAsp> Anyone have the natty alpha1 alternate cd?
[22:45] <TheAsp> woot, nevermind
[23:17] <Gumby> is an alpha2 install much different than a fully up to date alpha1 install?
[23:17] <rww> Alpha releases are just snapshots of the repositories. If you're applying updates, they should be identical.
[23:17] <pace_t_zulu> anyone have any ideas regarding the linux headers issue with virtualbox guest additions for natty and vbox4
[23:18] <pace_t_zulu> Gumby: should be identical
[23:18] <pace_t_zulu> Gumby: excluding any modifications you've made
[23:18] <pace_t_zulu> to your existing installation
[23:19] <Gumby> I see
[23:19] <Gumby> havent had a lot of success doing any type of update as of yet.  But that's to be expected I assume
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> Gumby: one difference will be the indicated original source media
[23:19] <pace_t_zulu> yours will say alpha 1
[23:20] <pace_t_zulu> an alpha 2 fresh install will say alpha 2
[23:20] <Gumby> well, we cant have that now can we.  hehe
[23:20] <pace_t_zulu> Gumby: yea, major upheaval due to the transition to unity
[23:20] <pace_t_zulu> it's been a bit of a bumpy road
[23:21] <Gumby> I expected as much.  wanted to check it out but I cant get display drivers working properly and from what I understand the nvidia drivers dont work with the latest Xorg
[23:24] <pace_t_zulu> !vbox
[23:26] <pace_t_zulu> !free