| setuid | How do I tell what packages depend on a given package? | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| charlie-tca | apt-cache rdepends PACKAGENAME ? | 00:09 |
| charlie-tca | i think | 00:10 |
| setuid | 977... woo | 00:13 |
| setuid | 882... that should be enough | 00:21 |
| graingert | setuid, what's wrong with jeos? | 00:52 |
| setuid | graingert, what's jeos? | 00:53 |
| fisch246 | about what time do you think alpha will be released? | 01:06 |
| fisch246 | alpha 2* | 01:06 |
| bazhang | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule fisch246 | 01:07 |
| fisch246 | well that's date... but what about time? | 01:07 |
| bazhang | as in UTC? | 01:08 |
| rww | There is no set time for releases. | 01:08 |
| fisch246 | o ok | 01:08 |
| bazhang | heh | 01:08 |
| fisch246 | only set time for freezes? | 01:08 |
| rww | There is also no general time when they usually come out, especially with non-final releases. | 01:08 |
| fisch246 | alright then i'll check in tomorrow | 01:12 |
| fisch246 | but apparently the ISO's are available | 01:12 |
| setuid | Anyone have a good, fast Ubuntu iso mirror? | 01:19 |
| fisch246 | i suggest using a torrent | 01:20 |
| setuid | no can do | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | how come? | 01:20 |
| setuid | has to be direct http/ftp | 01:20 |
| setuid | Because torrents are blocked | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | ouch | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | i never get that | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | mmk hold on then | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | which version you need? | 01:20 |
| setuid | When you work in a large enterprise, almost everything is blocked | 01:20 |
| setuid | 10.04 | 01:20 |
| fisch246 | ah ok | 01:21 |
| fisch246 | yea makes sense | 01:21 |
| setuid | I have to reinstall everything from scratch, Maverick doesn't support my laptop, and Natty has broken nvidia support | 01:21 |
| setuid | Lucid has everything I need, but unfortunately is 2 revs behind | 01:21 |
| bjsnider | maverick doesn't support your laptop? | 01:22 |
| fisch246 | http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases//lucid/ubuntu-10.04.1-desktop-i386.iso | 01:22 |
| fisch246 | that's the 32 bit version | 01:22 |
| fisch246 | 10.04.2 will be releasing this month | 01:23 |
| setuid | hrm, no dvd vetrsions on kernel.org | 01:23 |
| setuid | I'll pull the cd iso and just update over apt-get | 01:24 |
| fisch246 | o you wanted dvd? | 01:24 |
| setuid | s'ok, this will do | 01:24 |
| fisch246 | http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/10.04/release/ | 01:25 |
| fisch246 | there's dvd | 01:25 |
| fisch246 | mmk well i'm gonna reboot into natty | 01:27 |
| fisch246 | brb | 01:27 |
| * setuid tries ext4 on an encrypted lvm raid instead of xfs, using Maverick... | 01:46 | |
| setuid | Took about 8 hours to install on a 500G RAID1 using xfs | 01:46 |
| psusi | holy crap | 01:46 |
| jbroome | i had no frame of reference, but yeah holy crap | 01:47 |
| psusi | I'm glad that natty is installing much faster on tb+ drives with ext4 | 01:48 |
| psusi | new e2fsprogs formats much faster | 01:48 |
| setuid | Something was hammering the disk during the initial install, it was on pretty heavily.. and those disks are 7gb/sec cache, 160M/sec. disk writes | 01:48 |
| setuid | psusi, formatting was fast, a few seconds, but installing the packages from the DVD took -forever- | 01:49 |
| psusi | you mean 6gbps? | 01:49 |
| setuid | I'm used to installing ubuntu in under an hour, this kept going, and going, and going... brand-new, tested clean disk, no errors in dmesg during install either | 01:49 |
| setuid | And installing in text mode | 01:49 |
| setuid | psusi, No, 7+gb over cache... not the SATA limit, but actual cached reads/writes | 01:49 |
| psusi | well the hammering would be synchronizing the mirror | 01:49 |
| setuid | I'm using the new hybrid SSD drives | 01:50 |
| setuid | psusi, It wasn't on the network | 01:50 |
| psusi | huh? you said drive does 160mb/s | 01:50 |
| setuid | Install was 100% local | 01:50 |
| setuid | 160M/sec. across reads/writes to the disk, 7,000M/sec +/- reads/writes to cache | 01:50 |
| psusi | no, the raid1 mirror, not archive | 01:50 |
| setuid | I suppose... but it's only a 2-drive array, for testing, not much to sync.. it should be fast or faster than a single set of platters | 01:51 |
| psusi | that's nonsense since that is faster than the sata interface | 01:51 |
| psusi | it has to sync the entire 500gb | 01:51 |
| psusi | when you first build the mirror it copies the entire first disk to the second | 01:52 |
| setuid | That's not how RAID works at all, each write is written to the raid, in parallel, not in bulk at the end of the write | 01:52 |
| setuid | It's not serial | 01:52 |
| psusi | yes, it is... when you first build it it is degraded and has to sync the entire thing | 01:53 |
| psusi | take a look at mdadm -D /dev/md0 | 01:53 |
| setuid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_1_performance | 01:53 |
| psusi | I'm quite familiar with the definition of raid 1 ;) | 01:53 |
| setuid | That's not how the last 15 years of my experience with RAID under Linux has ever been. Add more drives to RAID1, your performance goes up by a significant, measurable amount | 01:54 |
| psusi | yea... I'm not talking about that | 01:54 |
| setuid | I'm sure you do, we both do | 01:54 |
| psusi | I'm talking about when you first build it... it starts out 100% out of sync | 01:54 |
| setuid | Are you talking about some Ubuntu-specific filesystem handling at install time? | 01:54 |
| psusi | and so it starts copying everything to get both disks in sync | 01:54 |
| setuid | The raid is built, before any files are put onto it | 01:54 |
| psusi | doesn't matter | 01:54 |
| setuid | So each copy of data to the volume, gets copied across the raid, performance goes way up, over copying it to a single disk | 01:55 |
| psusi | when you mdadm --create, it starts spinning like crazy and you can check mdadm -D and it will show you the progress it makes as it copies the first drive to the second | 01:55 |
| setuid | If I'm copying 500M from DVD to a single volume, it takes 'n' amount of time. If I'm copying that to a RAID1 volume from DVD, it's n-{someval} | 01:55 |
| psusi | no, it is n+a bit... writes go to both disks, so don't get sped up... | 01:56 |
| setuid | I don't think mdadm --create is run every single time a new package is installed from the DVD to the RAID array at install time | 01:56 |
| setuid | RAID0, yes... it's "mirrored" to the disks | 01:56 |
| setuid | RAID1, no | 01:56 |
| psusi | no, but when you are installing, it creates the array, which kicks off the full sync in the background | 01:56 |
| psusi | other way around... raid1 is mirrored, 0 is striped | 01:56 |
| setuid | doh, right, backwards... | 01:57 |
| psusi | so while the installer is installing packages, the kernel is also trying to copy everything to the second disk, hence, slow... | 01:57 |
| setuid | Well, I nuked the LVM and RAID part, just using encrypted volumes now, and it's significantly faster... so far. | 01:57 |
| setuid | It's about 15x faster, based on it being at 31% so far, and it took about 3 hours to get to that last time | 01:58 |
| psusi | jesus... takes me about 4 minutes to install on lvm or dmraid | 01:59 |
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| setuid | Two disk raid with Maverick, using SATA 3.0 disks (7200rpm, 16M/4GB cache), took just over 8 hours. | 02:06 |
| iszak | 11.04 ready for desktop use? | 03:11 |
| rww | no | 03:11 |
| iszak | I find software that's "unstable" often isn't. | 03:11 |
| gunndawg | iszak, 3 people already told you the answer | 03:11 |
| rww | unless you like your desktops with repeated crashing and a 50% chance of working on any given bootup. | 03:11 |
| iszak | wow. | 03:11 |
| iszak | okay, yeah that's unstable. | 03:11 |
| gunndawg | iszak, how many people do you need to give you the same answer ? | 03:11 |
| iszak | 3. | 03:12 |
| iszak | and I accept it now. | 03:12 |
| rww | iszak: pretty much. using a shell that they only started writing a couple of months ago will cause things like that ;) | 03:12 |
| rww | (Unity in 11.04 is a rewrite) | 03:12 |
| iszak | ohh I meant 11.04 in general. | 03:12 |
| iszak | wait I'm confused, are you saying unity is unstable of 11.04? | 03:13 |
| rww | I'm saying the whole thing is unstable, and that part of the reason is that the newly-minted GUI isn't stable yet. | 03:13 |
| iszak | ah okay, thanks. | 03:13 |
| iszak | so that said I should probably stop using unity on 10.10 with the ppa? | 03:13 |
| rww | dunno, I haven't used the PPA, so I don't know what's in it. | 03:14 |
| iszak | how does ubuntu determine what version of software to package with the next release? | 03:18 |
| iszak | is it the package that is deemed stable upon bundling or what..? | 03:18 |
| === lost is now known as Guest69490 | ||
| Guest69490 | I need to set permission on 10.10 cdrom how to do so | 03:25 |
| iszak | chmod -R xxx /path/to/cdrom ? | 03:26 |
| Guest69490 | ok iszak i dont know the path but from the desktop screen it said permission could not be determined | 03:30 |
| iszak | probably /media/ | 03:30 |
| iszak | ls /media/ | 03:31 |
| iszak | tbh i don't see why you have permission problems, did you mount it as root and are trying to access it as a non-root user? | 03:31 |
| Guest69490 | it shows this : Ubuntu 10.10 i386 Ubuntu 10.10 i386_ | 03:31 |
| Guest69490 | yes i want to mount it as root | 03:32 |
| iszak | tbh i don't know if chmoding them would be a good idea. | 03:33 |
| Guest69490 | each time i perform Update manager it asks to insert that cdrom in the drive but it tells me that it is Not the right cdrom | 03:34 |
| iszak | that's odd, you're connected to the internet - right? | 03:35 |
| rww | Guest69490: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the cdrom line from it. | 03:35 |
| Guest69490 | does it make a difference. i am not expert | 03:36 |
| rww | no. it's not supposed to be there by default, actually. | 03:36 |
| Guest69490 | what is the ubuntu pastebin cmdline | 03:38 |
| bazhang | pastebinit | 03:40 |
| Guest69490 | iszak could you tell me which line to remove from this http://paste.ubuntu.com/561738/ | 03:42 |
| iszak | Guest69490, what i'd do is unmount all the drives, and then remount the one you installed with | 03:42 |
| iszak | and only retain that one | 03:42 |
| Guest69490 | okay so starting over should help. how do i unmount drives from terminal | 03:43 |
| iszak | umount | 03:44 |
| Guest69490 | im lost it shows options - | 03:45 |
| Guest69490 | what is the switch -a -d or -r | 03:47 |
| iszak | read the manual | 03:49 |
| Guest69490 | any one could help as i dont like messing with the system | 03:49 |
| iszak | try umount /path/to/directory | 03:50 |
| Guest69490 | good try it shows not found | 03:51 |
| iszak | you did change /path/to/directory to /media/xxx right? | 03:52 |
| Guest69490 | i am in /media/ now it shows this: apt floppy floppy0 Ubuntu 10.10 i386 Ubuntu 10.10 i386_ | 03:56 |
| iszak | sigh. | 03:57 |
| iszak | dw | 03:57 |
| iszak | i cba i came in here for help, someone help this man | 03:57 |
| Guest69490 | are we all humans after all? | 03:59 |
| bjsnider | no | 04:01 |
| Guest69490 | i know. i have learned that some of us have more "power" than other humans but what the purpose of this live forum | 04:07 |
| rww | Guest69490: Does the output of "lsb_release -a" say maverick or natty? | 04:07 |
| Guest69490 | it still says Natty | 04:08 |
| rww | Guest69490: remove the first three lines (the ones with "deb cdrom" in them) from /etc/apt/sources.list. | 04:08 |
| rww | Guest69490: then rerun sudo apt-get update. You should stop getting messages about inserting CD-ROMs. | 04:09 |
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| Guest69490 | okay rw i have removed those lines. I have to reboot now cuz update manager stoped to work | 04:16 |
| setuid | How does one keep networking up and running, when it keeps disconnecting as I log out? Is networking in Natty set up on a per-user basis now? | 04:27 |
| setuid | Looks like ctrl-alt-backspace is disabled too... when did that happen? | 04:28 |
| rww | Jaunty | 04:29 |
| rww | and wifi networking's been per-user for a long while, iirc. | 04:29 |
| setuid | I think I found it... simple checkbox "Available to all users" | 04:30 |
| rww | yup | 04:30 |
| setuid | Seems metacity was ripped out in favor of this useless compiz crap | 04:30 |
| setuid | How do I disable that and set sawfish as the default wm -underneath- the "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" desktop selection? | 04:30 |
| setuid | Choosing it under the main gdm login doesn't give me gnome-session like it did in Lucid | 04:30 |
| rww | erm. | 04:30 |
| rww | compiz has been the default in Ubuntu since 2007 | 04:31 |
| setuid | Nah, only if you have the hardware to support it, and only recently have drivers become stable enough on laptops to use it | 04:32 |
| setuid | But anyway, how do I rip it out, keep my normal sessions and run sawfish instead? sawfish does a -lot- more, and is a heck of a lot faster | 04:32 |
| rww | no idea, I stopped using Sawfish when GNOME 2.2 came out :\ | 04:32 |
| setuid | I've been using it for ~9 years, fvwm before that | 04:33 |
| setuid | Great, sawfish is broken in Maverick | 04:36 |
| setuid | Time to roll back to Lucid... damnit | 04:36 |
| setuid | Seems like the closer I go to current, the more crap is broken | 04:37 |
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| Q-FUNK | howdy! have the trash and fusa applets been moved to a new package since natty, by any chance? | 05:10 |
| Q-FUNK | they suddenly stopped showing and gnome-panel gives me an OAF error about not being able to find them | 05:12 |
| bazhang | http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges Q-FUNK you can follow natty changes via that rss feed | 05:17 |
| Q-FUNK | bazhang: I can already read the changelog for gnome-applets as it is. it doesn't mention anything. | 05:25 |
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| setuid | What's the name of that util to test 2D speed in Linux? | 06:53 |
| setuid | Not glxgears, it works in text mode | 06:53 |
| vega-_ | any notable difference in natty boot speed comparing to maverick? | 07:42 |
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| susundberg | Hello | 08:50 |
| susundberg | New kernel broke my WLAN drive -- it did fix over verbose but now the actual perfomance is even worse than before | 08:51 |
| susundberg | There is about 10-20s halts in all network trafic | 08:52 |
| susundberg | Most of the time it works fine | 08:52 |
| susundberg | The issue has been there for long: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/423010 | 08:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 423010 in linux (Ubuntu) "Wireless network unreliable with rt2800 series chipset" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:53 |
| psypher246 | hi natty guys. could someone pls assist me with installing natty. i have been struggling for days. i just got it installed by installing maverick and upgrading. then i tried installing the nvidia proprietary driver to try unity out. jocky crashed with error which has already been logged. but now when i reboot all i get is the ubuntu splashscreen with all dots orange, nothing past there. any suggestions? thanks | 10:05 |
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| psypher246 | hi all, pls help, cannot boot natty install at all after installing nvidia drivers via jockey. boot freezez on splash screen | 10:30 |
| psypher246 | hi all, anyone here who can assist me with a non-booting natty install? | 10:53 |
| sagaci | psypher246, graphics? | 10:54 |
| psypher246 | yeah i tried installing the nvidia driver, jockey crashed, then i rebooted and now just stuck at splash screen | 10:55 |
| sagaci | brb | 10:56 |
| geser | I guess it's because of the Xorg transition in natty, the closed nvidia drivers need an update from Nvidia to work with the current Xorg (at least that's what I've heard) | 11:03 |
| psypher246 | so what is the easist way to fix? | 11:05 |
| geser | as I don't have a nvidia card, I didn't follow it further. | 11:08 |
| psypher246 | damn | 11:09 |
| yofel | fix is to use nouveau | 11:12 |
| yofel | there is no nvidia driver yet that works with current xserver | 11:12 |
| psypher246 | yeah but i can't get insto thge desktop at all to choose the nouveau driver | 11:13 |
| psypher246 | freeze on splash | 11:13 |
| yofel | try alt+print+k, ctrl+alt+f2, that should get you a login terminal | 11:14 |
| psypher246 | so how do i install nouveau via cli? | 11:14 |
| psypher246 | think i got it xserver-xorg-video-nouveau? | 11:15 |
| bazhang | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule jr-minnaar | 11:16 |
| jr-minnaar | Thanks, it's coming today? | 11:16 |
| jr-minnaar | :) | 11:16 |
| psypher246 | ok so i have the nouveau driver installed and back into the desktop, how do i get 3d gfx activated and start unity? | 11:20 |
| jr-minnaar | Do you know at what time Alpha 2 will be released? (UTC), or is it just sometime today? | 11:21 |
| psypher246 | hi all, since nouveau doesn't make 3dfx work i have now tried the official binary driver from nvdia. pc still does not boot. not sure where to next | 11:40 |
| yofel | use nouveau? and maybe see if installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental gives you 3D support | 11:42 |
| yofel | there is NO nvidia driver yet that works with the new xserver, not even nvidias current beta driver | 11:42 |
| psypher246 | wow, ok no driver, that sucks. will try installing ibgl1-mesa-dri-experimenta, what does that provide | 11:43 |
| yofel | experimental nouveau 3D support for a few more graphics cards, you'll have to see if your card is on that list | 11:45 |
| psypher246 | file is already installed. so does that mean I have no way at this time to try unity? | 11:46 |
| yofel | probably, you can watch the x-updates PPA, that'll have a new nvidia drivers as soon as nvidia releases one | 11:47 |
| yofel | *driver | 11:47 |
| psypher246 | very curious as to know how unity is going to handle multiple desktops | 11:50 |
| psypher246 | i mean multiple screens | 11:51 |
| psypher246 | if the extra screen is on the left but the mail screen must be on the right or middle, how does the left panel handle that | 11:52 |
| psypher246 | i don't want to have to move all the way to the left screen for click on a menu item, the centre screen must be primary | 11:53 |
| compengi_ | hello, i downloaded natty alpha 1 x86_64 iso but i can't burn the image on a normal cd. i've tried to use overburning option in brasero, it failed too. how do you burn those images? | 11:55 |
| yofel | since we're hours away from alpha2, you should rather use a daily image http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 11:57 |
| compengi_ | aha | 11:58 |
| compengi_ | thanks yofel! | 11:58 |
| compengi_ | the images seems to fit on a cd | 11:58 |
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| MickStep | is alpha 2 to be released today? | 13:29 |
| bazhang | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule MickStep | 13:30 |
| MickStep | bazhang: Is that a yes? | 13:31 |
| bazhang | MickStep, what does the release schedule link say | 13:32 |
| MickStep | well to me it looks like alpha 2 releases feb 3rd | 13:36 |
| vega-_ | MickStep: "today" kinda depends on your timezone | 14:07 |
| MickStep | vega-_: my timezone is GMT | 14:09 |
| * patdk-wk perfers the UTC timezone | 14:10 | |
| vega-_ | anyway don't understand why the need to wait.. just install right now if you want to test it | 14:11 |
| MickStep | My alpha 1 install is screwed up, and I have been unable to fix it, I figured I'd wait for the alpha 2 image to be released before I reinstall. | 14:12 |
| vega-_ | so there's still a lot left of the 3rd, at least if you live in canada for instance ... | 14:15 |
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| neglesaks | any news on NN a2? | 15:17 |
| charlie-tca | It was not released yet. Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC. | 15:19 |
| neglesaks | sounds good, ill get my server ready to see then | 15:21 |
| anr78 | What's special about the "Desktop CD for 64-bit Mac"? | 15:28 |
| perscitus | Will Natty have Gnome-Shell option? | 15:40 |
| Spirits-Sight | Has the issue been fixed where it would want to uninstal ubuntu-desktop when trying to install nvidia cards? | 15:41 |
| derspankster | alpha 2 still coming today? | 15:44 |
| charlie-tca | yes Have patience, it should be released by midnight UTC. | 15:47 |
| derspankster | thank-you | 15:47 |
| fdsaseemslegit | derspankster, I was with alpha 1 Xubuntu till they introduced the 2.6.38 kernel | 15:48 |
| fdsaseemslegit | okie doke, peace. | 15:49 |
| Spirits-Sight | Has the issue been fixed where it would want to uninstal ubuntu-desktop when trying to install nvidia cards? | 15:57 |
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| hd1 | hmph... | 18:20 |
| hd1 | Virtual packages like 'xserver-xorg-video-8' can't be removed <=== wtf? | 18:20 |
| yofel | hd1: well, it's a virtual package, in this case there are only packages that 'provide' it and packages that depend on it, it's not a real package that you can install | 18:36 |
| hd1 | yofel:I think it has to do with the new X.org stack | 18:43 |
| yofel | hd1: it has, it's a package to handle abi compatibility, and it's nothing you can actually install/remove | 18:44 |
| ytaj | hi | 18:46 |
| ytaj | I just tested alpha-2 available from http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/11.04/alpha-2/ | 18:46 |
| ytaj | and I got a nice kernel panic, so I'd like to know how I could copy/paste the text :-) | 18:46 |
| ytaj | with virtualbox | 18:47 |
| ytaj | if it's possible | 18:47 |
| ytaj | I mean, copy & paste on a bug report of course | 18:47 |
| ytaj | not here :-) | 18:47 |
| ytaj | hmmm... I just restarted the virtual machine and it launched smoothly... weird | 18:52 |
| trijntje | Hi all, when I try to install proprietary nvidia drivers in jocky I get the following error: SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 18:55 |
| trijntje | is this part of the known X server issues or a separate problem of jockey? | 18:55 |
| yofel | trijntje: read the link in the topic, there is no working nvidia driver currently (NOWHERE!) | 18:57 |
| yofel | so you'll have to stick to nouveau | 18:57 |
| ytaj | crap... I rebooted the VM four times now, and the bug doesn't occur... | 18:58 |
| trijntje | I've read that link, but I dont know if what I'm getting is because of that | 18:59 |
| trijntje | thats why I asked | 18:59 |
| yofel | trijntje: hm... what does 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' in a terminal tell you? | 19:00 |
| trijntje | yofel, nothing to do | 19:01 |
| yofel | then I don't get the error either | 19:01 |
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| trijntje | oh well, ill just have to wait and see of some future update fixes it | 19:04 |
| Q-FUNK | am I dreaming this or it seems that libwebkitgtk-1.0-common has broken dependency relationships with its prececessor libwebkit-1.0-common? | 19:23 |
| Gumby | without nvidia my narwhal is natty | 20:44 |
| derspankster | I cannot get vb 4.0 guest additions to install in natty. Keep getting headers not found message. | 21:03 |
| pace_t_zulu | anyone else noticing that natty alpha 2 is quite bad in virtualbox? | 21:24 |
| derspankster | Agreed on the alpha 2, cannot install guest additions' | 21:27 |
| fisch246 | anyone know of a way to get unity to be more stable? | 21:28 |
| fisch246 | as in a certain program that isn't working that i could just turn off for the time being | 21:28 |
| derspankster | I am unable to run unity at all | 21:30 |
| fisch246 | whoa... pigdin is having issues it seems... | 21:30 |
| fisch246 | at the top it shows a different name for the room i'm in | 21:31 |
| fisch246 | anyway... | 21:31 |
| fisch246 | i was able to previously run unity | 21:31 |
| derspankster | I was able as well sometime last week | 21:33 |
| fisch246 | which is odd cause the live CD worked perfectly | 21:34 |
| derspankster | I installed alpha 2 in vb4 today - never tried the live CD | 21:35 |
| fisch246 | so i'm wondering if there's like a program that conflicts with unity after install... | 21:36 |
| fisch246 | doesn't really matter to me as i'm not really testing unity | 21:36 |
| derspankster | I can't install vbox additions, that's the issue. | 21:36 |
| fisch246 | probably because it isn't stable | 21:37 |
| fisch246 | vbox doesn't support an OS until about a week or so after stable release | 21:37 |
| derspankster | I get a message saying the running kernel headers cannot be found and guest additions fails. | 21:37 |
| fisch246 | yea because it's not used to the kernal | 21:38 |
| fisch246 | natty uses an unstable kernal | 21:38 |
| fisch246 | ahem... | 21:38 |
| fisch246 | the alpha does | 21:38 |
| fisch246 | btw the time natty goes stable, so will the kernal | 21:38 |
| derspankster | I had guest additions installed in alpha 1 and unity ran. Then, an update wiped that out. | 21:39 |
| fisch246 | i wouldn't suggest "checking out" an OS until it goes onto beta | 21:39 |
| fisch246 | alpha is really only for testing | 21:39 |
| derspankster | it's not a big deal, I run a lot of V machines | 21:40 |
| fisch246 | yea so do i | 21:40 |
| fisch246 | but natty works best as a hard install | 21:40 |
| fisch246 | because it is currently very unstable | 21:40 |
| derspankster | my initial feelings about unity are not good. But, would like to play some more | 21:41 |
| fisch246 | like i said... | 21:41 |
| fisch246 | probably wait till beta | 21:41 |
| fisch246 | unity will be stable and implemented by that time... | 21:42 |
| derspankster | actually, it was pretty stable last week in alpha 1 | 21:42 |
| derspankster | but, things are constantly evolving | 21:43 |
| fisch246 | yup | 21:43 |
| fisch246 | one of these days i'll be an official ubuntu software dev | 21:43 |
| derspankster | good for you. Not for me though. | 21:44 |
| fisch246 | i'm currently writing an entire game in python, and trying to get a blog up | 21:44 |
| fisch246 | and by blog, i don't mean like a thing about the day | 21:45 |
| fisch246 | it'll be a news agency | 21:45 |
| fisch246 | for the world of open source | 21:46 |
| fisch246 | and a part non-profit organization | 21:46 |
| rww | !ot | 21:46 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. | 21:46 |
| jeffwheeler | I'm a bit confused about what of GNOME 3 natty is adopting. Are we getting the new control center, etc. (e.g. the stuff in the gnome3-team/gnome3 PPA), or are we sticking with the current versions for now? | 21:47 |
| jeffwheeler | This is the PPA I'm talking about: https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 | 21:47 |
| rww | jeffwheeler: As far as I'm aware, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html is an accurate summary of Ubuntu's GNOME 3 status. | 21:51 |
| jeffwheeler | (Also, you might want to update the channel title.) | 21:51 |
| jeffwheeler | rww: will read that now; thanks | 21:51 |
| jeffwheeler | (. . . for alpha 2, I mean.) | 21:51 |
| rww | (yeah, I'm about to go find someone to get it fixed) | 21:51 |
| === gpc changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Natty Narwhal 11.04 | Milestones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu | Alpha 2 Released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2 | New X.org stack uploaded, known issues: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html | ||
| === gpc changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Natty Narwhal 11.04 | Milestones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu | Alpha 1 Released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1 | New X.org stack uploaded, known issues: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html | ||
| gpc | /lart jeffwheeler for making me lie | 22:02 |
| fisch246 | ha | 22:04 |
| fisch246 | i just saw the "ot" message | 22:04 |
| derspankster | yeah, there's so much traffic in here | 22:05 |
| fisch246 | that sarcasm? | 22:05 |
| derspankster | could be | 22:06 |
| yofel | it is offtopic though, the policy on that is pretty strict in #ubuntu-* | 22:07 |
| derspankster | my original question dealt with VB guest editions and alpha 2 | 22:11 |
| derspankster | additions not editions | 22:13 |
| fisch246 | yea but i went on about my blog | 22:13 |
| fisch246 | that has nothing to do with natty | 22:14 |
| fisch246 | with linux, but not natty | 22:14 |
| fisch246 | however the python game did | 22:14 |
| fisch246 | as that is going to be shipped to natty hopefully | 22:14 |
| fisch246 | but it's still offtopic cause it's not support... | 22:14 |
| fisch246 | but i don't see any natty off topic rooms around anywhere :P | 22:15 |
| rww | #ubuntu-offtopic | 22:16 |
| fisch246 | offtopic+1 | 22:16 |
| fisch246 | that's what they need | 22:16 |
| rww | no they don't | 22:16 |
| fisch246 | ha... | 22:18 |
| derspankster | I'll try some other resources. adios | 22:18 |
| fisch246 | it's a room now :P | 22:18 |
| Vegar | What filesystem will be the default in natty? | 22:18 |
| TheAsp | Is there anything like snapshot.debian.org for Ubuntu? | 22:24 |
| gpc | !daily | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 22:24 |
| TheAsp | I'm looking for the xorg packages from about 2 weeks ago | 22:25 |
| === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Natty Narwhal 11.04 | Milestones: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | Maverick/10.10 support in #ubuntu | Alpha 2 Released: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2 | New X.org stack uploaded, known issues: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032378.html | ||
| fisch246 | well i guess it won't be a room... | 22:36 |
| fisch246 | suddenly my server won't connect to set in for a bot >.< | 22:36 |
| rww | is for the best. random OT channels in the ubuntu namespace tend to get closed. | 22:38 |
| TheAsp | Anyone have the natty alpha1 alternate cd? | 22:44 |
| TheAsp | woot, nevermind | 22:45 |
| Gumby | is an alpha2 install much different than a fully up to date alpha1 install? | 23:17 |
| rww | Alpha releases are just snapshots of the repositories. If you're applying updates, they should be identical. | 23:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | anyone have any ideas regarding the linux headers issue with virtualbox guest additions for natty and vbox4 | 23:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | Gumby: should be identical | 23:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | Gumby: excluding any modifications you've made | 23:18 |
| pace_t_zulu | to your existing installation | 23:18 |
| Gumby | I see | 23:19 |
| Gumby | havent had a lot of success doing any type of update as of yet. But that's to be expected I assume | 23:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | Gumby: one difference will be the indicated original source media | 23:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | yours will say alpha 1 | 23:19 |
| pace_t_zulu | an alpha 2 fresh install will say alpha 2 | 23:20 |
| Gumby | well, we cant have that now can we. hehe | 23:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | Gumby: yea, major upheaval due to the transition to unity | 23:20 |
| pace_t_zulu | it's been a bit of a bumpy road | 23:20 |
| Gumby | I expected as much. wanted to check it out but I cant get display drivers working properly and from what I understand the nvidia drivers dont work with the latest Xorg | 23:21 |
| pace_t_zulu | !vbox | 23:24 |
| ubottu | virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox | 23:24 |
| pace_t_zulu | !free | 23:26 |
| ubottu | freedom is important. Ubuntu is as free as we can make it, which means mostly free software. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/licensing | 23:26 |
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